at the end of the day it is the people that make it difficult. So it seriously takes 2 hands to clap.
These days it is difficult to get jobs anywhere. start your own little biz.
Originally posted by maurizio13:
At least you could be sure of getting medical treatment with the high taxes you pay in Australia.The best part is, you still end up with higher disposable income after the high taxes in Australia as compared to Singapore.
The thing with the Singapore regime is, they use the profits they get from taxes, invest it in monopolies in Singapore, then when super normal profits is made, they keep it in the government coffers instead of using it to help her citizens.
And what do we get in Aus? They use our hard earned money to pay for vagrants and lazy no do gooders who think it is their god given right that the government provide them with welfare. The current affair shows here have done so many stories on people like that who refuse to work because they scam the government and the system.
Don't be too sure about what medical treatment you get, you still need private health cover. Medicare does not take care of everything.
Do you think that the Australian government is any different from the PAP?
I am not so sure about higher disposable income... hmmm.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:at the end of the day it is the people that make it difficult. So it seriously takes 2 hands to clap.
These days it is difficult to get jobs anywhere. start your own little biz.
How your life goes is what you make of it.
Originally posted by Fatqueenlet:23/m looking for job in australia got sick and tired working in sg liao....tooo many foreigner worker liao salary wages pull down by those foreigner working china, india, filipino etc....employer will try any way to get rid of u if ya salary are too high....in sg like have to work like none stop employer expect u to work 12hour per day 7 day a week 365day per year 2 rotating shift like no life 1 and give u a fXXXd up increament like 20-40cent WTF.......NNBCCB........surf 2 year national service for wat waste of my time. now apply my 175 visa plan to move to australia.....bo bian this is life..all thx to LKU
do u have a PR here?
You might be able to get a job if you search sites like http://www.jobsdb.com.au or http://www.monster.com.au.
You can get a 457 working visa or if you are lucky/talented enough to secure a job with a good/willing company you can get them to sponsor a permanent visa for you. Life in Australia is good. Just remember that Asian hierachy and ettiquette does not apply there. They appreciate initiative and assertiveness.
Advice to threadstarter.
Find a wife of the nationality you wish to become.
Originally posted by Fatqueenlet:23/m looking for job in australia got sick and tired working in sg liao....tooo many foreigner worker liao salary wages pull down by those foreigner working china, india, filipino etc....employer will try any way to get rid of u if ya salary are too high....in sg like have to work like none stop employer expect u to work 12hour per day 7 day a week 365day per year 2 rotating shift like no life 1 and give u a fXXXd up increament like 20-40cent WTF.......NNBCCB........surf 2 year national service for wat waste of my time. now apply my 175 visa plan to move to australia.....bo bian this is life..all thx to LKU
Sorry I can't be contructive here....
So you plan to be the 'foreigner' there pulling wages down instead?!!! hahahh....
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
And what do we get in Aus? They use our hard earned money to pay for vagrants and lazy no do gooders who think it is their god given right that the government provide them with welfare. The current affair shows here have done so many stories on people like that who refuse to work because they scam the government and the system.
Don't be too sure about what medical treatment you get, you still need private health cover. Medicare does not take care of everything.Do you think that the Australian government is any different from the PAP?
I am not so sure about higher disposable income... hmmm.
Some of these vagrants and lazy no gooders get pensions, and heard some even go for cash in hand jobs.... how smart.
And what do we get in Aus? They use our hard earned money to pay for vagrants and lazy no do gooders who think it is their god given right that the government provide them with welfare. The current affair shows here have done so many stories on people like that who refuse to work because they scam the government and the system.
Don't be too sure about what medical treatment you get, you still need private health cover. Medicare does not take care of everything.Do you think that the Australian government is any different from the PAP?
I am not so sure about higher disposable income... hmmm.
I don't agree.
"Vagrants and lazy do-gooders" are part and parcel of every society. Just because a small bunch of idiotic dole-bludgers do take advantage of the welfare system doesn't mean that you should exclude the majority of people who do have proper jobs and pay taxes from the safety net the Government provides for the population.
I assume you have lived in Australia for a while, at least, enough to know that programs like 'A Current Affair' are akin to tabloids like 'The Sun' in UK and 'The New Paper' in Singapore. Just a bunch of overhyped claptrap by the Australian media - always known to blow things out of proportion.
About medical treatment by Medicare. Sure, it can be a big mess. It does seem like a mess right now with all the reports of badly managed hospitals and long waiting lists for medical care. But I think you're missing the point.
Australia provides free and greatly subsidised healthcare for the Aussie population. That is the point.
Here's a simple example. A country may consider prostitution illegal by law, but obviously prostitution still exists. This means that it is recognised by law that it is wrong. So no matter if Ah Hock feels horny and wants to bang a couple of chicks for $20 per head, but doesn't get caught, he is still liable to be arrested and tried under the law.
Just like in Australia. At least people who have been left out in the Medicare system can bring it up to the courts and the justice system because despite how they have been treated/went through they still can seek remedy for the lack of care/responsibility the system owes them.
In Singapore? Oh, you're "lucky" enough to have the Government bestow you with Medisave - you owe them not the other way around. 'Lucky' enough to be able to languish in a 'C' class ward with a drip (pay extra $2 for top up ah.) with 6 other terminally sick patients on 'controlled medication' (because the best and most effective are reserved for the full paying patients in air-conditioned 'A' class wards lucky/smart/rich enough to have private insurance or savings.
That's what happened to a friend's grandma. Died of breast cancer thanks to the questionable care administered by the doctors in her 'C' class ward. It was disgusting to say the least, the level and quality of care, accomodation and treatment she was given just because her family didn't have enough money to pay for full treatment and had to rely on the pathetic excuse of a Medisave the Government in Singapore provides.
About your comment about the Australian Government being like the PAP. Are you seriously kidding me?
At least we can vote for the guy man. In Singapore 'mysterious' things happen and poof, hey, here's your guy for the next 7 years or whensoever they decide one fine day to hold the election. (While sitting in their overstuffed sofas eating kaya roti the big guy decides, gee, I think its a good day to have the election after the 34268762 walkovers were successful)
We can complain about Australia because we love it and want to see positive change. But if we're just earning the wage here and living within the Australian system we reap benefits Singapore could never give us ever in a million years because they value their citizens/PRs and still b|tcing about it then maybe its time to seriously consider if Australia is the right place for us since Singapore is so 'great'.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
And what do we get in Aus? They use our hard earned money to pay for vagrants and lazy no do gooders who think it is their god given right that the government provide them with welfare. The current affair shows here have done so many stories on people like that who refuse to work because they scam the government and the system.
Don't be too sure about what medical treatment you get, you still need private health cover. Medicare does not take care of everything.Do you think that the Australian government is any different from the PAP?
I am not so sure about higher disposable income... hmmm.
Where are you now? Singapore or Australia?
I would think that with a democratic system, it is far more equitable than Singapore's P4P's authoritarianism.
While the government throws away our hard earned money into frivolous acquisition of over-priced companies overseas. The commoners are left with having to pay the price with high levels of inflation, taxes, fees, charges and fines.
Ever wonder why our wages are so depressed, while citizens from other equivalent GDP per capita economies (e.g. Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, etc) can better afford holidays overseas. Their average wages are at least 3-5 times of Singaporeans (e.g. waiters and retail assistant makes AUD 15 to AUD 25 per hour). Singaporeans can only contend with 3rd world standard of living in the future, given the government's policy on letting in more 3rd world workers to push down wages.
The explanation for low wages given by P4P was global competition, seems like competition only applies to Singapore ONLY. But not to countries such as Australia or New Zealand.
P4P lackeys here complain that some of these countries like Australia, New Zealand, etc have high tax structure. But given their wages, they still make more than the average Singaporeans and could afford more despite their high tax structure. Notwithstanding that they do not need to pay for healthcare and basic education.
***This comparison is based only on the after tax spending power of low wage earners of both countries. I do not think that we need to compare the after tax spending power of high income earners, because they are still extremely well off after taxes.***
Singapore:
Income per year: SG$12,000
Income Taxes: 0%
GST: 7%
Spending Power After GST: SG$11,160 [SG$12,000 x 93%]
Australia:
(waiter or retail staff based on 3 times earnings of Singaporean only, not 5 times which is the higher bound)
Income per year: AU$36,000
Income Taxes: up to AU$6,000 = AU$0; AU$6,001 to AU$25,000 = AU$2,850; AU$25,001 to AU$36,000 = AU$3,300
Australia Personal Tax Rates
Total Income Taxes: AU$6,150 [AU$ 0 + AU$ 2,850 + AU$ 3,300]
Income after Income Taxes: AU$29,850
GST: 10%
Spending Power After GST: AU$26,865 [AU$29,850 x 90%]
An average waiter in Australia will have a spending power of AU$26,865, while a Singaporeans waiter will have only SG$11,160. Why do you think when we go for holidays overseas, we can afford less than an equivalent GDP per capita country like Australia or New Zealand.
You do the maths and tell me who is actually better off after personal taxes and GST.
Singaporeans or Australians???
Though Australia might have a higher personal tax structure, but their average wages are 3 to 5 times of Singaporeans. Even after deducting high taxes and GST, they still do end up with more money in the pocket than an average Singaporean. Moreover, they have no need to pay for healthcare and basic education.
Australian Wages
Bartending/waiting tables: $15 - $25 per hour (casual)
Chef: $700 - $800 per week (full time)
Retail sales assistant: $15 - $25 per hour (casual)
Check out operators and cashiers: $500 - $700 per week (full time)
Building/labouring: $650 - $850 per week (full time)
Engineering: $800 - $1500 per week (full time)
Hairdressing: $530 - $650 per week (full time)
Secretarial/administration: $600 - $700 per week (full time)
Child care: $18 - $20 per hour (casual)
my initial dealing with frens and folks down under to prep my moving over leaves me with the impression that everything is more impartial and transparent there.
rent a house? don't matter who you talk to, the rates are more or less fixed as listed on the rent sites.
buy a piece of land? same thing.
even job wage for temps are regulated. not that i am going to be a receptionist or nurse when there, but their starting pay is A$17/hr and $27/h respectively. minimum wage is $12.50.
here, i just sold my car and even with the agreed price, the car salesman tries to fleece you with a few hundred dollars when you drive it down to their showroom to seal the deal. not once....i ended up just selling it and moved on from this unpleasant episode. rental? months ago, i have expatriate frens who, upon agreeing on a rental price of an apartment with the owner, only to have the deal renegaded hours later becos of another higher offer received. just last month, another indian colleague of mine who were told at the last moment that his rent will increase 25% from next month by his landlord even though his rent agreement is not up. he moved out in protest.
you may say that since i got my sight outta here, my lens is tainted. however, there will be tons that i will missed; my mates, food, sembawang park, etc. but the fact is my kids will probably grow up a better person than if they were to live here.
that much i am sure of....
you will make new friends there.
what about your parents here?
i am not mobile because my parents are not anglophone.
*sighs*
i admire you.
Originally posted by maurizio13:
you will make new friends there.
what about your parents here?
i am not mobile because my parents are not anglophone.
*sighs*
i admire you.
this is probably the toughest part; when we broke the news; they were supportive, though i could sense immediately my mum is sad. she's always been tough person outwardly but i could tell this time round. she is also selfless, so she sees this as positive overall. my dad is more practical.
i guess we'll just need to manage as we go.....
as someone mention, you need to get into profession that no aussie want to do. put it this way, if u r engineer, professional you could end mroe more difficult in getting a job than if ur barber, plumber, nurses , mechanic and etc.
but pls consider whay you can bring to aust.
the average house in perth , sidney, melbourne is about AUD400k.
rental price is going up and probably you had to queue for one.
if you have a job AUD5000/mth. after 20% tax. u got 4000.
rental is about 250/300/week. after deduct housing you left AUD2800/mth.
a meal out cost you about AUD8.00
i am not detering anyone, but pls do your maths before making the harsh decision.
Fatqueenlet, australia is good place to live and work. But if u have some expectations of living standard here. U have to throw singapore out of the picture. its because in Australia, infrastructure is not so developed as in singapore, Internet pornography is censored, Entertainment is limited.
But what is lacking in Singapore is found in Australia eg. cheap cars, Nature, relaxing lifestyle, Higer wages, Workplace laws and welfare.
Taxes are higher, but basic life is not compromised. u will still be able to afford basic necessities like food, transport and home.
Just remember , dont make superficial and surface comparisons . singaporeans who di this, i know of has since returned back to Singapore It all boilds down to what u really want in life.
reyes, rental of $250 - $300 per week?.. are u renting an aprtment. apartment costs more..
But in suburban areas, rental goes for like $400- $500 currently in Melbourne for a month
Originally posted by Melbournite:reyes, rental of $250 - $300 per week?.. are u renting an aprtment. apartment costs more..
But in suburban areas, rental goes for like $400- $500 currently in Melbourne for a month
Hi Melbournite
Which suburban areas has such cheap rental? Are they very far from the city. And how many bedrooms are these. I am in Melbourne now, but I dun think there are such cheap places. Even a one bedroom in Coburg cost abt. AUD720 - AUD780.
Can U share this with us....It would be very helpful to those that are renting on the high side. Thanx
Originally posted by Tammiemeow:Hi Melbournite
Which suburban areas has such cheap rental? Are they very far from the city. And how many bedrooms are these. I am in Melbourne now, but I dun think there are such cheap places. Even a one bedroom in Coburg cost abt. AUD720 - AUD780.
Can U share this with us....It would be very helpful to those that are renting on the high side. Thanx
u may be surprised. its Burwood i last noticed ...But again, u really have to look.....look for those areas near TAFE schools and Unis and usually the whole of these places are "rental"areas to students. So there wil be a small market there - a student market...As u know since so many ppl are renting out, it will bring down the rental in that particular place...
Btw i am talking about landed homes and not apartments.
Originally posted by reyes:as someone mention, you need to get into profession that no aussie want to do. put it this way, if u r engineer, professional you could end mroe more difficult in getting a job than if ur barber, plumber, nurses , mechanic and etc.
but pls consider whay you can bring to aust.
the average house in perth , sidney, melbourne is about AUD400k.
rental price is going up and probably you had to queue for one.
if you have a job AUD5000/mth. after 20% tax. u got 4000.
rental is about 250/300/week. after deduct housing you left AUD2800/mth.
a meal out cost you about AUD8.00
i am not detering anyone, but pls do your maths before making the harsh decision.
u are not deterring anyone but look at this way - 400K house which belongs to u for life and u get a landed home...and yr whole life to pay for it....it worth every cent...with $4000 a month, u are getting a car which is much cheaper than in singapore...
Originally posted by Tammiemeow:Some of these vagrants and lazy no gooders get pensions, and heard some even go for cash in hand jobs.... how smart.
u are not paying for them, when u are old, u get back the money in the form of pension. thats the idea..
Originally posted by GameGoddess:
I don't agree.
"Vagrants and lazy do-gooders" are part and parcel of every society. Just because a small bunch of idiotic dole-bludgers do take advantage of the welfare system doesn't mean that you should exclude the majority of people who do have proper jobs and pay taxes from the safety net the Government provides for the population.
I assume you have lived in Australia for a while, at least, enough to know that programs like 'A Current Affair' are akin to tabloids like 'The Sun' in UK and 'The New Paper' in Singapore. Just a bunch of overhyped claptrap by the Australian media - always known to blow things out of proportion.
About medical treatment by Medicare. Sure, it can be a big mess. It does seem like a mess right now with all the reports of badly managed hospitals and long waiting lists for medical care. But I think you're missing the point.
Australia provides free and greatly subsidised healthcare for the Aussie population. That is the point.
Here's a simple example. A country may consider prostitution illegal by law, but obviously prostitution still exists. This means that it is recognised by law that it is wrong. So no matter if Ah Hock feels horny and wants to bang a couple of chicks for $20 per head, but doesn't get caught, he is still liable to be arrested and tried under the law.
Just like in Australia. At least people who have been left out in the Medicare system can bring it up to the courts and the justice system because despite how they have been treated/went through they still can seek remedy for the lack of care/responsibility the system owes them.
In Singapore? Oh, you're "lucky" enough to have the Government bestow you with Medisave - you owe them not the other way around. 'Lucky' enough to be able to languish in a 'C' class ward with a drip (pay extra $2 for top up ah.) with 6 other terminally sick patients on 'controlled medication' (because the best and most effective are reserved for the full paying patients in air-conditioned 'A' class wards lucky/smart/rich enough to have private insurance or savings.That's what happened to a friend's grandma. Died of breast cancer thanks to the questionable care administered by the doctors in her 'C' class ward. It was disgusting to say the least, the level and quality of care, accomodation and treatment she was given just because her family didn't have enough money to pay for full treatment and had to rely on the pathetic excuse of a Medisave the Government in Singapore provides.
About your comment about the Australian Government being like the PAP. Are you seriously kidding me?
At least we can vote for the guy man. In Singapore 'mysterious' things happen and poof, hey, here's your guy for the next 7 years or whensoever they decide one fine day to hold the election. (While sitting in their overstuffed sofas eating kaya roti the big guy decides, gee, I think its a good day to have the election after the 34268762 walkovers were successful)We can complain about Australia because we love it and want to see positive change. But if we're just earning the wage here and living within the Australian system we reap benefits Singapore could never give us ever in a million years because they value their citizens/PRs and still b|tcing about it then maybe its time to seriously consider if Australia is the right place for us since Singapore is so 'great'.
At least in Singapore the vargarants and lazy people don't tax the system. It is well proven that countries with a welfare system in the end do not do well, just take a look at the USA. Now we all know where Australia is heading. When I speak about such people, I speak from personal experience, not programs like today tonight. Besides you do not need programs like today tonight to highlight the problem, have you ever stood outside a centerlink office?
At least the PAP do something... look at the infrastructure that Singapore has. In Australia, the political parties bitch about so many things that it is a wonder they get things done at all.
My friend recently went for a double bypass... the surgery was fine, but because the hospital was careless, he ended up getting a very bad viral infection of the bone and he is still suffering today, some six months after the operation, and we are talking about someone who has the best medical coverage in an A class type ward. Not some C class ward. So you tell me.
What credible opposition do we have in Singapore to vote for?
Originally posted by Melbournite:u are not paying for them, when u are old, u get back the money in the form of pension. thats the idea..
Errr, when we get old, maybe 30-40 years down the road, the welfare system might be abolished.... I have no complaints giving the pensions to the elderly or the handicapped. In fact, I am most happy to be taxed heavily to give to these groups of people. Even responsible single mums who really need the pension to keep the family going, as they cannot juggle full-time work and the young school-going children.
BUT I have an issue with pensions going to irresponsible single mums who give birth to so many children to claim pension, and instead of spending the $$ on the kids, they spend on drugs or alcohols. And how about able young people who claim pension, and on the other hand work at cash in hand jobs. And the Druggies and Alcoholics who make a nusiance of themselves in public...
Originally posted by Tammiemeow:
Errr, when we get old, maybe 30-40 years down the road, the welfare system might be abolished.... I have no complaints giving the pensions to the elderly or the handicapped. In fact, I am most happy to be taxed heavily to give to these groups of people. Even responsible single mums who really need the pension to keep the family going, as they cannot juggle full-time work and the young school-going children.BUT I have an issue with pensions going to irresponsible single mums who give birth to so many children to claim pension, and instead of spending the $$ on the kids, they spend on drugs or alcohols. And how about able young people who claim pension, and on the other hand work at cash in hand jobs. And the Druggies and Alcoholics who make a nusiance of themselves in public...
i see it in this way, as i said earlier, the tax comes back to u. the welfare system might be abolished?
This si something we are not sure of....But will it happen in a democratic country like Australia, highly unlikely...
Originally posted by Tammiemeow:
Errr, when we get old, maybe 30-40 years down the road, the welfare system might be abolished.... I have no complaints giving the pensions to the elderly or the handicapped. In fact, I am most happy to be taxed heavily to give to these groups of people. Even responsible single mums who really need the pension to keep the family going, as they cannot juggle full-time work and the young school-going children.BUT I have an issue with pensions going to irresponsible single mums who give birth to so many children to claim pension, and instead of spending the $$ on the kids, they spend on drugs or alcohols. And how about able young people who claim pension, and on the other hand work at cash in hand jobs. And the Druggies and Alcoholics who make a nusiance of themselves in public...
in any system, there is bound to be people exploiting it. singapore is not spared. just ask the biggest culprit, the gahmen themselves.
the question is, do you remove a well-intended policy because of a few bad apples or do you manage it?
you live your life but once. of course one cannot predict the outcome. however, in singapore, if you fall into the majority grouppo who needs to work well into their 60s at subsistence level just to get by, well, i better bail out early.