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This video is rife with logical fallacies. Tim Sales states, for instance, that the comparison to casino odds is taken out of context. Yet he takes it out of context by refusing to note how the comparison is drawn from a critics' understanding of the geometric recruitment model. When he finally does mention the model, it isn't in reference to the casino odds, but just to state that in an article he once read someone said the model leads to failure.When he mentions the article about the recruitment model, he doesn't refute the point made by the author by making any direct attempt to disprove it. Instead, he just points out that the author never tried it, and therefore must be unqualified to criticize it. He then compares math to science, as if a mathematical concept and a scientific theory are the same thing. I know of no mathematical concept that, once proved mathematically, has been disproven mathematically.He points out that people who write about and/or teach certain subjects do so because they can not do what they write about and/or teach. Setting aside for a moment his calmly stated insult, he is also implying that education is useless. He's pitting education against experience and asking people to choose only experience. He fails, or refuses, to mention that each can build on the strength of the other. Companies who seek employees look for both qualities.Another logical fallacy he makes regarding the article he read is that by suggesting that the author has no experience in MLM, that his or her observations on the exponential recruitment model can not possibly be accurate (another reason to undermine education). Yet the validity of a mathematical concept does not depend on anyone's opinion or experience. If it expands at a geometric rate, with a corresponding market shrinkage, it does so regardless of anyone's wishes or experience.Maths is meant to show an unbiased reading for those who succeeded vs failed. That is all it should be used for. To use these statitics to show why you shouldn't join network marketing is absurd, because again....where's the variables that determined those who failed vs those who succeeded?
You catch my drift? What did those who failed do that led them to fail? And what did those who succeeded do that led them to succeed? That is what statistics can't measure. -
anyway... its not that people make money or not...
its the fact that there are people that actually lose money in this companies...If you were to take the same ammount to invest, you would earn much much more that what u do in the mlm company...
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one more flaw...
he used the saying that in traditional business its only the people at the top who earns most, and people at the bottom who struggles, right?
however, mlms claim that you are STARTING YOUR OWN FKING BUSINESS... so you would that stand? unless u are their employee -
Originally posted by elementalangel:
anyway... its not that people make money or not...
its the fact that there are people that actually lose money in this companies...If you were to take the same ammount to invest, you would earn much much more that what u do in the mlm company...
From your tone, I believe that even if I give you thousands of evidence, you will still not believe me...but I will still try...
Every MLM company encourages you to get a starter kit to fimilarise you with the product... That will act as tool to begin your sales... If someone gives up half way because he can't make any sales the first few attempt, his investment is lost then he will say that this MLM business cheat me of my money...
Compare that to someone who invested on the starter kit, then was able to make sales coz he never gave up, he will be saying this MLM business is a good investment...
So it depends on who you chose to listen to...
Like the video says... there are people who tried to get into many things like dieting, pro golf, martial arts and "failed"... why should MLM be any different...
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
one more flaw...
he used the saying that in traditional business its only the people at the top who earns most, and people at the bottom who struggles, right?
however, mlms claim that you are STARTING YOUR OWN FKING BUSINESS... so you would that stand? unless u are their employeeI see no head or tail in this post...
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
From your tone, I believe that even if I give you thousands of evidence, you will still not believe me...but I will still try...
Every MLM company encourages you to get a starter kit to fimilarise you with the product... That will act as tool to begin your sales... If someone gives up half way because he can't make any sales the first few attempt, his investment is lost then he will say that this MLM business cheat me of my money...
Compare that to someone who invested on the starter kit, then was able to make sales coz he never gave up, he will be saying this MLM business is a good investment...
So it depends on who you chose to listen to...
Like the video says... there are people who tried to get into many things like dieting, pro golf, martial arts and "failed"... why should MLM be any different...
the problem is that, being a golfer does not promise you money, dieting does not promise you money and martial arts by itself does not promise you money,,,
even if it does, it would probably be an mlm scheme... -
Originally posted by MohamedF:
I see no head or tail in this post...
do you see the irony?
that guy claimeed that while in a traditional business, the ones at the bottom earns the least....
then, he says that when you start your own business in an mlm... the bottom also earns the least.... does he mean you are just an employee? -
Originally posted by elementalangel:
do you see the irony?
that guy claimeed that while in a traditional business, the ones at the bottom earns the least....
then, he says that when you start your own business in an mlm... the bottom also earns the least.... does he mean you are just an employee?another post with no head or tail...
MLM is a compensation based system... you produce no result, you get nothing... you produce some result, you get something... you produce a lot of results, you get a lot of things...
so if you quit, there is no way you can see any money from them...
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
another post with no head or tail...
MLM is a compensation based system... you produce no result, you get nothing... you produce some result, you get something... you produce a lot of results, you get a lot of things...
so if you quit, there is no way you can see any money from them...
are you replying to my other post instead? if so, it too does not answer the qn.. how about answering my previous question?
or are you admitting that mlmers are actually employees instead of entrepreneurs of mlms -
Originally posted by elementalangel:
do you see the irony?
that guy claimeed that while in a traditional business, the ones at the bottom earns the least....
then, he says that when you start your own business in an mlm... the bottom also earns the least.... does he mean you are just an employee?So... what's your point... every organisation in creation have people at the top earning more than people at the bottom... but that doesn't mean uplines can be freeloaders...
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
So... what's your point... every organisation in creation have people at the top earning more than people at the bottom... but that doesn't mean uplines can be freeloaders...
what i was pointing out was the irony about mlmers calling themselves entrepreneurs thats all.... how about answering the golf question? -
Originally posted by elementalangel:
are you replying to my other post instead? if so, it too does not answer the qn.. how about answering my previous question?
or are you admitting that mlmers are actually employees instead of entrepreneurs of mlmsMLMers are employee to the company ultimately... but unlike traditional employees, MLMers are left on their own to market and sell just like you would own a business... in other words, you start a business with someone else's product...
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so mlmers are still employees? do you know salesmen are also left on their own market to sell their companies products?
please answer my qnthe problem is that, being a golfer does not promise you money, dieting does not promise you money and martial arts by itself does not promise you money,,,
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
so mlmers are still employees? do you know salesmen are also left on their own market to sell their companies products?
please answer my qnthe problem is that, being a golfer does not promise you money, dieting does not promise you money and martial arts by itself does not promise you money,,,
even if it does, it would probably be an mlm scheme...sales men are left on their own but they don't get to have salesmen under them...
robert kyosaki mentioned that there are 4 type of income earners...
1) The average employee
2) Self employed
3) Businessmen who have people working for them
4) Investors - people who make their money work for theman MLMer is an employee who with the characteristics of a businessman
I think I finally get what you mean... golfer doesn't promise money, they promise result... people take up golfing with hopes to achieve pro status, people take up dieting with hopes to lose weight... same goes with martial arts... if these people quit half way, they will never become what they want to achieve when they take up golfing, dieting and martial arts...
same with MLM...
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buying a golf club does not promise you results...
buying an excercise machine does not promise you results when u dont use it..
ahhh finally martial arts, yes! it promises you results if you stick to what your instructor said... unlike mlms with a 99.7% fail rate.. which is what mlmers themselves quoted..
salesmen get to recruit.. however, there is a limit as they woudl not want to affect market saturation... that is because they get a fixed pay.. make it this way, the more they sell the more they get to recruit -
Originally posted by elementalangel:
buying a golf club does not promise you results...
buying an excercise machine does not promise you results when u dont use it..
ahhh finally martial arts, yes! it promises you results if you stick to what your instructor said... unlike mlms with a 99.7% fail rate.. which is what mlmers themselves quoted..
salesmen get to recruit.. however, there is a limit as they woudl not want to affect market saturation... that is because they get a fixed pay.. make it this way, the more they sell the more they get to recruitbut you take up golf without a golf club will confirm get no results...
the MLM starter kit are not a gurantee can get results one... it is a tool for you to get a head starts... in the end, results are all up to your own efforts...
99.7%??? don't go and pick off random numbers...
like that salesman are mlmers already loh...
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wow... thats new..
has an mlmer ever spoke to you like this before? " if you join me, in three months i can gurantee you could __________ " fill it with whatever incentive
sorry about the 99.7.. i am wrong.... its actually 97% pardon my forgetfullness... google, youtube for mlm fail rate and that is what you get...nope.. salesmen are not mlmers .. u know why? coz they have basic pay of thousands.. so pease dont associate mlmers with them
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
wow... thats new..
has an mlmer ever spoke to you like this before? " if you join me, in three months i can gurantee you could __________ " fill it with whatever incentive
sorry about the 99.7.. i am wrong.... its actually 97% pardon my forgetfullness... google, youtube for mlm fail rate and that is what you get...nope.. salesmen are not mlmers .. u know why? coz they have basic pay of thousands.. so pease dont associate mlmers with them
Got one MLM company which starts with a V told me that... but I quit that company coz of their dirty tactics and questionable product and waste my time...
But I've found another company which my friend brought me to and love it... For one thing, it doesn't have a cult like culture like the other company... everyone is someone else's friend... We are also told never to do sneak or forceful sales... and we must disclose the fact that your reward is based on your result... gurantee $10,000 within 3 months is not impossible but if you can produce such results...
but the main reason why I chose this company is because it cured my mom's arthritis... I guess I owe that to the company...
Salesmen get basic pay...? Means they do nothing still get paid???
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Oh yea... my company also don't want to accept any one... they must fulfill 3 criteria... 1) have time (2) Willing to learn (3) have good peserverience...
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No problem MohamedF, take this experience you have in MLM to cultivate your powers of conviction and persuasion.
At least, in the future, if you're not into MLM anymore, you will have gained much.
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
Got one MLM company which starts with a V told me that... but I quit that company coz of their dirty tactics and questionable product and waste my time...
But I've found another company which my friend brought me to and love it... For one thing, it doesn't have a cult like culture like the other company... everyone is someone else's friend... We are also told never to do sneak or forceful sales... and we must disclose the fact that your reward is based on your result... gurantee $10,000 within 3 months is not impossible but if you can produce such results...
but the main reason why I chose this company is because it cured my mom's arthritis... I guess I owe that to the company...
Salesmen get basic pay...? Means they do nothing still get paid???
they still have to attend briefings, feed back to their company... so they do not do nothing and get paid... their sales would usually make the main bulk of their pay...
anyway one more thing... in mlm everyone is your enemy.. not friend.. i dont see why you guys see each others as friends.. you are all selling the same products to the same market... only your uplines might regard you as a friend, what about ur sidelines? -
The biggest thing I learned from the business.. is the integrity and teamwork and helping others.. nomatter who they are.. sidelines or other groups etc.. so the above sentence is really quite laughable to me
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Originally posted by simpleboi:
The biggest thing I learned from the business.. is the integrity and teamwork and helping others.. nomatter who they are.. sidelines or other groups etc.. so the above sentence is really quite laughable to me
agreed...