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One of the phenomenon I mentioned earlier. My firend who knows about scams offer to help me check out. He said he would ask the agent to help him pay for his account first as "he had no money".Originally posted by stevie_wonder:Oh! If i'm not wrong, The nti agent paid for u to open acc first rite? then after that when u earn money then u have to pay them back... Cuz i ever went down and they r willingly to open for me the acc first without paying... but of cuz got return back the $$$ once i earn $$$
If the agent offers to help pay first, then the scheme is dubious.
Now honestly, I have not gotten out of my friend what is the reasoning behind this. Doesnt mean any agent of any company offers to pay for first account has dubious scheme, just that only my friend would have an answer to why he would employ this method.
Surprisingly, stevie wonder also mention this phenomena, along many other I had been thinking about and tried to reason out for myself the casue behind these. -
Originally posted by Co--7:
Kaoz where you disappeared to man?
Woah!! Haven't been back here to check out for a long time... Didn't know that so many ppl are going against NTI!!! And I've read Dennis Post! [b]Hey Dennis!!! Bring that Company down man!!! I can't wait to see the show...
Hey! Stevie_wonder... Experienced the Brain-washing yeah? 
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So does GHOST, ang ku kueh...........
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Yeah co--7! I nearly got brain washed by that company... But good things is i always remind myself "There's no easy $$$ in this world" hahaha...
"One should stand on his own"
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I hope I'm wrong, but I guess u've been brainwashed.Originally posted by ^lobang^:come have u all tried the product there? guess some of you never rite??
y said its not worth the price from ur point of view?? if ntiparis really can't earn... i dun know these few months where my $$$ came from???
juz to let u know tat the forum u read from ST...izzit abt everyone in the coy...which means the female's frz tats ask the female to go down and force her to join is a wrong way.
how come i dun have ppl tat join me complain but her onli... this coy can't have fault... but the fault lies in the pax itself. i have never cheat any 1 or even force any 1 to join my coy...
so at the end of the day sorry for bad experience.
lastly...would u all jump- down fm 22nd floor for $288??? macdonalds does networking... how come i dun see u all complain abt it???
I'm one of those newbs unfortunate enough to have been... erm.. *persuaded* to join NTI but fortunately have been able to remain clear headed to escape their brainwashing.
Yeah the pple down there will paint a beautiful scenario of ur future should u join them: freedom of time, loads of money, free cars, free trips. So u dream for a while. Then they grab a peice of paper and show u how ur money can grow by geometric progression to obscene sums if only u will join them. Except that they forgot to tell u the no of pple needed to join under u grows by the same geometirc progression too. So after just 22 levels everyone in singapore including LKY n the expatriates would have join too.
Shortly after they've siphoned away ur money, their hu2 li2 wei3 ba1 start to show.
"Psst... u r new to this ya noe... so dun go around tell ur fren that we r mlm company... else they all scared will run away... u noe lah a few years back got some pyramid scheme company, make us mlm company lose reputation... so if u tell pple we mlm u surely cannot get anybody to join... so u tell them u have a special business opportunity for them... a new type of e-biz thing... if they still not convinced u can tell them (a certain reputable bank) is providing our e-banking services... but remember dun tell them too much cos u still new mah, so may tell them wrong info..."
So i went home feeling kinda wierd. If u r really so good then why u wanna hide info from potential agents? Nevertheless being a good agent i must spread the gospel and get my frens to grab this exciting opportunity and make $$$ b4 it slips away, even though i'm beginning to have doubts. So being unconvinced myself,i tried to convinve a camp mate to join the organisation. I'm thankful i didn't sound confidant at all, cos my fren asked me many qns and i eventually spilled the beans. He told me the products sounded familiar and brought in the same product to show me on the next bookin.
"Yup, that's the aromatherpy thingy. How much u got it for hah?"
"This is my uncle one. He got it for about $120 but i not sure where he got it"
I coughed up $288 for that thing.
Nevermind. Let's give nti a chance. So i went to attend a ceremony to reward all those agents that have done well, prior to which i joined a sharing session with some lao jiaos.
"When somebody asks u a qns, u must answer him in the most unexpected way... for example he asks, 'Will the company collapse or not?' u dun answer him no. instead u ask him back, 'Will microsoft collapse or not?' Then he will be taken aback and u can continue on... The most important thing is to make sure u answer him in unexpected manners n keep talking so he will feel confused n gong gong... once u can get him down to our office, we will surely be able to get him to join..."
I listened in disbelief.
Anyway, we all trudged into a room to attend the ceremony soon afterwards. The ceremony make the top agents seem like heroes and the host will keep asking the audience "ta1 men2 shuai4 bu4 shuai4 ya1?" n the audience will echo loud loud "shuai4!!!" (btw the pple there seems to have a fetish for mandarin. somehow it's their official language...)
What's more, the hero frenzy is fed by bright n colourful lights, loud music and NTI anthem(??!!) MTV. Seems like somebody still remembers Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Geobbel favourite trick in the 30s is torchlight procession. Sick.
Not to say that pple have been forced or tricked into joining the alliance, but the agents themselves r so thoroughly brainwashed they dun what they r doing. All day long they can only dream of how to get more pple to join their club, yet never a second to think of how to sell the products. I seriously wonder if any of the agents actually sold the product at $288.
Now u noe where all ur $$$ come from? Look down ur line. ALL ur $$$ comes from those pple below u who have paid their $288 worth of share. Logic will tell u someday this cannot continue and someone down ur line will be stuck with $288 product that is only worth $120 and there's noway he can recoup his losses cos there's just no one left to recruit. Simple maths will tell u just how big this pool of losers will be. But who cares? u've made ur $$$.
And about the macdonald thing. They r not only mad about getting pple to open up more franchise, they r also mad about advertising their products and getting pple to eat their burgers. N pple have to eat everyday. Do YOU use aromatherapy everyday? Even if u do, will u pay $288 to buy a kit n $50 every week for a bottle of essential oil?
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Well said TroddenJaw ! All nti ppl or the agent are blinded by the $$$ & benfits offered by the company.
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One thing i would like to share with u all... I got one friend of mine who had joined nti for the past one month. She told me this company is really very good. The agent always give inspirations & quotes which will boast her confident. hahaha... Which i think is full of rubbish! & more like a brainwashed session. The worst part is whenever there is any occasion like, members birthday or watever... the agent will said something like "Think of wat u have done in the past then... blah blah... " and those members around there will become emotional and some will even cry!!!! can u imagine that??!! Wah... I'm wondering did the company practise cult??
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brainwashed fu(ktards....
they hav bizarre, awkward ways in doing things...god knows y...
anthem?! prize-giving cermonies?! shouting enthusiastically at pple on stage in mandarin?! what the...? u call this a job?
loads of free time to njoy but still able to get $$ going into ur pocket? where? i see my frnz still working their butts off...slogging more than half a day in their office.
crap load....
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Hey trodden jaw,
where can you find the same products for $120, and does all of $288 goes towards the products? And what are the purchases you made in order to join this company?Thanz -
tks TroddenJaw for ur advice.. i will tink abt it. actually i m not brainwashed. i know wat i m doing... serious... fm the 1st day till now did i say it was gd???
guess not rite? i juz tink tat i have been working under many f&b coy b4 AND VERY TU LANG THE WAY THE BOSS HANDLE the staff problem...
they dun even care abt staff.
all they know is if u dun want to do i can get a better and cheaper staff.
at the end of the day, i say fm now till the near future shld all those tat didnt have cert. shld work for ppl forever???
plus the product u mention...brought for 120.. pls let the coy leaders know...as we can sue the fellow tat sold the product for tat type of price... -
Hmm, seriously you believe a lot in this company....then let me tell you one thing, James Phang cannot afford to bring his company to public eyes, especially with the recent news. I expect to see some maneuvering in the company soon......so dont expect JP to sue the git who sold the products for different price, he seriously wouldnt want to be in the news already.Originally posted by ^lobang^:tks TroddenJaw for ur advice.. i will tink abt it. actually i m not brainwashed. i know wat i m doing... serious... fm the 1st day till now did i say it was gd???
guess not rite? i juz tink tat i have been working under many f&b coy b4 AND VERY TU LANG THE WAY THE BOSS HANDLE the staff problem...
they dun even care abt staff.
all they know is if u dun want to do i can get a better and cheaper staff.
at the end of the day, i say fm now till the near future shld all those tat didnt have cert. shld work for ppl forever???
plus the product u mention...brought for 120.. pls let the coy leaders know...as we can sue the fellow tat sold the product for tat type of price... -
hey lobang! As u'll saying u have been working F&B and other for many years and now u decided not to work for ppl... So now may i ask who are u working for?
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Kaoz where you disappeared to man?
lol!!! Guess the rest had the same thinking as me, 'most probably' to get out from here for awhile and see whos next to be hooked into that "Eiffel Tower" company...
So does GHOST, ang ku kueh........... lol!!! now I'm back to see whether anything had happened so far, as I can see Two person in here already had got onto the "Titanic" and waiting for sailors to save them before the Ship SINK... So lawrence82 how far will the passenger be able to hang onto the "SINKING SHIP"? lol!!!! -
lol!!! Guess the rest had the same thinking as me, 'most probably' to get out from here for awhile and see whos next to be hooked into that "Eiffel Tower" company... lol!!! now I'm back to see whether anything had happened so far, as I can see Two person in here already had got onto the "Titanic" and waiting for sailors to save them before the Ship SINK... So lawrence82 how far will the passenger be able to hang onto the "SINKING SHIP"? lol!!!!
oops... somthing wrong with the posting... lol! -
Sheese, co-7 u gotta come in often...must be not used to sgforums your hand misqued liao heheheOriginally posted by Co--7:lol!!! Guess the rest had the same thinking as me, 'most probably' to get out from here for awhile and see whos next to be hooked into that "Eiffel Tower" company... lol!!! now I'm back to see whether anything had happened so far, as I can see Two person in here already had got onto the "Titanic" and waiting for sailors to save them before the Ship SINK... So lawrence82 how far will the passenger be able to hang onto the "SINKING SHIP"? lol!!!!
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hahaha!!! Exactly... anyway so far, Dennis have been planning to take action, so do you think that that "TITANIC" will sink? lol!!!
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Ever watch the movie "Catch Me If You Can"?Originally posted by Co--7: hahaha!!! Exactly... anyway so far, Dennis have been planning to take action, so do you think that that "TITANIC" will sink? lol!!! -
co--7! I believe this titanic ship will sink within one year time.
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As i said, even my fren didn't know where his uncle got it from... Will need to find out more from him.Originally posted by laurence82:Hey trodden jaw,
where can you find the same products for $120, and does all of $288 goes towards the products? And what are the purchases you made in order to join this company?Thanz
The $288 is for u to open up an account plus to get:
1) a 500ml of essential oil from LORENZ DE PARIS
2) a big aroma diffuser
3) a small aroma diffuser
I believe most of the $288 goes to the product -- how much do u need for admin fee?
In the mean time i've searched the web in vain for the products until i got tu lanz and typed ERAPO INTERNATIONAL into google... found a non functional official website in TAIWAN!!! (ERAPO INTERNATIONAL is printed on the box holding the big aroma diffuser) Look further down n u find some ERAPO stuffs being auctioned in taiwan's e-bay. a bit of fiddling n this is wat i got:
http://tw.f2.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/b10526472
look carefully at the bottles. They are exactly the same as the one in singapore!
There's one difference though, the ERAPO blue marking is replaced by LORENZ de PARIS.
Original price for 10 bottles of oil is NT4500.
1 bottle is NT450
http://tw.f2.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/b10889401
ah ha! Here i see my small bottle of aroma diffuser.
original price of 5 x bottle of oil + 5 x small aroma diffuser = NT4000
1 small aroma diffuser = NT350
http://tw.f2.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/b10413850
Over here we see the special price of several components:
Big wicket = NT150 (We shall include price of wicket just to be safe. My original diffuser came with one.)
Small wicket = NT130
Big aroma diffuser = NT450
Small aroma diffuser = NT199
Total special price = NT929
Previously we saw that original price of small aroma diffuser = NT350
This is less than twice the special price. However to be safe, we would x2 the total special price to estimate the original price:
Total original price = NT1858
Then we add the price of 1 bottle of oil = NT1858 + NT450 = NT2308
Now we divide by 20 to get SGD = NT2308 / 20 = S$115.4
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YES! lol!!! Definately! That clever guy ended up in jail... but turn out to be good after that in helping the police... so "CATCH HIM IF YOU GUYS CAN"! it's not easy! but only to watch the SHIP SINK and then start planning to rebuild a new one after so many decades...
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Dont want to sound like an expert here, but I wont give it more than six months.....(for many reasons).Anyway, dont harp on it being caught by police. At least "vamoose" is enough. But the damages done, kaoz, onli if people will realise the magnitude of this problem. In many areas, it is much more sophiscated than many dubious schemes I have seen. With James Phang experience for many years in Malaysia and Taiwan, its no wonder. For this I am giving JP a salute man.Originally posted by stevie_wonder:co--7! I believe this titanic ship will sink within one year time.
For me, I am worried about the aftermath. Two things, what would happen to my friends who invested much money, time and effort? The zealousness of this company agents are unbelievable. Imagine for yourself after climbing so high, then you fall. When I decided to venture into MLM, my friend whom I mentioned was once in commodities scam before told me "Laurence, I will support you in this venture, but if anything happens, rest assured I would be there to catch you if you fall." This comes from a man who has seen the horrors of the real world.
Second, would the agents continue in their self denial, reluctance to accept the truth, and continued path of "destruction" even after the company collapse?. My friend disuaded me from going to talk to these guys. "Laurence, you can put your facts right in front of their face, and they wont accept it. They have earned money, and that is for them the "proof" the company works. They cannot accept the truth." One interesting facet of human behaviour psychologist trying to unravel. i am already scared by the sudden changeover in my friends. Sometime I want to ask them, hey are you really XYZ? They have shown so much negative changeover, that people around them are alarmed. Most of all, what will happen after this saga? Will I regain their friendship, or will they be in self denial? Like denying JP at faults, but rather the work of other jealous companies? Denying they have been conned?
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why dun go report them.....hurry!!!!
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(yawns) just woke up.....scratch my butt.........Originally posted by SiMi_Lan_Jiao:why dun go report them.....hurry!!!! whats this...report them...hmm...thought someone did? -
dun care so much lah... time will tell the truth.
most of them will only learn when they feel the pain. lets see how long NTI will last..
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TroddenJaw !
You are genuis. You are James Phang Jinx. Now he is as good as dead. Today, my 13 year long buddy trying to psycho to go down company again. Haha.thx for the education and wonderful links that u provided to proof and firm my stand. Now my job is it stand aside wait and see and dun get involved in it.
damn, must report them to CASE! they have to pay for damage they did. damn they make me pay for such worth less than $288 worth of goods.. i think of selling away my account at higher price liaoz... waiting for an opporunity.. -
hahaha...Good songboz! Now u realize is not too late...