hokkien in singapore

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 01:45

  Originally posted by Fantagf:

  
  How do I know it is your 19th post?   lei chay!

  link for you:

  http://www.sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/356602#post_9023829

  :-)

• Chew Bakar

  9 Jun 09, 01:46

  Originally posted by Chew Bakar:

  

   

   

  

  The Vietnamese friend told me that and he show me these two plagues. I get what he mean.

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 01:47

  Originally posted by Chew Bakar:

  

   

   

  

  still dun get it

  wat does "望海�" and "望江�" have got to do with Vietnam and Hainan?

• Fantagf

  9 Jun 09, 01:48

  Originally posted by Bangulzai:

  link for you:

  http://www.sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/356602#post_9023829

  :-)

  
  Thanks

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 01:49

  Originally posted by Fantagf:

  
  Thanks

  next time u hear hainanese and hokkien, try to spend a little effort hearing their similarity

• Chew Bakar

  9 Jun 09, 01:52

  Originally posted by Bangulzai:

  still dun get it

  wat does "望海�" and "望江�" have got to do with Vietnam and Hainan?

  望江 (bong kang) in Hainanese is stupid; waiting for the enemy to whack you from the north. 望海 is the escape route through the sea. These pics were taken in Vietnam when my Vietnamese friend from Danang explained.

• Fantagf

  9 Jun 09, 01:52

  Originally posted by Bangulzai:

  next time u hear hainanese and hokkien, try to spend a little effort hearing their similarity

  
  I know jiak png in Hainanese is jiak pui.  

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 01:54

  Originally posted by Fantagf:

  
  I know jiak png in Hainanese is jiak pui.  

  hehe that's similarity

  if you happen to hear another type of Hokkien (漳州 variety), it is also "jiak pui" with the "pui" nasalized.  it is even closer to Hainanese

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 01:56

  Originally posted by Chew Bakar:

  望江 (bong kang) in Hainanese is stupid; waiting for the enemy to whack you from the north. 望海 is the escape route through the sea. These pics were taken in Vietnam when my Vietnamese friend from Danang explained.

  your this Vietnamese friend know what is the meaning of "Bong Kang"? i can say so clever of her

• Chew Bakar

  9 Jun 09, 01:57

  Originally posted by Bangulzai:

  hehe that's similarity

  if you happen to hear another type of Hokkien (漳州 variety), it is also "jiak pui" with the "pui" nasalized.  it is even closer to Hainanese

  In fact Chiao An pronuciation also very close to Hainanese.

• Fantagf

  9 Jun 09, 01:57

  Originally posted by Bangulzai:

  hehe that's similarity

  if you happen to hear another type of Hokkien (漳州 variety), it is also "jiak pui" with the "pui" nasalized.  it is even closer to Hainanese

  
  putting hainanese aside, hokkien alone has different types.     1 day can be called jeat zit or jeat kang.   

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 01:58

  Originally posted by Chew Bakar:

  In fact Chiao An pronuciation also very close to Hainanese.

  that's right. è¯�安 variety is æ¼³å·ž variety

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 02:00

  Originally posted by Fantagf:

  
  putting hainanese aside, hokkien alone has different types.     1 day can be called jeat zit or jeat kang.   

  yes yes.  "jeat zit (蜀日)" and "jeat kang (蜀工)" is used interchangeably in all varieties of hokkien

• Chew Bakar

  9 Jun 09, 02:03

  Originally posted by Bangulzai:

  your this Vietnamese friend know what is the meaning of "Bong Kang"? i can say so clever of her

  Just coincidence when I was visiting him in Danang and we went to this Marble Mountain and he explained that the original of the Vietnamese around Central Vietnam were the original inhabitants of Hainan; when the Chinese invaded they fled by sea there.That why they call themselves Annam. (sorry no Chinese text).

  Not sure how true it is but sure give me a good laugh.

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 02:06

  Originally posted by Chew Bakar:

  Just coincidence when I was visiting him in Danang and we went to this Marble Mountain and he explained that the original of the Vietnamese around Central Vietnam were the original inhabitants of Hainan; when the Chinese invaded they fled by sea there.That why they call themselves Annam. (sorry no Chinese text).

  Not sure how true it is but sure give me a good laugh.

  thanks. enlightening. i will be encouraged to check it out when time comes

• Chew Bakar

  9 Jun 09, 02:14

  Originally posted by Bangulzai:

  thanks. enlightening. i will be encouraged to check it out when time comes

  In fact some Vietnamese phrases are rather close to Hokkien if you listen carefully.

• Bangulzai

  9 Jun 09, 02:20

  Originally posted by Chew Bakar:

  In fact some Vietnamese phrases are rather close to Hokkien if you listen carefully.

  Vietnamese phrases (only the Sino-Viet vocab) can be close to Hokkien, Cantonese, Hakka or any other dialects

  from my Vietnamese dictionary:

  (Viet) sinh hoat = life = (Hok) sing huat

  (Viet) phong tuc = customs = (Can) fung tsuk

  (Viet) khau vi = taste = (Hak) kheu vi

  (Viet) chi huy = command = (Man) zhi hui

• SimL

  11 Jun 09, 00:48

  Hello everyone,

   

  I'm a Hokkien enthusiast and I'm new here. I found this forum topic while doing my monthly Google of "Hokkien -mee -noodles etc". I'm so happy to see that there is an interest in Hokkien in a segment of the Singaporean population. As you all probably know, up to the 70's, Hokkien was the lingua franca among Chinese in Singapore, and I've always been so sad that it no longer plays that role there today. It still seems to be alive and well in Penang, but the form spoken there is of course slightly different.

   

  Bangulzai, you seem to be very knowledgeable about Hokkien, and willing to devote energy to helping others learn about it. Great!

   

  Regards,

  SimL

• Teoand

  2 Jul 09, 00:45

  I am very well verse in Hainanese. I can teach Hainanese from beginner to advance level. Beginner is for normal conversation. The advance level is for translation from Mandarin to old folks.

• Bangulzai

  2 Jul 09, 23:36

  Originally posted by Teoand:

  I am very well verse in Hainanese. I can teach Hainanese from beginner to advance level. Beginner is for normal conversation. The advance level is for translation from Mandarin to old folks.

  welcome Teoand

  let's discuss some Hainanese here in the future !

• Chew Bakar

  2 Jul 09, 23:57

  Originally posted by Teoand:

  I am very well verse in Hainanese. I can teach Hainanese from beginner to advance level. Beginner is for normal conversation. The advance level is for translation from Mandarin to old folks.

  Can't speak much.

• Koko51

  11 Jul 09, 10:58

  Hi

  I'm new here and have been looking for hokkien pronuciation.  How do you pronounce 何凯哲 (simplified chinese) in hokkien.  I tried looking at the online dictionary but still can't figure out the pronuciation.  My husband is hokkien but I'm not.  Got this from the link below:

  http://solution.cs.ucla.edu/~jinbo/dzl/

   

  何

  hou2 姓。    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 勂呺和哬嗥嚎椃毫河渮ç�†ç�‹ç±‡è�·è��號譹豪魺   ho2 ã€�例】 何必｜如何〔方〕何用〈何必〉    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 乎和咼å•�喖姀媩弧柇楜澕ç‹�猢瓠瓳盉禾箶糊胡è�‚葫衚訸豪é†�鉌é�¸é¤¬é¬�魱鰗鶘鶦   hua2 ã€�例】 〔方〕何å�œã€ˆä½•å¿…，多用於戲曲〉    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 樺è�¯é‹˜é�µé©Šé·¨   ua2 ã€�例】 〔方〕無奈何

  凯〔凱〕

  kai3    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 剴å¡�嵦愷暟楷輆é�‡éŽ§é¢½

  哲	diat7    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 悊蜇

  I'm confused.  Can someone help?

   

• Bangulzai

  11 Jul 09, 14:25

  Originally posted by Koko51:

  Hi

  I'm new here and have been looking for hokkien pronuciation.  How do you pronounce 何凯哲 (simplified chinese) in hokkien.  I tried looking at the online dictionary but still can't figure out the pronuciation.  My husband is hokkien but I'm not.  Got this from the link below:

  http://solution.cs.ucla.edu/~jinbo/dzl/

   

  何   hou² 姓。    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 勂呺和哬嗥嚎椃毫河渮ç�†ç�‹ç±‡è�·è��號譹豪魺   ho² ã€�例】 何必｜如何〔方〕何用〈何必〉    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 乎和咼å•�喖姀媩弧柇楜澕ç‹�猢瓠瓳盉禾箶糊胡è�‚葫衚訸豪é†�鉌é�¸é¤¬é¬�魱鰗鶘鶦   hua² ã€�例】 〔方〕何å�œã€ˆä½•å¿…，多用於戲曲〉    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 樺è�¯é‹˜é�µé©Šé·¨   ua² ã€�例】 〔方〕無奈何 凯〔凱〕   kai³    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 剴å¡�嵦愷暟楷輆é�‡éŽ§é¢½ 哲   diat⁷    ã€�å�ŒéŸ³å­—】 悊蜇

  I'm confused.  Can someone help?

   

  Hi Koko51 !

  I've seen your quoted online dictionary is based on 泉州's variety of pronunciation

  Basically in Singapore the 3 types of varieties are 泉州's type, 厦门's type, and 漳州's type

  For names, there is a rule in the 闽� (Hokkien, Teochew) speaking areas, which surnames is usually in Vernacular pronunciation (unless the literay pronunciation is fully naturalized in surname usage), while given names is always in Literary pronunciation if there is any (with exceptions to the rule)

  Example:  å­™ä¸­å±± (to be pronounced in the 厦门 variety / transcribed by me in common singaporean orthography)
  å­™ Vernacular Pronunciation: Sng , Literary Pronunciation: Sun
  中 Vernacular Pronunciation: (Nil) , Literary Pronunciation: Tiong
  å±± Vernacular Pronunciation: Suah , Literary Pronunciation: San

  Therefore, his name would be read as Sng Tiong San, and not Sun Tiong San, and not Sng Tiong Suah, and not Sun Tiong Suah.

  Therefore, ä½•å‡¯å“² in 厦门's Hokkien variety is presented below (written in common Singaporean orthography):
  何 Vernacular Pronunciation: Wa , Literary Pronunciation: Ho (naturalized in surname usage)
  凯 Vernacular Pronunciation: (Nil), Literary Pronunciation: Khai / Khye
  哲 Vernacular Pronunciation: (Nil), Literary Pronunciation: Tiat / Tiet

  Therefore, ä½•å‡¯å“² can be written as Ho Khai Tiat, or Ho Khye Tiat, or Ho Khai Tiet, or Ho Khye Tiet.

  What you have plucked out from the website is exactly similar to what I have pointed out to you, except their website uses k in place of my kh, and d in place of my t.

• dadeadman1337

  11 Jul 09, 17:40

  How do you say traitor and terrorist in hokkien?

• Bangulzai

  12 Jul 09, 00:14

  Originally posted by dadeadman1337:

  How do you say traitor and terrorist in hokkien?

  hello dadeadman1337

  which one do you want?

  traitor
  (general) å�›å¾’ puan 21 tÉ” 24 / or / p'uan 21 tÉ” 24
  (one who is treacherous) 奸贼 kan 22 ts'at 4
  (traitor to country) �国贼 bue 21 kɔk 4 ts'at 4
  (treacherous minister) 奸臣 kan 22 sin 24

  terrorist
  �怖分� k'iɔŋ 24 pɔ 53 hun 21 tsu 53