Sunshine Empire
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Christopher.... I do not post any-o-how, or if I do not have the evidence.Originally posted by christopher_rf:And where did u hear that SE has always claimed they are simply a networking company and do not goes beyond introduction and recommending good opportunities for SE Merchants to invest in.
either you made it up, or some cockster tell you that and you blindly believe, its not in the official SE website
SE pays emcom for the products and marks up again to SE merchants,
like m1 and starhub pays vodafone for the products and mark up to sporeans.
normal biz
Please refer below..... This is the original SE Letter, the underlined and bolded words are SE's own.
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Simple Mathematics......Originally posted by christopher_rf:The make money from people who buy their in house products, sign up for merchant plans, and the Prime plans
if you would like i can explan what the prime plan is too, but i gtg for now, probably tonight or tmr
so u say u got CRP 10% of SE Turn Over from EMall and Prime Plans (Emcom fall under here)
say u gotten 300 USD as CRP.
say SE have 15000 GP holders.
then 300 USD x 15000 Members = 4500000 = 4.5M/Month
So SE 100% Turn Over per Month is 45M/Month. *Hmmm, wow !!!*
45Millions / 30 days = 1.5M/Days
So in a daily basic, u need to have generate 1.5M which included sales of
(Emall's Commission + GP) = 1.5M/Day
So say 1GP is 12k......
1.5M / 12k = 125 GP sales/day or Emall cut a commission of 500k which it is possible?.
So juggle between daily....if SE got 100GP Sales, still need to have 300k from Emall'a Commissions.
Either daily or weekly or monthly, hitting 45Millions just to churn out 10% which is 4.5Millions (300USD) to pay those greedy brainless worshiper, possible?
Say for example......
Cutting a 2750 GP deals in a months, which is only 33Millions, So Emall gonna cut minimum at least 12Millions a month just to get 45Millions to pay your 300USD, are sure Emall with that pathetic net traffic can earn 12 Millions Commssion
So another MATH Questions, how much commissions do Emall cut?
if it it just a noble 10% for each transaction, then Emall is selling 120Millions worth of items?
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Let's put this bluntly, then:Originally posted by christopher_rf:The make money from people who buy their in house products, sign up for merchant plans, and the Prime plans
if you would like i can explan what the prime plan is too, but i gtg for now, probably tonight or tmr
What products and services do SE sell?
And if you want to tell me about all this 'merchant plans' and 'prime plans' and whatever the heck they all are, please elaborate on how they are 'products and services'.
Because I've been asking this simple question since the previous thread, and no one has ever been able to give me a simple, concrete answer. -
Doubt he can also.....he who already miss interpreted their SE Official Letter.Originally posted by fudgester:Let's put this bluntly, then:
What products and services do SE sell?
And if you want to tell me about all this 'merchant plans' and 'prime plans' and whatever the heck they all are, please elaborate on how they are 'products and services'.
Because I've been asking this simple question since the previous thread, and no one has ever been able to give me a simple, concrete answer.
Haiz, another time waster coming in without "Nuke".
Later get sued by SE, then disown like the University SE Supporters, SAD! -
Say, if I make Mr A buy one of my memberships, and get Mr B to buy... Then get Miss C to buy too. So for Mr A I take Miss C and Mr B's money to pay Mr A, while using a telecoms company as a facade, also offering free callback services. Sound fishy?Originally posted by kyoshirou77:Doubt he can also.....he who already miss interpreted their SE Official Letter.
Haiz, another time waster coming in without "Nuke". -
Sunshine Empire officially have any products or services? If i am not wrong MTI states that company must a have products or service to sell.
I don't see if there is any? Well, they can claim that they sell online stores for people to sell stuffs. But the point is that even i own the E-store, without any transacted business i get paid. Meaning i rent a shop in Ngee Ann City, instead of me paying rent, i am paid by landlord to rent the place, no doubt there is 3+1 rental, i still paid SGD12K to Sunshine Empire for "rent" of webspace but whether are there any business transactions i get paid by "landlord" every month for the next 10 yrs instead of me paying the "landlord"?
In cantonese saying: where got such a big frog jumping around on the street?
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Not into Law, but SEAOriginally posted by D-TEG:Sunshine Empire officially have any products or services? If i am not wrong MTI states that company must a have products or service to sell.
I don't see if there is any? Well, they can claim that they sell online stores for people to sell stuffs. But the point is that even i own the E-store, without any transacted business i get paid. Meaning i rent a shop in Ngee Ann City, instead of me paying rent, i am paid by landlord to rent the place, no doubt there is 3+1 rental, i still paid SGD12K to Sunshine Empire for "rent" of webspace but whether are there any business transactions i get paid by "landlord" every month for the next 10 yrs instead of me paying the "landlord"?
In cantonese saying: where got such a big frog jumping around on the street?
Investors should look into it and really get out of it.
They claimed the "products" are Mall Points and Emcom Service's
Law seem never state that it must be a either "Solid" or "Virtual" objects.
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It seems to me that the "product" they are selling is epoints.Originally posted by D-TEG:Sunshine Empire officially have any products or services? If i am not wrong MTI states that company must a have products or service to sell.
I don't see if there is any? Well, they can claim that they sell online stores for people to sell stuffs. But the point is that even i own the E-store, without any transacted business i get paid. Meaning i rent a shop in Ngee Ann City, instead of me paying rent, i am paid by landlord to rent the place, no doubt there is 3+1 rental, i still paid SGD12K to Sunshine Empire for "rent" of webspace but whether are there any business transactions i get paid by "landlord" every month for the next 10 yrs instead of me paying the "landlord"?
In cantonese saying: where got such a big frog jumping around on the street?
Investors should look into it and really get out of it.
epoints is like a currency. Let's call it the James Phang Dollar.
The James Phang Dollar has no value. To give the James Phang Dollar value, he needs people to buy James Phang Dollars using other currencies that have value.
By promising high returns, he's basically asking people to lend him real money at a high interest rate.
He needs to continue paying out in order to maintain confidence in the James Phang Dollar so that people will continue to buy James Phang Dollars.
Assuming people keep buying James Phang Dollars, he has a float of money that he's able to use for investing in "real" projects. Once people stop buying, he has to rapidly depreciate the value of the James Phang Dollar so he does not have to pay back what people bought. -
Its even damaging when one ignorant investor pitch himself against several well informed people
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It's quite... entertainingOriginally posted by laurence82:Its even damaging when one ignorant investor pitch himself against several well informed people -
to myOriginally posted by christopher_rf:Who accepting payments? we should report them to CAD at once!
Don't stand in the way of the law, Call CAD now to make a report.Originally posted by abductboy:
I just checked and SE Singapore IS CLOSED although SE office in Toa Payoh is still operating.
They are accepting despite the CAD investigation. You wish me to betray my SE friends who informed me?
After 2000+ posts in the last SE thread, are we to start all over again?
BUT, people can still sign up under other countries via their Uplines ... that's means as an International Merchant.
Those that still continue to do so, should take heed of this particular sentence of the case published in Newpaper about Swiss cash (http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,153943,00.html)
In 2006, two Malaysian datuks and six others were placed in remand by Malaysian authorities. They helped in investigations into SwissCash, reported The Business Times.
In China, police found that 170,000 people had placed 1.36 billion yuan ($268 million) with SwissCash, Xinhua news agency reported.
More than 3,300 organisers and core members were arrested in 14 provinces and cities last year. -
When Cola transfer funds to grapes, they sign a contract, contract states that grapes will take out 50% of turnover to cola, but than again, its up to cola whether to give out the rebates to the pioneer customers.Originally posted by D-TEG:But the investments are not transacted under COLA its transacted under GRAPES. So if GRAPES make money they are not obligated to give dividends to COLA because its 2 different entity. Now then what will happen to COLA buyers? If suddenly they close down the brand because the brand don't sell, but funds raised from selling COLA in bulk has beed passed to GRAPE to do investments and say if lucky GRAPES make a fortune and don't need COLA to raise funds anymore. What will happen? Did you see that coming? Even BANKS transact under their names and brands. Your company has so many entity. I start to believe the projects are true and will be built but no dividends will be paid out if GRAPES had enough of fundings. COLA will shut and no one will have anything against James Phang because, according to the website and official memos, Empire Group Property or Alliance or Whatever has nothing to do with Sunshine Empire. Investors--SE(Money Mill)NO OFFICIAL CONNECTIONS--EGA(HQ)--Investments. Its a Eco chart but there is a loophole. Project true or not already not important to SE members, even there are projects it belongs to James Phang ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY. I hope i analyzed something useful from my layman point of view. Sorry if i offended anyone. -
Originally posted by kyoshirou77:
like i said, company can choose to give out more CRP, its entirely up to them,
Simple Mathematics......
so u say u got CRP 10% of SE Turn Over from EMall and Prime Plans (Emcom fall under here)
say u gotten 300 USD as CRP.
say SE have 15000 GP holders.
then 300 USD x 15000 Members = 4500000 = 4.5M/Month
So SE 100% Turn Over per Month is 45M/Month. *Hmmm, wow !!!*
45Millions / 30 days = 1.5M/Days
So in a daily basic, u need to have generate 1.5M which included sales of
(Emall's Commission + GP) = 1.5M/Day
So say 1GP is 12k......
1.5M / 12k = 125 GP sales/day or Emall cut a commission of 500k which it is possible?.
So juggle between daily....if SE got 100GP Sales, still need to have 300k from Emall'a Commissions.
Either daily or weekly or monthly, hitting 45Millions just to churn out 10% which is 4.5Millions (300USD) to pay those greedy brainless worshiper, possible?
Say for example......
Cutting a [b]2750 GP deals in a months, which is only 33Millions, So Emall gonna cut minimum at least 12Millions a month just to get 45Millions to pay your 300USD, are sure Emall with that pathetic net traffic can earn 12 Millions Commssion
So another MATH Questions, how much commissions do Emall cut?
if it it just a noble 10% for each transaction, then Emall is selling 120Millions worth of items?
What are you guys selling? Weapon of Mass Destruction? Overpriced Dream Catcher?
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currently all singapore CRP only range from 70-200 usd,
and are u sure turnover is 45m? -
And as a customer, Mr X receiving payout, would u be curious where Cola Corp gets such high returns to distribute to customers since Mr X had put in alot of money insid?
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Are you that Christopher Rio? One of James Phang's Loyal Big Dog Jackie Hoo's Little Dogs, Christopher? The one who ride motorbike and fell down and lost the whole fucking teeth? Are you that idiot fucker?Originally posted by christopher_rf:When Cola transfer funds to grapes, they sign a contract, contract states that grapes will take out 50% of turnover to cola, but than again, its up to cola whether to give out the rebates to the pioneer customers. -
I remember last time they did post this guy's friendster link beforeOriginally posted by Felt Cheated By NTI:Are you that Christopher Rio? One of James Phang's Loyal Big Dog Jackie Hoo's Little Dogs, Christopher? The one who ride motorbike and fell down and lost the whole fucking teeth? Are you that idiot fucker? -
And without guarantee, all the promises about high returns are just that...promisesOriginally posted by redstone:And as a customer, Mr X receiving payout, would u be curious where Cola Corp gets such high returns to distribute to customers since Mr X had put in alot of money insid?
It doesnt make the scheme more fantastic than any other investment scheme -
And where does this money come from is still fishy.Originally posted by laurence82:And without guarantee, all the promises about high returns are just that...promises
It doesnt make the scheme more fantastic than any other investment scheme
Money made from selling GPs and a cut of commission from Emall given as monetary payout to other GP holders? Sounds very fishy to me. -
my fren juz update me. they still havent receive payment for this yr/this month de
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And how much was the last monetary payout?Originally posted by xdrave:my fren juz update me. they still havent receive payment for this yr/this month de -
So, COLA and Grapes all you guys. Your last sentence sends shivers down my spine. COLA can choose not to payout. OMG!!!Originally posted by christopher_rf:When Cola transfer funds to grapes, they sign a contract, contract states that grapes will take out 50% of turnover to cola, but than again, its up to cola whether to give out the rebates to the pioneer customers.
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hi everyone. long time no exchange of info : ) gd tat some1 started a new thread for 2008.
kyo77, just want to say, thanks for yr efforts. and yr quotes of irene rexlee... very amusing. u r one who's threads cannot be ignored, pls read my post and exchange with me/us info. pls correct me if i give wrong info. and i do not represent SE. thanks!
crp for dec 2007 paid on jan 10th, 2008.
GP for Singapore (3 diff payouts)
71+ ep
142+ ep
214+ ep
GP (Other countries, HK, MY, KR, TH, BR etc)
713+ ep
EM Pin
642+ epts
the latest merchant login (call SE counter to verify 62214701)
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as of now, EmWealth web under maintainance.
Dylan Mok stationed at SE daily (8-5 job) in front of a help desk was perhaps 'inspirational'.
typical/diplomatic brm statements (verbal)
"be prepared SE HQ shift to HK if SG falls" - Nov 07
"be prepared SE HQ shift to Macau's new office if SG falls" - Jan 08
"EGA sacrifice SE SG to save other countries."
"CAD freeze account. no sales. so low or no crp for sg"
"wait till mar 28 for investigation to be over"
"CAD may drag investigation for more than 6 months with new allegations"
se sg now revert back to nti system of every monday office is closed.
se sg, according to brm, fund frozen. according to cad, confidential.
only way to cash out is between merchants of same country accounts. (eg SG id can only cash out from another SG id)
other way is to push for sales, yourself; ie converting yr epts to become cash by selling GP/SP/Empin etc.
highly recommended way is to open foreign account and fly there to cash out.
the rumored method of opening MY account is now impossible due to the "county-to-country" cash out only.
inconvenient yes, but its supposing to curb money laundering in SE.
brm verbal statement
Nov-Dec 07: stop sell/buy/market SG primes. go for EmPin. Use EmPin new CRP record.
Dec 07: try not to sell/buy/market EmPins. go for HK. No wait, go for thailand. (earning from oversea exchange rate from Ep > HKD > SG, go figure yourself if u have the time)
Jan 08: same as above but now its Thailand Primes tats recommended.
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sales still being done, albeit discretly. but it depends on if u are a 'branch merchant' or 'online merchant'. the latter is probably a new counter measure shld SE SG closes (worst case scenario) so the only exchange method is thru the BRM. the online merchant strategy, i have to admit, does resemble Swiss Cash. And yes, Albert Lee was the founder of Swiss Cash, ex-disciple of JP, and former IT consultant of NTI.
JH after his release in his last court hearing on nov 19, 2007... btw, no charges, out on bail. suggests to all brm to tell their team to sow discord among rival companies, in particular, Long Far Int'l and Coslb. reason being they copied SE's CRP marketing strat. method suggested is to post as members of public and call the media to sabotage and adversely affect their reputation.
Comments.
i share wat i know, i do not believe in restriction of info to the public by jp. jh and the brms. i mean, nothing is ever on the official website. blogs? jia yuan's guy, sued for his 'hardwork' (dec 19, 2007). SE lawyers/prosecutors are demanding S$250,000 in damages. it is a 'fear us + scapegoat + example to all" strat, very common in party politics.
how u interpret my post is to yr own discretion. everyone needs a disclaimer nowadays in our democratic nation. talk about graciousness. Go Worker's Party!