New MLM company-M.I.T
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hahha a war in the middle of the night...
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Ya man! I am your best friend from now on lawrence82! So shall we partnership to open a university in MLM, would like to learn more from you.
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Maybe just another of the evil minion coming out from a hole.......kekekekekkekekekeOriginally posted by jOhO:hahha a war in the middle of the night... 
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Where the heck you hail from in the first place?Originally posted by Donkey Warriors:Ya man! I am your best friend from now on lawrence82! So shall we partnership to open a university in MLM, would like to learn more from you. -
How about joining me and lawrence82 to open the world most resourceful MLM university, jOhO? We can count you in. Cause we have the best prof in MLM in the WORLD! Cheers man!
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i just sell popcorn.
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Is this DonkeyWarriors sarcastic or what?Originally posted by jOhO:i just sell popcorn. -
Your nightmare everynight from now on, my dear lawrence82! How about that? So how? Lim Chu Kang seems to be a good place to build our MLM university school. Any better suggestion?
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Come on man lawrence82! So petty meh? Can't take it, then how to be a Prof in MLM! Thought you are the master of all trade including sacrasm!
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Anyway lawrence82, take your time to consider and get back to me asap, ok? This new university can't do without you! You are the best candidate for this position.
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Straits Times Forum, Dec 30 2003
Dangers of multi-level marketing
I ma writing to raise awareness of teh recent rise of multi-level marketing firms that may engage in underhand or even illegal tactics.
Several weeks ago, I attended a seminar on multi-level marketing in Shenton Way. During the seminar, the audience, mostly teenagers, were subject to what could be tremed 'brainwashing'.
They were inundated with fantastic claims of paths to riches, using a gimmicky prsentation style which involved loud cheering and enthusiastic clapping from staff. At the end of the seminar, which focused almost exclusively on the cost of livingand how the company can help one achieve one's dreams of material well-being, I was left bewildered. Thre was absolutely no mention of teh product they were selling.
When I questioned this, I was told: "Does the product really matter? I could go on and on about the benefits of aromatheraphy, but what is important here is our marketing technique."
As it turned out, this marketing technique closely resembles pyramid selling. To join the scheme, you pay a fee to buy an aromatheraphy product. For each person you sell more products to, you receive a commission. And for each sale, the person who got you to join the scheme receives the same commission.
The chain continues ,with more people pulled into the scheme, and those on top getting rich quick.
What is suspicious is first, the focus is on the sales method rather than the product. Second, they seem too eager to impress the audience and the potential customers with flashy presenters and pushy marketing.
Third, the commission structure is strange, to say the least. The commission is the same for the person who sells the product, and the person above him in the chain. This means those higher in the chain can simply live off the fruits of others labour. It encourages continuous selling until there is no one left to sell to.
I hope to draw attention to such schemes as the amounts involved are not small and those who join later will definitely be left disappointed.
As such scheme proliferate, I hope the authorities can clarify what is legal and take action against any perpetrators who are engaged in illegal activities.
Leow Zi Xiang -
F**k off
Let me tell you one thing
If you are James Phang, you should know when to stop this scheme of yours. And stop cheating so many people, enough already, with your schemes that started in Malaysia and now doing in SG!!
If you are just an agent whom I know, and surname starts with letter Y, I gonna go over your house and kick your butt. Wake up from your idea. Look what kind of monster you turned into. You are now so different from the boy I know many months ago. Many of your friends are freaking concerned for you. They said they gave up on you, but I know they still care. Whenever they talk about you, they are not talking in a backstabbing mood. They are freaking worried, and they tried not to show it. So I am begging you, please, leave that company before you get into big trouble. Nobody is your dream stealer, gonna take away your dreams or jealous of your achievement. And this is a hopeless dream at this point.
If you are just another agent of ntiparis, for hell sake think of these guys future. Having a record with police is NOT a joke. If you got a f**king heart, stop drawing people in.
And freaking stop this nonsense if you are not serious in debating. Why dont you emulate some of the forumnites , like timandra or songboz, who can view things from different perspectives even if they are an agent or pro-binary plan MLMers. -
Straits Times Forum, Jan 1 2003
Beware of hard-sell tactics
I refer to Mr Leow Zixiang's letter, 'Dangers of multi-level marketing' (ST, Dec 30).
I was recently persuaded by a friend to go for a talk about a "business plan". It turned out to be a talk by an MLM company. Like Mr Leow, I was told it was the 'business plan', and not the product, that was important.
I succumbed to the pressure from the sales representatives and paid $864 to start three accounts and to buy some aromatheraphy products.
I was taught the methods they use to get prospective members to join the scheme, which include:
a) Never telling the 'prospect' that it is an MLM scheme. Just say it is a business plan.
b) Not letting the 'prospect' go home and 'think about it', as he is likely to have second thoughts.
I felt cheated as these tactics were used on me and I was now expected to use them on others.
I demanded a full refund but was told this was possible only if someone else come and took over my account.
I wish to alert the public about such hard-sell techniques. I advise those who are easily persuaded to stand their ground and join only when they thoroughly understand what the company is offering.
Lim Jia Qing -
Straits Times Forum, Jan 5 2003
One more victims of sales scheme
I refer to Mr Lim Jia Qing's letter , 'Beware of hard-sell tactics' (ST Jan 1). Like him, I paid $864 for three accounts and I am sure that we fell prey to the same multi-level marketing (MLM) firm.
In one meeting I had with its representatives, the firm arranged for three people to turn up, evidently to try to intimidate me. They were willing to drive me to the nearest ATM at 1 am to make sure I did not back out.
A week later, when I asked for my money back due to financial difficulties, they laughed and said the only way out was to get someone to take my account.
I have since realised I have been cheated. Can I lodge a police report about it?
The start up cost in this scheme is unreasonable for the amount of products paid for. The aromatheraphy products are also not described clearly in presentations and on the company's website.
I hope the Direct Selling Association of SIngapore and the authorities will act against this firm. I have gone for talks by other more reputable MLM companies and I ams sure the one Mr Lim and I have been pressured into joining can be deemed illegal.
Lastly, I would like to appeal to all to be wary of this company, which has an expensive-looking flash website and claims international links. In fact, all it does is to emphasise recruitment.
Lim Yan Ting (MS) -
Straits Times Forum, Jan 6 20004
Cops to probe multi-level schemes.
We refer to the letters from Mr Leow Zi Xiang (ST, Dec 30), Mr Benjamin Tan, Mr Lim Jia Qing, Mr Tan Soon Meng, (ST Jan 1) and Ms Lim Yan Ting (ST, Jan 3).
The Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) and Pyramid Selling (Prohibition)Act prohibits multi-level business schemes, except for those which satisfy certain conditions. Information on the Act and Frequently-Asked Questions relating to MLM can be found on the Ministry of Trade and Industry' website (www.mti.gov.sg) under 'Legislation"
The Commercial Affairs Department (CAD) of the Singapore Police Force (SPF) investigates offences under the MLM legislation. We request Mr Leow, Mr Lim and Ms Lim to contact ASP Mohd Shahri on 6557-5458 so that the SPF can look into the matter.
ASP Chua Chee Wai
Assistant Director (MEdia Relations) (Covering)
Singapore Police Force
Lim Chuen Ni (MS)
Corporate Communication Manager
for Permanent Secretary
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Hullo people, I typed these articles on request of songboz, coz the ST articles have been archived, and I (luckily) have the hard copies. Since I type this in the middle of the night, please forgive me for any errors and point out any anomaly in my typing yah....thanks.
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hope those scam company can close down... they spoilt the image of MLM..
from these articles.. seem like they are referring to NTI ??
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First one refers to the NOP Investment owned by James Phang.Originally posted by Alex Wong:hope those scam company can close down... they spoilt the image of MLM..
from these articles.. seem like they are referring to NTI ??
The next three three articles refers to ntiparis,with the first one refers to a 'youngster company in Shenton Way', describing flashy presentation and brainwashing also described by songboz. There is another company called Herbalife in Shenton Way, but its clean, and well established and does not attract teenagers, so the article cant be referring to it. The next two describe two people who paid $864 for 3 accounts, which is exactly ntiparis hybrid binary plan as I describe many posts ago.
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Donkey Warriors, if your only defence of MLM (and NTI Paris, in particular) is to post one-liner sarcastic replies to this forum which are neither funny nor informational, then I would kindly suggest that you get lost from here, take your sarcasm with you, and close the door on your way out. And if you are indeed a NTI Paris, James Phang-worshipping, brainwashed agent, I'd also love to ram a red hot poker up your sorry ass. Who says civet cats are the only animals that needs to be culled?
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hullo, isn't it a free speaking forum? anyway lawrence82, you still have not answer my questions?
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Who is James Phang? Is his knoledge of MLM better than lawrence82?
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By the way, which company do you think is appropriate for me to join? How about DW group, what you think lawrence 82.
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thx for the articles.... I appreciate it very much...
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seems like laurence82 has really an issue here against nti and james phang....all out to destroy?
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Dont tell me you are another of nti agent too?Originally posted by hellodoggy:seems like laurence82 has really an issue here against nti and james phang....all out to destroy? 
Anyway, self destruction is what I would describe this company and its people.