Haha... this is hilarious.
So Sunshine Empire is now an investment company? I thought they insisted that they aren't.
Anyway, it all boils down to where does the money for payouts come from. If money from new 'investors' is used to pay off existing 'investors', it's a pyramid scheme. Simple as that.
And if you would "silent your mind and think" you would realise that "most people who lose money or scare their money lose or scare the company shut down," are the people who have the most incentive to put up a false front and act like nothing is wrong until they can execute their exit strategy.
It's no use. Believers of SE will continue to support because they cannot don't support. People will join the scheme because it pays money and no one will actually bother that it's under investigation or whatever. People only want returns and will not care how the returns are generated or whether can such returns sustain long term etc. All are in for the ride only..... That's why no one actually cares when we ask the most important question of how their returns are generated and question the viability of the supposed rebates on use system etc. People bring people, people bring money. All the James in the world are getting richer only.
Originally posted by Sohee:Hi Laurence82,, don't mine my rough attitude. i just can't stand of seeing people getting wrong information. i trying to correct it.
Anyway, if you say professional as in what way?
I know that i'm not talking professionally. i trying to tell whatever i know here.
To let you know, i just signed up last night because of this topic. *sigh*
Hi the_fallen, joining MLM company is not a joke :) ok? Investing in a company is risky. You have to do all kinds of homework.
If you're interested in knowing this new company, Em-Max, please call the Sunshine Empire Customer Service Counter for details.
I would wish to quote to all people out there who is reading this topic right now.
If you think MLM is a scam, it's because you hear too much of hearsay. And also lack of homework.
If you could silent your mind and think. You might notice that most people who lose money or scare their money lose or scare the company shut down, those people might split all kind of nonsense.
Don't believe, do some human research =) And ask yourself, are you like them?
Ok. Thats all for tonight. Anything else, please feel free to post.
Cheers.
Don't worry.
If you can get means and ways to get me into the company to know more deatils.
I'll only say thank you.
Other than that, thanks for your concern, but I believe when it comes to such stuffs, perhaps I think I know better. Just wanna get updates, and know more.
Any kind souls that could help me out?
FYI: I don't call service hotline since their response will be useless to me. What i need is a distributor who will bring me into there and tell me whatever stuffs and information about this 'new' Em-Max
It's scary how there are still people worshipping Phang
James Phang's Strategies: (unchanged since 1997)
Changing names of companies when they get into trouble. (done this at least 5 times since 1997)
Change the location/country of the business when they get into trouble (done this countless times since 1998)
Change business plan and objectives COMPLETELY when they get into trouble
Change his position from 'I AM GOD' to 'I am THE VICTIM' whenever his business got into trouble
Change the rules of commission payouts to his members whenever his business got into trouble
Change the public understanding of our country's law whenever his company got into trouble, e.g : - 'Our account is FREEZED by CAD BUT we can still do sales and collect money for GPs because money cannot come out but can go in..........'
Change his identity to show that he has nothing to do with all the previous companies he has when those business got into trouble (done it at least twice since Year 1999)
Changes the definiation of the word investment to Gambling with all his unaudited/no background/no legal verifications/imaginery track record/fantasy projects and blacklisted Super Powerful Companies.
Change his underwears regularly as he sweats and wets regularly when CAD appear in everything and anything that he does since year 2000.
Changes his wife so regularly that he has become "Father' of so many sons and daughters.
Changes the DNAs make ups of these sons and daugthers to those of Ignorant Cheats and Chinese Roti Prata sellers.
Changes those people who has just joined his organisation without even knowing all the above points to ignorant fools and social pests.
DEAR SOHEE,
CAD has been studying really hard about the business plan of SE.... so hard that they dont even understand it after 3 months... u must be smarter than all the brains put together in CAD to join SE.
Congrates.
Brains; Where did you get the information? Is it a fact?
redstone; lol. no one going to worship anyone. it call "admire". I admire of his speech & his heart. Fall down from a stairs still able to stand up, have courage.
For advertising, they encourage merchants to advertise for them. And many people split the Sunshine Empire name. No need to advertise on web/television, they got limit.
the_fallen; i ask you to call them because the customer officer's voice very sweet? lol. i thought you like it?
fire & ice; maybe what you say are true :) i could only partial agree.
Phaze; in the 1st place, he say is not investment. But some of the Agents say is investment, and things keep spilting. Then the CAD come along. The CAD keep saying is investment, so James had no chocie to say is investment company.
laurence82; As what you say "Professionalism includes addressing issues point by point.", Laurence... i'm not doing presentation here & i not advertising. Why should i?
"You mean SE agents do not do their homework?", *laugh*, yes, most of the agents who only think of money, doesn't do much homework. they could only make plans of how to catch a fish.
If you do attend full-time Financials courses in poly, teacehrs will ask you to do your homework before investing. lol. most teachers do.
"Ok, people who think MLM is a scam, listen to too much hearsay? How and why?", lol? i thought the above post solve your question??
"Then you jump to 'silent the mind and think'.", have you ever heard of meditation before? most business people, they into meditation. meditation help them think.
"Why cant it be that SE has not been able to prove its investment source, leading to questions over its schemes.", they're improving their services everytime. it just that you didn't realise.
Didn't you notice that they having many services, like example, emwealth, emcall, hotel service & more. Do you know that most of our money come from there?
"Therefore, why put on hearsay when you cant prove what you say?", sigh* if everyone is active of reading newspaper, and getting updates, they/you should know.
"Do research yes, we done a lot, no SE agents has answered them, so no point asking us to do research. ", because those agents don't know this forum exist?
Some agents will think that;
- if talk too much, you all wouldn't be their downline.
- if talk too much, also no use. You guys will keep on questioning till no end.
- if talk too much, you guys wouldn't bother. Because some of you are here for entertainment.
ok, what if real SE agent is here to answer your question? will you all going to satisfy? answer is no.
"On top of it, it changes its name. Everytime got trouble, change name. Sheesh", come laurence, please show the link to prove of your words. The NTI i not sure is him or not. But do show some information. Thanks.
Ok, About changing Co. name, Maybe they change name because they think is Bad Luck? Feng Shui?
I ask you, if you having bad business or bad luck, and a feng shui master ask you to change name, will you change?
Most humans are supersitition. Didn't you know? lol.
Or maybe, they change name to make is fresh? Or maybe, SE change new plan, so they change name? Possible?
ohya, sorry to disappoint you. i had no interest of being SE agents. I speak out whenever is needed :)
"DEAR SOHEE,
CAD has been studying really hard about the business plan of SE.... so hard that they dont even understand it after 3 months... u must be smarter than all the brains put together in CAD to join SE.
Congrates. "
Dear Brains,
It's rude to shout. Please learn your manners while you're a human, ok?
Sorry to disappoint you :) I'm not part of CAD nor SE.
Originally posted by Sohee:Brains; Where did you get the information? Is it a fact?
redstone; lol. no one going to worship anyone. it call "admire". I admire of his speech & his heart. Fall down from a stairs still able to stand up, have courage.
For advertising, they encourage merchants to advertise for them. And many people split the Sunshine Empire name. No need to advertise on web/television, they got limit.
the_fallen; i ask you to call them because the customer officer's voice very sweet? lol. i thought you like it?
fire & ice; maybe what you say are true :) i could only partial agree.
Phaze; in the 1st place, he say is not investment. But some of the Agents say is investment, and things keep spilting. Then the CAD come along. The CAD keep saying is investment, so James had no chocie to say is investment company.
laurence82; As what you say "Professionalism includes addressing issues point by point.", Laurence... i'm not doing presentation here & i not advertising. Why should i?
"You mean SE agents do not do their homework?", *laugh*, yes, most of the agents who only think of money, doesn't do much homework. they could only make plans of how to catch a fish.
If you do attend full-time Financials courses in poly, teacehrs will ask you to do your homework before investing. lol. most teachers do.
"Ok, people who think MLM is a scam, listen to too much hearsay? How and why?", lol? i thought the above post solve your question??
"Then you jump to 'silent the mind and think'.", have you ever heard of meditation before? most business people, they into meditation. meditation help them think.
"Why cant it be that SE has not been able to prove its investment source, leading to questions over its schemes.", they're improving their services everytime. it just that you didn't realise.
Didn't you notice that they having many services, like example, emwealth, emcall, hotel service & more. Do you know that most of our money come from there?
"Therefore, why put on hearsay when you cant prove what you say?", sigh* if everyone is active of reading newspaper, and getting updates, they/you should know.
"Do research yes, we done a lot, no SE agents has answered them, so no point asking us to do research. ", because those agents don't know this forum exist?
Some agents will think that;
- if talk too much, you all wouldn't be their downline.
- if talk too much, also no use. You guys will keep on questioning till no end.
- if talk too much, you guys wouldn't bother. Because some of you are here for entertainment.
ok, what if real SE agent is here to answer your question? will you all going to satisfy? answer is no.
"On top of it, it changes its name. Everytime got trouble, change name. Sheesh", come laurence, please show the link to prove of your words. The NTI i not sure is him or not. But do show some information. Thanks.
Ok, About changing Co. name, Maybe they change name because they think is Bad Luck? Feng Shui?
I ask you, if you having bad business or bad luck, and a feng shui master ask you to change name, will you change?
Most humans are supersitition. Didn't you know? lol.
Or maybe, they change name to make is fresh? Or maybe, SE change new plan, so they change name? Possible?
ohya, sorry to disappoint you. i had no interest of being SE agents. I speak out whenever is needed :)
Say someone pretends to fall down the stairs and drags everyone with him, he stands up but everyone is badly injured how leh? This is not the first time Phang's business fell again and again and again, each time more and more people lost more and more. First NOP, the NTI, Magic Kingdom, now SE.
I'm really interested to know where does SE gets all its money to build so many infrastructure projects everywhere? Sale of GPs? Part of this sales would go to ppl who had bougth GPs earlier on, the rest pumped into the projects? So many development projects, could cost few hundred millions, and whats more SE/EPV has ZERO experience in building properties. Don't you realise it's an astronomically huge risk?
Phang reminds me of hitler... using his charisma in the wrong way to drum up interest, and a following of supporters. One huge push to expand the empire, then one day all will collapse back to zero.
Oh, I predict if his projects fail again, next time he'll say "I JAMES PHANG WAH fell so many times, lost millions and still I stood up"... It's not about "courage" or dreams... it's about reality. Let's say he took $10M from people and the project didn't even start, and he has no track record of successful sustainable ventures, would you admire him?
<redstone; lol. no one going to worship anyone. it call "admire". I admire of his speech & his heart. Fall down from a stairs still able to stand up, have courage.>
I shall edit some parts of my sentences.
It should be "Redstone; lol. No one going to worship anyone. It should be called "Admire"."
" I true to my heart that I admire him. His speech is strong. And he had courage."
"Fall down from a stairs, still can continoue climb up"
As in "He's bankrupt, still have the courage to start whatever plan/project he had in his mind"
Originally posted by Sohee:<redstone; lol. no one going to worship anyone. it call "admire". I admire of his speech & his heart. Fall down from a stairs still able to stand up, have courage.>
I shall edit some parts of my sentences.
It should be "Redstone; lol. No one going to worship anyone. It should be called "Admire"."
" I true to my heart that I admire him. His speech is strong. And he had courage."
"Fall down from a stairs, still can continoue climb up"
As in "He's bankrupt, still have the courage to start whatever plan/project he had in his mind"
Sohee... do you see the problem here? Is it just me or do I realise that all his projects failed in the end? And many people lost lots of money?
And he's using this as an X factor instead of something which bleamishes his image, he uses this almost like a pity point, like a turning point. There's nothing wrong with standing up from failures. Standing up from failures and being able to prove oneself realistically are two different things. Ok, lets take Emcom/call and Emall ashis first successful projects, to a certain level of success. What happened to the rest, like Magic Kingdom, NOP, NTI?
Think about it.
"NOP & Magic Kingdom?" Where that come from? Do you have any information?
"I'm really interested to know where does SE gets all its money to build so many infrastructure projects everywhere? Sale of GPs? Part of this sales would go to ppl who had bougth GPs earlier on, the rest pumped into the projects? "
Of cos the money come from us. Like example, OCBC bank, you put money in their plans, and they take it and invest. You think interests is come from where? lol.
"So many development projects, could cost few hundred millions, and whats more SE/EPV has ZERO experience in building properties. Don't you realise it's an astronomically huge risk?"
Sigh* You think they're stupid? They could hire experience people to build.
"Phang reminds me of hitler". Sorry, i don't watch movies. But i still get some fo your point.
"would you admire him?", of cos? o.0
Magic Kingdom, NOP, NTI? Ok, i never heard of Magic Kingdom nore NOP. NTI i heard before. But i never see their company before.
Are you sure it's sure founder?
If the investment is risky, why is there still so many people investing SE?
If it's risky, why other country government support SE?
Originally posted by Sohee:Magic Kingdom, NOP, NTI? Ok, i never heard of Magic Kingdom nore NOP. NTI i heard before. But i never see their company before.
Are you sure it's sure founder?
If the investment is risky, why is there still so many people investing SE?
If it's risky, why other country government support SE?
Adolf Hitler was a true historical person, party leader, later President of Germany. You should see the style of his speach (not the content of his speeches tho)
Use google, bro....Type "Magic kingdom" and "sgforums" in search and see.
Oh? Which government supports SE?
wtf govt support se?!??!
that govt sure vv corrupt one
Which govt supports SE? Proof pls. You are shooting yourself in the foot because for the past few months the media and netizens have been asking for proof of govt approval for several projects, but none were forthcoming, with corruption scandals surround the Malaccan minister instead.
You didnt know SE used to be NTI, or NOP was run by JP before. Now think carefully, SE changed its name to Em-Max..i bet few months later some idiot is going to ask what is SE and its relation to Em-Max.
And the cycle repeats
Originally posted by Sohee:Brains; Where did you get the information? Is it a fact?
redstone; lol. no one going to worship anyone. it call "admire". I admire of his speech & his heart. Fall down from a stairs still able to stand up, have courage.
For advertising, they encourage merchants to advertise for them. And many people split the Sunshine Empire name. No need to advertise on web/television, they got limit.
the_fallen; i ask you to call them because the customer officer's voice very sweet? lol. i thought you like it?
fire & ice; maybe what you say are true :) i could only partial agree.
Phaze; in the 1st place, he say is not investment. But some of the Agents say is investment, and things keep spilting. Then the CAD come along. The CAD keep saying is investment, so James had no chocie to say is investment company.
laurence82; As what you say "Professionalism includes addressing issues point by point.", Laurence... i'm not doing presentation here & i not advertising. Why should i?
"You mean SE agents do not do their homework?", *laugh*, yes, most of the agents who only think of money, doesn't do much homework. they could only make plans of how to catch a fish.
If you do attend full-time Financials courses in poly, teacehrs will ask you to do your homework before investing. lol. most teachers do.
"Ok, people who think MLM is a scam, listen to too much hearsay? How and why?", lol? i thought the above post solve your question??
"Then you jump to 'silent the mind and think'.", have you ever heard of meditation before? most business people, they into meditation. meditation help them think.
"Why cant it be that SE has not been able to prove its investment source, leading to questions over its schemes.", they're improving their services everytime. it just that you didn't realise.
Didn't you notice that they having many services, like example, emwealth, emcall, hotel service & more. Do you know that most of our money come from there?
"Therefore, why put on hearsay when you cant prove what you say?", sigh* if everyone is active of reading newspaper, and getting updates, they/you should know.
"Do research yes, we done a lot, no SE agents has answered them, so no point asking us to do research. ", because those agents don't know this forum exist?
Some agents will think that;
- if talk too much, you all wouldn't be their downline.
- if talk too much, also no use. You guys will keep on questioning till no end.
- if talk too much, you guys wouldn't bother. Because some of you are here for entertainment.
ok, what if real SE agent is here to answer your question? will you all going to satisfy? answer is no.
"On top of it, it changes its name. Everytime got trouble, change name. Sheesh", come laurence, please show the link to prove of your words. The NTI i not sure is him or not. But do show some information. Thanks.
Ok, About changing Co. name, Maybe they change name because they think is Bad Luck? Feng Shui?
I ask you, if you having bad business or bad luck, and a feng shui master ask you to change name, will you change?
Most humans are supersitition. Didn't you know? lol.
Or maybe, they change name to make is fresh? Or maybe, SE change new plan, so they change name? Possible?
ohya, sorry to disappoint you. i had no interest of being SE agents. I speak out whenever is needed :)
You are presenting yourself as Em-Max agent and you do not care to conduct yourself properly just because its not a presentation? Stupidity know no bounds. Just like MLM is supposed to spread the news about products and services, same thing, your bad impression created for Em-Max will cast a blight on its reputation, and is a show of lack of professionalism.
Then you will nicely blame hearsay when its you yourself who have been damaging EM's reputation.
Yeap, agree with you EM people dont do homework. Now is the state of things and SE forced to change name. hahahaha
You have not answer me on how you link people bad impression of MLM to hearsays.
Nope, dont avoid the question. It got nothing to do with meditation. If I silent my mind and think, I wouldnt even join SE or Em-Max, due to my clear thoughts and reasoning.
Again, I dun care for the services. Proof of investment sources please.
Yet again, why link to hearsay when you cant prove what you say. What it got to do with reading newspapers? You are putting one and one to generate three.
Agents dont come this forum? Then pray, who are you? Or have you been reading?
Asking us what is NTI? You are ignorant, and if you want proof, you can start reading this forum NTI pages, where people has post proof SE changed its name from NTI. If you wish to avoid and say you are lazy to read, fine by me.
You say maybe, and attribute it to feng shui? Seems you are clueless and willing to grab straws while you are drowning. NTI wasnt doing well at that time, and none of the agents came back to boast about their lingerie business or the 288 bucks binary system.
Similary, SE now faces crisis with CAD, and it change its name again. Tell me, what happened to the Taichung project, KL and Malacca project? Do you not know nobody came back to boast that they have earn, or that they cant prove that these projects were real?
It seems Sohee dude is clueless about the company's past. i think changing name is a good tactic, because some people are stupid enough not knowing anything about taxation and ACRA or Registry of Business
And he is not answering my questions to the point. I dont entertain wild guesses, insinuations or 'grab straws' tactics.
hahaha
DEAR SOHEE
Yesss, its pure facts... google James Phang, NTI, NOP, Magic Kingdom - you will see what this human with inspiration speeches and strong words of courage is about. He's definately worth your admiration - put it this way - he has escaped prison more times than Mas Selamat.
You should go remind James Phang to be more human and be more respectful to other's hard earned savings and not conning tons of unaware victims to help fulfill his fantasy empires.
His STINKING Reputations on Google/yahoo wasn't created from air. The only people that admire him are those that are EASILY amused and impressed by his speeches - another words people with lower social popularity whom most probably cant find a better job out in the real world that commands any respect.
Lastly, the bold words were just meant to attention it to you. There's no shouting elements in them.. hope i didnt break any emotional configuration in you :)
james phang is just a weak willed person who would not choose to pursue his dreams... put it in this way
you guys frm SE or EM-max think he is very strong willed right? why? because he created different companies several times in order to fund for his glamorous livestyle and creat his dream city.. right?
u think that after being bankrubt , closing down his company made him undaunted causing him to be a successful person with perseverance right??
if he is really a person with perseverance and responsibility, he would not let SE close down.. he would not let any of his past companies close down at all. he would actually be there , help the company tide the storm and get on with life. but he did not.. every single one of his companies which have folded... at the last min.,. he would always go to anotehr country , go missing.. forever that way right?
Er you guys know the Genting Leaders Rally organised by SE last year in August? My friend said that they held a concert there and Phang Ah Wah the Father actually sang Luo Zhi Xiang song 'Jing Wu Men'......LMAO. Cos he attended the Grand Lion's Rally in Nov and they periodically played the video of Phang performance in Genting lol
ACRA's business registry can be seen here:
https://www.psi.gov.sg/NASApp/tmf/TMFServlet?app=RCB-BIZFILE-BIZCODIR
Imagine this.
Phang starts first company, boasts about it, scam, attracts people. Then closes it down or change name. He'll give an excuse, say economy not good or people say bad things about it. Then at his "new" company, he'll say how tough it took to build his company up, how it fell, how "badly hes affected".. how he "been thru tough times to rebuilt"... how he "fell but stood up. Then, he continues his dirty business tactics, and when the system cannot be sustained, he'll change name again... and the process repeats again and again.... closing down company or changing name, then saying how pity his journey was, blah blah blah.
If you're interested in knowing this new company, Em-Max, please call the Sunshine Empire Customer Service Counter for details.
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hee hee hee. Now thats a good one. Call the scammer hotline to get more information about the next scam to come from the twisted mind of James Phang. Anytime I feel like converting my Singapore SGD to Worthless E-Points WEP I will let you know.. Dumbass!
SOHEE.
NOOB.
Ok... from now on I officially launch Redstone Points... put $100 with me and get 50 points.. use them to buy stuff from my personal webpage. Then one day I vanish, run to africa or what. You had amassed 1million Redstone Points. How much do they worth now?