Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:Its so funny, with RM 30,000 just to get to another higher lvl? Is it they recruit ppl or do sales that can generate monetary worth of RM 30,000 to the co., or the agent must produce the money?
RM 30,000 can buy car in m'sia...
cuz with another level, the comission will be higher and so on benefits.but just too high. yea RM 30,000 u can buy a small good car.
Originally posted by Zarks:A good mlm will not teach u to reveal product or name of company when u go and get ur fren to know more bout this stuff. the one who ask u to reveal company and products name are a loser one.
Isnt it vice versa?
normally , from what i know, if a company has a policy for members who want to get to higher level by investing more money (eg, a few 10K more), it means their company are not getting much money from members and are trying to get more income by doin that. Roughly means they are getting loss..
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
Isnt it vice versa?
not really, from what i heard from many frens, they cant reveil the company and the products name.
once u reveil what u do and after u show the product without proper meeting with the seniors in the company, its likely 90 % that the fren ur inviting will reject..there are rules to ensure higher % of getting members under you
but everything depends on luck and whether the person your looking have the same passion to look for more money and investing some money for more.. its hard to get anyone without those passions
Originally posted by Zarks:
not really, from what i heard from many frens, they cant reveil the company and the products name.
once u reveil what u do and after u show the product without proper meeting with the seniors in the company, its likely 90 % that the fren ur inviting will reject..there are rules to ensure higher % of getting members under you
I guess that its because of the agents inexperience of recruitment... So by having a senior that have more experience, the chances of getting members is higher...
I am using a different method though, I will tell them briefly on what I am doing on the phone ( be clear that its mlm) , get them curious abt what I am doing then tell them in detail when I meet them...
So far only called 2 ppl, both meet up but not interested for their own reasons... Still experimenting with this method...
Originally posted by Zarks:but everything depends on luck and whether the person your looking have the same passion to look for more money and investing some money for more.. its hard to get anyone without those passions
I 100% agree with u on that...
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
I guess that its because of the agents inexperience of recruitment... So by having a senior that have more experience, the chances of getting members is higher...I am using a different method though, I will tell them briefly on what I am doing on the phone ( be clear that its mlm) , get them curious abt what I am doing then tell them in detail when I meet them...
So far only called 2 ppl, both meet up but not interested for their own reasons... Still experimenting with this method...
Just tell them you want them to meet some1 important and u have something to show them. But its best if u call one by one not 2 by 2 cuz if u bring 2, another one will affect the one's thinking.
After that, u set the date, must be within 2 days, simple as day or evening. u choose the date and time avaiable. if u let ppl choose, they will likely know what ur up to and will no matter wat reject wat ur gonna do.
I know some rules taught by my fren on how they wan to tackle members and increase their % hehe. ITs not lying and its not confusing.
Originally posted by Zarks:
Just tell them you want them to meet some1 important and u have something to show them. But its best if u call one by one not 2 by 2 cuz if u bring 2, another one will affect the one's thinking.
After that, u set the date, must be within 2 days, simple as day or evening. u choose the date and time avaiable. if u let ppl choose, they will likely know what ur up to and will no matter wat reject wat ur gonna do.
I know some rules taught by my fren on how they wan to tackle members and increase their % hehe. ITs not lying and its not confusing.
They would effect one another? Both of my friends dun know each other... One poly friend another sec sch friend...
Thanks for the tips... I ll try those methods that u just shared...
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
They would effect one another? Both of my friends dun know each other... One poly friend another sec sch friend...Thanks for the tips... I ll try those methods that u just shared...
Think bout this.
Person A said he dun have money and his parents would object.
Person B actually think its good . and person A remind him bout money and parents.
person A continue to talk that he dun trust this mlm cuz too many rumours
Person B who never even heard of mlm heard him saying that and he would think bout it too..
u bring them together in a meeting sitting side by side? kinda dangerous.
best pick them up to the place instead of them going to the meeting place by themself. and do not try to trick them that you're just goin for lunch or u want them to meet some pretty gals and then suddenly they are in your company. They will hate u forever. Be cool and dont reveil wat your doin ( just say your doin some business) and company's name and product no matter what.( This is very important )(cus if they heard of your product and company, they wont think twice to reject u, especially if they have been to the company b4)
most important , Team Up with your advisor.
U sit middle, fren sit on ur left. advisor on ur right. all of u must not facing company entrance.
intro advisor, how long hes exp in this business, and let advisor do the talking. after advisor finish, u continue ur talk, let him think how is this and that. if ur fren have doubt try to answer all of them, never easily accept their excuse of parents or no money, try and try to get them into benefit of joining company , of course u must let them know the marketing plan and the benefit or they don know wat benefit are u talking and they will say u bullshit without anything to show. Conversation must not be longer than 10 mins. At last minute, show the form or anything for ur fren to sign.
I shall try this method... Thanx zarks
Ur friend shared alot with u rgd-ing this...
Please, it still does not justify tricking people down. Yes, if you say up front "its MLM" maybe 90% of people will reject, at least they will not have bad impression of the organisation. Lets say you trick people down, hiding truth about business, giving excuses like meeting up, etc etc and finally the poor victim is at your office. Your uplines try to persuade them in. Lets take it that 90% of people will reject...
Ok nvm... lets say your upline is really good and only 75% will reject. These 75% would be the angry ones, being tricked down to company, etc. Tell me what's worse. 90% of people rejected, but rejected 'happily' or 75% rejected, very angry for being tricked down.
Think about it. Ask yourself. If I were to trick you down... Say I were to say "hey bro, long time no see, I buy u dinner"... Then at dinner I say, hey i wanna show u something. Dont ask too much you'll know when u get there. Then I show u a "miracle product". Tell me. Would you be happy being tricked down to listen to something you're not interested or already hate? Think about it and tell me.
Originally posted by redstone:Please, it still does not justify tricking people down. Yes, if you say up front "its MLM" maybe 90% of people will reject, at least they will not have bad impression of the organisation. Lets say you trick people down, hiding truth about business, giving excuses like meeting up, etc etc and finally the poor victim is at your office. Your uplines try to persuade them in. Lets take it that 90% of people will reject...
Ok nvm... lets say your upline is really good and only 75% will reject. These 75% would be the angry ones, being tricked down to company, etc. Tell me what's worse. 90% of people rejected, but rejected 'happily' or 75% rejected, very angry for being tricked down.
Think about it. Ask yourself. If I were to trick you down... Say I were to say "hey bro, long time no see, I buy u dinner"... Then at dinner I say, hey i wanna show u something. Dont ask too much you'll know when u get there. Then I show u a "miracle product". Tell me. Would you be happy being tricked down to listen to something you're not interested or already hate? Think about it and tell me.
if u tell them its a mlm before hand, 90% will reject.. but after the conversation, 100% of those who went will agree with you and join u...
however if u dont tell them before hand.. 90% will go wif u... however 90% will not agree wif u and wont join u
Originally posted by elementalangel:if u tell them its a mlm before hand, 90% will reject.. but after the conversation, 100% of those who went will agree with you and join u...
however if u dont tell them before hand.. 90% will go wif u... however 90% will not agree wif u and wont join u
This does make sense, if i place myself in both positions, i would prefer knowing b4 hand than not knowing at all... I guess ppl do not like to be surprised...
a good mlm person wont play any trick.. bout buying dinner then suddenly ur in the mlm company, any fren would have pissed off.
i dont know bout mlm in singapore. but what my fren from different mlm company never said bout letting their fren know bout company and products. all of them said it wont work, ppl will already reject u without knowing how good is your product when they heard MLM !
Originally posted by elementalangel:if u tell them its a mlm before hand, 90% will reject.. but after the conversation, 100% of those who went will agree with you and join u...
however if u dont tell them before hand.. 90% will go wif u... however 90% will not agree wif u and wont join u
elementalangel, are u in the mlm b4? if your not, perhaps you shouldnt really tell how how much ppl might join if they know your doin mlm. perhaps u r thinking if your the person who are invited by mlm person.
and its not 100% that ppl will join no matter how u tell them its mlm b4 u bring them in. People who are experienced enough will know reveiling company and product and what ur doin will not work. but u guys can try and experiment this yourself but bear in mind, any fren has possibility to be a down-line, worth it to sacrifice few potentials just for experiment?
Originally posted by redstone:Please, it still does not justify tricking people down. Yes, if you say up front "its MLM" maybe 90% of people will reject, at least they will not have bad impression of the organisation. Lets say you trick people down, hiding truth about business, giving excuses like meeting up, etc etc and finally the poor victim is at your office. Your uplines try to persuade them in. Lets take it that 90% of people will reject...
Ok nvm... lets say your upline is really good and only 75% will reject. These 75% would be the angry ones, being tricked down to company, etc. Tell me what's worse. 90% of people rejected, but rejected 'happily' or 75% rejected, very angry for being tricked down.
Think about it. Ask yourself. If I were to trick you down... Say I were to say "hey bro, long time no see, I buy u dinner"... Then at dinner I say, hey i wanna show u something. Dont ask too much you'll know when u get there. Then I show u a "miracle product". Tell me. Would you be happy being tricked down to listen to something you're not interested or already hate? Think about it and tell me.
there are always rules in MLM company, Some unprofessional MLM company would just ask u to cheat ur fren and straight away ask them to come in the company. Experienced company wont do that unless u urself did the opposite way or to experiment your own way.
bout buying dinner and saying wanna show something doesnt mean your tricking your fren. like u said, Hey, i wanna show u something. That is not tricking but thats the truth ? Why wanna bring fren to company? Cuz there are more products to be shown than just simply talking bullshit or just by giving brochure without having them see the real product.
IT depends on ppl. some ppl just hate this MLM stuff but some who wanna earn more money and have the same passion might have interested. Its too one-sided to think how ppl will hate it and forgetting some1 who might be interested in it.
all MLM plans are actually very very enticing... it would even lure someone who is really skeptical about mlms by tricking them down and making them listen to ur advisor... dont u agree? thats y even though people hate mlm now... there would always be some of those people who have been tricked before to fall into the same trap once again...
however if some one is already open to the mlm concept... he is not against it... and you tell him about it... he readily agrees to listen to your talk... which could even lure in people who actually hate mlm.. what is the probility that the person would be lured in???
if its just about listening MLM plan or anything about MLM products, it doesnt mean MLM need to trick them into this. As i said, there are many unethical ppl who lure anyone with bullshit promises and even tricked them into dinner but straight away to company. Some ppl will do anything just to get them into this, but proffesional ones wont do this kind of thing. They just bring them, show them, and last decision is still yours. and that's it.
Ppl hate MLM bcuz of the ppl. Unethical ppl will only make more ppl hate them due to stupid promises. It always depend on how MLM ppl wanna do their job. MLM itself is a good business, just the unethical ppl in it will do anything to get members.
No matter what, its still depend if u wanna join or not. Last decision still yours. Anyone can straight away leave if they find themselves in a company.
Plus is it because ppl are telling us MLM is bad, and that opinion alone affect some1 whos interested? Why not if a person really interested to know and just go and get more knowledge. Last decision is still yours wat.
I dont know how many of u here get tricked in a bad way. Too bad nowadays there are just too many unethical MLM person.
Zarks:
Yes, I've seen people say "I treat u dinner, long time no see liao"... Just "dinner", and last min only after they meet they say "since my office is nearby i show u something". Or worst still like Enyouth, teaching agents how to trick people down.
Okay, nevermind the baskets at Enyouth. Personally I feel as long as you hide the truth about the nature of biz from your potential recruits, I count it as cheating. Like... Another scenario:
Agent: Hey u free this fri? I show u something
B: What thing?
Agent: Aiyah very interesting one, hey long time no see too, I buy u dinner want?
2 yrs ago VE used the tactic of hiding truth about nature of biz til the very last moment, after all the crap presentations. They'll say "hey help me out, let me present to u". Using hard persuasion, and not letting you leave the office.... for 2 hours!!! Be truthful. I can't accept earning money from trickery.