The cult of evil: MLM
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
haha
Seems like you dont get it. Its not about others. Its abt you yourself.
Anyway i already have multiple stream of income so if one fail i stil have the others.
Yes, "success" is not all about money. Those who see success=money are very shallow and materialistic.
I shall wait for those MLMers who aspire to be "rich" to answer my qns. Which had never been answered since I first asked 3 years ago.
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
haha
Seems like you dont get it. Its not about others. Its abt you yourself.
Anyway i already have multiple stream of income so if one fail i stil have the others.
I also hv multiple streams
Last month reach about 9k++ take-home exclude CPF
This month aiming 10k (actually I just finished one year anniversary in working)
No need MLM one... very easy to do without...
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
haha. Never fail to complain huh!
Probably due to the fact that you can't outtalk them with logic.
Nah, it's not them.
Why don't you share with us your reason for believing so strong the opinions of a 3rd party who did not get rich through MLM?
So if Robert Kiyosaki tells you that you have to eat your own shit in order to get rich and powerful and successful, are you going to tell me you are going to eat your own shit? Just because it's an opinion from a 3rd party?
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
Well, birds of a feather tend to flock together.
Im also not rich. But the people i mix with are rather well to do. Not all of course. Who you mix with is important.
No offence. I don't mean to say that you or your friend are not rich but just that maybe you are not really exposed to meeting credible people.
And if reading books can get you rich, i would be damn rich by now. LOL
Its not about what you read will make you rich or not, its what you can learn from the books that matters.
Its not about what you read will make you rich or not, its what you can learn from the books that matters.
So what did you learn?
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Originally posted by redstone:
robert kiyosaki... for god's sake can you stop quoting him for once. Almost 60% of the pro-mlm comments I heard are quoting or mentioning him. lol. He had became a prophet of MLM Religion already.
Haha. Since he is popular with people and he support mlm he's the best person to explain isnt it?
Well did anyone who is sucessful condemn mlm? I mean the really sucessful people outside of mlm. No?
I know what you mean. I also don't like people who brings down the reputation of mlm. The system i don't think is flawed, it is only the people.
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
Haha. Since he is popular with people and he support mlm he's the best person to explain isnt?
Well did anyone who is sucessful condemn mlm? I mean the really sucessful people outside of mlm. No?
I know what you mean. I also don't like people who brings down the reputation of mlm. The system i don't think is flawed, it is only the people.
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I know what you mean. I also don't like people who brings down the reputation of mlm. The system i don't think is flawed, it is only the people.
And along comes someone here who thinks he/she has the power to change the people, who think he/she is different from all other black sheep MLMers
What an ambition!
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I'm copying this from another MLM thread
Originally posted by eagle:Signs that he still need to learn:
1) "Complaints are mainly from people who quit..."
2) '' Winners never quit and quitters never WIN''
These 2 statements were shot directly into his heart and screw up his thinking. It's a form of Neuro Linguistic Programming to ensure that he don't leave the company that easily. A masterstroke...... I must really look into this area to motivate my tuition students to excel.... Seems like the potential to "control" youngsters is very high...
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Originally posted by redstone:
Yes, "success" is not all about money. Those who see success=money are very shallow and materialistic.
I shall wait for those MLMers who aspire to be "rich" to answer my qns. Which had never been answered since I first asked 3 years ago.
Erm sorry, what was your qns again?
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For a fact, Clement Chiang more or less used the same way to hard-sell his options trading programme
But greed for money cause people (and new blood) to fall for this again and again and again.
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Originally posted by eagle:
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And along comes someone here who thinks he/she has the power to change the people, who think he/she is different from all other black sheep MLMers
What an ambition!
haha. Nah. I would'nt say i have the power to change people. If i could, i don't mind of course.
Your income will always rise in accordance to the amount of values you give to others.
- tony robbins
Im new to forum so pardon me for my multiple replies. How to link all up btw?
Seems like there is alot of areas to be answered. I will just pick a few to reply. Save me the trouble. lol
I will just direct my answer to eagle for now.
I also hv multiple streams
Last month reach about 9k++ take-home exclude CPF
This month aiming 10k (actually I just finished one year anniversary in working)
No need MLM one... very easy to do without...
Ok.. You have multiple stream. Good for you. haha
So you earn 10k? Good for you too. lol
No need mlm?
No one force you to join i hope?
No one says mlm is the only way to be rich. If they are, all the sucessfull people in the worlds would be mlmer.
Nah, it's not them.
Why don't you share with us your reason for believing so strong the opinions of a 3rd party who did not get rich through MLM?
So if Robert Kiyosaki tells you that you have to eat your own shit in order to get rich and powerful and successful, are you going to tell me you are going to eat your own shit? Just because it's an opinion from a 3rd party?
Well. 3rd party looks at it from different angle obviously. And he has a certain amount of sucess so at least he has a certain amount of credibility compare to people with no credibility right? Common sense.
Eat my own shit? Whahaha
Is that human language? You think i would? Use your brain please. lol
So what did you learn?
Err i don't think i need to say everything right? Go read some books and find out yourself. I don't want to spoonfeed you.
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
Erm sorry, what was your qns again?
MLM is workable if u are willing to take the risk....
Give me the number of all your MLMers who had ever been on the agents register of your company.
Give me the number of currently actively selling agents.
Give me number of people who had managed to have a constant sustained level of income which is defined as "rich" and "successful".
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Well i don't know the exact number or even anywhere close to it since it doesnt really bother me much on that part.
So are you refering to my company or all the general mlm company?
Agent registered probably is in tens of thousand??
Actively selling and building a team is different. Which is it?
Selling wise i don't see alot of people doing it.
In the hundreds range maybe??
Well the last part is abit tricky. Maybe in the range of five figure income should be ard 50 to 100???
That is just my assumption. Don't shoot me if im wrong.
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
haha. Nah. I would'nt say i have the power to change people. If i could, i don't mind of course.
Your income will always rise in accordance to the amount of values you give to others.
- tony robbins
Im new to forum so pardon me for my multiple replies. How to link all up btw?
Seems like there is alot of areas to be answered. I will just pick a few to reply. Save me the trouble. lol
I will just direct my answer to eagle for now.
Ok.. You have multiple stream. Good for you. haha
So you earn 10k? Good for you too. lol
No need mlm?
No one force you to join i hope?
No one says mlm is the only way to be rich. If they are, all the sucessfull people in the worlds would be mlmer.
Well. 3rd party looks at it from different angle obviously. And he has a certain amount of sucess so at least he has a certain amount of credibility compare to people with no credibility right? Common sense.
Eat my own shit? Whahaha
Is that human language? You think i would? Use your brain please. lol
Err i don't think i need to say everything right? Go read some books and find out yourself. I don't want to spoonfeed you.
Ok.. You have multiple stream. Good for you. haha
So you earn 10k? Good for you too. lol
No need mlm?
No one force you to join i hope?
No one says mlm is the only way to be rich. If they are, all the sucessfull people in the worlds would be mlmer.
No, it's just that you are giving the impression that you have mulitple streams and that it is a big deal. And it is the most frequently posted content that most other childish MLMer wannabes post to tell off other forumers, and chiding others for lacking financial intelligence. Reason being? Their MLM trainer/upline said so.
My point is, it is no big deal at all, and extremely simple to achieve.
Well. 3rd party looks at it from different angle obviously. And he has a certain amount of sucess so at least he has a certain amount of credibility compare to people with no credibility right? Common sense.
Eat my own shit? Whahaha
Is that human language? You think i would? Use your brain please. lol
You just shot yourself in the foot. Your logic is that because MLM is good because Robert Kiyosaki as a 3rd party said so, even though he did not succeed through this path.The key phrase is: "Because Robert Kiyosaki said so".
But now you are saying that if Robert Kiyosaki as a credible 3rd party tells you that you have to eat your own shit in order to get rich and powerful and successful, you are not going to do it. My key phrase in your logic is, why not? Because he said so, why not?
Yet why is it that if he says MLM is good, you are going to do it? Just because he say so???????
Use your brain for this extremely simple logic ok? I'm sure you are smart enough to do so.
Err i don't think i need to say everything right? Go read some books and find out yourself. I don't want to spoonfeed you.
No, it's what you have learned.
Because obviously, you didn't learn much and appear to still live in a world of fantasy.
haha. Nah. I would'nt say i have the power to change people. If i could, i don't mind of course.
Your income will always rise in accordance to the amount of values you give to others.
- tony robbins
Another self shot in the foot.
If MLMers in Singapore have such a bad reputation, and you can't change the people, why are you associating yourself with them??????????
Does that even make sense??????? Like duh...
Ya... go on and talk about the books that you have learned that teach that...
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I'm not against MLM. I'm just against the points put forward by MLMers who come into this forum, who come in sounding as though they know a deep secret and everyone else who is not in MLM dunno. And they come in with the first few questions of: how much you earn in your job, it's about multiple streams of income, passive income, etc etc, all kinds of rubbish... It is as though they will definitely succeed just because they know merely a few financial terms. Not only that, all others are losers because they are not in it.
Another irritating thing about those forumers who came in here, including you, is this sentence:
"Go read some books and find out yourself. I don't want to spoonfeed you."You and other failed MLMers who come in here say this sentence aplenty. And I'm not going to start on the number of financial, stock analysis, business books/magazines/online articles I have read. I even have my own financial articles written and published in an ezine.
All I can say is that the books are sensible, but your mindset has been twisted and warped by your MLM upline. It's the same as how Al Qaeda twisted Islam. Same holy book, but warped interpretations with people following blindly and loyally.
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Originally posted by eagle:
No, it's just that you are giving the impression that you have mulitple streams and that it is a big deal. And it is the most frequently posted content that most other childish MLMer wannabes post to tell off other forumers, and chiding others for lacking financial intelligence. Reason being? Their MLM trainer/upline said so.
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Since when did i say it's a big deal? haha
That is just your assumption. I said that because should i fail in mlm, i have other areas to keep me going. But seriously, it is hard for people to fail in it.
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You just shot yourself in the foot. Your logic is that because MLM is good because Robert Kiyosaki as a 3rd party said so, even though he did not succeed through this path.The key phrase is: "Because Robert Kiyosaki said so".
But now you are saying that if Robert Kiyosaki as a credible 3rd party tells you that you have to eat your own shit in order to get rich and powerful and successful, you are not going to do it. My key phrase in your logic is, why not? Because he said so, why not?
Yet why is it that if he says MLM is good, you are going to do it? Just because he say so???????
Use your brain for this extremely simple logic ok? I'm sure you are smart enough to do so.
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Again what you are saying is nonsense. He has credibility when he says that. And what he says make sense.
Did you even read his books?If he says mlm is worth trying, understand that why is it that he says that. What are the reasons he give?
If he should ever says go eat shit, will i? Think about it. And of course he would never say such rubbish that only people like you can say.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No, it's what you have learned.
Because obviously, you didn't learn much and appear to still live in a world of fantasy.
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Well of course. There is still many things to be learn. I have only learn so little.
I don't think i leave in a world of fantasy.
Everything that i have said is logical isn't it?
I don't give crap reasons for this or that.
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If MLMers in Singapore have such a bad reputation, and you can't change the people, why are you associating yourself with them??????????
Does that even make sense??????? Like duh...
Ya... go on and talk about the books that you have learned that teach that...
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Well, first understand what causes the bad reputation. And yes, i can't change the people because i am lazy.
I don't wish to go around sharing with everyone about what is the proper way to do business.
But that doesn't mean i can't change my downline.
There is more reasons to associate with them than reputation and changing people.
I have seen doctors, businessman, lawyers that join mlm. Are they stupid? No, in fact they are more clever than us.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And they come in with the first few questions of: how much you earn in your job, it's about multiple streams of income, passive income, etc etc, all kinds of rubbish... It is as though they will definitely succeed just because they know merely a few financial terms. Not only that, all others are losers because they are not in it.
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Asking how much people earn is a sensitive qns. You need to be tactful about it.
So far none of the mlmer i know preach about multiple stream of income. Is it rubbish? Of course not. If it is then what you are doing now is rubbish.
Knowing a few terms doesn't mean you will succeed. Though i can't guaranteed sucess, but im confident of it.
One should always respect people for their choice. I don't think everyone in mlm think that all others are loser. Not everyone are suitable.
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"Go read some books and find out yourself. I don't want to spoonfeed you."
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Its true isn't it? Rather than explaining everything, asking you to go read the book is easier right?
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And I'm not going to start on the number of financial, stock analysis, business books/magazines/online articles I have read. I even have my own financial articles written and published in an ezine.
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Well if you have read alot of those, you should understand the power of leveraging and compounding isn't it?
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All I can say is that the books are sensible, but your mindset has been twisted and warped by your MLM upline.
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Really? Please enlighten me. I don't think my mind has been twisted. What i have said which i believe makes sense. -
Since when did i say it's a big deal? haha
That is just your assumption. I said that because should i fail in mlm, i have other areas to keep me going. But seriously, it is hard for people to fail in it.Hard for people to fail?
I shall wait for huzane89 to come here and tell you that she will give you 6 months from now to give another report
So far, none of the forumers she asked to come back has ever come back to give a report
Again what you are saying is nonsense. He has credibility when he says that. And what he says make sense.
Did you even read his books?If he says mlm is worth trying, understand that why is it that he says that. What are the reasons he give?
If he should ever says go eat shit, will i? Think about it. And of course he would never say such rubbish that only people like you can say.You still don't get it, do you. You are basing your support on a 3rd party who did not succeed through that path.
Try doing that in a thesis/research paper in uni. I guarantee you will be shot left right down centre by your professor.
Oh ya, our dear PM's son has tried it before, leaving his post of duty because a fellow more senior sign-on officer said he can leave first. Just because that more senior sign-on officer said so you know?
Well of course. There is still many things to be learn. I have only learn so little.
I don't think i leave in a world of fantasy.
Everything that i have said is logical isn't it?
I don't give crap reasons for this or that.No, your reasons are crap by
i) basing your support on a 3rd party who has not succeed through the path
ii) Robert Kiyosaki has been found to have vested interest in some MLM. Well never mind, obviously you haven't be widely read enough to know more things.
iii) Robert Kiyosaki himself contradicted himself in his book Rich Dad Poor Dad aplenty.
Example in his book on rich dad poor dad:
he said "it's fear that keeps most people working at a job"
a few pages later, he tells you
“many rich people are rich not because of desire but because of fear.”
and a few pages later
“rich people with lots of money often have more fear the richer they get.”He has simple factual mistakes too
"A corporation can do so many things that an individual cannot. Like pay for expenses before it pays taxes."Yet both corporations and sole proprietors pay expenses before they pay taxes. Sole proprietors pay taxes only on the net income of their businesses, which means after expenses.
Sources from John Treed website.
Well, first understand what causes the bad reputation. And yes, i can't change the people because i am lazy.
I don't wish to go around sharing with everyone about what is the proper way to do business.
But that doesn't mean i can't change my downline.
There is more reasons to associate with them than reputation and changing people.
I have seen doctors, businessman, lawyers that join mlm. Are they stupid? No, in fact they are more clever than us.Flawed reasoning again.
Why don't you tell us that you join Al Qaeda, and tell us the same thing?
There are also very smart people joining you know? Are they stupid? They are some that are much cleverer (and much richer) than most people you know?Asking how much people earn is a sensitive qns. You need to be tactful about it.
So far none of the mlmer i know preach about multiple stream of income. Is it rubbish? Of course not. If it is then what you are doing now is rubbish.
Knowing a few terms doesn't mean you will succeed. Though i can't guaranteed sucess, but im confident of it.
One should always respect people for their choice. I don't think everyone in mlm think that all others are loser. Not everyone are suitable.Ya not everyone. But I believed I told you that this is the case for MLMers who come into this forum.
Or are you practising selective reading?
Its true isn't it? Rather than explaining everything, asking you to go read the book is easier right?
In that case
Really? Please enlighten me. I don't think my mind has been twisted. What i have said which i believe makes sense.
Please go and read more books and find out ok? I don't want to spoonfeed you.
Well if you have read alot of those, you should understand the power of leveraging and compounding isn't it?
All MLMers that come in here said the same thing. Yet do you know it was the power of leveraging that brought about the sub-prime crisis?
It's like fire (or water); it can both help you or kill you.
Wait, how much do you even know? Go read more books. I don't want to spoonfeed you.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Hard for people to fail?
I shall wait for huzane89 to come here and tell you that she will give you 6 months from now to give another report
So far, none of the forumers she asked to come back has ever come back to give a report
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Well Well, here we go again. I guess i know why they all don't bother to come back.
It's rather simple to guess why they don't. They don't wish to spend time coming back here debating and would rather do constructive stuff expanding their biz.
It is a waste of time to debate over certain issue. Some people just don't get it and they probably never will.
I seldom post in forum and probably will cut down in the future when i gets busier.
So what sort of reports you want? To tell everyone how much they earn? biggrin.png
Or how many downlines they have? Then you will start finding more reasons to argue back.
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You still don't get it, do you. You are basing your support on a 3rd party who did not succeed through that path.
Try doing that in a thesis/research paper in uni. I guarantee you will be shot left right down centre by your professor.
Oh ya, our dear PM's son has tried it before, leaving his post of duty because a fellow more senior sign-on officer said he can leave first. Just because that more senior sign-on officer said so you know?------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok. So you want someone who have suceed in this industry to come to this forum to "prove" it to you all that there are sucessful people eveywhere?
You don't expect me to go to him/her and ask them: please post on sgforum to show them that there are actually people out there that are sucessful??
You wouldn't know the next guy that walk pass you is a millionaire or not.
You don't see it because you are not inside the network.
And if i happen to be "sucessful" in this. I won't go around telling everyone im sucessful.
It's embarassing.
Im never make it to Uni and im not a research person. So i might be shot. haha.
But only if they have a point to prove.
Well if that is the case, it is the responsibility of the senior regular isn't it?
Then again it depends on how "senior" that officer is.
You are just putting yourself together with those mlmer that says those who don't join are losers.
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i) basing your support on a 3rd party who has not succeed through the path
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Ok. So now. What proof you want?
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ii) Robert Kiyosaki has been found to have vested interest in some MLM. Well never mind, obviously you haven't be widely read enough to know more things.
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Of course i know he had some vested interest in mlm. I don't need to tell you everything i know right?
Did i hurt your ego by asking you to read more books? lolIf that is the case i apologise for that.
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iii) Robert Kiyosaki himself contradicted himself in his book Rich Dad Poor Dad aplenty.
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Well. I have read up on all the complain made by john creed on robert. The list is too long and i don't wish to go through the details.
Since he himself have a couple of lawsuit against him and he lost all of them.
So im rather doubtful against his posting as well.
quoted by some forumer.
This again will bring on debate that is of no concern to me so i will just skip this for now.
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Flawed reasoning again.
Why don't you tell us that you join Al Qaeda, and tell us the same thing?
There are also very smart people joining you know? Are they stupid? They are some that are much cleverer (and much richer) than most people you know?
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Well, then what is your definition of a flawless reasoning? lolMy reasoning simply stats that people who can think join mlm. It doesnt mean only gullible people join them.
Al Qaeda uses muslim teaching and twist it. Misleading people. But i don't think any buddhist or christian will join them.
You are using extreme cases. In the case of mlm, its logical.
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Ya not everyone. But I believed I told you that this is the case for MLMers who come into this forum.
Or are you practising selective reading?
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Not in my case.Ya probably.
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All MLMers that come in here said the same thing. Yet do you know it was the power of leveraging that brought about the sub-prime crisis?
It's like fire (or water); it can both help you or kill you.
Wait, how much do you even know? Go read more books. I don't want to spoonfeed you.
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yes, its a double sided sword. In this case it can be used for good. You just need to know where your conscious lies.
All anti mlmer that come in here also said similar things.
cheat people... bluff people to go for talks.... blah blah blah. All along the same line.
That can be solve by being more aware of the people you are talking to. And understand how the system works before jumping in.
Well nice "copy and paste" technique you have there. There is always things to learn of course.
IF that is the case, perhaps i can enlighten you instead. Of course.. certain things are best to leave it as it is.
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I got too much things to do to spoonfeed you bit by bit. You are definitely one who reads selectively, not only my posts, but on Robert Kiyosaki's one as well. It does nothing to my ego when you ask me to read more books, because one should always read more. Just FYI, I'm gobbling up available information on the Elliot Wave Principle right now. Go google if you do not know what it is.
The most major contradiction of your actions is from this sentence
"Im never make it to Uni"
Robert mentioned one should get a uni education.
He also mentioned that your mindset should never be "I'll never be able to make it" but instead "How can I do it"This sentence alone shows that you only read things you want to read, do things you want to do, apply things halfway.
2nd, even you yourself is contradictory
And if i happen to be "sucessful" in this. I won't go around telling everyone im sucessful.
It's embarassing.I don't see how you can get downlines by not telling everyone who has the potential to be your downline that you are successful
Now you are still new to the game, so you are still bogged down by what your uplines have told you. You are still "motivated" by them because of their NLP. Given the state of the economy right now, I doubt you will see much success initially.
You may say no success, you still have other sources of income (which I expect it to be another job, pardon me if I'm wrong). In fact, by saying that, you have already subconsciously implanted "no success" inside yourself. People usually succeed because it is a must. You are already not making it a must.
In short, I'm not against MLM system as a whole. My motive is to get forumers like you to wake up your idea (just read my other posts). The way you prove your point is already illogical (just because 3rd party with vested interest say so), yet you persist in it. Like what Warren Buffett said, he never believe in what analysts (or banks) have to say because they have vested interest. Surely Warren Buffett will give even more credibility than your Robert Kiyosaki (who claimed he could earn more than WB if he wanted). Like duh.
You do need to read up more, and not only that, read objectively and fully, not selectively as you have done.
Learning and applying things halfway and selectively like you will bring little success.
And lastly, you know one thing? You will be the one on the losing end by being so stubborn-minded not to learn and accept opinions here because you are in the industry, and defending it so stubbornly. Even I don't do that for those different areas I earn from (engineering, education, equities, websites). No matter whether you managed to convince us here, we don't lose out because we are not inside.
Ok enough spoonfeeding.
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The most major contradiction of your actions is from this sentence
"Im never make it to Uni"
Robert mentioned one should get a uni education.
He also mentioned that your mindset should never be "I'll never be able to make it" but instead "How can I do it".What im trying to say here is simply i did not make it to Uni. Get it? No doubt i should not use the word 'never'. My mistake here.
He mention one should get uni education. Fair enough. But that doesn't mean i have or need to.
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It does nothing to my ego when you ask me to read more books, because one should always read more.
Yes for this sentence it does not. But clearly when i mention the word spoon feed, it gets you agitated. Your ego is been rubbed. This is obvious from all your subsequent posting.
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I'm gobbling up available information on the Elliot Wave Principle right now.
This also stem from the fact that the moment you thought i am trying to boast about my income stream, you annouced to the world that you have this too, that too, doing multiple stuff, reading about this and that. Ego bruised again.
Points taken. Well. I will just take it that you have a big heart and willing to share whatever infomation you have learnt.
I have heard of that before but never get around to study it. Thanks for sharing dude!
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It seems to be that im having issue posting long replies. It keeps bringing me back to the main page.
Nevertheless. lets carry on with our debate.
"Im never make it to Uni"
Robert mentioned one should get a uni education.
He also mentioned that your mindset should never be "I'll never be able to make it" but instead "How can I do it"Well. I shouldn't be using the word 'never'. My mistake here.
Getting a Uni education is recommended but that doesn't mean i must right? And of course, im not trying to say i'll never be able make it to Uni, but i just do not have the intention of pursuing Uni studies at this point of time.
Again, it is just your assumption.
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This sentence alone shows that you only read things you want to read, do things you want to do, apply things halfway.
Wow amazing. By one sentence quote by me you can write out so much explanation. You can go and be a fortune teller. im sure you can do well in it given your analytical power.
Even Warren Buffet needs plenty of info about a company before he decides to invest in it.
Looks like you are better than him.
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I don't see how you can get downlines by not telling everyone who has the potential to be your downline that you are successful
Haha. Please read carefully to what i said.
Ive mention that if i happen to be sucessful.
Are you practicing selective reading???
Does Warren Buffet tells everyone he is a very good investor? Of course not.
His results will speak for themselves.
And if im not sucessful yet, by telling my downline i am, i would be lying isn't it?
Think about it.
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Now you are still new to the game, so you are still bogged down by what your uplines have told you. You are still "motivated" by them because of their NLP. Given the state of the economy right now, I doubt you will see much success initially.
I have been expose to and looking around it for the past few years. So i don't think im new to it.
Now. Motivation is one key area to sucess isn't it. Esp in sales job. All the top sales person are passionate and motivated individual.
NLP can be a useful tools to achieve you own definition of sucess. If you understand it, you can use it to push yourself further.
Since you said initially, you have already open up the possibility of being sucessful in this industry.
Regards to your last sentence, This is just your one sided view so i shall not comment on that further.
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You may say no success, you still have other sources of income (which I expect it to be another job, pardon me if I'm wrong). In fact, by saying that, you have already subconsciously implanted "no success" inside yourself.
Did i say no sucess? Or are you practicing selective reading again?
Im saying in the event of a failure, i have backup. Don't tell me you do business with no backup.
Nice try Mr fortune teller.
I have my job in the finance industry, do a few tradings once in awhile and managing online biz with my friend.
Nothing worth mentioning.
Now im looking into stock investing.
People usually succeed because it is a must. You are already not making it a must.
Yes you are right. But kindly explain a must for what area? To be sucessful?
What is your term for sucess?
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In short, I'm not against MLM system as a whole.
If you are not against it, then a part of you do believe in it no?
This topic i believe is closed. But if you still wana discuss it further, i can entertain you when i have abit of time.
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My motive is to get forumers like you to wake up your idea (just read my other posts). The way you prove your point is already illogical (just because 3rd party with vested interest say so), yet you persist in it.
Wake up my idea of what? Don't just preach on Robert's theory?
My point is very simple.
Robert say that mlm is a viable choice for achieving financial sucess. Do you believe in it? If you do then what is the point in all this debate?
Your point is do i have to believe everything he said? Of course not. But some of his point makes sense. Even you quote what he says at the beginning of your post.
Like what Warren Buffett said, he never believe in what analysts (or banks) have to say because they have vested interest. Surely Warren Buffett will give even more credibility than your Robert Kiyosaki (who claimed he could earn more than WB if he wanted). Like duh.
Yes. You don't have to believe what everyone says. You have to think for yourself. So which brings me back to:
Do you believe everything that Warren Buffet says?
If you do, then if he says go eat shit would you?
DUH!!!! lolIm talking nonsense here, but that is exactly what you are saying in your previous post.
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You do need to read up more, and not only that, read objectively and fully, not selectively as you have done.
Yes there is plenty for me to read up on. Objectively and fully? Same goes for you.
Learning and applying things halfway and selectively like you will bring little success.
Are you talking about yourself?
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And lastly, you know one thing? You will be the one on the losing end by being so stubborn-minded not to learn and accept opinions here because you are in the industry, and defending it so stubbornly.
Stubborn minded? Please look at the mirror. Losing end? What is there to lose?
Im merely clarifying my point. I think you are the one that tries to defend yourself.
There is nothing much to defend for mlm. Results speaks.
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Even I don't do that for those different areas I earn from (engineering, education, equities, websites). No matter whether you managed to convince us here, we don't lose out because we are not inside.
Why would you defend yourself in your own industry? You should learn from it.
I dont really need to convince you. But rather, it is you that need to convince us that mlm is not the way to do biz.
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Ok enough spoonfeeding.
Yup. I think you have spoonfeed yourself enough today. Its good to learn how to spoonfeed yourself.
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Guess I really have to spoonfeed you a bit more:
Yes for this sentence it does not. But clearly when i mention the word spoon feed, it gets you agitated. Your ego is been rubbed. This is obvious from all your subsequent posting.
Look at what you said earlier on:
"That is just your assumption."
Back to you. Obviously you still fail to understand, duh.
Ego bruised? Try again dude. Go get a basic uni degree before you even attempt to remotely mention about ego bruising. Obviously you can't succeed there. Let me ask you, if a primary school kid comes to you and tell you to go read more books because he don't want to spoonfeed you, would it do anything to your ego?
No one even started mentioning about it until you do.It's simple human psychology. Your ego has clearly been bruised earlier on, so whatever people say about you, you try to push it on others that their ego has been bruised. And back to you: "This is obvious from all your all your postings.
"Let's just say, you want to bruise me in ego? You better earn at least 2 times more or get a better degree than me.
And agitated? Again another yawns... Why would I even be agitated about what someone like you say? In case you do not want to read the other threads before posting things that has been torn down again and again, I'm telling you that all those I told you, I have already told other get-rich wannabes. Same words used. No one else started mentioning about ego-bruising and agitation until you do. Really, I do think your ego must have been badly bruised in school last time, and you must really have been agitated by people who were against your opinion of MLM.
Agitated... Perhaps a little when you illogically attempt to support your stand by raising a 3rd party with vested interest, and who did not go through the same path... I really can't believe people will fall for this again and again, and I guess it's no coincidence all who came to sgforums to say this all declare that they did not do well in school except for one who went NS after his JC.
Or perhaps, it's just that your command of the English language is so bad that you can't understand fully what I said, and just rub it off as a response due to a bruised ego or agitation.
I mean, what else can we expect from a self defeatist who thinks he can never make it to uni?Let me share a story with you. I have this friend who told me he got laughed at by his schoolmates when he was in ITE, when he told them he will study uni one day. He went on to graduate from NUS with a bachelor degree. During uni, he part-timed as a property agent (in 2007) and made a killing. If he were to tell me he will succeed in MLM, I will believe. You?
This also stem from the fact that the moment you thought i am trying to boast about my income stream, you annouced to the world that you have this too, that too, doing multiple stuff, reading about this and that. Ego bruised again.
Points taken. Well. I will just take it that you have a big heart and willing to share whatever infomation you have learnt.
I have heard of that before but never get around to study it. Thanks for sharing dude!
Nah, you have clearly given the impression that you are boasting you have multiple streams of income like it is a big deal. Especially when it was placed after telling others that they don't get it.
Seems like you dont get it. Its not about others. Its abt you yourself.
Anyway i already have multiple stream of income so if one fail i stil have the others.
Guess your ego must have been really really bruised when you see so many people around you scoring better than you in school making you a failure there.
So much so that when I attempted to share what helps me earn by giving little hints here and there, you think that you succeeded in ego bruising.
Obviously in self-denial.It's really suspicious when you keep telling me my ego is bruised and I'm agitated.
Is that what and how your MLM upline taught you to deal with people who doubt you?Oh ya, enough of sarcasm in showing you what is really called ego bruising. Let me repeat my stand in this edit which you obviously can't comprehend yet.
In short, I'm not against MLM system as a whole. My motive is to get forumers like you to wake up your idea (just read my other posts). The way you prove your point is already illogical (just because 3rd party with vested interest say so), yet you persist in it. Like what Warren Buffett said, he never believe in what analysts (or banks) have to say because they have vested interest. Surely Warren Buffett will give even more credibility than your Robert Kiyosaki (who claimed he could earn more than WB if he wanted). Like duh.
You do need to read up more, and not only that, read objectively and fully, not selectively as you have done.
I won't dissuade you from going through this path, but please, that mindset of yours that it's good because Robert said it is.... is just plain crap...
Do it because you want to try it out. Do it because you think you will like it. Do it because you want to.
Not do it because
You guys should read business school by robert kiyosaki Author of rich dad poor dad. An opinion about the network marketing business from a 3rd party helps
And also not because you have other streams of income and thus the "fail then fail lor" mentality.
Also, you have already assumed here that we didn't read books by Robert here. Talking about assumptions again?
Finally, like what laurence82 mentioned:
all your general theories...are just theories which we get from MLMers all the time
tell me something that adds value
As long as you haven't successfully applied any of the theories and understandings you have here, what you said here are merely empty talks.
Apply it, succeed in it, then it will give you credibiltiy. You don't get better by knowing theories, but by successfully applying them.
Example, I'm applying what I have learned in channel trading, and earned quite a bit in it as mentioned in another sub-forum. I put my hard earned cash down to apply it, and succeed. Easily 1k + monthly without much effort if you understand what's the probability and the risk/reward ratio. But I'm still not like you, coming here and telling people they should do this do that, and assuming others have not read this or that, and this is especially rude when you are just a new sign-up.
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All right. Points taken.
I guess i carried it too far. End up we are playing ping pong. haha
Since like what you said im new here and you are an old bird, i shall withdrawn what i have said earlier to you.
Pardon me for my direct approach.
Im tempted to debate more with you but then again we are entitled to our own opinion and i should respect yours too. If not this will never end.
PS. Now now, aren't you carry it alittle too far when you starts getting personal talking about people's educational level and income? No doubt that won't prove anything but you should tone down abit in regards to that.
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
All right. Points taken.
I guess i carried it too far. End up we are playing ping pong. haha
Since like what you said im new here and you are an old bird, i shall withdrawn what i have said earlier to you.
Pardon me for my direct approach.
Im tempted to debate more with you but then again we are entitled to our own opinion and i should respect yours too. If not this will never end.
PS. Now now, aren't you carry it alittle too far when you starts getting personal talking about people's educational level and income? No doubt that won't prove anything but you should tone down abit in regards to that.
It's ping pong because you are the one who told off others for it, yet doing it yourself. A pot calling the kettle black. A hypocrite. What you had posted cannot even be constituted as part of a debate; no debates would use such illogical way of proving your points. As I have said, if you do this in a paper, you will be shot left right down centre.
That said, I admit and agree I'm carrying it far, and delibrately. It's a just a little display what's an attempt on ego bruising, although it's still a weak one. Won't carry on in this. Everything withdrawn.
My point still stands that it's illogical to take the opinion of a 3rd party who has vested in it, and whom did not go through that path, as the basis of your decision, and as the basis that other people here (whom are also 3rd party) are wrong.
Now for this I just saw:
Yes. You don't have to believe what everyone says. You have to think for yourself. So which brings me back to:
Do you believe everything that Warren Buffet says?
If you do, then if he says go eat shit would you?
DUH!!!! lolIm talking nonsense here, but that is exactly what you are saying in your previous post.
Obviously you didn't manage to read and fully comprehend. There is a main difference.
What Warren Buffett said, is what he has personally done and succeeded from.
Ask yourself, what you have said what Robert Kiyosaki said, is it what he has personally done and succeeded from?
Big DUH....
Why would you defend yourself in your own industry? You should learn from it.
I dont really need to convince you. But rather, it is you that need to convince us that mlm is not the way to do biz.
Must be selective reading by you again. Sigh. Where the hell did I say MLM is not the way to do biz??????????
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Haha. Chill out my friend. I never call you names even though i could choose to right?
Yes i know its delibrate. There are more than enough reasons to counter it but lets withdrawn everything.
My point also still stand but i shall respect your decision.
Since mlmers here give such bad impression i don't want to make it worse.
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Originally posted by Xcelon82:
Haha. Chill out my friend. I never call you names even though i could choose to right?
Yes i know its delibrate. There are more than enough reasons to counter it but lets withdrawn everything.
My point also still stand but i shall respect your decision.
Since mlmers here give such bad impression i don't want to make it worse.
Ok
Do come back in 6 months time to tell if you have succeeded. I would really be interested to know :D
So far one came back, turned from supporter like you now, to condemner.
But I forgot the nick liao