Good Products!
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My friend spent $500 for buying the products in forever living and became a member of this company and I used the items too and found not bad. Last time I got backache and I used one of the lotion after few months my pain gone and it may be effective on some people and on me but may not be suitable for everyone, I am satisfied on their products. No harm on giving it a try!
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no company name, no product name, hence, no purchase possible ......
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Many of the mlm products are good though some of them might expensive. Which company's products did you mentioned?
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Hmm,
Not a bad idea to promote products here. -
if there was a yawn smiley... i wld use it rite bout now...
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For those who wan to know more bout wat the hell is Network Marketing, pls give urself some time to view the following URL
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http://www.mlm.ch/
(copy and paste it in ur link)
u will find answers to :
1) How Network Marketing, this biz concept comes about?
2) Why Network Marketing products so expensive?
3) Why are their products so good?
4) Why people mistaken it as pyramid scheme? etc
Find out more answers from there. Cheers~!
No matter what company u r from, lets not backstab each other since it does no good to the industry.
Why this industry is getting worse is due to blacksheep among these companies. Jus take a look at the newspaper for the past one month, alot of articles is focusing on NETWORK MARKETING, and they also teaches us how to prevent from bad companies. if u wan to know, read the straits times forum on MLM and chinese lianhezhaobao on last sunday 18/01/04.
Most imptly, its not the money that counts. Some need money as their motivation, some need cars as their motivation, some need to sit down relax doing nothing to get money.. but there are some here to know more new friends, some here to learn the skills tat a real networker can attain eg public speaking and communication skills, and some here to gain general knowledge since it is an industry with people from all works of life.
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very cheap way to do advertising.
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Not advertising but sharing...
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haha.. dun have to twist your words. your intention is very clear... advertising.
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I am not the member of this company and I am not selling any products. It is up to your judgement...Originally posted by Alex Wong:haha.. dun have to twist your words. your intention is very clear... advertising. -
Hi Karen Wee
Could you ask your friend who is a distributor of Forever to contact me at
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hmm... do u have ur friend contact number? i'm quite interested to know more about the product.
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Hi,
Forever Living is one of the early healthfood by MLM to enter Malaysia but their US management are known to be very unscrupulous. They have changed distributor at least 3 times and finally market it on their own now. Everytime they changed management, their sales dropped, of course, and in Malaysia now, they normally share expense with their top distributors to rent retail space in shopping podiums to catch customers. They mostly target at youngsters to be dististributors now, the elderly ones are smart enough not to trust them. Remind me of DW !!
Can you imagine a MLM company doing marketing in such manner ? It only showed their product or their distributors dont move anymore !!
It's just Aloe Vera juice but they charged a fortune !! Most of their old customers turned to healthfood stores for cheaper ones. Why pay so high when you can buy cheaper for the same results ? -
Originally posted by Experienced:Hi,
Forever Living is one of the early healthfood by MLM to enter Malaysia but their US management are known to be very unscrupulous. They have changed distributor at least 3 times and finally market it on their own now. Everytime they changed management, their sales dropped, of course, and in Malaysia now, they normally share expense with their top distributors to rent retail space in shopping podiums to catch customers. They mostly target at youngsters to be dististributors now, the elderly ones are smart enough not to trust them. Remind me of DW !!
Can you imagine a MLM company doing marketing in such manner ? It only showed their product or their distributors dont move anymore !!
It's just Aloe Vera juice but they charged a fortune !! Most of their old customers turned to healthfood stores for cheaper ones. Why pay so high when you can buy cheaper for the same results ?
Wah, Amway, James Phang, Forever Living, Unicity kena tekan by you liao...
Actually, the points you have stated, hope you dont pinpoint it only to direct selling . Coz lousy products selling at high price, ineffective or unscrupulous management etc etc are rampant through out the corporate world. All companies, no matter what form, their goals are profit making in the end, so we shouldnt be assumming different level of business ethics for different industries, well, anyway, there are mountains of assumptions and myths in every facet of our life already.
Urm, regarding FL and Unicity, dont wanna comment, except heard their Aloe Vera Juice is good, but I was thinking ,and these are my thoughts...
a) Would the difference in price due to several crucial factors, like different potency in ingredients used, quality manufacturing practices, absorption rate guaranteed etc etc, its like abalone, different grade produce distinctive price levels. I agreed with someone once said to me, some of the best products are in direct selling companies, you just gotta find them....
b) Hmm, how to dicern unscrupulous and quality biz management team. Like in this forum, some are based on hearsays, rumours, close contacts with the management etc, how to sift out rumours from the hard truth. Some were like reputation and things one had done, like what James Phang did in Malaysia, how about the rest??
Urm *headache,headache* arghhh
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The premium paid for products distributed by some good MLM could be the elimination of cheap harmful ingredients (used in personal care or hair care products which are usually available to the general public) such as
1) Sodium laurel sulphate or sodium laureth sulphate (SLS)
SLS are used in car wash soaps, garage floor cleaners and engine degreasers.
SLS is common detergents used to create foam in most shampoos (including "no tears" baby shampoos), bubble baths, shower gels and even toothpaste
SLS builds up in the eyes, brain, heart and liver. “SLS stays in the body for up to 5 days,” according to American College of Toxicity Reports.
(2) Propylene glycol (also called Propanediol)
Propylene glycol is the cosmetic form of mineral oil found in automatic break fluid, hydraulic fluid and industrial antifreeze.
Propylene glycol is used in hair conditioners, deodorants, cosmetics, skincare products and toothpaste.
It is implicated in kidney damage and liver abnormalities. (according to the Material Safety Data Sheet)
For more details on other harmful ingredients, referes to the book- The Safe Shoppers Bible by Dr Samuel Epstein, author and research Scientist. -
Originally posted by health_toxinfree:
Hey thanks for the info, btw, where can I find this book by Dr Samuel? Thanks.
The premium paid for products distributed by some good MLM could be the elimination of cheap harmful ingredients (used in personal care or hair care products which are usually available to the general public) such as
[b]1) Sodium laurel sulphate or sodium laureth sulphate (SLS)
SLS are used in car wash soaps, garage floor cleaners and engine degreasers.
SLS is common detergents used to create foam in most shampoos (including "no tears" baby shampoos), bubble baths, shower gels and even toothpaste
SLS builds up in the eyes, brain, heart and liver. “SLS stays in the body for up to 5 days,” according to American College of Toxicity Reports.
(2) Propylene glycol (also called Propanediol)
Propylene glycol is the cosmetic form of mineral oil found in automatic break fluid, hydraulic fluid and industrial antifreeze.
Propylene glycol is used in hair conditioners, deodorants, cosmetics, skincare products and toothpaste.
It is implicated in kidney damage and liver abnormalities. (according to the Material Safety Data Sheet)
For more details on other harmful ingredients, referes to the book- The Safe Shoppers Bible by Dr Samuel Epstein, author and research Scientist.
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You could borrow the book from the library.
Another book that is worth readiing is :
-The mind game by Philip Day.
The author lists the Chemical Toxins that are present in personal care and household products. -
waste money ...Originally posted by Karen Wee:My friend spent $500 for buying the products in forever living and became a member of this company and I used the items too and found not bad. Last time I got backache and I used one of the lotion after few months my pain gone and it may be effective on some people and on me but may not be suitable for everyone, I am satisfied on their products. No harm on giving it a try! -
Toxin ingredients are found in the Forever Living personal care products
I just purchased the following Forever Living personal products and discovered they contain some toxin chemicals which may be carcinogen (cancer-causing). Therefore, I will stick to my Neways and Newlife products which are cancer-free products.
1) Forever Bright Aloe Vera Toothgel (4.6 oz)- S$13.46
(a) Sodium Lauryl Sulfate - SLS builds up in the brain, heart and liver. A single drop stays in the brain and body for a few days. New health and longevity, Doctor's worry: Is your baby safe? By David L. Kern./ The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day.(pg 244)
(b) Sodium Saacharin - May be carcinogens. (cancer causing agents) The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist.(pg 193)
- Suggested alternative use:
(i) Neways Radiance Ultrashine Toothpaste (175g) – S$16.20
(ii) Newlife El-Natural Toothpaste (100g) – S$7.80
2) Forever Aloe Styling Gel (8 fl oz) – S$26.912)
(a) Triethanolamine and Acetamide MEA- May be carcinogens. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist (pg 188-189)/ The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day.(pg 246)
3) Aloe Bath Gelee (8.5 fl oz) – S$25.88
(a) Cocamida DEA & Lauramide DEA- A detergent (wetting agent). The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day, pg 246
- May be carcinogens.
Has been linked with kidney, liver and other organ damage. Severe eye and mild skin irritant. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist.(pg 189) The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day, pg 246. http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/cosmetics.htm
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(b) Propylene Glycol - Mineral oil found in industrial antifreeze and brake fluid.
- Can cause kidney damage and liver abnormalities. (according to the Material Safety Data Sheet) The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day, pg 245.
(c) DMDM Hydantoin- Can weaken the immune system and even cause cancer. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist (pg 188, 28
(d) FD & C Yellow No. 5 and Blue No. 1- Carcinogen when ingested and applied to skin. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist, pg 191, 218, 221.
- Suggested alternative use:
Neways Indulge Bubble Bath (250ml) – S$18.70
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hi karen. i appreciate your forthrightness in your promotion of the products you believe in. most mlm people refuse to reveal their company name on the 1st introduction outside their office building. the problem is you are required to buy in order to maintain your membership regardless of whether you close sales. which is very taxing to members. how's your sales so far? i trust you still have your friends because at least you don't cheat them into going to Tg Pagar unlike Astralmag members.Originally posted by Karen Wee:My friend spent $500 for buying the products in forever living and became a member of this company and I used the items too and found not bad. Last time I got backache and I used one of the lotion after few months my pain gone and it may be effective on some people and on me but may not be suitable for everyone, I am satisfied on their products. No harm on giving it a try! -
Originally posted by health_toxinfree:
WIll it be a better choice to list what are in Neways and Newlife's products comparing those in Forever Living ones?
[b]Toxin ingredients are found in the Forever Living personal care products
I just purchased the following Forever Living personal products and discovered they contain some toxin chemicals which may be carcinogen (cancer-causing). Therefore, I will stick to my Neways and Newlife products which are cancer-free products.
1) Forever Bright Aloe Vera Toothgel (4.6 oz)- S$13.46
(a) Sodium Lauryl Sulfate - SLS builds up in the brain, heart and liver. A single drop stays in the brain and body for a few days. New health and longevity, Doctor's worry: Is your baby safe? By David L. Kern./ The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day.(pg 244)
(b) Sodium Saacharin - May be carcinogens. (cancer causing agents) The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist.(pg 193)
- Suggested alternative use:
(i) Neways Radiance Ultrashine Toothpaste (175g) – S$16.20
(ii) Newlife El-Natural Toothpaste (100g) – S$7.80
2) Forever Aloe Styling Gel (8 fl oz) – S$26.912)
(a) Triethanolamine and Acetamide MEA- May be carcinogens. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist (pg 188-189)/ The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day.(pg 246)
3) Aloe Bath Gelee (8.5 fl oz) – S$25.88
(a) Cocamida DEA & Lauramide DEA- A detergent (wetting agent). The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day, pg 246
- May be carcinogens.
Has been linked with kidney, liver and other organ damage. Severe eye and mild skin irritant. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist.(pg 189) The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day, pg 246. http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/cosmetics.htm
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(b) Propylene Glycol - Mineral oil found in industrial antifreeze and brake fluid.
- Can cause kidney damage and liver abnormalities. (according to the Material Safety Data Sheet) The ABCÂ’s of Disease, Philip Day, pg 245.
(c) DMDM Hydantoin- Can weaken the immune system and even cause cancer. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist (pg 188, 28
(d) FD & C Yellow No. 5 and Blue No. 1- Carcinogen when ingested and applied to skin. The safe shopperÂ’s bible, Dr Epstein Samuel S. & David Steinman, author and research Scientist, pg 191, 218, 221.
- Suggested alternative use:
Neways Indulge Bubble Bath (250ml) – S$18.70
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It'll be better for people to understand why choose this and not that.
Most chemicals are no good to body and health in long term. Some are harmless in very small amount. Whether will it result in cancers, etc, it'll depend on other factors too. In addition, when purchasing food or supplements, please check too. Consumption is more deadly than application.
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Cancer arises from a single cell that has become abnormal & that multiples & multiples until a solid mass of tissues or a tumour is formed.
[b]While cancer cannot kill as suddenly as heart attack or stroke, by the time it is usually discovered the internal damage to vital organs is greater[/b], so that far sterner measures are required to reverse it. It is easier to clear blocking arteries by diet than it is to clear a malignant growth
Cancer is not a disease that you get overnight through usage of toxin chemicals in personal care products. These toxins enter your life in the form of mineral oil, emulsifiers, solvents, synthetic colours and artificial fragrance, and they accumulate over time, thus increase your risk of getting cancer.
Below are the ingredients of the suggested alternative products:
(1) Newlife El-Natural Toothpaste
Chalk, Vegetable Glycerine, Irish Moss, Bee Propolis, Methol, Spearmint Oil, Teatree Oil, Peppermint Oil, Fennel Oil, Coconut Oil Extract, Licorice Root Extract & Chlorophyll.
(2) Neways Ultrashine Radiance Toothpaste
Ingredients: Sorbitol, Purified Water, Hydrated Silica, Sodium Coco Sulfate, Xylitol, Peppermint Oil, Calcium Glycerophosphate, Cellulose Gum, Stabilized Chlorine Dioxide, Micellar Casein, Sucralose, Chlorophyllin-Copper Complex.
[b](3) Neways Indulge Bubble Bath[/b]
Ingredients: Purified water, sodium C14-16 olefin sulfonate, cocamidopropyl hydroxysultaine, sodium isostearoyl lactylate, sodium C12-15 pareth-15 sulfonate, aromatic fragrance, ammonium chloride, spiraea ulmaria extract, humuluslupulus (hops) extract, chomomilla recutita (matricaria) extract, laurus nobilis leaf extract, methylchloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone.
Comparing against some of the toxin chemicals in Forever products:
(i) Forever Bright Aloe Vera Toothgel
Ingredients: Stabilized Aloe Vera Gel, Sorbitol, Hydreated Silica, Glycerin,[b] Sodium Lauryl Sulfate[/b], Carrageenan, Flavor, Bee Propolis, Sodium Saccharin, Sodium Benzoate, Chlorophyllin-Copper Complex.
(ii) Forever Aloe Styling Gel
Ingredients:
Stabilized Aloe Vera Gel, PVP/VA Copolymer, Polyquaternium-11, Triethanolamine, Glycerin, Carbomer, Benzophenone-4, Acetamide MEA, Pathenol, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Hydrolyzed Mucopolysaccharids, Linoleic Acid/Linolenic Acid, Hyaluronic Acid, Sorbitol, Wheat Germ, Oil, Jojoba Oil, Tocopherol, Cyclomethicone, Dimethicone Copolyolm Ascorbic Acid, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben, Diazolidinyl Urea, Fragrance.
(iii) Aloe Bath Gelee
Ingredients : Stabilized Aloe Vera Gel, DI Water, Amonium Laruyl Sulfate, Amonium Laureth Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Cocamide DEA, Lauramide DEA, Ivy Extract, Spiraea Extract, Clematis Extract, Bladderwrack Extract, Horsetail Extract, Propylene Glycol, Glycerin, Sodium Chloride, Ascrobic Acid, DMDM Hydantoin, Fragrance, FD&C Yellow No. 5, FD&C Blue No. 1.