DW Group & EastWing Group - My Experience
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Hi everyone,
I would just like to share my experience with this company DW Group - KCG Holdings or otherwise now known as EastWing Group. I joined DW Group - KCG Holdings in Dec 2003 located at Apex Tower Tanjong Pagar. In early 2004, KCG Holdings "ventured" out from DW Group and became known as EastWing Group now located at a shophouse at Neil Road, just opposite Cantonment Police Complex.
I dare to say my working experience in EastWing Group is a really bad experience coz I got cheated a few thousand dollars worth of goods, the infamous health wise mattress worth near $2K each.
Actually I can tell everyone, the product itself is NOT a scam, because magnetotherapy is rather established in other countries, just that some local companies are actually selling at a very high price, of course thats the way these companies have to survive.
Well at that time, me and my so-called downline we sold quite a number of goods and as u all know, we have to pay the amount to the management and they promise to give us the goods in one months time. However, we quitted in early March, coz we were really so broke, and we realized that we could not survive in this so-called toughest trade. You can say that we were poor sales personnel, we did not have the skills to survive there. Well, I admit it cos I am glad I did not possess such "surviving" skills.
I sold a few pillows to my friend and when I quitted I didnt clear all my stocks. When we called the company to ask for the goods, the manager would tried to delay giving us the stocks. Finally, me and my colleague we managed to force the manager to write us an agreement, stipulating by the agreed time, if they couldnt give the goods, we will report to the police. We even got his fingerprint on the agreement.
In the end, they couldnt produce the goods, and this is actually something which I find quite fishy.. I am really not sure why when we have already paid the full amount, we still couldnt get our goods. The reason given by the manager was the supplier delayed the goods. When I asked the manager for the supplier's no, he IMMEDIATELY changed the topic saying that I shouldnt do this... blah blah blah...
The next week, my colleague and I we reported the case to the police and the Small Claims Tribunal. We won the case at the SCT and they were supposed to give us back our $2K last month, but up till now we havent get our $$ back. The worst thing is, I had to fork out my own $$ to pay back my friend cos apparently she felt cheated by me for asking her to get their products. By the way, there is no use reporting it to the police, cos they will just take down ur statement and in 2 weeks, they will just write u a letter saying that this is a civilian case, they cant do anything.The managers say they have no $$, but 2 of them are driving BMWs, one of which is a BMW convertible.
I have to say I am really STUPID, GULLIBLE and NAIVE to have joined the company. I am NOT saying that MLM companies are all cheaters, they are not! but its really my luck for me to have joined EastWing Group. SUbsequently I found a job elsewhere where I get an hourly wage. I do agree that I have learnt quite a lot of presentation skills from my sales job, but u can still learn alot of things elsewhere from other jobs. If MLM really doesnt work for u, just leave. And it is really not suitable for just anyone out there. My new job is quite satisfactory cos I get more benefits over there, if the management did not cheat me of my $$, I would not be here typing so long to share my experience.
The manager once told our staff, you should always try to CONvince someone, when u cant convince, u try to CONfuse, if not, u try to CONtroll them with ur words. If all fails, u will CON them.
I am here not to say any bad about MLM, network marketing or the Japan Life mattresses. My experience with EastWing Group nearly costs me my family, my friends, and my entire savings which is quite precious to a teenager.
There are many ways for u to succeed, u can do so through MLM too but of course there's a lot for u to learn. I am really regretful that there was no one to tell me their experience, thats why I got cheated by this company. I hope all of u out there will really be careful in choosing which MLM company u all join or will join.
* MLM is definitely a good way for u to expand ur investment, believers of MLM are actually very hardworking and determined ppl whom we should respect. BUt my advice is join MLM ONLY if u are at the TOP of the pyramid, otherwise you have to work hard to make $$ for those at the top. -
Question
I know a lot of companies deviate from one parent company, but seems all are selling health mattress and same selling tactics.
AMH, DW, now this EW, Asayo etc etc
Is this one large enron-like network of companies in SG? -
Hi,
I only know the Director of DW Group is formerly from Asayo, cos he got quite a lot of promoting info from Asayo which bears the Asayo logo. The KCG director is under the Director of DW Group, but apparently they had some disputes in their business dealings, therefore, my director he ventured out to start his own EastWing Group.
I cant say anything about DW Group, but I can say EastWing group's Director is not a good person. He actually cheated his staff's money to expand his business. -
hmm.. seem like theses companies are cheating people money.
remember the newspaper articles about DW? now EastWing also doing the same thing as DW... is it a conspiracy? -
Precisely, I was thinking , even breaking off from parent companies shld have some variations in management style, selling tactics, products, etc etcOriginally posted by I love BMW:hmm.. seem like theses companies are cheating people money.
remember the newspaper articles about DW? now EastWing also doing the same thing as DW... is it a conspiracy?
After one break from another, and the third break from the second, still same
Selling mainly mattresses
High pressure selling tactics
Failure to deliver good or income
Target gullible teenagers
Shifting of office location often
Sounds familiar? Been repeated no matter what company they are...
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Yup, from what I know seems that DW Group is one of the very few MLM companies which have got negative reports on the papers about them.. Actually EastWing Group was originally from DW Group, the way they run is quite similar but the products they sell is slightly different cos EW got a different supplier now.. But whatever it is, I urge all people to stay away from both companies.. hope no one will follow my footsteps... Thks!
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Ok let try to see the link
EW Group broke off from DW Group
DW Group broke off from Asayo (if the post I read is right)
Anyone can tell abt AMH and Venture Era? -
Hi, can I check with you is AMH = Astra Mag??
From what I know, there should be no link between Venture Era and Astra Mag to DW & EW Group. Cos I haven heard of the people in DW & EW talk about Venture Era and Astra Mag...
But obviously, people saw the money they could earn if they started their own company and position themselves at the top of the pyramid rather than slog for the top.
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Asayo now become Joint Venture liaoz....sama sama anot?Originally posted by laurence82:Ok let try to see the link
EW Group broke off from DW Group
DW Group broke off from Asayo (if the post I read is right)
Anyone can tell abt AMH and Venture Era? -
Firstly, something must be wrong with ur pc or server bah, i see many urls in between words.Originally posted by lhx_kaze:Hi, can I check with you is AMH = Astra Mag??
From what I know, there should be no link between Venture Era and Astra Mag to DW & EW Group. Cos I haven heard of the people in DW & EW talk about Venture Era and Astra Mag...
But obviously, people saw the money they could earn if they started their own company and position themselves at the top of the pyramid rather than slog for the top. 
Btw, i gather there must be some link becos of some topics posted in here some time ago. At least one of them is erased.
Some people just discuss about some links here and there.
Might be rumours tho
Btw, yes AMH is Astral Mag. -
Hmm, nope.Originally posted by pipi & poot-poot:Asayo now become Joint Venture liaoz....sama sama anot? -
~Ooooh~ maybe sumone wud start a coy 2 make dem sel over-priced stuff 2 each other! keke....Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, nope. -
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Exp, is it possible for you to list down the names of parent companies and breakaway companies? So that we can see the link.ThanxOriginally posted by Experienced:Hi lxh,
Sorry to hear you have such bad experience. I am sure not all MLM Companies are bad or difficult to survive in, just that you joined a bad Company.
I like to highliight here on Companies that changed name and give all sort of excuses, it means they know they already have a bad reputation. Many people still remember about DW in the newspapers. I already mentioned before that they will move away from Apex so people will not realise it is the same Company. Changing name is even cleaner. We should all tell our friends and post it in more forums to caution the public.
You did a great job by posting your story. I am sure your lesson is well worth for your future. Keep it up !! -
Hey people.. i heard from my frd that DW and East Wing group is actually the same.. the sales that East Wing earns comes under DW. The reason is because, many pple have heard a lot og negative things of DW, therefore, to counter this problem, the so called founder suggested openine another new company and 'cheat' people.. they are actually the same.. How can a small venture can come out of their own?
It's actually one company and that is DW. it's just that they can't earn money now.. in the past got a lot of holdings, like Lady Warrior, Ice blah blah blah.. now all 'close' down liao... So pple, pls don be cheated by them.. -
I have a suggestion here.. i was formerly from DW.. those who were 'cheated' by DW.. i was thinking if we could join forces (though i know it's difficult) and file a report to the police... This is serious.. not getting back ur money, i have the same experience and i think those who had will also want to kinda fight back.. we've been talking here and why not we can join forces and file a report, i don't know if it works, but we can AT LEAST warn the public about this.. through Newspapers.. etc...
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Just want to figure out the links.Originally posted by Experienced:82,
Why would you want their names ? I think we can trust from those posts that DW used another name, thats the point. Don't care about the names, many people used other's names in business ? It's common.
The point is they knew they are having bad reputation or problem. All excuses and reasons can be made up, don't simply believe in it. -
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Ok then..how abt...urm..how to tell if a company will collapse soon? Any pointers?Originally posted by Experienced:Hi 82,
Lets not waste time check the links. Once we confirm the Company is no good, leave it aside. Lets spend more useful time on the other Companies. -
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Hi Exp
I am glad to help, but I am not sure how much I can help, since I only seen this industry from aug last year, so my knowledge on this is just barely scratching the surface i guess. -
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Ok, Pm u liao.Originally posted by Experienced:Hi 82,
I have seen many of your posts and find understandings and style of writings suitable. I don't need your knowledge of the business. I need a co-writer who can understand what I want and the business to write for me as I don't have the time and my English is no good for a book. I will give all the points.
Of course, we need to meet up to discuss it.
How about it ? Either of us leave a contact here if you are keen. -
writing a book? or an excuse to meet people out so that you can slowly brainwash him and recruit him?