Is religion real?
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As long as it has believers, it is real.
If nobody believes in it, eventually it will cease to exist. Such is a fate of all religions. Think about it. -
not true. religions do not talk only about supernatural.
Buddhism, Taoism, Chrisitianity, even Islam have great influnece on culture, science and traditions. Even if no body believe it, it still contain facts in them and the words of the founders are profound and meaningful.
A good example, the Tao Te ching is widely translated. buddhism scriptures and the Bible are widely circulated too. -
So does this mean that as long as you believe in something, it is real? What do you define as "real" in this context? you mean as it exist physically or metaphysically or spiritually?Originally posted by Urban Monkey:As long as it has believers, it is real.
If nobody believes in it, eventually it will cease to exist. Such is a fate of all religions. Think about it. -
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Well i believe what Urban Monkey meant is that All Religions are beliefs systems that existed because there are Believers & followers of that particular system. He probably don't imply that religions are of supernatural.
Well Religion Real or False is up to your own perspective of it. Every Individual has their own perspective of everything in this Realm of Existence including religions. A simple analogy, I like coffee but does not necessary mean all will like coffee, some may like tea or other beverages & some may don't even drink any of the beverages. That is probably why there different followers of Various Religions & free thinkers. True or False is perhaps separated by a thin veil, Is it important to know? To me all Religions are Real & all teaches us to be good.
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Religions are in a spiritual manner for people like usOriginally posted by Urban Monkey:As long as it has believers, it is real.
If nobody believes in it, eventually it will cease to exist. Such is a fate of all religions. Think about it.
REligion can be part in scientific theories. eg: buddhism,taoism...others
REligion can be part in philosophy for life
REligion is Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline. An investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
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Its faith......
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pls define your " faith " ?Originally posted by sidestep1984:Its faith......
faith on religion matters or blind faith...
A man without light to show his way thru-out the dark tunnel,is forever losing his direction towards the entrance out of darkness(wisdom or Truth)...OR
BLIND FAITH -
to me, religion is life. all about life and the universe.
however, there is a thin line between over obsese,superstitious and pure devotion and sincere. -
ReligionssS...
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re·li·gion n.
Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
Since there are people who believe in a supernatural power/powers, religion is REAL.
BUT... who is to say whether the supernatural power/powers are real or not? -
Most religion is not real... just because someone is a believer doesn't means the things tat it had said is real or factual. Is santa claus real ? Most adults know it is a lie and made up by men. However there r children believing in it. Just because someone believes in it is a weak argument to say it is real.
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religion is the WAY OF LIFE. it is not solely on spiritual. It consist of everthing.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Most religion is not real... just because someone is a believer doesn't means the things tat it had said is real or factual. Is santa claus real ? Most adults know it is a lie and made up by men. However there r children believing in it. Just because someone believes in it is a weak argument to say it is real.
Teachings of religions can apply on daily lives and give us motivation, faith to do things.
Man now lacks of spiritual food. We have all we want on this earth, but we lack of this 'spiritual food' that make us spiritually hungry now. This is why there is constant sense of insecure in many ppl's life/
Hahaha, let see it in another perspective... Santa Claus is REAL. in a sense that this person is based on a REAL historical guy named St Nicolas.
Religion dun NEED anyone to believe it. Lao Tze, Buddha, Jesus, Mohumad etc..they setup religion, schools, it is for the benefit of mankind, it is their compassion for mankind that led to forming of religion. How noble they are!
There is freedom in believing religion and Lao Tze, Buddha etc..DO NOT encourage BLIND FAITH.
Let humble ourselve, and look at religion at another point of view. -
religion is the WAY OF LIFE. it is not solely on spiritual. It consist of everthing.
It depends on wat is your definition of "real". If u say tat religion is there to fulfil man's insecurity moltivation, faith etc, then there is such a thing as religion. There is such a thing called Islam, Buddhist etc. However if u meant real as in whether does the things a religion proclaim real or not, then my answer is most religion, if not all religion, r not real. The events they claimed and people they mentioned etc r not real, or exaggerated to the point tat no one know which is correct or wrong. They r likely to be manmade and is nothing but superstitious and story writing. In short there is no such thing as god, allah, guanyin or shiva.
Teachings of religions can apply on daily lives and give us motivation, faith to do things
As in the story of santa claus, u can say there is a person called St Nicolas, but he is not the person wearing red, go around the world giving presents to the children who r nice nor do they ask elves to help them make presents etc. There r people who believe in santa claus, but it is not real.Man now lacks of spiritual food. We have all we want on this earth, but we lack of this 'spiritual food' that make us spiritually hungry now. This is why there is constant sense of insecure in many ppl's life/
So u believe in a religion not because it is real or factual but just because it make u feel at ease ? IMO, it is better for men to face reality and grow stronger instead of escapism and believe in something just because they need to believe.Religion dun NEED anyone to believe it. Lao Tze, Buddha, Jesus, Mohumad etc..they setup religion, schools, it is for the benefit of mankind, it is their compassion for mankind that led to forming of religion. How noble they are
Really ? I can interprete it as a means to control the masses as well. Tat is why religion tat is supported by the politic system r allowed to thrive while the others tat may speak of the truth but against politics r branded as cults and destroyed. U say they r noble, but they may turn out to be mere stories which anybody can write anything they want. I can easily write the trials of a fiction character going through hell 10 million times for men u know.. writing without verification is very easy. -
Well, very well then. In fact what you mentioned 'facing reality, be strong' etc.. it is already part of the teachings in some religion.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Really ? I can interprete it as a means to control the masses as well. Tat is why religion tat is supported by the politic system r allowed to thrive while the others tat may speak of the truth but against politics r branded as cults and destroyed. U say they r noble, but they may turn out to be mere stories which anybody can write anything they want. I can easily write the trials of a fiction character going through hell 10 million times for men u know.. writing without verification is very easy.
Control the masses? Lao Tze controls no one and taoism it self had done alot in shaping the oriental culture and wisdom.
Action speaks louder then words, Taoism's key scripture - Tao Te Ching is a work of great wisdom and certainly tell more truth then anyone of us.
Superstitous? Each belief, orthodox belief has its origns and meaning.
Every hear of parable? some tales and stories, are there, to explain certain logic and meaning. In this case, we need to read between lines to find the meaning behind it.
As far as spiritual concern, no god, no allah no deities? ahaha...
There are alot of unexplained and paranormal issues out there. Concluding the non-existance of spirits is the same as bragging that the whole univserse contain only mankind and no other 'aliens'.
We need to have an open heart to see this. some ppl see 'no' reasons in believing their existance and claim that they are not real..but on the other hand, is there a clear cut evidence that prove their non-existance?
Religion touches alot on moral values and provide comfort for others. of course religion is more then that, but this is one of their values.
Take Taoism for example. not all deities and sages are without verification. many are historical figures and they leave behind great works of wisdom and credits.
Of course there are also those that is hard to 'verify' because they talk about a higher spiritual level, which i will not touches them here.
The contributiong taoism gave include chinese medicine, qi gong, taiji quan, philosophy, culture etc..shows it is NOT mere 'superstious'.
This is same for other major orthodox religions. We need to be careful, cos there are alot of ppl abusing and making use of religions. they are not the orthodox one and should not be used to represent any faith. -
....Originally posted by wisely_xu:Well, very well then. In fact what you mentioned 'facing reality, be strong' etc.. it is already part of the teachings in some religion.
Control the masses? Lao Tze controls no one and taoism it self had done alot in shaping the oriental culture and wisdom.
Action speaks louder then words, Taoism's key scripture - Tao Te Ching is a work of great wisdom and certainly tell more truth then anyone of us.
Superstitous? Each belief, orthodox belief has its origns and meaning.
Every hear of parable? some tales and stories, are there, to explain certain logic and meaning. In this case, we need to read between lines to find the meaning behind it.
As far as spiritual concern, no god, no allah no deities? ahaha...
There are alot of unexplained and paranormal issues out there. Concluding the non-existance of spirits is the same as bragging that the whole univserse contain only mankind and no other 'aliens'.
We need to have an open heart to see this. some ppl see 'no' reasons in believing their existance and claim that they are not real..but on the other hand, is there a clear cut evidence that prove their non-existance?
Religion touches alot on moral values and provide comfort for others. of course religion is more then that, but this is one of their values.
Take Taoism for example. not all deities and sages are without verification. many are historical figures and they leave behind great works of wisdom and credits.
Of course there are also those that is hard to 'verify' because they talk about a higher spiritual level, which i will not touches them here.
The contributiong taoism gave include chinese medicine, qi gong, taiji quan, philosophy, culture etc..shows it is NOT mere 'superstious'.
This is same for other major orthodox religions. We need to be careful, cos there are alot of ppl abusing and making use of religions. they are not the orthodox one and should not be used to represent any faith.
Religion is big trouble!!!
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Welcom me back???
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haha...religion is trouble? hehe..me view religion as part and parcel of life.Originally posted by water_rat:....
Religion is big trouble!!!
hi...i am back to spore again
Welcom me back???
Cheers..Wisely_Xu -
No..no..No..Sorry Mr XuOriginally posted by wisely_xu:haha...religion is trouble? hehe..me view religion as part and parcel of life.
Wrong words..wrong timing..wrong mind...hehee
I meant REligious is IN big trouble!
Cheers..
Be Blessed
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Well, very well then. In fact what you mentioned 'facing reality, be strong' etc.. it is already part of the teachings in some religion.
Just because it teaches people to do good things doesn't prove it is true. All religion teaches people to do good deeds but it all can't be true since they tell complete different stories like how the world is created or wat happened after death etc.Control the masses? Lao Tze controls no one and taoism it self had done alot in shaping the oriental culture and wisdom.
Shaping the oriental culture is controlling the massesThere are alot of unexplained and paranormal issues out there. Concluding the non-existance of spirits is the same as bragging that the whole univserse contain only mankind and no other 'aliens'.
Spirits r the lifeform of Human being after death, and therefore it is not about aliens. If u believe in spirits, u show us the evidence of spirits. U say a lot of unexplained and paranormal issues, but it never show any specified religion to be trueWe need to have an open heart to see this. some ppl see 'no' reasons in believing their existance and claim that they are not real..but on the other hand, is there a clear cut evidence that prove their non-existance?
Anyone can claims all the crap they want. I can claim a blue rhino makes the universe or in earth there is an existence of a creature with 3 duck heads, lion body, caterpillars legs and a scorpion tail on earth. Can u prove me wrong ? Doesn't it make more sense for the peopel to prove a phenmenon instead of asking people to show a prove of it otherwise.Religion touches alot on moral values and provide comfort for others. of course religion is more then that, but this is one of their values.
But it is a lie and not true. If u believe in a religion u should treat it like a history book. In short, u believe in their theories of life after death or how the world is created etc. Religion teaches good things just because if it is not, they will be treated as a cult and get weeded off by the politic system. All religion teaches good deeds but all can't be true isn't it ?Take Taoism for example. not all deities and sages are without verification. many are historical figures and they leave behind great works of wisdom and credits.
I am not very clear about taoism but if it tell stories of people capable of flying or transforming themselves into foxes etc, then it is not true. The journey of the west is also based on a real monk. But is it true ?The contributiong taoism gave include chinese medicine, qi gong, taiji quan, philosophy, culture etc..shows it is NOT mere 'superstious'.
Just because it comes out with a set of taiji kongfu doesn't means its theories such as life after death or reincarnation is real. All the relgion in the world can come out with its own portion where it boasts it is correct. But surely it is not possible they all r since they tell of totally different things. A correctness in a part of their teachings does not means everything in it will be right. An error in it, however can shows the whole scripture is unreliable -
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As long as it has believers, it is real.
As for Buddhism, we know that as long as there is a Beginning, there must be an End.
If nobody believes in it, eventually it will cease to exist. Such is a fate of all religions. Think about it.
Same goes for the Buddha Sasanna [the period whereby we can receive the teachings of Buddhadharma]. It is prophecised that this current buddha sassana will last for 5000 years. 2500 years have already passed. When the Buddha sassana ends, and this cycle ends, the next Buddha will appear. So the cycle goes on and on.
The Ultimate Truth does not end. The Ultimate Truth never ends. Because it did not have a start. It is eternal - waiting for sentient beings to realise it.