I graduated from nyp too in 1999.Originally posted by ahtong76:Welcome everyone,
Just wanted to find out what you guys think of our local nursing culture.
Don't worry, i am not a nursing administrator trying to find fault, just a small fry working in a BIG hospital here!
Btw, me graduated in 99 from NYP.
So all of you out there, feel free to post here and do mention which year you graduated too!
Cheers!![]()
I am working in australia now .Originally posted by ahtong76:Alright la!
Feel that the forum needs a lively discussion.
So anyone thinks that we should be working 5 day week like our friends in Australia too???
Originally posted by pqr:Well, there is a trend among nurse job satisfaction in terms of how much they are valued by their physicians or peers. Some physicians rely heavily on the nursing input in deciding the patient's treatment, while others feel the opposite. I mean, come on! who spends most of the time with the patient??
I am not a nurse but i hear from many of my nurses friend that [b]respect is hardly given to nurses in Singapore esp in wards. i.e doctors shout at nurses without any valid reasons, nurse managers (sisters) also similiar.
Patients and Visitors also treat nurses as maids rather than as a professional;
Nurses also back stabbed each other whereas doctors cover each others.
Most important of all, i believe nurses are rated as domestic something instead of a professional occupation.
UK and other countries rate nurses as a professional job and doctors co-work with nurses rather than just follow orders. Ask those who had worked in UK, australia if this is true.
Bottom line for shortage of nurses is more than just $$$. Nurses in this forums, am i right?
I saluate you for your hard work, effort, love and care for the patients.
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Originally posted by pqr:Australian nurses exercise more autonomy than back home - new doctors are wary of ordering them around because the whole gang of ward nurses will come down on them like a ton of bricks .I remembered in Singapore the doctor could call a nurse stupid in front of the patient while here I don't see that in the australian hospital.
I am not a nurse but i hear from many of my nurses friend that [b]respect is hardly given to nurses in Singapore esp in wards. i.e doctors shout at nurses without any valid reasons, nurse managers (sisters) also similiar.
Patients and Visitors also treat nurses as maids rather than as a professional;
Nurses also back stabbed each other whereas doctors cover each others.
Most important of all, i believe nurses are rated as domestic something instead of a professional occupation.
UK and other countries rate nurses as a professional job and doctors co-work with nurses rather than just follow orders. Ask those who had worked in UK, australia if this is true.
Bottom line for shortage of nurses is more than just $$$. Nurses in this forums, am i right?
I saluate you for your hard work, effort, love and care for the patients.
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The Masters is a joke ...very poorly pulled one too. First of all if NUS want to establish a masters in nursing , theorectically it should establish a bachelor program for the nursing poly grads. The reason why they don't encourage degree in nurses - it pushes their cost coefficent up when it comes to payin for manpower.Originally posted by ahtong76:Well, there is a trend among nurse job satisfaction in terms of how much they are valued by their physicians or peers. Some physicians rely heavily on the nursing input in deciding the patient's treatment, while others feel the opposite. I mean, come on! who spends most of the time with the patient??
Hope this trend is improving in Singapore with the latest batch of Nurse clincian with Masters degree in NUS.
Well, there lots of such things going on in the wards in Singapore, nurses being verbally abused, physically kicked and punched by confused patients. Wat can we do, just suffer in silence, see staff clinic get MC lor!!!Originally posted by FireIce:hope more guys will consider nursing
and serve the male patients
so female nurses wun be beo-ed or get their butt pinched when they do their rounds in the male wards
hey.. they are looking into the bachelor programme now...Originally posted by ahtong76:fymk,
I know the people you mentioned, and i think i may also know you la, just a hint i am from your batch of nursing graduate and am a male nurse.
About the Masters programe that was started, i made the same remark as you did at forum straits times as to why the hell was a Masters programe started but not a bachelors??? Guess what is the answer??
Oh..... we will start it in 2006, but meanwhile you work and study night classes and btw, we only choose the more expensive degrees to recognize although Singapore Nursing Board recognizes other univerisities.
Wat to do??? Pay from our hard earned money for the piece of paper qualification lor![]()
You know me...I pretty much guess who you were from ah tong and ur birth year.Originally posted by ahtong76:fymk,
I know the people you mentioned, and i think i may also know you la, just a hint i am from your batch of nursing graduate and am a male nurse.
About the Masters programe that was started, i made the same remark as you did at forum straits times as to why the hell was a Masters programe started but not a bachelors??? Guess what is the answer??
Oh..... we will start it in 2006, but meanwhile you work and study night classes and btw, we only choose the more expensive degrees to recognize although Singapore Nursing Board recognizes other univerisities.
Wat to do??? Pay from our hard earned money for the piece of paper qualification lor![]()
Over here we have this unspoken system. May sounds like I am unsympathetic but I got slapped, direct hit on the stomach and my back got sprained because patient while trying to hit me , fell on me. Sometimes it is a sudden thing, sometimes they know what they are doing. Those who know what they are doing, get reported to police . I just learn the main rules : don't go near a hitting patient ALONE. We got one colleague who got a near miss - the patient wanted to hit the base of his neck which you know can cause death. Luckily all of us jump on the patient and stop him before he could do that.Originally posted by ahtong76:Well, there lots of such things going on in the wards in Singapore, nurses being verbally abused, physically kicked and punched by confused patients. Wat can we do, just suffer in silence, see staff clinic get MC lor!!!
Guys are few, and often times we gotta bear most of the heavy lifting jobs, not that i am complaining, cos my femal colleagues are equally good at it too, but when they hit above fiftty, often times their back gives them problem.
Over here we have this unspoken system. May sounds like I am unsympathetic but I got slapped, direct hit on the stomach and my back got sprained because patient while trying to hit me , fell on me. Sometimes it is a sudden thing, sometimes they know what they are doing. Those who know what they are doing, get reported to police . I just learn the main rules : don't go near a hitting patient ALONE. We got one colleague who got a near miss - the patient wanted to hit the base of his neck which you know can cause death. Luckily all of us jump on the patient and stop him before he could do that.Originally posted by ahtong76:Well, there lots of such things going on in the wards in Singapore, nurses being verbally abused, physically kicked and punched by confused patients. Wat can we do, just suffer in silence, see staff clinic get MC lor!!!
Guys are few, and often times we gotta bear most of the heavy lifting jobs, not that i am complaining, cos my femal colleagues are equally good at it too, but when they hit above fiftty, often times their back gives them problem.
I feel the real reason why there's no Bachelor degree for nurses that's a full-time course in one of the universities here is because currently, you don't have a lot of 'A' level grads attracted to nursing and secondly, with SIM already offering a degree program, there isn't really an immediate need to come out with the resources needed to create another degree program. I won't be surprised if the said 2006 Nursing Degree Program is just an empty promise to vacillate and buy more time to come up with a better excuse maybe.Originally posted by fymk:The Masters is a joke ...very poorly pulled one too. First of all if NUS want to establish a masters in nursing , theorectically it should establish a bachelor program for the nursing poly grads. The reason why they don't encourage degree in nurses - it pushes their cost coefficent up when it comes to payin for manpower.
I just think that it is just a superficial show to exhibit "their recognition".
They won't publish . That much I can tell youOriginally posted by Rhonda:I feel the real reason why there's no Bachelor degree for nurses that's a full-time course in one of the universities here is because currently, you don't have a lot of 'A' level grads attracted to nursing and secondly, with SIM already offering a degree program, there isn't really an immediate need to come out with the resources needed to create another degree program. I won't be surprised if the said 2006 Nursing Degree Program is just an empty promise to vacillate and buy more time to come up with a better excuse maybe.
It's going to be interesting when the new batch of nursing students graduate next year. I'm referring specifically to those who entered the 2-year accelearated course in NYP due to the fact that they already possess a first degree in any course of study. When you go through Junior College onwards, the lecturers and tutors are open-minded and often, they challenge you to formulate independant thinking and not just accept everything that's thrown at you so, can you imagine how these people, who are conditioned to that kind of intellectually stimulating environment would cope with Ward Sisters who demand and shout that you do what they want just because they said so? hahaha!I'm secretly hoping for a bit of a shakeup because it's high time we got rid of this bureaucracy in nursing. Seniority does not necessarily mean that one is right all the time! I'm just so tired of seniors and Ward Sisters barking at the juniors, 'bullying' them, criticising in a very bitchy, unprofessional manner, and all other manners of exploitation, manipulation and abuse.
I'd like to see how long these nurses can last in such an environment. It's an 'open secret' that a lot of them registered for the nursing course because they graduated at a time when retrenchments were going on, jobs were scarce and nursing was touted as a secure, stable, 'guaranteed' job. I don't wish to see them fall - I hope that out of their cohort, a few will be able to initiate changes although sadly, right now, that will be like sending a lamb to the slaughter since a lot of the 'old school' nurses who hold senior ranks will probably tear them to shreds.![]()
Sigh... for the time being, I take comfort in the delectable thought that after I serve my bond (soon! yay!) and land myself a job overseas, I shall write a scathing letter to the Forum page in The Straits Times or some other local newspaper highlighting the adverse working conditions so many of us had to face. Well, that letter might not be a reality since I don't particularly relish being 'torn to shreds' myself by the 'Sisterhood of Sisters' but it is nevertheless, a very amusing and comforting thought.![]()