Sunshine Empire
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pardon my ignorant,
So churning out Global Wonder Village because sales of GP drops?
Cash Flow Crisis?
My POV, SE generates legal income through EMcom.....which is the fact a GP Sales. *Emcom no more liao right? EIG?*
Buying those call back services at a higher rate then others vendors, 4 years with xxk, wow i m sure no ones interest in this. Except the 19.k revenues. *Absolutely legal, nothing wrong, this in fact is a marvelous looping trick, if no one stop buying GP*
Then come with Emwealth cut throat interest rate which is "Offers/Discount" goods. *I saw lots of seller,
Which means is like McDonald selling Hello Kitty......they can't sell just HK.....unless they bundle with their meals to make it legal.
So GP Sales, Emcom got advanced 4 years payments of revenues.....keep +4 years + 4 years + 4 years till no ones buy GPs, then byebye.
The EPV projects, wow really good sale of units, till now not even a finalized floor plan, yet more and more ambitious new project popping out?
So will there be any SE Buyer who bought the same unit with other SE buyer from other countries?
Come on, let post which floor, which unit, which project you have bought, let us see any "Clone" unit or not
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Better start clicking the URL,
To make EMwealth more convincing ~
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/emwealth.com -
Sunshine Empire announces "Holiday in Space"
The Noooose
Beleageured MLM company Sunshine Empire announced plans today to liase with NASA and the European Space Agency to build an orbital space platform that will act as a refueling station for the International Space Station as well as offering space holidays in a space hotel. The "Magic Space Station", or MSS, as it will be called, will be in the shape of a giant rotating lion's head orbiting the earth at approximately 15000 miles per hour. It will be seen by the naked eye from the surface of the earth and is expected to eclipse the moon over the asian pacific region once a year. Non-naked eyes can also spot the Space Station with a low power TELESCOPE. Holiday Packages are expected to last for 6 months and start from 1 million US dollars each.
The MSS is expected to be operational in 2012. In other news, the president of the company denied claims that he is from Mars.
Detractors claim the Magic Space Station, or MSS, should be renamed
"Magic Space Station - International Group Alliance"
...otherwise known as MSSING A
In more other news, Sunshine Empire announced plans to land on the moon and ferry 1000 tons of moondust back to Earth to use in the reclaimation of land needed for the New Magic Kingdom resort. -
Like i said, its going to be war of words with no concrete answers.
Any Sunshine Empire members can clear the dust? -
If only SE releases its revenue projections to the financial market, I think they will get torn apart by the financial analysts
If its possible, every listed company would have overblown their potential ROI and attract hefty capital injections and loans, but you dont really see such things happening
Same for this rubbish about cola company that give random projection of figures but without much basis and specific details
You dont throw out figures but cant justify how on earth do you get such figures -
That's precisely what I've been asking. Where does SE invest our money into? As investors/merchants/"whatever name u call the customers", we have the very right to know.Originally posted by laurence82:If only SE releases its revenue projections to the financial market, I think they will get torn apart by the financial analysts
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You dont throw out figures but cant justify how on earth do you get such figures
Imagine investing in say ABC Fund Int'l and not knowing what ABC invests our money in. Yes, SE isn't investment company. -
those who were approached by SE cult followers or have SE as friends, can ask them then tell us what is going on what.
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There is something wrong with the 4 years callback service as well..Originally posted by kyoshirou77:pardon my ignorant,
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My POV, SE generates legal income through EMcom.....which is the fact a GP Sales. *Emcom no more liao right? EIG?*
Buying those call back services at a higher rate then others vendors, 4 years with xxk, wow i m sure no ones interest in this. Except the 19.k revenues. *Absolutely legal, nothing wrong, this in fact is a marvelous looping trick, if no one stop buying GP*
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SE has always claimed they are simply a networking company and do not goes beyond introduction and recommending good opportunities for SE Merchants to invest in.
But no SE Merchant ever signed a contract with EMCOM. The callback service is provided for them by SE.
So there is something not right here. -
There is seriously such project in the planning, but definitely not done by them, and it cost you 1 million to stay in the space.Originally posted by TELESCOPE:Sunshine Empire announces "Holiday in Space"
The Noooose
and btw, emcom no more?!? -
Yup i understand your POV.Originally posted by Phaze:Okay let me get this straight.
You call it a sales gimmick. But what you are really saying is that you are going to pay people to buy your cola. You will pay people 20K, over a period of time, to buy 15K of your cola.
A normal company usually makes money on the margin on their products. So for example, if it costs me 5K to make cola that can sell for 15K, I have 10K margin, which is my profit.
Now I may offer discounts to give customers an incentive to buy more. So perhaps if they are willing to buy 15K of product. I give them a 1K rebate/discount. If they buy 20K of product, I give a 2K rebate/discount. I basically exchange a lower margin for a higher volume of business. And it only makes sense to reduce the price if the increase in volume more than makes up for the reduction in price.
But it all boils down to a simple thing - I still need a margin to make a profit.
Now when I pay someone 20K over time to buy 15K of my cola, I'm making a loss of 5K. The more people buy from me, the more money I lose.
There are some business models like this. For example, the console gaming industry. The console itself (except for Nintendo) is a loss leader. The console is sold at a loss. However, they hope to make their money back on software sales. That's why a console is a locked down platform. Since the console maker has a monopoly on software releases on their console, they can charge a higher margin on software that justifies the initial loss.
Profits from one business can also be used to fund another portion of the business. The PS3 line is currently losing money but the company is being sustained by the movie and consumer electronics business. However, this is done with the anticipation that once the PS3 is established, PS3 licensing fees will earn back the money invested.
The reason why people think SE is a scam is perhaps because of the way it's sold. First of all, SE is not really selling anything. If you promise to pay someone to buy your product, is that really selling? In other words, your cost of sales, your cost of acquiring the customer is higher than the amount you earn from the customer. Also, are people fully aware of the risks involved when they buy? I'm assuming the product sold is e-points.
It appears troubling that the only cashflow coming in appears to be from new people buying GPs. There also seems to be too many projects going on for all of them to be funded properly.
Oh well, I would write more except that I have a dinner appointment. Toodles.
back to the example
why i would give back 5k more over time, is because my cola no branding at the moment, and this are the people that put their trust in me even though i have no credibility.
in this way its more like rewarding the pioneer buyers.
Normally new concepts take time to digest into society, thats probably why there are groups who condamn sunshine. -
And where did u hear that SE has always claimed they are simply a networking company and do not goes beyond introduction and recommending good opportunities for SE Merchants to invest in.Originally posted by abductboy:There is something wrong with the 4 years callback service as well..
SE has always claimed they are simply a networking company and do not goes beyond introduction and recommending good opportunities for SE Merchants to invest in.
But no SE Merchant ever signed a contract with EMCOM. The callback service is provided for them by SE.
So there is something not right here.
either you made it up, or some cockster tell you that and you blindly believe, its not in the official SE website
SE pays emcom for the products and marks up again to SE merchants,
like m1 and starhub pays vodafone for the products and mark up to sporeans.
normal biz -
thats why the rebates are over time, depending on the turnover,Originally posted by laurence82:If only SE releases its revenue projections to the financial market, I think they will get torn apart by the financial analysts
If its possible, every listed company would have overblown their potential ROI and attract hefty capital injections and loans, but you dont really see such things happening
Same for this rubbish about cola company that give random projection of figures but without much basis and specific details
You dont throw out figures but cant justify how on earth do you get such figures
the 20k i can return in 2 years 5 years or even 10 years,
or even 100 years.
if my cola biz do well, than cheers to the pioneer buyers,
but if it winds up, their money also wind up ma, cos i only guarrentee 10% of my turn over..
no turnover = no money.
use your stupid brain la omfg..
i think i am even more dumb to answer your questions.
damn me
your questions really damn dumb -
you are not answering the questionsOriginally posted by christopher_rf:thats why the rebates are over time, depending on the turnover,
the 20k i can return in 2 years 5 years or even 10 years,
or even 100 years.
if my cola biz do well, than cheers to the pioneer buyers,
but if it winds up, their money also wind up ma, cos i only guarrentee 10% of my turn over..
no turnover = no money.
use your stupid brain la omfg..
i think i am even more dumb to answer your questions.
damn me
your questions really damn dumb
how do you justify such projections in the first place?
again, like your dumb cola example that you use over and over again, i am not asking you how such fairy tale turnover are distributed, or how figures are accumulated to arrive at such figures, or asking you to extrapolate number
i am asking how did they come up with such high ROI figures, the justification of such number, the basis, the source of the investments that lead to any number at all
not to mention its really misleading, its the first time i heard people project this way, it sounds like you guys can invest only to hope to recover capital, not earning income
and stop calling it rebates, since its geared towards income generation, its like trying to fool the average investors out there -
dude, you have just pwned yourselfOriginally posted by christopher_rf:And where did u hear that SE has always claimed they are simply a networking company and do not goes beyond introduction and recommending good opportunities for SE Merchants to invest in.
either you made it up, or some cockster tell you that and you blindly believe, its not in the official SE website
SE pays emcom for the products and marks up again to SE merchants,
like m1 and starhub pays vodafone for the products and mark up to sporeans.
normal biz
its your beloved president Jackie Hoo who declare that SE is merely a MLM company in the national newspapers and that they are not an investment company
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you mean simply, you prey on people's greed rather than convince them of the fundamental strengths of your investment schemes?Originally posted by christopher_rf:Yup i understand your POV.
back to the example
why i would give back 5k more over time, is because my cola no branding at the moment, and this are the people that put their trust in me even though i have no credibility.
in this way its more like rewarding the pioneer buyers.
Normally new concepts take time to digest into society, thats probably why there are groups who condamn sunshine.
what sort of new concepts this is then? i know people put in their money in equity and other securities because they have analysed the fundamentals of the company and understand the potential for it
this is the first time i heard of company that practically bribe its way through, when its fundamentals were analysed and totally torn apart by damning points
and now you pin it on new concepts that lead to condemnation of SE? sheesh -
wah ah lau still awake. -
and in ur other thread, u still wanna join MLM??Originally posted by D-TEG:Imagine those uneducated people will care? They just want their money and company keep delaying and cooking up reasons thats what i know so far. Too bad he choose to believe in cult. No way people will understand, i think he is guilt-stricken so thats why he has gone into hiding.
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So a great bulk of the Merchant's $$ goes into a $$ marked-up package of EMcall 4-year plan. And I assume this goes into the Emall bundle which the SE Merchants are supposed to operate a business.Originally posted by christopher_rf:And where did u hear that SE has always claimed they are simply a networking company and do not goes beyond introduction and recommending good opportunities for SE Merchants to invest in.
either you made it up, or some cockster tell you that and you blindly believe, its not in the official SE website
SE pays emcom for the products and marks up again to SE merchants,
like m1 and starhub pays vodafone for the products and mark up to sporeans.
normal biz
And the business on emall will generate the Epoints to pay Merchants monthly.
Quoting from the Merchant Agreement...
Consumer Rebate Privileges (CRP)
These are our return to you from the profits derived from the overall consumption generated on the e-Mall Platform. Sunshine Empire will reward you with e-points that you can use. Over time, you can have the privilege of receiving the total of not exceeding 12,000 e-points.
CRP is based on 10% of Sunshine Empire Global Turnover on the e-Mall Platform.
I believe this forum and many others have demonstrated that it is not possible for emall to generate that kinds of sales.
How many 'investors' are really emall merchants an making lots of money monthly from emall sales????
Financial year 2007 just ended and all company accounts will have to be submitted by April 2008.
So EMCOM is in this scheme together with SE to 'service' the SE Merchants....
I await with much excitement to read the multi-million financial statements, profits of all SE & EMCOM. -
Well, i only heard 1 case of runaway and thats from Sunshine Empire and i am not going to even listen to them. But MLM i might want to try, maybe can learn something from it. Be it good or bad i believe its something out of the classrooms.Originally posted by aHGer^83:and in ur other thread, u still wanna join MLM?? 
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You should go and try. Very good for you. Join Enyouth lah. Or VE. Bright future ahead.Originally posted by D-TEG:Well, i only heard 1 case of runaway and thats from Sunshine Empire and i am not going to even listen to them. But MLM i might want to try, maybe can learn something from it. Be it good or bad i believe its something out of the classrooms. -
Honestly, buyers are consumers or stockist? And furthermore, so meaning i buy in lots of "cola" if the branding don't work out i am stuck. Now, the practise like that is unfair to merchants. The money supposedly we put in the money and you guys invest in resort project and whatever projects you guys claim, contradicting. Pardon me, but from the way i see it is that once you guys have sold enough "cola" you will then stop because you guys wouldn't be bothereds if the "cola" works and the money you will invest in the resort or whatsoever that you guys decide to build, so what will happen to stockist of your "cola"s? Thats selfish, irresponsible and thats a scam. Because legally you guys got the funds from the sales of "cola" encourage stock ups and then once funding has reached the sufficent level, thats the end of the "cola" story and basically no one will complain as you guys will say "the "cola" story has become history, we now must look at the property investments".Originally posted by christopher_rf:thats why the rebates are over time, depending on the turnover,
the 20k i can return in 2 years 5 years or even 10 years,
or even 100 years.
if my cola biz do well, than cheers to the pioneer buyers,
but if it winds up, their money also wind up ma, cos i only guarrentee 10% of my turn over..
no turnover = no money.
use your stupid brain la omfg..
i think i am even more dumb to answer your questions.
damn me
your questions really damn dumb
Now, in this instance there is no security to buyers or stockist or investors whatever you name it at all. Business model is really doubtful if its as such.
Hope i never offend anyone, apologies if i did. I am only a noob looking at this issue on a layman grounds. -
Soory if I have gotta ask this again and again. I'm never in MLM biz, just sales field.
Okay, let's say I put $1 into XYZ Corp. XYZ guarantees 50% returns, capped at 500%, say over the next year or so, payable every month. So first month I'll get $1.50... etc etc... The XYZ Corp gives me 100mins talktime with Redstone Telecoms, and some e-shopping points with XYZ.com online shop.
Would you be puzzled where does this XYZ corp generate such income?
The cola example doesn't apply, unless you say you get monetary returns (or rebates whatever you call it) from the shop auntie, that is more than the cost of your initial product. So where does the auntie generate such high income? After all, she's just selling cola right?
From what I understand, when you buy a GP, you would get free talktime and Emall points, as well as monetary payout am I correct? And if i remember correctly, the monetary payout would be a certain percentage (10% of global turnover) each month, capped at another certain percentage?
Where does SE generate this income before properties start selling? Thru selling GPs?
Am I wrong to say it's pumping $ made from selling GPs to those of older membership holders? -
Originally posted by abductboy:
Tks Abductboy,
Consumer Rebate Privileges (CRP)
These are our return to you from the profits derived from the overall consumption generated on the e-Mall Platform. Sunshine Empire will reward you with e-points that you can use. Over time, you can have the privilege of receiving the total of not exceeding 12,000 e-points.
CRP is based on 10% of Sunshine Empire Global Turnover on the e-Mall Platform.[/b]
To SEA,
Now profits only from EMALL? Where EMcom?
Isn't before that every agent said INCOME is from EMCOM Projects?
Wow, where is the EMCOMBODIA ? EMCOM WIMAX Spanning Taiwan projected till 2012?
10%???
Then how to know the 10% distribution of profits?
Are they getting the right 10% which share throughout thousand of merchants?
Why they are some getting more, some getting lesser?
From Emall? Basically look at the traffic from Alexa, its pathetic ~
Unless like those Malaysians, transferring MALL Points without goods for fast cash out, but there is a cut from EMALL but at least one had consumed their points.
Pointed out by BRAINS,
Say 300 USD for 20000 members, oh well never mind, say 15000 with GPs.
300x15000 = 6000k = 6000000 USD
Last time with EMcom and Emall already seem impossible.
Now alone with Emall.......6000k/month?
6 millions, dude........that is only Emall 10% global turn over ler ~
10% = 6000k and then 100%........???
Wow, what are you guys selling? Weapon of Mass Destruction? Drug?
Forbes reserved a 4 x pages interview for JP, JH and IY yet? -
if u only wanna try, i suggest Herbalife or Nuskin. more popluar in their products with good feedbacks. easier for u also...Originally posted by D-TEG:Well, i only heard 1 case of runaway and thats from Sunshine Empire and i am not going to even listen to them. But MLM i might want to try, maybe can learn something from it. Be it good or bad i believe its something out of the classrooms.
another way is u wait for "surveyors" to call u lor....
or out of nowhere, got some one ask if u looking for job n u got the job the next day.... -
haha~Originally posted by Rigante:You should go and try. Very good for you. Join Enyouth lah. Or VE. Bright future ahead.
u suggesting him to join all the gina pi?