Sunshine Empire
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Originally posted by YamChan:
I hope those goon dus overseas will realise their money being corned.
The golden principle still prevails: '''' There is no short cut to success! '''' , those contravence to this principle eventually got eaten up by their own greed and lust.
Can't agree more
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For those people who might really think that SE downfall is because "Singapore Government doesn't want poeple to be rich".
Let those bunch of childish FOOLs know that singapore government is MORE THAN HAPPY to see more people becoming rich. WHY?
The rich people usually pay a higher taxs and with those tax, the government will use it to expand Singapore for more economy growth. So how would esplanage, suntec city, F1 race, and IR project be possible without people paying their income tax?
And what if the government expenditure is lower than the amount of tax collected? They will use it for surplus to fund the needy people, like bursaries, workfare bonus and other stuff like lending it to other countries. That's why Singapore is a rich nation!
I really agree with Zwei that this person called "Mr Yong" is a Kid! By blaming the government just shows that he is a terrorist leader leading his people into crookery.
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Yong? He's so young....
Ah Yong dare say SG government this and that, and yet he denies that SE has done anything wrong. Dare to con people, don't dare to face consequences? Some balls man...
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Large majority of SE members still believe in the business and will still swear by it. Why? Cos there's a segmentation of member group now. Those that buy 10 GPs and above still get paid as normal compared to those that buy lesser - understandably to be paid only about 20-50% of the normal pay out.
Yes 10 GPs is 100k and Yes this group is surprisingly quite big too and they are now situating themselves well in hong kong planting their 'seeds'. They are also the majority buyers of the property that SE built in malaysia.
There's lots of willing rich suckers in Hong Kong very willing to join SE. The Hong Kongers are definately more adventuerous to the Singaporean.
Anyway we should be happy that at least SE will be out of Singapore. As for pple in Hong Kong, its too far for us to bother.
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I think James Phang and Jackie Hoo should go to JAIL, no question about that. After all the harm they have done. Some of the kids at the company I heard actually GAVE up their university education to follow these two jokers. Jackie Hoo claims he also did the same last time, I suspect he was probably EXPELLED from NUS.
Brains, I don't really agree that HK is too far for us to bother about. After all, Richard Yong also got caught there after he tried to run and get his wife to launder his money from NKF. If those people continue to believe James Phang's lies and continue to spread his poison it will give people a negative image about Singaporeans going to do business there, I think. It's not enough that SE will be out of Singapore, SE must be destroyed permanantly and the leaders discredited so that such things will not happen again.
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hmmmm.... if u really want to discredit them, its dead tough... cos they are backed by tons of money and power in lots of countries... if u want to destroy SE is possible cos just like NTI etc.. they will eventually changed their name into something else..
Set up a website, put all their faces (ignitious, jP etc..) onto the site. Put track history of all these pple and the companies they set up. Recode HTML to make it top of search list in yahoo, google. Promote the website aggressively in all manners (email blast, get media's attention etc)..it will cost money BUT definately more effective than us posting here. Need money, time, effort if u want to kill them flat.
Game for it?
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Originally posted by Brains:
hmmmm.... if u really want to discredit them, its dead tough... cos they are backed by tons of money and power in lots of countries... if u want to destroy SE is possible cos just like NTI etc.. they will eventually changed their name into something else..
Set up a website, put all their faces (ignitious, jP etc..) onto the site. Put track history of all these pple and the companies they set up. Recode HTML to make it top of search list in yahoo, google. Promote the website aggressively in all manners (email blast, get media's attention etc)..it will cost money BUT definately more effective than us posting here. Need money, time, effort if u want to kill them flat.
Game for it?
Lol, who'd want to do that for?
Anyway, aren't their photos on the media already? doesn't seem to be affecting them much though...
Good or bad, the time is near, we'll get the answer very soon isn't it?
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Yeah. It's not like we gain anything from discrediting them. Besides, there is a point where personal responsibility takes over. I think there's already enough publicity that anyone who makes even the least effort to do a bit of due dilligence will easily find enough information to make their own decision.
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Those NUS students whom have left their school and joined SE, similarly I think everyone would in some period of time tempted by 'shortcut to success'. Be it financial difficulties or wanting to get quick riches.
But too bad, their way of shortcut don't seem to work out.
We only have the ability to post comment in this forum, it may change some investor's perspective, but it cannot to change the situation still. So it will be better for us to be busy at our own life and be a spectators afterall.
The JP so called their international president doesn't own the EGA, people already don't know what they are up to, and seriously SE afterall is not transparent enough, its too fishy.
Sooner of later, those lies will be expose wherever they are going. those brain washed still inside didn't think about whether SE can be permanently survive, they didn't even give consideration that if SE fall apart, they won't be able to state their working experience in SE when sending their resume to the employers, some of them 'Right Now' already lost a handful of friends and relationship because of 'Money throw in, no promise in return', investors trying to seek help from their friends (those SE merchants), but then those SEs aviod their friends call. so is that worth it?
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Originally posted by YamChan:
Sooner of later, those lies will be expose wherever they are going. those brain washed still inside didn't think about whether SE can be permanently survive, they didn't even give consideration that if SE fall apart, they won't be able to state their working experience in SE when sending their resume to the employers, some of them 'Right Now' already lost a handful of friends and relationship because of 'Money throw in, no promise in return', investors trying to seek help from their friends (those SE merchants), but then those SEs aviod their friends call. so is that worth it?
Well I suppose if one has enough money, one can always find new friends.
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I don't think it's that tough, after all, now their faces are known to the public. As for money and power in other countries, unless they can run to somewhere where no one has ever heard of them, (maybe nigeria, since they are already running a scam) I don't think they will gather a lot of support, because many people will turn on them once this current project fails.
Got one hokkien saying "Qiu To Lao Gao Sua" means when the tree falls the monkeys scatter. This time SE fail, all the people involved not only lose family and friends trust, lose personal credibility, it will take a long time to recover again. I think after all these recent cases in Singapore and the surrounding countries, not many people will be left who want to believe in the fantasies that the SE leaders are fond of spinning.
"SHOW me your project that is alreadt BUILT and LAUNCH, and THEN I will buy one."
Invest in Sunshine Empire? Sure! Show me your last 5-10 years financial statements just like any publicly listed company in SIngapore, tell me when is your IPO launch and your code (SGX: SE?) and I'll gladly buy one lot just to try. Just don't ask me to go down to your office for brainwashing.
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LOL zwei, they won't get listed and they will not.
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There's lots of forum out here saying bad things about JP and gang and Sunshine empire.. But there's also lots of blogs, forum saying positive things about these pple. Just a personal opinion that we need to do something to define the web search results to gear towards more negativism than positive results. This is outside my field of expertise, someone else familiar with web stuff etc may be in better position to comment on what i think.
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leaders and upline will say positive SE scheme because they have to save their own face.
Human behaviour is that they will not siad they are cheated when they are really cheated. Same here if you have AIDS will you tell people that you had ... NO NEVER. If you are not successful, you will tell people that ...
SE Leaders ... U got to wait-up ....
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Anyone here got updates on the investigation by CAD?
This forum too bias, whatever A SE Agent say here will be smack down, Even with a letter from the Bank stating the account is being frozen,
Laurence? perhaps you should give us some updates
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To: christopher_rf
Maybe you want to focus on those forum more positive about SE?
On an unbias tone, just like ManU and Liverpool, definitely there will be people who support one and disregard the other. This is life, if everyone is negative about SE, then but now it should have gone a 'close shop'.
Only those people under payroll in the authorities will have the power to make changes in the outcome of SE.
Personally I feel that SE is promoting a 'shortcut to riches' which it don't really works, just look at those official message by the authorities everywhere, a company may have negative reports, but for this SE, it is just too much of bad reports than the good ones. Its a good thing to be rich, but the way to go about it is more important.
Christopher, only if you are strongly convince that SE is going to be your permanent career path then please go ahead.
Those cilents has their final decision whether to invest in SE, but I feel that the merchants shouldn't use the word 'guarantee' 1 year pay back for the CRP, because they are not professional fund managers and the question is, WHAT exactly are they selling? do they know where the money goes to? If it is for those projects, why are there so much false evidences taken out from the press and media?
And how bad it is for a company from 700 USD returns dropped to 200 USD, is like going through a 'major recession' in an 'economic boom' period.
I personally dunno where the fund goes to, maybe you should ask Zwei, i think he more experience there.
I would regard SE as a high risk investment thingy, but not to be called a 'career'.
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We don't say smack down anything. Just show us the company's financial statements instead of spinning wild fantasies and asking people to invest can already. If NTI or SE focussed on the products they were selling, and worked out a credible plan for their downlines to be compensated, and take the slow but sure route of reaching out to their market instead of trying to take shortcut through everything, you would not be facing this kind of problem. NTI was actually a good xompany in the beginning. The people who started it in that small office in Shenton Way and the beginning downlines all went through a lot in terms of training, development and a genuine desire to better themselves and form a good company to be proud of. Maybe not spectacular, but slow and steady wins the race. But now everything in this company has been perverted by the same person who started it. James Phang.
The Company has been perverted by greed.Everything this man taught in his lessons and everything in his life he has gone through has been for nothing because of greed.If James Phang listened to his own lessons and focussed on a core business and a core product I would be following him to this day. But because of greed, because of wanting to take shortcut, because he cannot focus and concentrate on one business, he is now doomed to FAIL.
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Originally posted by Zwei51:
We don't say smack down anything. Just show us the company's financial statements instead of spinning wild fantasies and asking people to invest can already. If NTI or SE focussed on the products they were selling, and worked out a credible plan for their downlines to be compensated, and take the slow but sure route of reaching out to their market instead of trying to take shortcut through everything, you would not be facing this kind of problem. NTI was actually a good xompany in the beginning. The people who started it in that small office in Shenton Way and the beginning downlines all went through a lot in terms of training, development and a genuine desire to better themselves and form a good company to be proud of. Maybe not spectacular, but slow and steady wins the race. But now everything in this company has been perverted by the same person who started it. James Phang.
The Company has been perverted by greed.Everything this man taught in his lessons and everything in his life he has gone through has been for nothing because of greed.If James Phang listened to his own lessons and focussed on a core business and a core product I would be following him to this day. But because of greed, because of wanting to take shortcut, because he cannot focus and concentrate on one business, he is now doomed to FAIL.
I beg to differ here, everywhere there are black sheeps and greedy people. Even in normal working life and businesses out there, you'll find those who'll eventually tarnish their own company's name wether is it good or bad.I've a bunch of friends from NTI and SE who I see really grow up and changed alot for the better. What I heard from is that the people there became too many and out of control, especially the older ones, probably between 40 - 60 who are misleading their part of downlines to explaining things their own way instead of following the company's path.
Just like a school, when it starts to become popular, more and more people want to get into it because of its ability and fame. When things go out of hand, even the best schools got their darkest parts. You can't blame the principal for it can you? Neither is it the students' fault nor their parents or teachers. Everybody has a part to play and its impossible you'll find somewhere free from black sheeps...
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Study carefully these 2 documents...
Mr James is buying in and setting up overseas companies (not in Singapore) with huge sums of money.
The EMCOM International is renamed from China Photar Electronics. China Potar was acquired by EMCOM Limited.Both are registered in Caymans Island. Nothing to do with Empire Communications in Singapore.
This is their new EMCOM website: http://www.emcominternational.com/
Mr James IS FULLILING his dreams... He has all the money now... What if he has enough and his overseas companies are starting to pay off..?
Sunshine Empire merchants, you have paid thousand of dollars to set up an online shop, paid thousands for a 4 year call-back plan. Multiply the thousands into hundred thousands if you have mutliple GPs.
Our Govt cannot stop you if you want to buy $10,000 worth of call-back plan per year and pay even pay upfront, not withstanding you use up only $10-$20 per month or not at all.
Govt cannot tell a man whether to join Safra Club for $20 or the Singapore island Country Club for $100,000.
So SE Merchants... exactly are you really doing alot of buying and selling online??? If not... how do you really expect $$thousands of rebates per month???!!!
Even if there are monthly rebates, they are based on a online shopping mall registered by a 20-something Malaysian boy called Michael Ooi wei keat.
A website that can close down anytime.
The money may be good when it comes.. easy when it comes...
But the system is uncontrolled and unregulated...
Your payout is not based on some formula that can be calculated or predicted. It is more likely based on a "Please Sir.... I want some more..." (Oliver Twist)
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Originally posted by aiki_kiddo:
I beg to differ here, everywhere there are black sheeps and greedy people. Even in normal working life and businesses out there, you'll find those who'll eventually tarnish their own company's name wether is it good or bad.I've a bunch of friends from NTI and SE who I see really grow up and changed alot for the better. What I heard from is that the people there became too many and out of control, especially the older ones, probably between 40 - 60 who are misleading their part of downlines to explaining things their own way instead of following the company's path.
Just like a school, when it starts to become popular, more and more people want to get into it because of its ability and fame. When things go out of hand, even the best schools got their darkest parts. You can't blame the principal for it can you? Neither is it the students' fault nor their parents or teachers. Everybody has a part to play and its impossible you'll find somewhere free from black sheeps...
Why only you who noticed people in there changed for the better? Or rather, why so few of you?
The thing about misleading downlines itself is misleading the public. The company's structure and fundamentals have been challenged by the public and questioned by the CAD that its no longer a simple case of few black sheeps.
I am sorry, but this thing about 'few black sheeps' no longer apply to SE, and has long become an excuse or poor attempt to cover the shady schemes.
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goin to check my account this month hope.......got...... money..... hihihih
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aiyoh this month's bonus only 70.85 USD goin bankrupt really ah
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Originally posted by Zwei51:
We don't say smack down anything. Just show us the company's financial statements instead of spinning wild fantasies and asking people to invest can already. If NTI or SE focussed on the products they were selling, and worked out a credible plan for their downlines to be compensated, and take the slow but sure route of reaching out to their market instead of trying to take shortcut through everything, you would not be facing this kind of problem. NTI was actually a good xompany in the beginning. The people who started it in that small office in Shenton Way and the beginning downlines all went through a lot in terms of training, development and a genuine desire to better themselves and form a good company to be proud of. Maybe not spectacular, but slow and steady wins the race. But now everything in this company has been perverted by the same person who started it. James Phang.
The Company has been perverted by greed.Everything this man taught in his lessons and everything in his life he has gone through has been for nothing because of greed.If James Phang listened to his own lessons and focussed on a core business and a core product I would be following him to this day. But because of greed, because of wanting to take shortcut, because he cannot focus and concentrate on one business, he is now doomed to FAIL.
I hate to say this but James Phang would not fail and most of his members will not fail either (those that has joined SE before April 2006). Those members with more than 10GPs in the beginning now easily have 15-30 GPs and they are not your poor student out there NOR the poor auntie/uncles who uses their life time savings out there... these pple are from rich backgrounds and they too bring in the same pple with the same riches as themselves. These pple are enabling James Phang's account to get ever bigger. 10GPs mean peanuts to this pple and believe me James Phang has a whole network of all these suckers. They will believe in him cos he wont cheat them by not paying, he will just take from those small flies below that buy lesser GPs and pay these important pple of his.
To stop these small flies from buying, its not possible. Look at what's going on in Singapore - despite all our postings plus media coverage, there's still idiots buying in. why? cos there's tons of pple who doesnt read the web/newspaper to know what's going on. These pple are still in tons of thousands - each one buy 1 GP, more than enough liao.
These money he took will eventually be pumped into a legitimate business with core business and product. And i assure you by then, everything that he does will be super law abinding. But meanwhile.... he will need to go for the killing.
CAD is taking forever cos the business model of SE is legitimate technically. why? They have a product to give to for the money pple puts in. But in practice, of course we know its not that simple. All their investments/projects nonsense has already been brushed aside by Jackie Ho and I am sure their accounting books will reflect that as well since in the first place all these crap projects dont exist/ no big magnitude.
SO........... this will just drag on and yes James Phang is just going to get richer. what you guys wish to see - ' James Phang being discredited', 'James Phang bankrupt, put behind bars' etc.. will not happen. I wont use the word 'never' but i will use the words 'highly unlikely'.
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Originally posted by Brains:
WI hate to say this but James Phang would not fail and most of his members will not fail either (those that has joined SE before April 2006). Those members with more than 10GPs in the beginning now easily have 15-30 GPs and they are not your poor student out there NOR the poor auntie/uncles who uses their life time savings out there... these pple are from rich backgrounds and they too bring in the same pple with the same riches as themselves. These pple are enabling James Phang's account to get ever bigger. 10GPs mean peanuts to this pple and believe me James Phang has a whole network of all these suckers. They will believe in him cos he wont cheat them by not paying, he will just take from those small flies below that buy lesser GPs and pay these important pple of his.
To stop these small flies from buying, its not possible. Look at what's going on in Singapore - despite all our postings plus media coverage, there's still idiots buying in. why? cos there's tons of pple who doesnt read the web/newspaper to know what's going on. These pple are still in tons of thousands - each one buy 1 GP, more than enough liao.
These money he took will eventually be pumped into a legitimate business with core business and product. And i assure you by then, everything that he does will be super law abinding. But meanwhile.... he will need to go for the killing.
CAD is taking forever cos the business model of SE is legitimate technically. why? They have a product to give to for the money pple puts in. But in practice, of course we know its not that simple. All their investments/projects nonsense has already been brushed aside by Jackie Ho and I am sure their accounting books will reflect that as well since in the first place all these crap projects dont exist/ no big magnitude.
SO........... this will just drag on and yes James Phang is just going to get richer. what you guys wish to see - ' James Phang being discredited', 'James Phang bankrupt, put behind bars' etc.. will not happen. I wont use the word 'never' but i will use the words 'highly unlikely'.
Well, there's an old saying that goes "you can't cheat an honest man" so I guess ultimately, people involved get just what they deserve.
I find it difficult to imagine though how his legitimate businesses can succeed though. His payout rates are too high and his time horizon is too short. It take years for most companies to become profitable.
Also, the SE "strategy" of going into every industry simultaneously does not make sense at all. There is no focus. He might as well just invest the money into an index fund.
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so meaning that those small files who bought 1 or 2 GPs are the ones feeling threated as second handed or should i say unfair treatment?
It does make sense that those who join SE since 2006 are the ones going to be benefited continously. They are the core merchants that can bring the business forward am i right? so ultimately those poor investors who joined lately may or may not feel being cheated ya?
Even if all those projects would succeed, right now they already lose credibility of those "small files", just to save those who stayed with them till now. afterall so many people got hurt financially, do you think that will benefit them really? because in the eyes of those got cheated, JP would still be a bad record infront of their sight.
Is Mafia illegal? yes they are, but are they rich and successful in their influence and organization? absolutely. And those who follow their leader, though they are rich, however they're continously being de-valued by society and blind by moral hazzards.
In conclusion, let those people who still stand for SE continue in their doings, because afterall everyone hold the responsibilities in their own life. If you are going to keep spending your energy to discredit or charge them, in the end all your life will be wasted, you could have better off spending your time in establishing your own life. So don't spend your energy on people whom you can no longer be advised
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