MLM, the typical tactics. Beware
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I say again... i am not technical enuff to explain such things.... its my gut feeling that SCAMS wont make it to SGX thats all...Originally posted by laurence82:But you dont even have basis for your own point of view
If your point of view is good enough, why not stand for it instead of resorting to the old 'everyone has their pov' thing?
Then why make such statements that scams dont make it to public listing?
Why?
U are juz like...." explain why u say u tell me u dun wan TUR KWA when u didnt tell me u don wan TUR KWA"
ok SGX is SGX scam is scam... good enuff???
They dun link... doesnt mean SCAM cannot listed...... Listed may not be good??
WOOoOoOOOoOOOooOOOoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Why rely on gut feelings?Originally posted by AVG:I say again... i am not technical enuff to explain such things.... its my gut feeling that SCAMS wont make it to SGX thats all...
U are juz like...." explain why u say u tell me u dun wan TUR KWA when u didnt tell me u don wan TUR KWA"
ok SGX is SGX scam is scam... good enuff???
They dun link... doesnt mean SCAM cannot listed...... Listed may not be good??
WOOoOoOOOoOOOooOOOoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The use of tur kwa is a poor analogy. From the beginning you could not make a stand, when challenged, resort to poor analogies and 'giving in to people'
Doesnt make sense to hold such discussions in a forum
Like i told the other chap, please respect the sanctity of this place. -
Originally posted by gky:what company is that?
VE group. U wanna see their products? Go to 3rd level via the main lift.
Reading the TS point if view, I feel so stupid being their victim... luckily I didnt sell anything, just treat it as time wasted and a lesson learnt.
Oh ya and the their phone calls, let me explain the untold truth
1. "Earn about 500 to 2k per month"
- Actually it should be 0 to 2k per month, there is no guarantee that u will earn
2. "Assist managers in assignments"
- Ya sort of "assist them" by getting permission to your friends or relative house to sell them stuffs.
3. "Not so much about marketing, more on managing"
-Its a long way before u reach the "managing part"
4. "I am calling VE group"
-Why u didnt dare to say your company full name out loud?
My advice, if they call u, and u have nothing to do (especially the school holidays) give it a try. I mean just go down there and see what they are up to and most importantly learn from them. Hear what they have to say. You can also spend some time into their "free job training"
But most importantly do not reveal any other people's contact. If they give you some paper and ask to to write down a contact list as a form of HP backup,
LEAVE THE COMPANY IMMEDIATELY
Luckily my friend is understand enough to forgive me when I went up to his house for "assignment" -
Half truths, whole lies, and tricking people.
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OFF Topic : Anyway I saw an auntie selling water system with the brand name "sunshine". Is it related to Sunshine empire?
ON TOPIC : Oh ya I also remember they show us some animation about 2 brothers who fetch water over a hill to earn a living. One propose using bigger bucket to fetch more so he could earn more, however he was hindered by his physical limits. Another proposed building a water pipe, in the end, water was flowing in non-stop and he was earning $$ without having to work.......
The story is a total crap, u cant link natural resources with marketing. -
The story is The Parable of the Pipeline.. like the title, it is a parable, so of coz no direct link.. the main point of the story is just to teach us to be able to think out of the box and able to understand and see a good opportunity for the long term even though others may not etc..Originally posted by AsGi4Lum:OFF Topic : Anyway I saw an auntie selling water system with the brand name "sunshine". Is it related to Sunshine empire?
ON TOPIC : Oh ya I also remember they show us some animation about 2 brothers who fetch water over a hill to earn a living. One propose using bigger bucket to fetch more so he could earn more, however he was hindered by his physical limits. Another proposed building a water pipe, in the end, water was flowing in non-stop and he was earning $$ without having to work.......
The story is a total crap, u cant link natural resources with marketing.
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Originally posted by redstone:
intersted to do biz is this most commonly used.. lol.. sick of that pharse
I'm finally free to make a long consolidated post.
[b]How they CONvince you to join them
Beware when some random stranger messages you online, email, sms etc, asking to be friend. The typical lines would be...
"Whats your interest"
"Whats your ambition"
"Interested to do biz?"
This is called fake facade. Fake friendship. Some people go to great lengths to act out friendship to drag people into MLMing. Trust me... It's like a drama serial, all planned out.
Then one fine day they'll give an excuse to ask you out. This can be extremely creative. From askin you out to dinner, lunch to movies, asking you to help them do some stuff, give something to them, matchmaking, etc.
Usually it would be at an eating place, or someplace where you can gather. Most probably somewhere near the company's office. One favourite haunt is Lau Pa Sat.
Then here, the fake friendliness gets really scary. It seems everyone's know you for a million years and starts talking to you like an old frined. But take note there would almost always have this one person chatting to you. He'll be the most friendly, acting concerned, etc. Beware, this guy/girl might be your future upline if you join. Thi s is called building relationship is sales.
You would ask where they are going, then the most common excuses they'll give are:
"Why do you ask so much"
"It's very hard to explain"
"You'll know when you reach there"
"It's fun, its interesting"
Or they'll just divert topic.t
Ask them directly, and they would give you the lost for words expression, and will repeat the excuses. I've had 5 different people asking me "do you know what you're here for" and when I ask them what, they give all sorts of excues. So when I finally probe this guy, he admits its sales, but says its SLM, not MLM. They can think op of all sorts of unique names. But the concept is still the same. Another excuse is "start you own business".
Finally they've successfully tricked you into going for their outing. Then, slowly, fox tail emerges. They would tell you to go "somewhere see see" or some creative excuses to get you to go to their office, seminar, whatever.
Office situation:
Will intro you their products, will say how great the company is. Or to one particular company, says how great their father... oops i mean boss is.
Some companies, like this particular one used to be behind LPS, now shifted to Eunos will boast how great their company is, to lame extents, like how they can afford Shenton Way rent, if its not good they won't be able to, blah blah blah. Other people would hold you back until the big guy arrives with a "business proposal".
Typical manipulation of emotions sequence of steps:
1) Question your future
They would question your future, what is your ambition, etc.
2) Makes you question your future
They would make you question your future. Tell you to think of how much you can earn, how big is the industry of your field, etc.
3) Insults your future
They would say how bad your future is, there's no future in your field, etc. Your job no hope, cannot earn anything, won't be successful. Basically trying to shoot you down and to shatter your morale. This is a critical step for them.
4) "Reality check"
They would say how cost of living is increasing, how news say your field has no hope, etc. Stating some "examples". Say what power tariffs increasing, petrol price increasing, etc. Say you job would not be able to make the money to cover it.
5) "Your road to success"
Knowing your morale had been destroyed by steps 2 to 4, they try to "console" you, there is a way out. This is called, enforcing relationships. Like a knight helping a damsel in distress. They would hope that you would "thank" them for it.
6) Gives examples
Typical "examples":
a) Earn more than uni grad
b) "Look at him, he's < insert age here >, so young, driving car liao"
c) Say can earn few thousands a month. Shows the top earners in suits, looking confident, how much they had earned, a few 10Ks.
d) Say how MLM had "changed their lives" and "made them a better person"
7) Boast, compare
They would boast about how successful their company is, how fast they've grown, how fast they'll grow, etc. Would say how great their seniors are, say they're at
8 ) Big guy arrives
They would send for the big guys, their seniors, and most likely the steps would be repeated. [/b] -
Oh ya.... Their website is finally online......
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What's the use when their agents cheat and trick people?Originally posted by AsGi4Lum:Oh ya.... Their website is finally online...... -
lol, more areas to do CON-structive stuffs
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Looks like En Old aka Anal Mag. Sorry typo I mean En Youth aka Astral Mag is still using the same old tactic I posted.
1) Give any excuse to ask you to meet up.
2) There will be this one guy/girl super friendly talk to u like old friend.
3) Will say how GREAT the cult is. Drive car, earn more than uni grad. How EY "had changed their lives"
If all else fails they go for the underhand approach. War.
4) Ask you what's your future dream
5) Say your future field has no future, dream job is useless
6) Say cost of living increase ("how much can you earn with your job")
7) Say MLM is the only way out, etc -
Haha.. what an experience you had. These people are so unprofessional.Please give me the contatc of the person. I hope to go down to the company some day. Thanks!
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Me? Sure, PM me.
Okay, another of my friend had kena-ed approached by MLM. There are ways to reject them. They're pressurised by their upline sitting beside them to sell.
The most common line would be "If you don't buy how you know it doesn't work". For this simply say "why don't you buy for me to try?"
Best excuse would be no money. If they say withdraw from ATM, say no ATM card, or ATM account empty. Or give some lame excuse say you just paid your taxes, bills, fees, etc no money.
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Originally posted by AVG:
I say again... i am not technical enuff to explain such things.... its my gut feeling that SCAMS wont make it to SGX thats all...
U are juz like...." explain why u say u tell me u dun wan TUR KWA when u didnt tell me u don wan TUR KWA"
ok SGX is SGX scam is scam... good enuff???
They dun link... doesnt mean SCAM cannot listed...... Listed may not be good??
WOOoOoOOOoOOOooOOOoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SGX is not the governing authority on scams. It's a stock exchange to facilitate the exchange of stocks and shares.
See companies like Enron, Worldcom, China Aviation Oil, all large international listed compaines. All fell cos of fruad.
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Eh does property agency work in some similar way like MLM?
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a recent example is Societe Generale
one of top French banks, now facing collapse due to fraud
listed so what? doesnt mean a thing
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Originally posted by simpleboi:
The story is The Parable of the Pipeline.. like the title, it is a parable, so of coz no direct link.. the main point of the story is just to teach us to be able to think out of the box and able to understand and see a good opportunity for the long term even though others may not etc..
Yes. But the Parable of the Pipeline has nothing to do with MLMs.
The pipeline works because there is an increase in productivity. The manpower and effort required to build the pipe costs less than the manpower and effort required to move the equivalent amount of water by hand over the lifetime of the pipe.
MLMs do not increase productivity. Instead of building a pipeline, an MLMer would get all his friends and relatives to help him carry water and promise them huge amounts of money to do so. However, the catch is that the greater returns they want, the more water they have to buy. In theory, they could sell the water to other people as well but the water is so overpriced, people would not buy for the water itself, but for the promised returns.
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Lol the moral of the story is "Work hard for greater goals" Cant believe they twisted it into sth related to passive income.....
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Originally posted by AsGi4Lum:
Eh does property agency work in some similar way like MLM?
Depends....At least they don't use unscrupulous tactics like Enyouth
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MDIS building really made me laugh. I met this friend not long ago and we both chat. So at first i asked him wat is he doing now and he told me that he's doing health product sales at MDIS building at Eunos. PLs not he didn't told me wat company. SO i went on asking wat kinda job is it and hows the pay. He didn't ans me on the pay thing but instead he told me that he jus sold something and earn 600 bucks. In the end i asked him if he's doing MLM and he admit.
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hmmm... im just curious... does any1 that replies in this forum is a network marketer? i mean... actually i think we all know that in any industry there are the black sheeps ... but are'nt we a bit too extreme here? i read from books by robert t.kiyosaki that explains on network marketing and why it is do-able for people who are willing to get out of their comfort zone.
I saw a interesting qn being posted above "Eh does property agency work in some similar way like MLM?"
haha.. in fact, many insurance agents, financial planners, wealth managers and property agents are leveraging on network marketing to build their individual biznesses... if it is so "wrong" why is it so prominent now?
I know of a friend in ntu now who is in year 2 now earns close to 30k per month from his wealth manager sideline :) and he is leveraging on this bizness model :) -
Your friend earns near 30K per month? Are you sure did not add an extra zero yourself? Why the hell is he still studying then? Since he is earning more than most CEOs, he should quit school and maybe get the Straits Times or Chronicle to feature him. Internet talk is cheap.
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haha.. ya lor :) internet talk is cheap...
Actually there are many more things in life then just money... knowledge and time is precious to sum people too...
Values and priorities are the key behind a person's actions..
The fact that some people choose to finish their studies even though they are earning way more then most people outside is not to intimidate ppl.. but more of trying to bring across values that are enduring :) im not saying that quittin school to do stuff is wrong but its just a matter of priorities and values :)
Have faith in wadever u do after you have fixed your direction :) if u identified network marketing as the model to go den persevere in it. As long as you do not cross your own line and you are answerable to yourself by all means make that bold step :) mlm tactics to put it simply are just sales tactics. Nothing much wrong wif dat though :)
Some of the richest people and youngsters are still pursuing their studies even though they do not need to worry about their life in terms of security. These people are doing what dey are doing from the hunger they have within them. It is this "hunger" thats invaluable.
A lot is in the self. A lot of students will always complain about lecturers and tutors.. but most of the time, its really us students that are just not showing enuff enthusiasm in wad we are learning which shows in the kinda results u get :)
The key to the post earlier is to maybe show a different side to people who read this thread. You should always be shown 2 sides of the story. :)
I hav to sae dat i hav a lot to learn from young entrepreneurs like those :) but i still believe in my own passion .
Identify ur passion and work towards it.. there may be many falls and obstacles but the result is satisfying
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These MLM tricksters are creating very bad karma for themselves
and their descendants.Of course they will scoff at me.
Why are disasters more and more frequent these days?Look at Sichuan.
Visit:http://www.accesstoinsight.org for the Buddhist perspective
on living and morality.
"The righteous shalt inherit the Earth."
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Originally posted by redstone:
I'm finally free to make a long consolidated post.
How they CONvince you to join them
Beware when some random stranger messages you online, email, sms etc, asking to be friend. The typical lines would be...
"Whats your interest"
"Whats your ambition"
"Interested to do biz?"
This is called fake facade. Fake friendship. Some people go to great lengths to act out friendship to drag people into MLMing. Trust me... It's like a drama serial, all planned out.
Then one fine day they'll give an excuse to ask you out. This can be extremely creative. From askin you out to dinner, lunch to movies, asking you to help them do some stuff, give something to them, matchmaking, etc.
Usually it would be at an eating place, or someplace where you can gather. Most probably somewhere near the company's office. One favourite haunt is Lau Pa Sat.
Then here, the fake friendliness gets really scary. It seems everyone's know you for a million years and starts talking to you like an old frined. But take note there would almost always have this one person chatting to you. He'll be the most friendly, acting concerned, etc. Beware, this guy/girl might be your future upline if you join. Thi s is called building relationship is sales.
You would ask where they are going, then the most common excuses they'll give are:
"Why do you ask so much"
"It's very hard to explain"
"You'll know when you reach there"
"It's fun, its interesting"
Or they'll just divert topic.t
Ask them directly, and they would give you the lost for words expression, and will repeat the excuses. I've had 5 different people asking me "do you know what you're here for" and when I ask them what, they give all sorts of excues. So when I finally probe this guy, he admits its sales, but says its SLM, not MLM. They can think op of all sorts of unique names. But the concept is still the same. Another excuse is "start you own business".
Finally they've successfully tricked you into going for their outing. Then, slowly, fox tail emerges. They would tell you to go "somewhere see see" or some creative excuses to get you to go to their office, seminar, whatever.
Office situation:
Will intro you their products, will say how great the company is. Or to one particular company, says how great their father... oops i mean boss is.
Some companies, like this particular one used to be behind LPS, now shifted to Eunos will boast how great their company is, to lame extents, like how they can afford Shenton Way rent, if its not good they won't be able to, blah blah blah. Other people would hold you back until the big guy arrives with a "business proposal".
Typical manipulation of emotions sequence of steps:
1) Question your future
They would question your future, what is your ambition, etc.
2) Makes you question your future
They would make you question your future. Tell you to think of how much you can earn, how big is the industry of your field, etc.
3) Insults your future
They would say how bad your future is, there's no future in your field, etc. Your job no hope, cannot earn anything, won't be successful. Basically trying to shoot you down and to shatter your morale. This is a critical step for them.
4) "Reality check"
They would say how cost of living is increasing, how news say your field has no hope, etc. Stating some "examples". Say what power tariffs increasing, petrol price increasing, etc. Say you job would not be able to make the money to cover it.
5) "Your road to success"
Knowing your morale had been destroyed by steps 2 to 4, they try to "console" you, there is a way out. This is called, enforcing relationships. Like a knight helping a damsel in distress. They would hope that you would "thank" them for it.
6) Gives examples
Typical "examples":
a) Earn more than uni grad
b) "Look at him, he's < insert age here >, so young, driving car liao"
c) Say can earn few thousands a month. Shows the top earners in suits, looking confident, how much they had earned, a few 10Ks.
d) Say how MLM had "changed their lives" and "made them a better person"
7) Boast, compare
They would boast about how successful their company is, how fast they've grown, how fast they'll grow, etc. Would say how great their seniors are, say they're at
8 ) Big guy arrives
They would send for the big guys, their seniors, and most likely the steps would be repeated.the 25 year old idiot will refute you, die die also will believe these ppl are his friends and he will borrow from loansharks, give his money away, just to help these ppl "start their business"
now he's homeless, got thrown out of his house, owe like $8000 or more, not to mention owe like 3 different loansharks..