MLM observations
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haha, i definitely wont bother to recruit or convince you. you should be the one that convince me to recruit you under my banner.
please dont think so highly of yourself.
if you wanna prove yourself, meet up rather than talk 'big' in forum. -
so true and i'd bet you know as much about mlm as drug addicts knowing about the pills they pop.Originally posted by I love BMW:if this is what you think, i can only say one thing... you dont even know whats the hell is network marketing. -
jia you bah~ simi banner, simi crap. i stupid person, dunnoe such chimalogy things.Originally posted by I love BMW:haha, i definitely wont bother to recruit or convince you. you should be the one that convince me to recruit you under my banner.
please dont think so highly of yourself.
if you wanna prove yourself, meet up rather than talk 'big' in forum. all i noe ppl recuit ppl, ppl sell things to ppl, ppl no control over wad ppl sell, ppl turns nuts and ppl start picking up banners. -
you know... one very notable feature commonly found in every networker like you is that when you guys have failed to convince pple, you guys tend to find ways to evade e topic.Originally posted by I love BMW:haha, i definitely wont bother to recruit or convince you. you should be the one that convince me to recruit you under my banner.
please dont think so highly of yourself.
if you wanna prove yourself, meet up rather than talk 'big' in forum.
and once again... u never fail to exasperate me by insinuating that i am talking big in this forum. now, where's your evidence to support your claim?? If that is so, then you are even more "talk big" than me -- at least i back up what i say with solid facts, unlike you. i am normally a very patient person, but when people fail to understand in their limited mindset e points that i am trying to bring across, i become very impatient. i beseech you... pls pls pls,.. back up what you have said with facts.
when did i say i wanted to come under your banner?? common' even if i were to join an mlm in e near future which i consider an apparent impossibility, i would not join under you, simply cos you cun even convince others and when questioned, you were evasive.
Instead of defending e industry, you haf worsened my impression of it. It seems that network marketeers lack e intellectual capability to think and rationalize for themselves. Not only that, they are just a bunch of idealistic and self-centred pple who pursue their dreams and ideals at the expense of others. -
x2 sibei dulan them lo, like talking to wall like dat.Originally posted by devoid05:you know... one very notable feature commonly found in every networker like you is that when you guys have failed to convince pple, you guys tend to find ways to evade e topic.
and once again... u never fail to exasperate me by insinuating that i am talking big in this forum. now, where's your evidence to support your claim?? If that is so, then you are even more "talk big" than me -- at least i back up what i say with solid facts, unlike you. i am normally a very patient person, but when people fail to understand in their limited mindset e points that i am trying to bring across, i become very impatient. i beseech you... pls pls pls,.. back up what you have said with facts.
when did i say i wanted to come under your banner?? common' even if i were to join an mlm in e near future which i consider an apparent impossibility, i would not join under you, simply cos you cun even convince others and when questioned, you were evasive.
Instead of defending e industry, you haf worsened my impression of it. It seems that network marketeers lack e intellectual capability to think and rationalize for themselves. Not only that, they are just a bunch of idealistic and self-centred pple who pursue their dreams and ideals at the expense of others. -
just meet up and say lah... talk over forum.. waste my time.
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frankly, i wouldn't mind meeting up with you if i were assured of three things.Originally posted by I love BMW:just meet up and say lah... talk over forum.. waste my time.
yawn...
1) of your ability to convince me with flawless arguments centred ard cold, hard facts, rather than groundless fallacies.
2) that you wouldn't rely on overtly emotive tones and facial expressions in order to sway pple ovr to your perspective... which is another trick practised by almost all MLMs in general.
3) that it would be a one-to-one meeting, instead of you bringing your horde of colleagues down.
e point is, u have failed miserably in your efforts to convince me in dis forum. Thus, i'm not e least assured of your convincing prowess. Neither do i trust that you would come down alone. Most probably, you would resort to intimidation by bringing a whole bunch of colleagues down. (i'm sorry if i'm mistaken abt you, but i wouldn't want to repeat e same mistake aft a bad experience... once bitten, twice shy.) if you think that a discussion on this forum is a waste of time, then why are you here in e first place? Not unless you came with a partisan mind, in the light to assess e pros of network marketing, rather than getting a factual overview of e entire situation. -
dont give so many excuse.
just state your date, time and venue. -
i wld only meet up wif you if you can satisfy e above conditions...
if nt, forget abt it... i'll jux be wastg my time. -
sounds like gangster wanna "pia zui" (gang fight), i think we better chicken out of this chicken sh*t thing.Originally posted by I love BMW:dont give so many excuse.
just state your date, time and venue.
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sigh... network marketeers... they look so decent on e outside but are so uncouth on e inside...Originally posted by I love BMW:dont give so many excuse.
just state your date, time and venue.
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Now now kids.. lets cast these dubious job offers and cynical remarks aside.. Network marketing.. i've seen people who fall from it, and i've also seen pple who struck gold from it. The pros and cons of mlm are bountiful and endless. Its good if you suceed and its s h i t ty if you fall but life still goes on. Its pretty cuh-razy to see anyone argueing over it.
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hahaa...
i cant believe you guys will resort to personal attacks to divert the attention.
come on, if you scared to meet up, say so lah.. dont have to make yourself so 'gentleman'. -
pls read e above threads i posted... there's something called a dictionary to aide you shld you fail to understand its meaning.Originally posted by I love BMW:hahaa...
i cant believe you guys will resort to personal attacks to divert the attention.
come on, if you scared to meet up, say so lah.. dont have to make yourself so 'gentleman'. -
dont give so many excuses lah.
dont want to meet up say so lah... dont have to throw smoke bomb to get yourself out of the picture. -
ned some fire extinguisher here???
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He sounds like a speaker corner regular..
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all i can say is that my excuses, if that is what you call them, are valid. they r essentially, by the very definition of e word, nt excuses... but rather, genuine concerns which have nt been not uncalled for. u wld bring down pple rite?? and hw r u gg to provide e facts to prove what you haf said to me when you cun even state em rite here? meeting you is just a waste of my time... cos i know that i wun be joining fer sure and its pointless debating with you since you're so adamant that this trade rocks.Originally posted by I love BMW:dont give so many excuses lah.
dont want to meet up say so lah... dont have to throw smoke bomb to get yourself out of the picture. -
from what i see, you're the one trying to create a smokescreen, if anyone wants to create an anti-mlm outing to meet you and ur peers, i dun mind signing up.Originally posted by I love BMW:dont give so many excuses lah.
dont want to meet up say so lah... dont have to throw smoke bomb to get yourself out of the picture. -
haha... yeah... i second e notionOriginally posted by Ito_^:from what i see, you're the one trying to create a smokescreen, if anyone wants to create an anti-mlm outing to meet you and ur peers, i dun mind signing up. 
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excuse is an excuse.. still got valid or invalid one? either one is still an excuse.
finally you make your stand, you simply giving all kinds of excuse to 'avoid' a proper meet up with me. thank you because you save my time to have an endless meaningless conversation with you.
oh yah, please dont act like a well educated person here, very insincere and insulting to all the readers here. your acting is only good enough to fool some foolish people here to support you.
congrats to you! -
ok den... assure me that it would be a one-to one meeting... and that you would have solid facts to back up your claims.Originally posted by I love BMW:excuse is an excuse.. still got valid or invalid one? either one is still an excuse.
finally you make your stand, you simply giving all kinds of excuse to 'avoid' a proper meet up with me. thank you because you save my time to have an endless meaningless conversation with you.
oh yah, please dont act like a well educated person here, very insincere and insulting to all the readers here. your acting is only good enough to fool some foolish people here to support you.
congrats to you!
dun say that i'm giving excuses, just assure me and i'm prepared to meet up. anytime anywhere.
haha... don't you see? i'm unlike you guys.. i don't put on a false front. these pple do not support me... they have their own views and standpoints as you can see... and foolishness is subjective. what is foolish to you may be wise in my eyes and e eyes of some other pple. and by being well educated, why is it an insult to others? really, i'm well educated?? geez... i didn't even know that... i haven't gotten my degree yet. Aren't you network marketeers supposed to be thick skinned? Boy, you surely are thick skinned when it comes to sales, but when it boils down to criticisms and cynical remarks, you are rather thin-skinned and you lack e capacity to take it in your own stride. Now tell me, when have i ever insulted you? And even if i did sound abit rude, which of these claims were false? state em here for everyone to see.
and hey, have you ever asked yourself why these pple support e claims that i'm making? why aren't there any networkers coming to your rescue here? simply cos your arguments are weak and pervaded with fallacies, devoid of any evidence. these pple have their fair share of bad experiences too, and instead of clearing their doubts and reaffirming their faith in this trade, you simply scorn it off. don't you forget this -- You are supposed to be e one who's better at convincing, not me. aft all, you have all e training and convincing lessons you can ever get from your company.
Network marketing is a relatively new industry in singapore. Altho it has been ard fer ten years or so, pple have not fully come to terms with it yet. Despite being officially recognised by e govt, this trade would have to defend its rights to exist time and time again, just as when e concept of mlm was first introduced in e market, amway had to defend her rights to exist by fending off her critics and federal court rulings not with groundless remarks, but solid evidences and claims. -
Hey BMW, wats ur company? U the boss?
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I wish to state that MLM works. History has proven it. It is simply just another form of distribution. It's legality is sound and concept well-defined. I would like to correct devoid05 that MLM's history is more than 50 yrs, not 10 plus yrs. It's idea is not new. According to Multiple Streams Of Income author Robert G. Allen, it is nothing more than another stream of income, whose income potential is virtually unlimited. Sure, in any other industry there would surely be the bad sheep and the good sheep. However, the majority of mlmers around the world have done the biz correctly and ethically. If your fren says no, Im sure most ethical companies would have told their distributors to say "next". Until they find someone interested in the biz or product. That would surely take patience and dedicaiton and hard work. It's not about convincing someone but finding the person who's interested. And it's uncool to bug your relatives and friends continuosly! It's not wat u do but how u do it. Many mlmers have done their biz correctly and professionally. If your fren wants to recruit you, he will be doing the industry a disservice if he just leaves you alone to survive in the mlm world. He has every responsibility to make sure you succeed in this biz. MLM is about discovering your values as a person and personal growth in disguise as a way of moving products. Please be open-minded. For more objective information and analysis, go to marketwaveinc.com. Go to the website and links with articles that says, "Anti-mlm zealots: do they have a point(or case) to prove?" by Leonard Clements.
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at this juncture, i would like to clarify that e mlm we are talking about is in e singapore context. mlm has been ard for 50 yrs, but in singapore, its been ard for ten years...Originally posted by excused:I wish to state that MLM works. History has proven it. It is simply just another form of distribution. It's legality is sound and concept well-defined. I would like to correct devoid05 that MLM's history is more than 50 yrs, not 10 plus yrs. It's idea is not new. According to Multiple Streams Of Income author Robert G. Allen, it is nothing more than another stream of income, whose income potential is virtually unlimited. Sure, in any other industry there would surely be the bad sheep and the good sheep. However, the majority of mlmers around the world have done the biz correctly and ethically. If your fren says no, Im sure most ethical companies would have told their distributors to say "next". Until they find someone interested in the biz or product. That would surely take patience and dedicaiton and hard work. It's not about convincing someone but finding the person who's interested. And it's uncool to bug your relatives and friends continuosly! It's not wat u do but how u do it. Many mlmers have done their biz correctly and professionally. If your fren wants to recruit you, he will be doing the industry a disservice if he just leaves you alone to survive in the mlm world. He has every responsibility to make sure you succeed in this biz. MLM is about discovering your values as a person and personal growth in disguise as a way of moving products. Please be open-minded. For more objective information and analysis, go to marketwaveinc.com. Go to the website and links with articles that says, "Anti-mlm zealots: do they have a point(or case) to prove?" by Leonard Clements.
in fact, as i have mentioned in earlier posts somewhere in other forums, mlm is indeed a good way to earn. In fact, the mlm business is flourishing elsewhere in e world. But NOT in singapore. why? simply cos our population is too small to sustain such a trade. That probably sums up e rationale behind the aggressive tendencies of many mlmers here.
i did nt say that mlm CANNOT be a stream of income. i said that in singapore, it can only be done as a sideline. Pls read "do you hate mlmers"... However, many tend to treat mlm as a career in sg, rather than a sideline. The consequences are only too conceivable -- some of them end up quitting their jobs in a drastic move to make more money, only to find themselves head over heels in debt.
In e first place, i have never questioned e legality abt this trade. i only said it had to defend its rights to exist, legal as it may be. And what may apply for e rest of e world may not apply here in singapore. You can't possibly use world mlm history to prove that mlm in singapore works. They are two paralleled courses altogether. Communism may work for Vietnam, bt it doesn't work for USSR. MLM companies in singapore are unethical, too often a time adopting a hardselling stance. I say this based on my interaction with friends in this trade and my past experiences. It really puts pple off. For god's sake, save some dignity for yourselves. Which mlm company has emerged untainted by random complaints, be it fer cheating or lying? yupp... it's totally uncool to bug your relatives... but when e population in singapore is so small and when majority of singaporeans are still found unreceptive to such an industry, mlmers are left with no choice but to bug their closest of kin. You can't deny that they are unethical... it's proven that they are.
For all your rhetoric abt marketing ethnics, it is highly apparent that many of mlmers are unable to grasp that chapter fully. what do you define as professional??? i can name soo many examples where they have stood out as being an unethical bunch, nt only that -- what's even worse is that they strike me as fake. It doesn't matter how brilliantly they have expounded their beliefs in the trade. too often a time, i see mlmers bugging pple in a desperate bid to boost their sales and recruitment, luring pple with incentives like cars and five figure incomes.
it was precisely cos i was open minded in the trade that i joined in e first place. It's never abt me being open minded, its abt your arguments being sound. When i posted my arguments and doubts in this forum, networkers will occasionally respond here and then. But when i reply again, it seems that many of them have become speechless for words. In mlm, i did not discover my values. on e contrary, i found myself on e verge of compromising on them. read do you hate mlmers again... i have seen pple joining this trade never to become better, only to become more moneyminded and bad-tempered than ever. seriously, what have you learnt from this trade other than convincing techniques (which obviously doesn't work cos many networkers still lack convincing power), social skills and the likes of these? Personal growth?? haa... if you wanna develop socially and morally, i suggest you go join some community club or a school.
And when did i say that my friend left me alone?? he didn't leave me alone... i only saw our friendship festering away for what he has become...