write your complaints against mlm agents here!
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PLEASE refer to
Sunshine Empire Trial @ http://www.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/377797 to continue the discussion for those interested. I've posted there too..
Kindly please observe the purpose of this thread to discuss only about bad practices and i would appreciate it if users can refrain from naming the company to prevent flaming thread replies.
Peace OuT..
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
thanks =p
got it liao..but it's a bit risky isn't it?
anyway - SE is no exception with the only exception that it's a super mega big scam in asia..
watch the news later - it will boardcast a ex-agent taking money from her own pocket to pay her downlines -_-''
Everything has risks. It's all about getting your feet wet, and how you manage your risks, what steps you take to protect yourself, etc. To me, it's not any less risky than doing your own business.
But the blog I showed you is only a small portion of what I'm doing ;)
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Sunshine Empire is about bad practices, and should be a model of how MLM shouldnt be
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Originally posted by eagle:
Everything has risks. It's all about getting your feet wet, and how you manage your risks, what steps you take to protect yourself, etc. To me, it's not any less risky than doing your own business.
But the blog I showed you is only a small portion of what I'm doing ;)
Yap, it's all for double or nothing..
Risk is part and parcel of success.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Sunshine Empire is about bad practices, and should be a model of how MLM shouldnt be
At least people can learn from this experience ma.
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
Yap, it's all for double or nothing..
Risk is part and parcel of success.
no no no... wrong lah.... it's not all for double or nothing.... I'm not that dumb...
If you read through the whole blog carefully, you will see how conservative my portfolio actually is.... You have to balance, use brains, be daring to do what others do not... i.e. my friends were wondering how dumb I was to buy continuously from Jan to Mar 09 till I had only $200 left in bank at the start of Mar 09... They continued to mock when I continued in Apr and May as more salary came in... Looking back, they are hitting themselves hard... Maximal risk taking? I don't think so...
Taking and viewing risks as being double or nothing is like playing russian roulette... No point...
Argh... forget it... I still got to do other things..
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Originally posted by eagle:
no no no... wrong lah.... it's not all for double or nothing.... I'm not that dumb...
If you read through the whole blog carefully, you will see how conservative my portfolio actually is.... You have to balance, use brains, be daring to do what others do not... i.e. my friends were wondering how dumb I was to buy continuously from Jan to Mar 09 till I had only $200 left in bank at the start of Mar 09... They continued to mock when I continued in Apr and May as more salary came in... Looking back, they are hitting themselves hard... Maximal risk taking? I don't think so...ll
Taking and viewing risks as being double or nothing is like playing russian roulette... No point...
Argh... forget it... I still got to do other things..
i didn't look clearly at the whole blog but i've noticed you play only with blue chips - mid-long term one..
nvm la, you have your ways of earning while i too have my ways.
all the best in your investments.
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HI ALL,
There are 2 new scams which i know is now operating in singapore for quite sometime ( www.gio-holdings.com , www.clubsirroccoasia.com ）This 2 are operate by singaporean
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Originally posted by Moneyscam2009:
HI ALL,
There are 2 new scams which i know is now operating in singapore for quite sometime ( www.gio-holdings.com , www.clubsirroccoasia.com ）This 2 are operate by singaporean , Johnny director of Jastrol Pte ltd, Gerald sometime call Botak who is in-charge of money tranfering out of singapore and marketing,Bernard who is in-charge of the website.Alan who drive a BMW M6 is in-change of the marketing,Lester sometime call Kopi drive a WRX .They are all from SWISS　ＣＡＳＨ　ＳＣＡï¼ã€€ï½†ï½…ｗ　ｙｅï½�ｒｓ　ｂï½�ｃｋ
can intro me inside?? >>can you help me?<<
i wanna get to know the details of the scam in details and in person to see, explore and find their loopholes myself.
possible??
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Ya Sure, I can ask the victim to sign up a account and let you log in to see. You can email me at [email protected] for more detail.
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Sunshine Empire has finally fallen!
More interestingly, I just discovered something juicy:
Jarrod Luo, Honorary Secretary of Young Democrats (youth wing of Singapore Democratic Party), is involved in Sunshine Empire. He is involved with an online gambling business Forwin88.com, a project under Grand Elitia (a splinter company from Sunshine Empire).
Online gambling is illegal in Singapore and yet this political activist is involved in it.
See his photos here @ http://notmysdp.blogspot.com/2009/10/whos-jarrod-luo.html
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Originally posted by Moneyscam2009:
Ya Sure, I can ask the victim to sign up a account and let you log in to see. You can email me at [email protected] for more detail.
eh, is there any other way to reach you because i would prefer to go down to the office to see, feel, look and explore around before coming to any conclusion or analysis of the company be it good, bad or average.
As for showing me the account, thanks but no thanks, why waste money unnecessary just to show me what the account look like? There are other ways around this account issue. As long as there's a will, there's a way.
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Originally posted by NOTMYSDP:
Sunshine Empire has finally fallen!
More interestingly, I just discovered something juicy:
Jarrod Luo, Honorary Secretary of Young Democrats (youth wing of Singapore Democratic Party), is involved in Sunshine Empire. He is involved with an online gambling business Forwin88.com, a project under Grand Elitia (a splinter company from Sunshine Empire).
Online gambling is illegal in Singapore and yet this political activist is involved in it.
See his photos here @ http://notmysdp.blogspot.com/2009/10/whos-jarrod-luo.html
Gentle Reminder:
Thank you for your kind intentions of informing us of the inside news of the politician's involvment of that company.
However I've repeated myself many times not to post any company's name in my thread to avoid flaming thread replies which steer away from my original intention and objective of starting this thread.
Thanks again for sharing but please exercise discreetion when sharing the piece of information with us - at least by censoring with S**shi*** Empire else just quote a similar example which most of us majority can understand can liao.
Last but not the least, please start your own thread and post your links back in your own thread, instead of hijacking it.
Thank You.
Btw: Company hasn't fallen because of the project which you mention (please exercise discreet this time) that I've also was informed about this project from the same leader. He has just gone smarter diversifying to lower the risk, increasing difficulty in checking and closing a company in terms of law thanks to the tedious investigation work needed before hand.
Til they completed cease existence than we can celebrate, til than, we can only sharpen our knowledge and work on our previously strong inner sgforum update sharing power of information which made it so super active in Sgforums.
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{eh, is there any other way to reach you because i would prefer to go down to the office to see, feel, look and explore around before coming to any conclusion or analysis of the company be it good, bad or average.
As for showing me the account, thanks but no thanks, why waste money unnecessary just to show me what the account look like? There are other ways around this account issue. As long as there's a will, there's a way.}
As what i was told by those victims.There is no office in singapore.Those who invest are introduce by friends.GIO pay out 4% interest every 10 days to those who invest in them.Clubsirroccoasia investor will get 10% back every month , by the end of 1 year the amount invest will be return.They will bring every investor to combodia grand dragon casino to show the investor where they invest.As i know Gio is now operating it is very popular in hongkong right now as for clubsirroccoasia those who investor had not been receiving their interest since april 09.Those key person in-change i mention on my topic are responsible for all this.Some of the victim had report this to the police since june 09 .The police say they can do nothing as there upline say they themselve are investor only.
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if that's the case, than really no other choice already lor except to show me the account.
i'll need to take a look at the account.
will email you soon when i sort out my email stuffs.
btw, do you or your fren (who's the victim) have any black and white document for verification, i wanna take a look at the black and white documents tool for deeper understanding.. as well as their advertised ROI plan of the 2 companies in any form be it hard/soft copy.
and thanks for the insight news sharing.
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Hey Moneyscam, I'll be emailing you soon within these few days.
Sorry for the long delay as i had to adjustments to my life after ord.
Btw: any other new updates >> It seems that the forum is kind of quiet
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Hey guys, is there any other complaints, unplesant experience which anyone come across lately?
I might be able to come up with a netural advice/opinion if there's any remarks/feedbacks etc especially for people who are completely new in the industry.
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so many of these agents are disguising as employers. they leave a job offer saying their company are looking for sales persons to expand their company. and when u call them up they tell u its some retailing, sales job handling some big profile companies' sales like DBS etc. when u go down to meet that guy, u realise its all bullshit. he avoids your qns and ask u wait for his manager to come down and explain to u. and den u realise DBS has no relation to them. bravo! then u noe its time to bail out, but they wun let u go. they will bug u to no end. come out with fake stories to change your mind. and the only way to leave is walk right past them and ignore them. have fun!
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Originally posted by firerider:
so many of these agents are disguising as employers. they leave a job offer saying their company are looking for sales persons to expand their company. and when u call them up they tell u its some retailing, sales job handling some big profile companies' sales like DBS etc. when u go down to meet that guy, u realise its all bullshit. he avoids your qns and ask u wait for his manager to come down and explain to u. and den u realise DBS has no relation to them. bravo! then u noe its time to bail out, but they wun let u go. they will bug u to no end. come out with fake stories to change your mind. and the only way to leave is walk right past them and ignore them. have fun!
since you mention about this job offer disguise, than perhaps you guys should take a closer look at the classified job ads.
literally, there at least a few tell-tale signs of mlm advertising who are regularly paying newspapers for prospects.
i will not share how to look at it, but if you buy newspapers and look for jobs long enough, you will one day pick up how to see such recruitment job ad gimmicks.
plus overpromising and pulling links is the most often used method which they are using and it works on gullible,innocent, naive and ignorant people.
first thing first to save yourself from making a waste trip, ask them for company name and website for reference before even making any trip down. Proper business employment companies (non-mlms) should be able to come up front with these details.
hope this tip helps you and the rest of the readers.
btw: thanks for your contribution.
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Why bother arguing about MLMs to these close minded people?
1. they haven't join an MLM yet and just hear lots and lots of bad news, or a black sheep of MLM took them out for a tour, and they show them the business in a so unprofessional way.
2. they have not been in the same MLM company more than 2 years and doing it actively. Or they do it the wrong way, wrong company, wrong mentor. How long do you need to succeed in traditional biz?
all those arguing about ethics also come from these 2 groups. We do not need them in our business. We know that it is good for us and for the people around us, and our conscience is clear.
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Well, actually no point arguing as they are "right" from their point of view. It's just that whether we want to make use of our time to argue with them or we want to move on with what we are doing. We just share what we know here, saying any bad thing will not change the world. "Laws of attraction" as it is, think positively, then positive things will eventually happen.
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Originally posted by briseis:
Why bother arguing about MLMs to these close minded people?
1. they haven't join an MLM yet and just hear lots and lots of bad news, or a black sheep of MLM took them out for a tour, and they show them the business in a so unprofessional way.
2. they have not been in the same MLM company more than 2 years and doing it actively. Or they do it the wrong way, wrong company, wrong mentor. How long do you need to succeed in traditional biz?
all those arguing about ethics also come from these 2 groups. We do not need them in our business. We know that it is good for us and for the people around us, and our conscience is clear.
just keep on learning..and you will understand why in time to come..hopefully by than you haven give up yet.
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Originally posted by Eric SK:
Well, actually no point arguing as they are "right" from their point of view. It's just that whether we want to make use of our time to argue with them or we want to move on with what we are doing. We just share what we know here, saying any bad thing will not change the world. "Laws of attraction" as it is, think positively, then positive things will eventually happen.
if you think i am arguing...than perhaps i am..who knows..the answer lies in each of us..as we all have our own opinions and answers to nobody but ourselves.
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Originally posted by Eric SK:
Well, actually no point arguing as they are "right" from their point of view. It's just that whether we want to make use of our time to argue with them or we want to move on with what we are doing. We just share what we know here, saying any bad thing will not change the world. "Laws of attraction" as it is, think positively, then positive things will eventually happen.
Another one attempting to use the "laws of attraction" ?
Just adopt a critical and inquisitive mind on anything that comes your way to avoid being brain-washed by your upline.
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the fallen, just a question, can MLM and Traditional Biz done together??and oh ya, about the complains, jz curious about the part in ur first post which mention showing off wealth to long-lost friends very common?? thanks..