MOVING TO AUSTRALIA NEED SOME ADVICE
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I agree with RedDust...in sg we work like crazy just to be able to afford minimum living. just thinking of doing this until 60+...got me really afraid...actually its not more about ourselve but more about our children. just thinking about them struggling like us now..working non stop just to make ends meet....do i want this life for them?
Life in sg is very predictable. since its so well controlled.
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redDust said:
the biggest culprit, the gahmen themselves.
the question is, do you remove a well-intended policy because of a few bad apples or do you manage it?
redDust,
you took the words right out of my mouth.
People, you've got to think this way, every country, even a third world country or a fourth world country like Africa can provide a good life, status and privileges to anyone with money.
Every country has its 'metro' city area with at least one or a few big glitzy buildings and fine dining restaurants for the elites, aristocrats and rich farts.
What separates a country from another country, and what separates the West from the East currently, despite the rapid modernization in Asia, is that the West will take care their poorer and middle-classes.
A middle-income fellow with a family can still live in a house, earn a decent wage, protected by his union (not some sham union) and afford certain luxuries in life. He is protected by the Government with their welfare system.
No matter how you put it, the poorer to middle class in Australia (as an example) still lives a far better standard of living than a poor to middle class Singaporean who has to work like a dog in the dog eat dog system with little to no help from the Government, with occasionally scornful comments like "Don't expect anything from the Government" (ok then, why should they expect taxes from the people if they don't want the people to 'expect' anything from them? Wtf, that's what taxes pay for!).
Yes, there are abusers. But do you think that a strict policied country like Singapore doesn't have its abusers? Of course! Does that mean whatever measly system Singapore has in place currently to support the disadvantaged and poor should be cast away just because of a bunch of exploitive bums? No! Of course not!
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Hi,
I am seriously considering to move Downunder.
I've got 3kids aged 11,9 and 7.
Can anyone advise me how do I go about and how much is the initial cost of moving to Australia. (inc immigration, visa etc etc)
thanks
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Zecyan88,
If you are willing to spend sometime on it, you can do the application yourself and save the agents fees. I think app fee now is around $2K? If you are thinking of moving to anywhere else other than SA, you might find it hard as places like VIC, NSW etc are considered "closed".
To ship a container down, you should check around, there are varying prices.
Next question is public or private school. Big difference in school fees, esp with 3.
What kind of life do you want to live here? Job prospects? Will your significant other be working as well?
Initially get to the aus immigration website, look for the class of visa that you will be applying for. Are you skilled? Etc... have a good read through the requirements which are all no the net for you to find if you spend sometime. Then think through a strategy.
Initial cost of moving can be a lot or a little, depends. What do you intend to do in terms of housing? How much do you want to spend? Where do you want to live?
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Breyton,
What do you mean Vic and other states are 'closed'? As long as a person get PR, there is no restriction on where he could live in Australia. Unless you are referring to the Regional Skilled visas, then perhaps the other states are no longer sponsoring new applications?
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Originally posted by Zecyan88:
Can anyone advise me how do I go about and how much is the initial cost of moving to Australia. (inc immigration, visa etc etc)
thanks
Yes Migration is having a seminar this Saturday if you would like to find out more about your elibility and agent fees. I don't know how much the fees are yet, but I'll find out on Saturday. Give them a call to find out more. I have called various agents and they seem to be rthe friendliest.
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there is a shortage of labour here in AUS. But somehow the new PR rules were aimed at those who are studying and have a high level of English language who will benefit the most.
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Last year, there was talk that the criteria for application for PR in Australia will be tightened. That then resulted in a huge increase in the no. of applications submitted as people tried to beat the deadline. In fact, the Dept of Immigration received three times the number of applications they usually received over that period of time, and as a result, right now, every single application is backlogged.
As of last month, they were still processing applications sent in on November 2007. Even if you are in a preferred profession where priority is given to you, as long as your application is not sponsored by your Employer, ie. you have chosen to apply as an independant applicant, you have to join in the merry queue. If you are not in the preferred profession, or if your eligibility score is low, there's no telling when they will process your application.
The rental situation in Victoria is pretty tight at the moment. I have heard complaints from colleagues re. steep increases in rental, and the difficulties they face getting rental property because the turnout of people wanting to rent the same place as you is usually pretty large. A Singaporean friend who recently moved here said that there were at least 30 people who turned up to look at a South Yarra apartment. Because it is the landlord's market now, if you are not gainfully employed, you might find it tough to find a place to rent because the landlords are quite fussy now and they can select their tenants.
I got to know a lot of Singaporeans who have moved here and typically, they all reported feeling extremely homesick and depressed for the first 12-18 months. And now that I've helped other Singaporean friends settle in, we all realise that Singapore has its virtues afterall and there are things you will struggle to accept initially. Things like the high costs of services, the inefficient services, the lousy infrastructure, racial prejudice, how expensive it is to eat out, how early shops close here, etc will be tough to get used to. However, you will also realise that there are perks too, like a better working environment, union backing, higher wages, fantastic bargains for certain items, and the freedom to be whoever you like and do whatever you like!
Basically, you learn to become more adaptable after you get over the initial shock and homesickness. I love to speak to Aussies from all walks of life from various native countries and the stories of struggling to settle in initially is quite similar no matter which country we come from. Migrants from countries like Afghanistan, Nigeria, Romania, Russia, etc will feel that it is a godsend to be here because their conditions back home can be pretty deplorable. However, Singaporeans have it good, although very few are appreciative, and it was only after coming here that I learnt to realise Singapore's merits.
In any case, if you're coming over with your family, you have to do your groundwork and research thoroughly. Do not set your expectations too high, and give yourselves a gentle transition period. And when the going gets tough, just remember that in time, you will settle in and adapt.
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Originally posted by Zecyan88:
Hi,
I am seriously considering to move Downunder.
I've got 3kids aged 11,9 and 7.
Can anyone advise me how do I go about and how much is the initial cost of moving to Australia. (inc immigration, visa etc etc)
thanks
i think there is also a age limit for the primary applicants if you don't have a ton of money...i am not too sure, you need to check.
as for place of settlement, it is actually pretty dumb. you can apply via south australia, but nothing can stop you from settling in melbourne.
as for diy or agent, it is up to you. if you are not too familiar, it's better to spend some money to get it sorted for you. my fees then was a$2.5k, i think. i got an attorney to help me. there are a few incidentals along the way, but it is only a few hundred bucks. i think, all in all, you need not spend more than s$5k for it. but if you are comfortable diy, it's probably better.
you should just google the aus immi site. all the infos are there.
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Hey Guys!
Thanks for all the replies.
1. There are 5 ppls in the family and another one on the way.
The fee $2.5k, for 1 pax or for all?
2. Kids going to public school for sure unless I've got truck loads of money..lolz
3. We planned to rent a place for a year or two before getting our own house.
4. I am in the IT industry and plan to look out for for something similar as to what I've been doing here for the last 17years.
5. Preferred destination = Perth / Brisbane.
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Originally posted by Zecyan88:
Hey Guys!
Thanks for all the replies.
1. There are 5 ppls in the family and another one on the way.
The fee $2.5k, for 1 pax or for all?
2. Kids going to public school for sure unless I've got truck loads of money..lolz
3. We planned to rent a place for a year or two before getting our own house.
4. I am in the IT industry and plan to look out for for something similar as to what I've been doing here for the last 17years.
5. Preferred destination = Perth / Brisbane.
fees is for all.
good luck!
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my aunt married to an aussie man... Enjoy her good life now...
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If i'm not wrong there is some agency offering such overseas working programme....However you are require to pay so commission... It better to secure a job in aussie first before you leave there.. The are case of singaporeans returning as they couldn't get a job.... It will be an advantage if your profession those in high demand in aussie.. Just to name a few, nurse, accountant, chef, etc..
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Originally posted by soulwinner:
If i'm not wrong there is some agency offering such overseas working programme....However you are require to pay so commission... It better to secure a job in aussie first before you leave there.. The are case of singaporeans returning as they couldn't get a job.... It will be an advantage if your profession those in high demand in aussie.. Just to name a few, nurse, accountant, chef, etc..
What are the names of the agencies you are referring to? I have combed the web but have yet to find any. Those that I have found so far require you to have a valid working visa.
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Rhonda wrote: In fact, the Dept of Immigration received three times the number of applications they usually received over that period of time, and as a result, right now, every single application is backlogged.
lolz no wonder my application took almost 2yrs..jeez
btw age limit is 40yo where your chances are reduced..unless u got a truck load of money like u said :D
Cost of using a migration agency for me is almost 5k++ (kindaof lost count
) for a family of 4. you may want to take your guage from there. (i use Allan Hall Migration, but i don't suggest you using it...service is quite bad..staff alway resigning).You can try DIY. much cheaper. All you need to do is download all the forms on the Auz mit site . fill them up and bring all the supporting docs..
Perth new suburb cost 450k for a nice landed place..350m2 i think...just visited a friend...am drooling at the house keke. (but i find perth boring...)..i still like NSW.
So doing my best to research chatswood area. (anyone around there?)
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Originally posted by Rhonda:
Last year, there was talk that the criteria for application for PR in Australia will be tightened. That then resulted in a huge increase in the no. of applications submitted as people tried to beat the deadline. In fact, the Dept of Immigration received three times the number of applications they usually received over that period of time, and as a result, right now, every single application is backlogged.
As of last month, they were still processing applications sent in on November 2007. Even if you are in a preferred profession where priority is given to you, as long as your application is not sponsored by your Employer, ie. you have chosen to apply as an independant applicant, you have to join in the merry queue. If you are not in the preferred profession, or if your eligibility score is low, there's no telling when they will process your application.
The rental situation in Victoria is pretty tight at the moment. I have heard complaints from colleagues re. steep increases in rental, and the difficulties they face getting rental property because the turnout of people wanting to rent the same place as you is usually pretty large. A Singaporean friend who recently moved here said that there were at least 30 people who turned up to look at a South Yarra apartment. Because it is the landlord's market now, if you are not gainfully employed, you might find it tough to find a place to rent because the landlords are quite fussy now and they can select their tenants.
I got to know a lot of Singaporeans who have moved here and typically, they all reported feeling extremely homesick and depressed for the first 12-18 months. And now that I've helped other Singaporean friends settle in, we all realise that Singapore has its virtues afterall and there are things you will struggle to accept initially. Things like the high costs of services, the inefficient services, the lousy infrastructure, racial prejudice, how expensive it is to eat out, how early shops close here, etc will be tough to get used to. However, you will also realise that there are perks too, like a better working environment, union backing, higher wages, fantastic bargains for certain items, and the freedom to be whoever you like and do whatever you like!
Basically, you learn to become more adaptable after you get over the initial shock and homesickness. I love to speak to Aussies from all walks of life from various native countries and the stories of struggling to settle in initially is quite similar no matter which country we come from. Migrants from countries like Afghanistan, Nigeria, Romania, Russia, etc will feel that it is a godsend to be here because their conditions back home can be pretty deplorable. However, Singaporeans have it good, although very few are appreciative, and it was only after coming here that I learnt to realise Singapore's merits.
In any case, if you're coming over with your family, you have to do your groundwork and research thoroughly. Do not set your expectations too high, and give yourselves a gentle transition period. And when the going gets tough, just remember that in time, you will settle in and adapt.
I totally agree with u on this :)
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Pl dunt take the view that moon looks better in other country.
When u have difficulty here,u will assume u will find a heaven in
other countries.But how true is the info?
Dunt trust me neither?
i strongly suggest u guys stay in your dream country at least
2 weeks and travel to poor locations or similiar class
of location u can afford to live.Better stay in that location for
few nights to experience the real taste of lifes there.
Read various newspaper ,at least online,for 6 months DAILY
to know the place better.Then u decide.Dunt just listen.
U have to walk in the field to feel and find the truths,
the general whole picture.
I am labelled as anti--Oz,to be honest with u.
U have to interpret the following info.
In any country,people come and go.It is normal.
SG claims about 1,000 pple migrate.Every migrant
need Certificate of No Criminal Records,right?
There are many go to Oz,but many leave too.Why?
u can tell me Oz is a heaven,so many migrating there.I agree.
But offical records show many leaving too.
If u calculate the %,Oz outgoing population is higher than SG.
Oz population is about 6 times of SG.1000 x 6 is 6000.
But there are some 50,000 leaving in 2001/2002.
The oversea born and born locally share almost equal half.
I dunt know joining Oz a year.
Why do they leaving?Check it out ,mate!!
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RN/2003-04/04rn54.htm
The info is out dated.Pl get the updated info n share here.
Australia is commonly categorised as a country of immigration, but it has also become a country of significant emigration.
Figure 1. Permanent departures of Australia-born and overseas-born persons from Australia, 195960 to 2002-03--below
Figure 2. Australian resident long-term departures from Australia, 195960 to 200203
(lion note:I think this refer to citizens and PR there.Pl check it out)
But at the end of the day, U ARE THE DECISION MAKER,together
WITH YOUR SPOUSE OR PARTNERS.But not friends or relatives,
or forumers here they decide for u.
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http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-134309448.html
In 2006/07,180,000 in.
70,000 out!! Why 70,000 out?check it out,mate!!
Fed: Record number of Australians leaving Australia permanently
AAP General News (Australia)
01-31-2007
Fed: Record number of Australians leaving Australia permanently
A government report shows more people left Australia permanently in 2005-06 than ever before.
The report POPULATION FLOWS: IMMIGRATION ASPECTS DOCUMENT .. shows almost 180 thousand people permanently settled in Australia in 2005-06 .. but almost 70 thousand people permanently left the country.
People born in Aus... -
Australian leaving Australia is 11 times higher in % than SG!!
Singapore citizens leaving Permanently
1000/3,300,000=303 per 1 million citizen population of 3.3 million.Pl note SG total population 4.6 m, inclusive of 3.3 million of citizens ,300,000 PR and 1 million foreigners,ie neither citizen nor PR.
Australians leaving Australia
70,000/20,000,000=3,500 per 1 million of total population.I dunt know
the citizen population.The actual figure shall be higher than 3500
if only citizen population is used.Pl read this posting for sources.
Conclusion:Australian leaving Oz is 10.6 time higher than SG citizen leaving SG.
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Lionnoisy,
It is not sound to compare the two statistics because
1. we do not know how 'permanent departure from Australia' is classified (left more than 3, , or 5 or 10 years?),
2. given that Australia permits multiple citizenships, Australians are therefore more likely to take on citizenship of another country,
3. we know that most Singaporeans who migrated permanently do not give up their citizenship.
Between 70,000 - 90,000 Singapore residents are away from the island-state for more than 12 months according to a report in Feb 08 in the ST. Of course not all of these 70,000 would have migrated, as many would just be working overseas. Even if we take half of this number, i.e. 35,000, compared to the approx 30,000 Australia-born residents who 'departed permanently', the rate of migration out of Singapore is way higher than Australia!!
However, I agree that migration is a personal decision. Anyone thinking of doing so should weigh the pros and cons himself, decide for himself what he wants in his life, and what he is willing to forgo in Singapore for what he could potentially get in a new country. Australia is not perfect. You gain some, you definitely lose some. It is just a matter of personal preference. It is not about cheaper cars and bigger house (for the same price in Singapore) in Australia (an argument often bandied about). It is a total change in lifestyle.
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Hi forummers, sorry, could be a dumb question to some of you all... But will i still get to stay over in Aus, say if i start a small business of my own in there?
Also, say if i start a biz that caters to the skills that they fall short of, will it be good?
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rokprince,
The 457ie visa is stopped in 2003, meaning you cannot start a biz then apply for PR.(its a loop hole they covered)
Now, you have to apply for a PR visa but under biz skill or investor class before you setup shop. (there are many ways to get a Aus PR, just that you use money investment as the carrot for them to approve it) others with will have to use skill or dependent as a reason etc.
You will have a higher chance of getting approval. provided you meet their needs.
Which gov don't need incoming money...
See the following link for more info.
http://www.australia-migration.com/page/Business_Visas/67
sorry, can't help much since i did not apply under business visa.
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Originally posted by 2oz:
rokprince,
The 457ie visa is stopped in 2003, meaning you cannot start a biz then apply for PR.(its a loop hole they covered)
Now, you have to apply for a PR visa but under biz skill or investor class before you setup shop. (there are many ways to get a Aus PR, just that you use money investment as the carrot for them to approve it) others with will have to use skill or dependent as a reason etc.
You will have a higher chance of getting approval. provided you meet their needs.
Which gov don't need incoming money...
See the following link for more info.
http://www.australia-migration.com/page/Business_Visas/67
sorry, can't help much since i did not apply under business visa.
Hi 2oz, thanks alot
. Im sure i'll figure it out somehow. Seriously need to get things up and going before crazy things happen in this island..... haiz. -
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Hey Guys!
Thanks for all the replies.
1. There are 5 ppls in the family and another one on the way.
The fee $2.5k, for 1 pax or for all?
2. Kids going to public school for sure unless I've got truck loads of money..lolz
3. We planned to rent a place for a year or two before getting our own house.
4. I am in the IT industry and plan to look out for for something similar as to what I've been doing here for the last 17years.
5. Preferred destination = Perth / Brisbane."
im here in brisbane. new migrant life is not easy. just be well prepare for it mentally.
for more discussion, u can visit http://forums.delphiforums.com/quitters
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CONGRATZ ON MIGRATING!!!
WOOHOOO!!!!