ExpoSE
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Lol, i'm right, those still inside are 'brain washed' or 'sucked in'... happy new year! ya call ah phang their father..hahaha.. i think Mr.lee kuan yew (the one who raise singapore) is more appropraite to be called father.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Which is like....so?
Which is like I agree lor.
Nothing more.
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Originally posted by nightmares:
lol? worshipping? Do they go down on their knees and pray? LOL!
How old are you dude?
Okay so tell me. What is calling some fella who had a long history (say 10 years) of failed projects and history of telling people to "invest" (or what ever word they use to describe u putting money in) in projects which either collapse, are non existant or suddenly change midway, calling him Father?
Saying good things about him, pitying on him cos of his "sad past", agreeing to whatever he says, etc
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whatever, their ROI is so high and somemore Phang is better than Warren Buffert. all about $$ ma, I love to have more money too =)
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and again, not only you ignored my challenge but also ignored my question, so what can i conclude from here? Just don't go around pretending you are an ex-se member and when someone question you that makes him or her a se ppl.
As a ex-se high ranking manager, not certain, or simply, not knowing what the heck their managment is, not knowing what he is doing over there, but able to make sales to climb up to his position, full of criticism and discrimination and even uses the sources from here in providing you for your statement. what a guy you are, geez...
I never go around asking people to prove se is a scam ah, i never ask redstone or someone else, i don think i even say a good word about them. Don just point finger say "YOU" are one of them, is bad you know =]
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Whatever. This kind of stupid childish challenge dont expect me to entertain you.
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Originally posted by YamChan:
whatever, their ROI is so high and somemore Phang is better than Warren Buffert. all about $$ ma, I love to have more money too =)
Lol, who doesnt? Me too. -
So where is Yong and Phang running to?
Fake wireless project, still give excuse that it's a "private company". Excuse me, telecoms project, must need government approval, be it private or not. Otherwise it'll be a pirate service.
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Originally posted by Zwei51:
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and again, not only you ignored my challenge but also ignored my question, so what can i conclude from here? Just don't go around pretending you are an ex-se member and when someone question you that makes him or her a se ppl.
As a ex-se high ranking manager, not certain, or simply, not knowing what the heck their managment is, not knowing what he is doing over there, but able to make sales to climb up to his position, full of criticism and discrimination and even uses the sources from here in providing you for your statement. what a guy you are, geez...
I never go around asking people to prove se is a scam ah, i never ask redstone or someone else, i don think i even say a good word about them. Don just point finger say "YOU" are one of them, is bad you know =]
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Whatever. This kind of stupid childish challenge dont expect me to entertain you.
If the community over here take you seriously in regards to what you have provided here, i only can say one word " haizzz".
It doesnt worries me whether or not the communities here believe in something which is true, not true or unsure about, but kinda entertaining to the observer perspective, as people showing their hatred, surfacing their ulterior motive and so on.
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To mihiro
Come on lar, what do you want me to tell you? $1 versus $100 this kind of childish thing challenge, you want me to accept? THen like that lar, I challenge you if SE falls I give you $1, cos I know they sure fall. If SE can last until end of March without CAD closing them down you give me $10,000.00 you want?
COME LAR, CHALLENGE? No guts right? No convictions right?
Come, accept my challenge or be forever branded humji. Otherwise show me all the proof that SE can last until end mar.
You tell me la, this kind of challenge, you want to entertain me?
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Do you mind not opening so many threads?
One thread (main one) is suffice to chat abt SE
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Originally posted by Zwei51:
To mihiro
Come on lar, what do you want me to tell you? $1 versus $100 this kind of childish thing challenge, you want me to accept? THen like that lar, I challenge you if SE falls I give you $1, cos I know they sure fall. If SE can last until end of March without CAD closing them down you give me $10,000.00 you want?
COME LAR, CHALLENGE? No guts right? No convictions right?
Come, accept my challenge or be forever branded humji. Otherwise show me all the proof that SE can last until end mar.
You tell me la, this kind of challenge, you want to entertain me?
If u are once a Se member, i think they are very grateful that you left the coy, it is not about fearing of you exposing them, but disposing an ignorant person.
Right now you are asking for proof when the person doesnt have any connection with the coy, how ignorant X 2 can u be.
i have already justified to phaze in regards to the challenge, that this challenge is not about the amount that i am gambling, is about how Certain can you be, ignorant X 3.
Lastly, Please do not create multiple accounts, thats very childish. -
sekarli is an SE agent pose as an ex leh?
dont know why you all like to play this 'Whodunnit' game
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lol SE hot topic. everyone talking abt it. so 1track not enough for them. haha.
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haiz..
those anti-SE ones would continue to be anti, and those still in SE would continue to defend. 'Maybe' next time those SEs become anti-government? LOL i dunno.
since the first time i post in this thread, i find it entertaining as well, CAD still investigating and SE dunno what intention next. smoke grenade everywhere..
Safety ring 'twist'
safety pin 'pull'
safety pin 'out'
Grenade ready and prepared to throw Sir!
"Grenade!!!"
*grenade is a blind*
LOL, who will be the CE explomo?
SE or CAD?
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Haha, all the threads sibeh active lor.
I agree, 1 thread nt enuf, but hor, very mafan going into each and every 1 of it to read, lol
We shall see, will it be the Red corner (SE)? or the Blue corner (CAD)? ^^
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What red corner, when its one man show (christopher rf) vs the majority or the public?
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Originally posted by redstone:
How old are you dude?
Okay so tell me. What is calling some fella who had a long history (say 10 years) of failed projects and history of telling people to "invest" (or what ever word they use to describe u putting money in) in projects which either collapse, are non existant or suddenly change midway, calling him Father?
Saying good things about him, pitying on him cos of his "sad past", agreeing to whatever he says, etc
lol. i never agree on calling him father or anything like that. haha. i just find it amusing on the way you all argue abt these stuff. lol. i don't think he asked anyone to pity him or call him father, i think is the people's personally choice of calling him. haha. Also, how would anyone know if they would succeed in smth or not? We ain't god or anything. We're all humans. From my POV, i would say he is daring & doesn't give up easily. As you said he failed so many times but yet he still doesn't give up. To become successful you have to keep picking yourself up no matter how many times you fail. But from others POV, he seems to be "cheating". But he may be wanting to help others but some how or another wasnt that successful. In any case, it all depends on how we look at it. i mean, everything has a good side and a bad side so why not look on the good side of things instead of looking on the bad side
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JP's message
Dare to Fail
The glory of man is not in never experiencing
failure but in rising every time he fallsDare to Try
He who has never failed has never actually
tried doing anything with all his heart and soul.Dare to Dream
Dreams can remain mere illusions until they
are transformed into reality upon steadfast actionlol, he's really persistent until now, the battle between the two lion heads. maybe SE may not be able to stay in singapore because there already a lion, that's the spore lion..hahaha
One of characteristics of a lion is 'dominating', at the end of the battle, only one lion will stay.. lol.
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RecentlyI watched 'Ah Long Pte Ltd', and one suggestion just came to my thoughts, if this forum discussion would to add abit of or alot of 'profane' words, it would be like the show.. Lol!
Discussion Ratio
Intensive of arguement: 9/10
Content about SE: 10/10
Singaporean langguage: 6/10 without the 'lah, hor,'
Use of Dialect/Chinese for elaboration: 2/10 because not much
Profanity: 1/10 because 1 out of 5,000 words is a profane one, singapore is improving, good!
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To fail in business is not a sin , as long the business model is sincer and real. Examine the setup and registration of SE and its so claim affiliated company. it is design and setup in such way that it is mean to cheat the layman not in business. The company is registered in "Tua Pek Kong " name... etc JH. Any honest businessman will not do that .. It's a con jod right from begining and design to perform the indented task...
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Originally posted by nightmares:
lol. i never agree on calling him father or anything like that. haha. i just find it amusing on the way you all argue abt these stuff. lol. i don't think he asked anyone to pity him or call him father, i think is the people's personally choice of calling him. haha. Also, how would anyone know if they would succeed in smth or not? We ain't god or anything. We're all humans. From my POV, i would say he is daring & doesn't give up easily. As you said he failed so many times but yet he still doesn't give up. To become successful you have to keep picking yourself up no matter how many times you fail. But from others POV, he seems to be "cheating". But he may be wanting to help others but some how or another wasnt that successful. In any case, it all depends on how we look at it. i mean, everything has a good side and a bad side so why not look on the good side of things instead of looking on the bad side
So tell me, now that SE's payout had fallen to zero, the Taichung project had been proven false, what is so good about SE? What is it ultimately selling? Selling a dream like Phang said?
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Written by a guy back in Nov 2007.
http://incorrigibleadventures.blogspot.com/
Sunshine Empire.
The hottest topic has been going around. I have friends in SE and i can tell you that they are TOTALLY brained washed. From what i read from the newspapers and forums, the information i gather is actually VERY simple.
I shall not touch on how the scheme MLM(MULTI LEVEL MARKETING) works because google is your best friend.
1) Folks will put in lets say, $300.
2) Out of this $300, about $30 will be given to the person that introduced this MLM company to them
3) Then 10% will be taken from $300 to be used as loyalty rebate.
4) rest of the $300-$30-10% = $240, will be used to give this very handsome guy, called JAMES PHANG.
From what i know about James phang, be it from newspaper and whatever, James Phang has been declared BANKRUPT before. He has failed in his previous 3 attempts at MLM in previous years. And now Sunshine Empire is his 4th attempt at it. Not sure if he might perfect it, but i doubt so.
bankruptcy = + 10 fail points.
ok, let me declare first, whatever i say here, is based on what i know, what i hear from. Choose to believe it or not, up to you.
5) You are actually paying/working(recruiting folks) for your own loyalty rebates.
6) Sunshine Empire is what, claimed as a funding company, if you may, and wish, an investment company but by which they prefer not to be called, for a company called EMCOM in Taiwan. This company is currently building a wireless broadband connection that covers over 95% of taichung and some other places. Recently they are about to start on Vietnam.
But look. Read the newspapers recently and the papers will immediately tell you from their sources that SUNSHINE EMPIRE and EMCOM OR the company incharged of the whole broadband project is NOT related at all.SO now, folks are puzzled. So where did the money go to?
The sunshine folks will say, NAH! DONT BELIEVE THE PAPERS! BULL SHIT! WE HAVE BLACK AND WHITE!
black and white = - 5 fail points.
We also have projects like the MAGIC KINGDOM in Malaysia and many projects in Indonesia!
But wait! Where? Where are the hotels and casinos?
Sunshine Folks : Its not yet built, we are planning it.
Ordinary folks: So means its not built yet?
People, i can tell you i can plan for this and that. And i will psycho you that we need funds to build it and we guarantee high returns!
Ordinary folks: WAH QUICK BUY!
few months later...
Msian Govt: We have not received any information or request/permission to build anything.
Sunshine: But we have the CHIEF MINISTER's letter of approval.
So is it the Msian govt sucks at inter-communication or could SE be lying? I'm pretty sure these, printed on the papers, must be true. because the papers have a much bigger reputation to uphold then SE. Why would they publish something that isn't true? And with such a big coverage on the topic at that!
Turns out JAMES PHANG, the so call HEAD of the whole Sunshine Empire, is a share holder of EMCOM in taiwan which oversees the broadband project. From anybody's point of view, its pretty obvious that all the money he get from recruiting people, excluding the 10% and $30, the rest of the money goes into HIS pocket.
So lets do some basic calculation shall we?
Lets say he gets $1,000,000 from 1000 people. That is like 1000GPs worth roughly 11k each.
he uses this $1,000,000 and invests as a shareholder in EMCOM and will reel in high returns. He will then use these returns from the EMCOM project to pay back to the sunshine folks. Lets not even enter the topic into how much he actually gets from it. Its just...
the sunshine folks are the bank of NOT AMERICA, SINGAPORE or CHINA. the folks are the bank of James Phang. And he is actually sort of paying you interest ON top of paying back the initally "invested" money.
Greed, greed greed. Wouldn't the folks at sunshine ever discover that this company will DEFINITELY close? Not because of the government, but because of the way it works. Look, Singapore has 4.8 million. Currently SE has about 20,000 people. It will be a LONG LONG LONG time before it reaches the full 4.8million. But of course minusing the babies and stuff, we have a staggering figure of about 4million. minus the dying, and teenages, 2.5million. Its just matter of time before everyone is in this thing. Then how is a MLM company going to survive if everybody is in it and there is no more people to recruit?
Choice 1: END IT
Choice 2: Investment company.
But look, CAD is investigating the company. Investigating the company on its very investment-like schemes. Which tells us one thing. If this is indeed an investment company, BYE BYE sunshine empire Singapore. So this will DEFINITLY close down.
MLM companies are only good for the minority, the top few. It will suck for the last few.
many also think this is a betray scheme for friends. Its like using your friends for money. But of course,i dare say that you guys are in a "partnership" to find more people and you are actually extending an opportunity to your downline. So abit of twisting of words and suddenly everything is going on.
So untill Sunshine actually builds anything under its name, This this is totally just a ponzi scam. For the meaning ponzi, google is your best friend. In other words, you are buying for your own PSP/HP or whatever with you loyalty bonus and you are the Bank of James Phang aka {BJP} instead of POSB or DBS. So...go find more info ok? -
Well abduct, it seems up til now the Taichung project had not yet been proven, and now no news on it. Were'nt the Phang gang very enthusiastic about it? Ha ha ha
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NEW COMPANY FORMED BY TOP SUNSHINE MANAGERS AND REGISTERED IN HONG KONG.SE people are actively recruiting others to join a new MLM company known as World Connection International and I understand their payout is fantastic.
Anybody knows about the set up of this new MLM company.
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