DW Group & EastWing Group - My Experience
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hmmss... what abt astral mag and venture era? anyone hv any idea abt the relationship between these two companies... what's the relationship between DW, AMH and VE?? what's the credibilty like? is it sound?
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From what I know, I dont think there is any link between Astral Mag and Venture Era, most prob they are just 2 companies marketing a similar product. But the few directors of DW Group were originally from Asayo. Maybe they had a dispute or they realized that the money-making scam was good, thats why they started out their own DW Group. EastWing Group is led by the director of KCG Holdings, and KCG Holdings is out from DW Group because they HAD a dispute.Originally posted by devoid05:hmmss... what abt astral mag and venture era? anyone hv any idea abt the relationship between these two companies... what's the relationship between DW, AMH and VE?? what's the credibilty like? is it sound?
But overall, no link between DW, Astra Mag and VE.. Feel free to correct me if there are any mistakes.. Thks!
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Originally posted by lhx_kaze:From what I know, I dont think there is any link between Astral Mag and Venture Era, most prob they are just 2 companies marketing a similar product. But the few directors of DW Group were originally from Asayo. Maybe they had a dispute or they realized that the money-making scam was good, thats why they started out their own DW Group. EastWing Group is led by the director of KCG Holdings, and KCG Holdings was originally one of the Joint Ventures from DW Group. KCG Holdings changed its name to EastWing Group because they HAD a dispute, so now they have become separate companies.
But overall, no link between DW, Astra Mag and VE.. Feel free to correct me if there are any mistakes.. Thks! -
thanks fer the enriching piece of info...
is astral mag credible? what abt venture era? what's the compensation plans like? what are the money-making chances in these companies? (izzt almost zero or an absolute zero percent)
my fren was thinking of joining either one of these companies... he seems so convinced and so keen... so any wise nuts possessing any reliable piece of information regarding these companies, care to share more (e boons and banes) on them? i jux dun want my fren to get cheated by such scammers, that is if they happen to be one, that's all/ -
whats the use of telling you more info when you already thinking that networking is a scam and networking companies are scammer.
go home boy. -
i said that mlm capitalizes on relationships... and many of them are scammers
i didn't generalize by saying all of them are scammers
capitalizing on relationship doesn't mean they are scammers...
it's precisely cos it involves capitalizing on relationships that pple like you can become successful... (or are you really successful???)...
you don't have what it takes to become successful... bt you became successful (if you really r bt i doubt it) after capitalizing on relationships... -
one characteristic of a sucessful person is to stop doing childish things such as flaming.. yeah and i do hope that you will save some dignity for yourself... and the first step is to stop replying to every of my posts by flaming..
even if you do not happen to have any dignity....don't "poison" the industry by flaming... it only goes to show that mlmers resort nt to persuasion but to flaming... the reputation of the industry is already bad enuff,.. and you are nt doing anything to salvage the situation either... -
Heard that DW and AMH is merging or co-partnership , call newmag ?? DW alway use AMH office for their seminar. sound like DW going to give up their Apex tower and shift to carpenter street ?? i thought DW alway say that they want to open 50 outlet in apex tower using their so call francise systemOriginally posted by devoid05:hmmss... what abt astral mag and venture era? anyone hv any idea abt the relationship between these two companies... what's the relationship between DW, AMH and VE?? what's the credibilty like? is it sound?
by the way , i never heard b4 that francise company all squeeze into one area ( Apex Tower ) eg.. All Shell Petrol or Macdonalds outlet total 50 outlet all open at takashimaya .. sound weird right
How to earn $$$ ...??? when all squeeze together..
Better think twice b4 u join ? -
Originally posted by nw_god:
Right on the bull's eye!
Better think twice b4 u join ? -
Dear CEO,
Please send me a message if interested. -
the new partnership is called newmag? i heard is either called astral warrior or dolphin mag ???Originally posted by NW_God:Heard that DW and AMH is merging or co-partnership , call newmag ?? DW alway use AMH office for their seminar. sound like DW going to give up their Apex tower and shift to carpenter street ?? i thought DW alway say that they want to open 50 outlet in apex tower using their so call francise system
by the way , i never heard b4 that francise company all squeeze into one area ( Apex Tower ) eg.. All Shell Petrol or Macdonalds outlet total 50 outlet all open at takashimaya .. sound weird right
How to earn $$$ ...??? when all squeeze together..
Better think twice b4 u join ? -
Infact all their car are 2nd hand.Originally posted by I love BMW:the new partnership is called newmag? i heard is either called astral warrior or dolphin mag ???
1st they will tell you they will buy a brand new car for you once hit target.
2nd All those hit their car incentive end-up the company buy 2nd hand car for them, and the worst thing is some are take over from their director car and end up they get to buy a better car
3rd all car montly installment have to pay by themslef on the COMPANY.
4th The company only help them pay the down payment and the monthly installment settle by themself. "Which now a brand new car on market don't really need a down payment.
5th Those merz are very old old model.
Anyway they only go out their and con ppl... so those out their better be carefull and read this forums offen. -
Another MLM member who is doing thing the wrong way (spending real effort to sell product).Originally posted by magnetic_seller:Dear CEO,
Please send me a message if interested.
How do you convince an outsider to buy a magnetic bedsheet for S$2000+ from you?
You should get (buy) one first and convince yourself that it is good.
(Treat the S$2000+ you sink in as investment)
(Do not worry too much that you will not use the magnetic bedsheet anymore after a week)
(Do not worry too much that when you do return the magnetic bedsheet to the company, you may probably not get to see your S$2000+ again anyway)
You should then go and convince your friends and relatives to sign on as MLM member then they have to "try" (buy) before he/she can claim it is good and start to convince their friends and relatives etc etc.
If you start to do it the wrong way (spending real effort to sell the product) you will burn out in no time. -
i have been workin wif them 4 2 mths,DW and i face no such problem. maybe itz because u ppl arent gd enuf, not able to generate sales tatz y they ask u to buy! losers! oh yea, i earned $1.6K in my 2nd mth..cheers 4 hard work!
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i earned $1.6K in my 2nd mth..cheers 4 hard work!
congratulation to u ya....
hope your 1.6K / mth will be consistent for the months to come
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Congratulation to you.Originally posted by ziggyboy:i earned $1.6K in my 2nd mth..cheers 4 hard work!
As a matter of interest, please do enlighten us how do you "generate sales" to achieve the profit of $1.6K?
How much sales ($5K?, $10K? $20K.....) you had made to achieve the profit of $1.6K?
Who had you sold the products to?
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Hi ziggyboy, I think it's not right of u to call us losers. I speculate u had no such problems perhaps bcos u have very kind friends and relatives who were generous enough to help u cough up a sales amount of $25,000. Cos the calculation for the commission is 8% of your sales and then a currency exchange of 0.8. and they seriously take away $400 for currency exchange from u if u had earned $1,600. From what I know, this currency exchange thing is a scam, cos the goods are not from Japan, so how did the exchange thingy come about?? Pls get back your "currency exchange" though.Originally posted by ziggyboy:i have been workin wif them 4 2 mths,DW and i face no such problem. maybe itz because u ppl arent gd enuf, not able to generate sales tatz y they ask u to buy! losers! oh yea, i earned $1.6K in my 2nd mth..cheers 4 hard work!
And if I am not wrong, most prob u would have reached AE stage rite? So good, its your turn to recruit people and make money for u. So do u tink its very easy for u to find people who can also generate 25,000 of sales for u a month? Perhaps, maybe 1 out of a 100.
Most importantly, what we are trying to put across here is not that we are jealous or envious of people making big bucks in MLM, and people like us who are losers, cant make it big, that's why we are "inputting negative thoughts" (sounds familiar huh??) I am sure u have heard this term no less than 10 times in DW. "Don't care about what people say, they are just jealous of what u are going to have. You continue to work hard and earn money, before 20 years old, u can drive a BMW!!!"
Lastly, I would like to reiterate that we are just telling people about the experience we have been through. You can choose to listen, u can choose to go ahead with what u want to do. I have been writing and commenting on this thread, because I felt really sad that no one gave me warnings about this company such that I have been so badly cheated. I supposed the people who have been actively commenting here, are not that free to come here and stop people from making biggg bucks.. We have better things to do.... If u are doing fine, then all the best to u. and I really think u must be quite a hardworking and determined person to get such a high commission. But pls remember if u are going to reach the top and recruit more people, pls dont cheat people... -
1.6k you made prolly gave the boss like 20k (considering 8% commision rate)Originally posted by ziggyboy:i have been workin wif them 4 2 mths,DW and i face no such problem. maybe itz because u ppl arent gd enuf, not able to generate sales tatz y they ask u to buy! losers! oh yea, i earned $1.6K in my 2nd mth..cheers 4 hard work!
thats 20k from friends / family whom you love/trusts you
like any other MLM ,only the very top benefits exponentially
the top would make you work hard to milk you and those around you of the cash
what did you make in the 1st month?
but why are you still satisfied ?
issit because of job security ? job oppurtunity? job hygiene?
i dun see any of the above in the company
ps : the christine in lady warrior is chio though
no wonder people can be charmed by her
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Just wondering, how long will Ziggyboys' relatives and friends (who love/trusts him) able to support the sale volume of $20k over long term.Originally posted by shoutcast:1.6k you made prolly gave the boss like 20k (considering 8% commision rate)
thats 20k from friends / family whom you love/trusts you
like any other MLM ,only the very top benefits exponentially
the top would make you work hard to milk you and those around you of the cash
If Ziggyboy pushes too hard he may lost their love/trusts. If Ziggyboy does not push, then his sale volume cannot be maintained over long term.
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to answer all ur qns, firstly i dun believe i'm cheatin my relatives..they told me they sleep better, my mum said her calves arent as painful in the morning n my grandma tells me tat she doesnt wake up as frequently as she did last time..she has athritis n i know the product helps. u hav to look at it positively! n btw, wad makes u tink DW is MLM? i c no evidence y it's MLM, we're like da insurance industry n even property, we get referrals frm our customers. i'm not cheating them of their money, i'm helping them find a way to solve their problems. wad pusehd me to go on was tat i received positive comments from my parents, relatives..it helps them a lot! maybe u had a realli bad exp wif em' cant say anythin bout tat..but rite now, itz all goin smooth 4 me..sales is a very enriching experience!
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Hi Ziggyboy, we are not saying their products is a total scam or whatever, the reason why I stayed there for 3 months though I was earning nothing is because I have tried using the product during a demonstration in the company. I myself could feel the effects, I didnt have any muscle strain after resting on it for an hour. Thats why I continued to push my friends and relatives to buy it. And in the end, my teacher bought 2 pillows from me, he didnt feel any effects at all and I strongly believe some people just couldnt feel anything, while some does. So as a result, I had to fork out my money to pay back my teacher becos he believed in what I said and supported me by buying from me.Originally posted by ziggyboy:to answer all ur qns, firstly i dun believe i'm cheatin my relatives..they told me they sleep better, my mum said her calves arent as painful in the morning n my grandma tells me tat she doesnt wake up as frequently as she did last time..she has athritis n i know the product helps. u hav to look at it positively! n btw, wad makes u tink DW is MLM? i c no evidence y it's MLM, we're like da insurance industry n even property, we get referrals frm our customers. i'm not cheating them of their money, i'm helping them find a way to solve their problems. wad pusehd me to go on was tat i received positive comments from my parents, relatives..it helps them a lot! maybe u had a realli bad exp wif em' cant say anythin bout tat..but rite now, itz all goin smooth 4 me..sales is a very enriching experience!
The thing is why u feel that u are doing nothing wrong (in fact u are doing nothing wrong) is because one thing about this job is that u can bring good health to ur relatives. But...
Have u ever thought what will happen to u if some of ur relatives who bought a $2K bed padding from u doesnt feel any effects? Are u sincere enough to pay them back on ur own? Or do u think DW will offer a refund!! IMPOSSIBLE!! Or will u just try to smoke ur way through and tell them they will feel effects after using it for a longer time? (That's how the DW people try to convince their unsatisfied customers)
Moreover, did they tell u the product is from Japan or that the company has got sth to do with Japan? Get this right, my upline once told me (after we have quitted) that all these goods are inferior goods from CHina, they only sent it for nice DW packaging then marking the price up. Original magnetotherapy goods from Japan is not like that...
If u have read my first post, I said that I went to the Small Claims Tribunal to file for a claim. At there, the manager he told the referree that the goods are not Japan, they didnt say it was from Japan and it has nothing to do with Japan. But the fact was that they did say its from Japan, Dw's signboard had a JAPAN word on it and ur deduction of 20% from ur pay is a currency exchange thingy for Japan goods. Arent they contradicting themselves??? This is PLAIN CHEATING u of ur hard-earned money!!!!! Can't u see how money-crazed they are?? They are just offering a small 8% of ur sales and they still want to cheat another 20% of ur miserable pay!!!!!!!!!
And I speculate that u have ard $25,000 worth of sales to date. Have ur relatives all receive their goods??? Did they tell u it will take a month? what if u cant get ALL of it in a month?? (which u most probably wun get) Go to Small Claims Tribunal?? Go to POLICE??? All this is not going to work because we have tried it and to no avail!
The main thing about DW's cheating which I have been talking about is that DW they dont deliver the goods to u on time!! and maybe a few months later u dun want to work already, they will make u stay on by not giving the goods. And if in the end, u have made up ur mind, to go against them openly by going to Small Claims Tribunal, they will play rough and there goes ur $25,000!!!! Just like me!! But I am better, I only have ard $2K!!
If this really happens to u, which I am worried about, what are u going to dO?? Cough up a $25,000 for ur relatives or will u just go against ur conscience and cheat ur relatives instead??!!!
Moreover, I think we trust the company's people too easily. $25,000! Do u have any idea how much is it?? How can u trust ur upline so easily that u can give them ur $25,000 and u think ur few pieces of invoice is good enough to ask back the money if anything happens!!!???
All this happened to me!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi ziggyboy, may I know which Joint Venture are u from?? thks...
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http://www.nwlink.com/~donclark/hrd/history/hawthorne.html
this is the reason why they have any improvements at all
its known as "hawthorne" effect
if you dun wanna read
the summary of it is , watched by other people , even if by right no benefit , you will also strive to think that there is some benefit
hey i never tell you to quit DW group
go ahead and work there
maybe they will buy you a porche boxster -
Alamak.. Afterall, to sum up.. DW Group is cheating company who sucks pple money and cheat pple's trust and everything.. it's is just another sucking MLM Company.. so why bother?
pple still haven't wake up one or still in the company, let them dream, dream until one day the company suck them dry, they'll weke up themselves one.. So why bother? Life is full of this kind of stupid stuffs esp with existence of DW Group.. so why bother? The Management in there also sucks la.. all their plans never come true one, they are just one selfish bunch of pple... -
1st - DW is a MLM company.Originally posted by ziggyboy:to answer all ur qns, firstly i dun believe i'm cheatin my relatives..they told me they sleep better, my mum said her calves arent as painful in the morning n my grandma tells me tat she doesnt wake up as frequently as she did last time..she has athritis n i know the product helps. u hav to look at it positively! n btw, wad makes u tink DW is MLM? i c no evidence y it's MLM, we're like da insurance industry n even property, we get referrals frm our customers. i'm not cheating them of their money, i'm helping them find a way to solve their problems. wad pusehd me to go on was tat i received positive comments from my parents, relatives..it helps them a lot! maybe u had a realli bad exp wif em' cant say anythin bout tat..but rite now, itz all goin smooth 4 me..sales is a very enriching experience!
to answer your question g to to this web site, http://www.dsas.org.sg/dsas/Html/afterlogin.htm
If they are not reg inside then they are in big trouble, you can check the "Singapore Law" DW is a full MLM company. cos they earn the money from the agent stright up to the boss.
2nd - Have you sign and black and white? once you are employee as a agent or full time staff atleast must have a black and white from the company saying you are working there. The reson they never give is they can cover their own ASS. if you don;t believe you can check with the other guys working there, have they sign anything?
3rd - If their product are so good why not sell them to dealer... like OSIM. Please open your eyes and ears... take a good look from outside the skin.
Where got a company ask ppl to work and no black and white on their pay out or other term...