write your complaints against mlm agents here!
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last time during vacation i go to gumtree.sg. then got a job offer state part-time office job, doing paperwork. then after i meet them, they tell me to sell product...
After doing research then i noe is MLM....
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Originally posted by Skinnypig01:
last time during vacation i go to gumtree.sg. then got a job offer state part-time office job, doing paperwork. then after i meet them, they tell me to sell product...
After doing research then i noe is MLM....
if you want to avoid such fake job applications in future..just take note of a couple of points when refering to job posts from both online and offline.
1. Company name
2. Clear description of job scope, duties and responsbilities
3. Work experience required if any (usually MLM companies don't have criteria)
4. Academic qualification - No such filter..(avoid such work posts if they didn't specify)
If you're culeless on why their job description doesn't match their job posted online..just post them..and you'll learn how they bend the use of words to their advantage..if ever they are even trained in that area..
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last time i also thought that mlm is fake.
but after couple of months of testing and trying, i find actually mlm is okay.
I earn quite a bit money from mlm. The thing is there are too many fake companies out there to scam you.
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its time to steer clear of such business schemes...given this year of he watershed dragon....
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Originally posted by Skinnypig01:
last time i also thought that mlm is fake.
but after couple of months of testing and trying, i find actually mlm is okay.
I earn quite a bit money from mlm. The thing is there are too many fake companies out there to scam you.
Clarification: Any business or any occupation (JOB) can make money. It's just a matter of the key point that is "How much is the DIFFERENCE between the choices you make".
It's not that companies are trying to scam people, rather it's people who are misleading people for the 1 and only reason - to remain consistent in maintain MONTHLY COMMISSION, thus forcing themselves to consistently mislead people to join.
Businesses (Company) is doing legitimate business govern by LAW, it's the independpent distributors (regardless of companies) that makes the KEY DIFFERENCE, having said that, it's now all subjected to how we select who to trust, what to look at and compare and how to determine if the "Opportunity" is suitable for each individual, as network marketing isn't suitable for everybody.
However network marketing is suitable for everybody..hope I'm not confusing you readers.
If anybody have questions mark, ask and seek clarification of your doubts (if any).
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Originally posted by Fcukpap:
its time to steer clear of such business schemes...given this year of he watershed dragon....
Any time is always a good time steer clear of it. Subjected to what you want to learn from such business nature and how much can this experiences help you save in future, when it comes to selection of suitable, ethical and honest business partners in future when we grow older.
My personal opinion: better early than to be late.
Pay few thosand for tution fee on learning the mistakes to avoid, thus the same mistakes will not be repeated on a more costly decision later in our lives such as going-ahead with starting a business that cost a quater of a million..and average-people can only afford to fail 1 time..
The only bullet, betting all the success on it..odds of wining without experience = 0.001% success rate after 10 years.
That's how I look at the naive decisions I made in the past and how I benefited from my past experiences putting them into good use currently.
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now it's MY TURN to complain..haha..
recently..i was again mislead by somebody to go down to listen to a 'talk' by one of the 'new' network marketing company claiming to be offering pioneer opportunities..
had it not being for the person who invited me was a long-time friend, i would have left immediately after 2-3 mintues after the MC started talking since he did clarify it is a network marketing opportunity.
Finally after all these years..this industry to me now is nearly Crystal Clear to me..in terms of how the industry functions in Singapore's context, the training standards of distributors as well as their ethical and moral compass are majority in the wrong direction.
No wonder after so many years, there's still no progress in the quality of distributors..they are doing 80% duplication, of which all 80% are negative practices, thus leaving out the 20% positive practices.
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One lady i got to know from a networking event invited me out for dinner (on dutch) then brought me up to her office, then try to sell me some slimming products. I told her I don't need it, but she pestered me non stop and told me how good it will be for me... bla bla, in the end, i bought.... then regret... obviously coz it cost me $3000 (and I don't have much left in the bank back then).... seriously, i totally regret, called her next day since most times there are "cooling off" period, she says no such things and keep asking me to continue to take it.... she is really damn annoying, i can't shake her off, she brought her hubby to talk to me and I wasted another 2 hours with them... from then on... I want to have nothing to do with her... her style detests me for sure.... i regret not going to the authorities to complain coz we all have rights to cooling off for any mlm companies here in Singapore. Guys and girls, pls know your rights and don't fall into their traps.
All the best to your endeavours!
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Originally posted by theVeronica:
One lady i got to know from a networking event invited me out for dinner (on dutch) then brought me up to her office, then try to sell me some slimming products. I told her I don't need it, but she pestered me non stop and told me how good it will be for me... bla bla, in the end, i bought.... then regret... obviously coz it cost me $3000 (and I don't have much left in the bank back then).... seriously, i totally regret, called her next day since most times there are "cooling off" period, she says no such things and keep asking me to continue to take it.... she is really damn annoying, i can't shake her off, she brought her hubby to talk to me and I wasted another 2 hours with them... from then on... I want to have nothing to do with her... her style detests me for sure.... i regret not going to the authorities to complain coz we all have rights to cooling off for any mlm companies here in Singapore. Guys and girls, pls know your rights and don't fall into their traps.
All the best to your endeavours!
Well, that's a typical example of hard-selling distributor who got only her mind on hitting her target.
Just treat the the $2K plus as your tuition fee on how you should learn to say No, a firm NO.
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Hi Guys & Gals,
If there's anybody who like to complain on network marketing distributors, feel free to post there here, I'll try my best to answer your query to the best of my abilities.
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Hmm, after reading all the comments here, it seems that i am one of the luckier ones.
I know of mlm scams as I once had a friend tried to recruit me into some investment company with a startup fee of $300, and he said i will earn $100 per person i recruit. I quickly said no, although 2 years later, i can see that he has achieved quite a high rank in his company.
I got to truly know mlm when I distributed flyers for mooncakes when i had free time. My upline shared with me about mlm when i collected my pay for the flyers. For my company, joining fee is $25, with $12 discount on first purchase. The sales kit itself has catalogs, price lists, cds and stuff. He gave me samples of their shampoo, conditioners and other products which i liked quite alot. I also did about a week of research before signing up with my $25
For my company, I can't recruit people till i made about $600 in sales, i guess it is to weed out those potential mass recruiters. My upline gave me quite alot of support, meeting me about once or twice per week, even driving to my house to pass me the products,he also hosts facial trial sessions for his downlines, no matter how far down, at his own costs.
To be honest, at their trainings or meetings, there are some obvious forced clapping by the experienced ones, which i don't realy like, plus showing of some scary pictures during product demo training (for health related product).
Close to 3 months in, I can see my income coming in, and i will continue in this business, spending 3 to 4hrs per week. I guess i had a good upline with 9 years of experience to show me the ropes, coupled with the fact that i like the products that I can start this business.
TBH, i wouldnt join an mlm if i do not like their products. I would advise others who are looking into mlm to research first, try their products and look for the right person. Selling what you like would be alot easier and it will be more like "sharing the good things" instead of selling.
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Originally posted by Shockyy:
Hmm, after reading all the comments here, it seems that i am one of the luckier ones.
I know of mlm scams as I once had a friend tried to recruit me into some investment company with a startup fee of $300, and he said i will earn $100 per person i recruit. I quickly said no, although 2 years later, i can see that he has achieved quite a high rank in his company.
I got to truly know mlm when I distributed flyers for mooncakes when i had free time. My upline shared with me about mlm when i collected my pay for the flyers. For my company, joining fee is $25, with $12 discount on first purchase. The sales kit itself has catalogs, price lists, cds and stuff. He gave me samples of their shampoo, conditioners and other products which i liked quite alot. I also did about a week of research before signing up with my $25
For my company, I can't recruit people till i made about $600 in sales, i guess it is to weed out those potential mass recruiters. My upline gave me quite alot of support, meeting me about once or twice per week, even driving to my house to pass me the products,he also hosts facial trial sessions for his downlines, no matter how far down, at his own costs.
To be honest, at their trainings or meetings, there are some obvious forced clapping by the experienced ones, which i don't realy like, plus showing of some scary pictures during product demo training (for health related product).
Close to 3 months in, I can see my income coming in, and i will continue in this business, spending 3 to 4hrs per week. I guess i had a good upline with 9 years of experience to show me the ropes, coupled with the fact that i like the products that I can start this business.
TBH, i wouldnt join an mlm if i do not like their products. I would advise others who are looking into mlm to research first, try their products and look for the right person. Selling what you like would be alot easier and it will be more like "sharing the good things" instead of selling.
Well, every company has their own pros and cons regardless of how good they are as no company/individual can achieve perfection.
The route to succeed falls ultimately on oneself, having a good upline is a bonus, not an entitlement.
A good upline is like a teacher "who can only lead you in the right way, but cannot help you gain mastery"
as there's a saying
师父带入门，修行é� 个人。
don't be over-dependent on your mentor, learn to stand on your own 2 feet, that's how i learn..and learn over and beyond what you should know...if you like to have an competitive edge above the others.
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It's being quite quiet these days..if there's any questions, feel free to ask, as long as no company name is mention, and no negative flamming nor moving away from the Subject of this Thread Title.
Any helpful advice and reply will be appreciated.
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Well, it's good to see that the MLM forums is getting to get a new life with newer threads and new companies.
While new companies come and go..be on a look-out for the companies that are really out to help individuals succeed..though it might be quite difficult for newbies in the sales line to figure it out..
Anyway..if there's any complaints or unsatisfaction about any network marketing/direct selling company, feel free to voice it out here.
Do take note not to quoting the name to maintain the netural policy of this thread for the benefit of all other readers who are here to learn too.
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Well, it's being many years since i was first introduced to network marketing..having gone through the process..I now understand why it's difficult to succeed in a network marketing company..
like any other businesses, it is the timing and the opportunity presented to you that you must analyze if it's the right fit..
From a Active to Inactive distributor..then to a Skeptic/Anti-MLM before returning to a Netural position before being a consumer..it's being a long process.
To sum it up real quick..it's all business, and no business is as simple as it seems it is.
Back to the topic - the only complaint that I still have is that as companies evolve and grow, local and even global companies are myopic in one way or another..when it comes to customer servicing and updating their once valuable clients on the direction and updates of the company.
The ability to retain customers is what makes the difference between a successful business to that of a average company.
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Any new complaints or unsatisification with any new network marketing distributor lately?
if anybody would like to learn how to determine if the person whom is recruitng you has tr necessary skills to do so, feel free to jot down ur feedback.
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hmm..
recently i heard from my friends that the network marketing activities are picking up again..and lots of people are joining 1-2 companies in particular..
With activities and participation comes complaints..
But i didn't read any complaints lately..
Has they improved the customer servicing or did they give full refund to make the forum a quiet place or are the new distributors simply unaware that the purchases can be refunded within a certain window period?
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Be careful of some of these people. They will "lure" you with "high flying professionals" or "graduates with promising career", and say they want to help you become successful. They make use of you, ask you to buy their products or invest money to buy goods so that they earn money and get to the so called "top" level they are at now.
Chris Chang
Josephine Chang
Leong Kum Kei
Lim Boon Song Ronald
Lim Boon Yee Don
Lim Pauline
Lum Peng Cheong
Ng Aik Phong
Tan Boon Hwee
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Originally posted by Astrobenny:
Be careful of some of these people. They will "lure" you with "high flying professionals" or "graduates with promising career", and say they want to help you become successful. They make use of you, ask you to buy their products or invest money to buy goods so that they earn money and get to the so called "top" level they are at now.
Chris Chang
Josephine Chang
Leong Kum Kei
Lim Boon Song Ronald
Lim Boon Yee Don
Lim Pauline
Lum Peng Cheong
Ng Aik Phong
Tan Boon Hwee
Yong Yia Chil AlvinThanks for voicing your complaints, it would be of more value if you could share with us all on how/what is this complaint about?
Since all of us don't know what happen that lead to the complaint of yours, can you tell us what actually happened?
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Hi fallen, how have you been? Stumbled upon this thread and read all the stuff I typed when I was a kid.
Though I have grown, my views hasn't changed a single bit.. I still discourage my friends from participating in mlm (or any form of dirrect sales) as I firmly believe that those forms of business models are made to earn from people who join ( be it their relatives or them themselves )
Just want to know if your viewpoint on mlms have changed
Cheers !!
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
Hi fallen, how have you been? Stumbled upon this thread and read all the stuff I typed when I was a kid.
Though I have grown, my views hasn't changed a single bit.. I still discourage my friends from participating in mlm (or any form of dirrect sales) as I firmly believe that those forms of business models are made to earn from people who join ( be it their relatives or them themselves )
Just want to know if your viewpoint on mlms have changed
Cheers !!
Hello, long time no see..glad to see your post..
Well, as for me..my views still reviews the same towards network marketing..it's a industry that's good for individuals who wants to learn the art of selling..
My views still remains, to help get rid of black sheeps who overpromise and under-delivers (which misleads people into wasting their hard earned money).
It's just 1 week ago that my views changed from netural to accepting it (but proceed with caution) type after coming into contact of opportunities where i see good opportunties..from the initial skeptic to netural after having this 2 threads which i monitor.
I'm surprised myself to see find myself with the possibility to return back to this industry after all these years.
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Hi. I have been reading alot of negative threads about MLM. It seems to me that MLM is bad. I understand it's now called direct sellling or network marketing.
I have been searching for a good and honest MLM company and i now realise that most MLM company are good. Only that the people who joined and the way they get the downlines are questionable.
What I believe to join an established MLM company, is to join the right team with good leaders who will guide you in good times and also in bad.
Don't you think so?
Regards
Micheal
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Originally posted by michealsam:
Hi. I have been reading alot of negative threads about MLM. It seems to me that MLM is bad. I understand it's now called direct sellling or network marketing.
I have been searching for a good and honest MLM company and i now realise that most MLM company are good. Only that the people who joined and the way they get the downlines are questionable.
What I believe to join an established MLM company, is to join the right team with good leaders who will guide you in good times and also in bad.
Don't you think so?
Regards
Micheal
Based on my most recent understanding after going to an appointment to find out what's happening out there in network marketing.
It seems to me that there are still good companies, but with average leaders only.
There is however an opportunity that I myself is also looking at that caught my eye which has passed my personal criterias (many layers of conditions after being in this industry for more since 2005).
i'm quite surprised that there is still at least something out there that's worth looking at.
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Originally posted by michealsam:
Hi. I have been reading alot of negative threads about MLM. It seems to me that MLM is bad. I understand it's now called direct sellling or network marketing.
I have been searching for a good and honest MLM company and i now realise that most MLM company are good. Only that the people who joined and the way they get the downlines are questionable.
What I believe to join an established MLM company, is to join the right team with good leaders who will guide you in good times and also in bad.
Don't you think so?
Regards
Micheal
Hi Michael, it is true that there are many negatives threads about MLM because of illegal pyramid schemes in the past and the manner of how some network marketers do business.
However, that doesn't mean a person should give up on the profession if he or she sees the benefits and rewards of being successful in MLM. Just that it will take hard work, preserverance and some time. Most importantly, every network marketer should do their part in educating the masses what is network marketing really about, rather than trying to pitch what they have.
You're right: find an established company with quality products and a successful team/mentor to guide you.
Admin - if posting my own site is not allowed, please do remove it. Thanks!
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Originally posted by Carl.C:
Hi Michael, it is true that there are many negatives threads about MLM because of illegal pyramid schemes in the past and the manner of how some network marketers do business.
However, that doesn't mean a person should give up on the profession if he or she sees the benefits and rewards of being successful in MLM. Just that it will take hard work, preserverance and some time. Most importantly, every network marketer should do their part in educating the masses what is network marketing really about, rather than trying to pitch what they have.
You're right: find an established company with quality products and a successful team/mentor to guide you
Admin - if posting my own site is not allowed, please do remove it. Thanks!
Well, nice try using the typical post and edit practice used by lots of forum users to try to bypass the moderator's notification of new post (if they choose to monitor and be updated of new posts).
However since I am looking after the 2 threads that I started to remain netural..
That website link is not really netural.
If you like to share, do it via PM..
Since you post it online publicly, as another trainined Internet Marketer, I'll just give you an immediate feedback.The link is giving a POOR USER EXPERIENCE.
What it means is that even if I were to click on the link to find out more information, the website failed to load, so if you're doing a business and gives a non-operating website reference, you're get no business. It will reflect bad on you as well.
So much so for trying to "remain netural".
I'll try to upload the screenshot of the error msg later once I can find a link to upload the image.
Anyway: If you want to share a business opportunity, PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD!
Such behavior is not professional of you to HIJACK a thread that I created with the intention to provide netural views and advice to newbies.