The Cult of Sai Baba
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Does anyone believe those stories about him being a paedophile and fraud? There are some posts that his closest supporters deserted him after hearing first-hand from his associates in India about boys in his care being sexually abused. Also what about those claims that he can raise a rotting corpse back to life?
Anyway, there is no such thing as reincarnation. People's souls go to heaven or hell after the death of the body. They will NOT return to the living realm ever again, even in another form. Person X who claims that he was Person Y in another life must be kidding. -
Those people can't be lying. It takes a lot of courage to leave a cult or religion. They must have given it much thought while on the plane home.
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My grandma was one of those people being referred to in this thread. I believe there could be more but we just don't know them.
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My uncle is actually a believer!!
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Why do you people choose to focus your time on senseless and baseless rumors? Have you personally witness such atrocious acts? Let me ask you. Which Great Souls has not faced condemnation before? Jesus was condemned. Budhha was also condemned. So why should we bother ourselves with such untruths?
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Christians believed that Jesus died on the cross and returned to life 3 days later, but have they witnessed it? Do you have to see something before you can believe? I myself have wondered about this thing called resurrection myself, and find it very chim indeed.Originally posted by shade343:Why do you people choose to focus your time on senseless and baseless rumors? Have you personally witness such atrocious acts? Let me ask you. Which Great Souls has not faced condemnation before? Jesus was condemned. Budhha was also condemned. So why should we bother ourselves with such untruths? -
it is impossible to plumb the hearts and discover the natures of Jnanis, Yogis, ascetics, saints, sages and the like. People are endowed with a variety of characteristics and mental attitudes; so, each one judges according to his own angle, talks and argues in the light of his own nature. But we have to stick to our own path, our own wisdom, our own resolution without getting affected by popular appraisal. As the proverb says, It is only the fruit laden tree that receives the shower of stones from passers by. The good always provoke the bad into calumny; the bad always provoke the good into derision. This is the nature of this world
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there are many evidences of reincarations in the net,let press the search engine,,hehhee shall we!Originally posted by TIB1133B:Does anyone believe those stories about him being a paedophile and fraud? There are some posts that his closest supporters deserted him after hearing first-hand from his associates in India about boys in his care being sexually abused. Also what about those claims that he can raise a rotting corpse back to life?
Anyway, there is no such thing as reincarnation. People's souls go to heaven or hell after the death of the body. They will NOT return to the living realm ever again, even in another form. Person X who claims that he was Person Y in another life must be kidding. -
probably the best idea there was the whole time... i think since this is a forum where all things magickal and non traditional spiritual are welcome, then let it stay that way..Originally posted by xuren:there are many evidences of reincarations in the net,let press the search engine,,hehhee shall we!
let us not condemn one or another...
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For the sake of truth
Conny Larsson's story
The Swami who deceived a whole world
Conny Larsson was very close to Sai Baba. Today he runs a home for young abusers and criminals near Valdemarsvik, a small town on the coast of the Baltic Sea in Sweden.
(Photo Sai Baba and Conny Larsson.)
Conny's contact with Sai Baba started when Conny tried to commit suicide in Sri Lanka in 1978. He intended to drown himself in the ocean. Then Sai Baba emerged from a small hut on the shore and came walking towards Conny in the water.
- He called me out of the water and told me to go to India.
- I went to his ashram in Puttaparthi. There Sai Baba walked up to me and said: "So you have arrived now!" I said I came from Sweden. "No", he said, "you come from Sri Lanka." Later I was invited to Sai Baba for talks almost every day. He kissed my cheek and was physically very close to me. That didn't worry me; even in Sweden we sometimes do like that. But then he touched my trousers between my legs and started to massage my penis. "Don't be afraid!" he said, "this is a divine touch." He took out my penis and touched it, and I touched his penis. He explained this with that my kundalini was to be changed.
- Because he was God and had saved my life I let it happen. I became a kind of favourite to him. I had frequent private talks with Sai Baba.
- We were always very close physically. He never came that close to women. He is interested in boys and men from the age of 8 up to 30. When you become 30, you are no longer interesting.
Conny Larsson became one of the movement's spiritual leaders in Sweden. In 1983 there were rumours that Sai Baba was cheating with his materializations and that he had sexual relations with young boys. Conny couldn't believe that this was true.
- But in 1986 I finally understood that he was doing the same things to other boys that he had done to me many years ago. I got to know the boys and asked them questions. They all told me the same story. The swami hade oral sex with them of whome many very heterosexual. The explanation was always that he was going to change their kundalini. - You wonder whether women don't have the kundalini power.
Conny also became a witness to Sai Baba's cheating with materializations.
- I decided never to tell anybody about this. I thought he tested my faith in him.
Conny felt worse and worse by what he found out. Sai Baba was the center of Conny's whole life since a long time.
- In January 1999 I got in touch with a Swedish boy, who had had six interviews with the swami. I noticed that the boy was shaken. He told me about the same things that had happened to me. It was about masturbation - the swami opened the boy's trousers and started to masturbate him - but no penetration. The boy withdrew but the swami insisted. Then the boy turned to a medical doctor and asked for help, but because of his age the doctor had never been exposed to the swami's improper advances, so he told the boy that he must have misunderstood the situation.
- During the last interview the boy had with the swami, the boy's mother was present. She had come to bring her two sons home with her. I saw how Sai Baba took out things from behind the cushion and then "manifested" them "miraculously". Then everything crashed for me. The boy left the ashram completely broken-hearted. According to the latest information from India the shop is found where Sai Baba buys the things he materializes. It's a shop in Hyderabad.
Some of us who have received gold things and diamonds from Sai Baba, have had them examined by experts and have been told that they are all junk pieces and not gold; diamonds were stained glass.
In Sweden the Gimle school, which was based on Sai Baba's philosophy, has been closed because of Baba's sexual actions. And Conny Larsson has stopped a movie about his life, in which Sai Baba's importance to him is the core. But the movement in Sweden continues as if nothing has happened, and it is still participating in tours to Sai Baba's ashram in Puttaparthi.
Conny points out that there are leaders in the movement who have known for a long time what the swami does with boys and young men. They say it is "divine". There are also leaders who know about the cheating with miracles and protect him. There are strong interests behind Sai Baba and his reputation to be an avatar.
What effects have these unveilings had on Conny? He says that he has had to change his concept of God.
- Now I believe in God inside me and in all human beings.
He adds:
- I feel tired and have compassion with all of them who have believed in Sai Baba and have been duped. But at the same time I wish to thank all the Sai friends for our moments together at satsangs, camps and courses, where we generated love and truth in spite of the illusion we in good faith all lived in. Once more: Thanks to everyone!
Annastina Vrethammar's opinion
Sai Baba has been a man of great importance to Annastina Vrethammar. After the sad unveilings about the swami she says that what is told about the swami doesn't fit in with his reputation of being an avatar. Today there are many questions around his person. Therefore she has decided not to reprint her latest book and not to publish a new book she has written.
But Annastina does not think that all the miracles around Sai Baba are bogus. There are obvious facts about his miracles. He has for example miraculously shown himself to different people and helped them, she says. And she thinks that Sai Baba's philosophy is of high quality.
Sai Baba tells us he is God, but at the same time he teaches that we are all divine beings and that God is in everything, everywhere, Annastina points out.
Jan Erik Sigdell about Sai Baba
- There is a book that pretends to unveil Sai Baba's hidden life. Its title is "Lord of the Air" and it is written by Tal Brooke (Lion Publishing, Herts, Berkhamsted 1976). I found it in Bangalore when it was newly published and bought a copy, which some years later I could not find in my library. Its disappearence was enigmatic, since I use to maintain a good order in my library. The book may have been stolen by some visitor. I tried to find it again some years later, in order to buy a new copy, but it was impossible. However, a Christian library in Bangalore had the book, and I got it copied there.
I am neither for or against Sai Baba, since I think I cannot judge him. No doubt he can materialize, because I have seen that myself. But I must admit that the question came up in me: from where has he got his power? Is it really "from above"? I have no answer to that question.
In his book Tal Brooke tells his story. He was a devotee for a long time, until he had a shocking experience. He writes that Sai Baba opened his trousers and took out his penis. After that he got in contact with other boys, who had had similar experiences. One of them said that Sai Baba masturbated him and took his sperm in his own handkerchief, which he put in his pocket. - http://www.sokaren.se/INDEX135.HTML -
Now I know why people left the cult. If my cell group leader did something like that, I'd leave too.
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I hope no pope ever turns out to be a paedo. If it ever happened, I could well become a Wiccan.Originally posted by SBS3641G:Now I know why people left the cult. If my cell group leader did something like that, I'd leave too. -
hehhee...we will not condemn one another! Totally agreed yet hate to remind that thru deep meditation,reincarnation evidences are apply to all buddhists,openly and truly proof of many lifes n many 'master' above us.Originally posted by KFDugong:probably the best idea there was the whole time... i think since this is a forum where all things magickal and non traditional spiritual are welcome, then let it stay that way..
let us not condemn one or another...
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Freedom of speech apply to this forum..so does free will!
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i say, make your own judgement after watching this. A documentary shown on BBC in 1995. (Warning: 20MB)
http://home.hetnet.nl/~gurubusters/gurubusters.wmv
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"My doctor told me that i have HIV infection."
"No no you don't have a serious disease. You just don't have your meals on time." -
you mean that you aren't already?Originally posted by iveco:I hope no pope ever turns out to be a paedo. If it ever happened, I could well become a Wiccan. -
Closet one.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:you mean that you aren't already?
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You go to Mass?Originally posted by iveco:Closet one. -
My lot is with the popes a long as they remain clean. If any one of them were directly implicated in a child sexual abuse scandal, it would break my heart.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You go to Mass?
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Go get a copy of today's Catholic News. They are discussing about Harry Potter.Originally posted by iveco:My lot is with the popes a long as they remain clean. If any one of them were directly implicated in a child sexual abuse scandal, it would break my heart.
What do you think? Obviously I still attend mass rite? -
But JP2 endorsed JK Rowling before. Says there are important lessons to draw from it.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Go get a copy of today's Catholic News. They are discussing about Harry Potter. -
Did you read the article or not? A nun was writing on it..Originally posted by iveco:But JP2 endorsed JK Rowling before. Says there are important lessons to draw from it.
In any case, even if the Pope doesn't like it, it's merely an opinion. You are not obliged to follow it. He's not speaking ex cathedra. -
Ah well, I'm not in Singapore right now. Is this article available online?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Did you read the article or not? A nun was writing on it..
In any case, even if the Pope doesn't like it, it's merely an opinion. You are not obliged to follow it. He's not speaking ex cathedra. -
Originally posted by shade343:Huh? Correct what. We are all part of God.
Baba isnt a god(I think he called himself Swami). But his soul is special Originally posted by OCEANOS:
If he were that special, let's see how he can survive a round from a Mousin-Nagant 1891 to the head.
[b]Thanks for sharing. Hope to see more of your post in here. Baba is an "Old Soul", "Avatar" thats what makes him special perhaps.
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