Repost: Sunshine Empire
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to put it simply,Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:what did it says? I don't have the print edition...
the gahment checking on them n now making it public as they have too much unknown, unreported income from the cmpany itself... -
This scam is featured in today's straits times, go read
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for the truth, their won't refund any money backOriginally posted by ORIGAMIST:I hope I don't interrupt anything here, but yesterday, my friend told me Sunshine Empire just recruited her son, aged 16 to invest. Her son paid $300+ over and does not have a clue what the Organisation is all about. All he knows is money will just come in.
She called the company for a refund but was told that the director is flying all over the world and have to wait for him to come back to refund.
Can anyone help to explain how the refund procedure ? No flaming please ... genuine help required. . .
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Wed, Oct 24, 2007
The Straits Times
'I'm a legend - better than Warren Buffett'
MR JAMES Phang is pumped up with self-belief and confidence, even though a business linked to him is now under scrutiny by the Singapore authorities.
'I'm a legend. I'm very good - better than Warren Buffett,' he declares, referring to the United States investment guru.
Mr Phang claims to control more than US$300 million (S$439 million) in assets.
'We acquire companies like you go to market buying beancurd,' says Mr Phang, a motivational speaker who claims to have over one million students worldwide.
'When I begin my seminars, my loyal participants would shout: 'Father, I love you!',' he says.
Mr Phang, 48, is a charismatic adviser to Sunshine Empire, a multilevel marketing (MLM) firm that has proven to be very popular - but also controversial.
Diversified business
BARELY 16 months into operations here, his MLM arm, Sunshine, was last month placed on the Monetary Authority of Singapore's (MAS') investor alert list. This list names people or firms who may be conducting activities regulated by the MAS without authority.
Mr Phang, who works from a huge office in the Toa Payoh hub, is the founder, director and international president of Empire Group Alliance, a group spanning several Asian countries.
Sunshine is part of the group, but Mr Phang does not own it.
The group has interests in network marketing, entertainment, energy, real estate, telecommunications, health and beauty, insurance, and finance.
Its property arm, Empire Property Venture, is involved in several projects in Malaysia worth US$200 million. These include the 30-storey Empire State Tower in Kuala Lumpur, Sunshine Villa - which will house a medical centre - as well as a marine theme park with underwater accommodation in Malacca.
Empire Group's assets exceed US$300 million, he says.
Mr Phang is careful to emphasise that he 'will not harm anyone and my businesses are legal'.
He says it has taken five years to conceive Sunshine's business model, which he calls revolutionary and superior to others.
At Sunshine, people signing up as merchants under specific plans to shop on its online shopping platform get consumer rebates known as 'e-points', which can be used for online shopping or converted to cash. The rebates are not guaranteed.
Core belief
UNLIKE other MLM firms, Sunshine does not require its 'merchants' to meet a certain sales volume every month - part of its attraction.
Sunshine's online shopping platform reflects Mr Phang's belief in creating wealth.
'We have entered into an era whereby imagination is much more important than knowledge and creativity, much more effective than productivity,' he says.
Humble roots
MR PHANG'S vast business empire belies a humble beginning. Growing up at a vegetable farm in Lim Chu Kang, he worked hard to pay for his studies through various jobs, including construction work.
He left school after O levels and worked at a shipyard while studied for his A levels at night. A medical condition caused his left eye to go blind when he was sitting for his final exams at the National University of Singapore (NUS).
After graduating from NUS with a degree in economics and statistics, he joined the Chinese evening paper, Shin Min Daily News, where he worked as a features writer from 1984 to 1990.
He, however, found his niche in sales, starting at age 19 with door-to-door sales, selling AMC stainless steel cooking utensils, health items and other various products.
'I've sold everything. I'm a walking MLM dictionary. My aim is to grow Sunshine to be a global leading MLM firm with US$2 billion by next year,' he says.
He started MLM firm Number One Product, which sold magnetic mattresses, in 1990.
The Empire Group Alliance was set up in 2003.
Mr Phang is married with four children, ages 13 to 21. -
I will post the outline of the article later ...Originally posted by redstone:Anyone has ST online subsription? Care to post the news here?
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Originally posted by Trump_Card:I will post the outline of the article later ...
I've found it at another forum liao paiseh paiseh
wow... I've never seen someone so bloody arrogant, egoistic and proud as this Phang. Look at how humble Bill Gates is. Or the reclusive Mars family of the Mars chocolate business.
Buffett? Comparing himself to Buffett? Like a primary school kid saying he's smarter than a uni Doctor.
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New user here. Came across the Newspaper this morning so decided to come Sgforums to take a look.
Based on what I understand about the media, I believe everyone should know that the media more or less tends to add abit more spice to any stories. Therefore, James Phang made a casual comment, but because of that, the media made use of a simple phrase and bolded it. And also, I believe James Phang is one who converse more in Chinese more than english. Hence, I believe that perhaps the real meaning of his intention in this exclusive interview was lost in translation.
Well, based of the article, there is nothing positive or negative about this Prime story, it neither said that it is an illegal scheme nor did it promote this program.
But one thing im quite puzzled, if this whole scheme is a scam, unless there is a bigger mastermind behind it, I see no reason for James Phang( the president) to appear in the media. Because, if im a thief, I wont stand out and show everyone my face, let alone giving the interview. It is either James Phang is very confident about his idealogy or he is confident that his scam will pull off.
Cheers for this could be a revolutionary concept in the world right now or a biggest scam in the world after SwissCash. -
With regards to the Prime issue, it is not a complete story without bringing in Emcom into the picture. Anyway, he can stand in public. Since if SE is illegal, he is not affected. He does not own SE.Originally posted by azh86:New user here. Came across the Newspaper this morning so decided to come Sgforums to take a look.
Based on what I understand about the media, I believe everyone should know that the media more or less tends to add abit more spice to any stories. Therefore, James Phang made a casual comment, but because of that, the media made use of a simple phrase and bolded it. And also, I believe James Phang is one who converse more in Chinese more than english. Hence, I believe that perhaps the real meaning of his intention in this exclusive interview was lost in translation.
Well, based of the article, there is nothing positive or negative about this Prime story, it neither said that it is an illegal scheme nor did it promote this program.
But one thing im quite puzzled, if this whole scheme is a scam, unless there is a bigger mastermind behind it, I see no reason for James Phang( the president) to appear in the media. Because, if im a thief, I wont stand out and show everyone my face, let alone giving the interview. It is either James Phang is very confident about his idealogy or he is confident that his scam will pull off.
Cheers for this could be a revolutionary concept in the world right now or a biggest scam in the world after SwissCash. -
Hmmmm, true. However, the news said that SE is a subsidary company of the Empire Group Alliance and if anything happens to SE, it will also reflect badly on his organisation. And also, If he is not related to SE in anyway, why is his face on the news.?Originally posted by mrleech:With regards to the Prime issue, it is not a complete story without bringing in Emcom into the picture. Anyway, he can stand in public. Since if SE is illegal, he is not affected. He does not own SE.
And also what do you mean by 'it is not a complete story without bringing in Emcom into the picture.' ? -
And also, just to add on. I went to take a look at the website. I found this Empire mall website in their Sunshine homepage. Apparently, It looks similarly to Ebay, except for the bidding portion in Ebay. Anybody care to explain who is the relevance to SE? I thought it is an investment company? How come there is an Ebay look-a-like website connected to sunshine?
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Originally posted by azh86:
I go to the link. You need to login to view.. Are you member of Sunshine Empire ?
And also, just to add on. I went to take a look at the website. I found this [b]Empire mall website in their Sunshine homepage. Apparently, It looks similarly to Ebay, except for the bidding portion in Ebay. Anybody care to explain who is the relevance to SE? I thought it is an investment company? How come there is an Ebay look-a-like website connected to sunshine?[/b] -
another thread shows that sunshine ppl seems so proud that they are mentioned on national paper....
how come VE, EY, Japanlife, Herbalife, LFI, E-Excel... never come on papers???
BWL got listed in Mainboard of SGX..........
Scam is scam... kena sue or kena raid.... not that 1 eye freaks's problem....he dun own it anyway... anyway to cheat say 10Mil.... fine 200K or jail 3-5yrs .... i think its worth it lor.... if the punishment is not serious... no one will care but still come out to cheat....
1 eye freak disciple hearsay come out to open his own Binary Money Game.....
Sianz.... last time say investment now say emall pts.... now 1 eye bastard say its not investment.... contradicting leh....
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Lolz. Ya hor. How come the rest of these companies never get on to the papers.But , I think for a company to get on the papers and media. There is only 2 ways. 1, is either they are a big time, full scale, out to scam illegal company, or 2, they are a big time, full scale, out to help people earn money legal honest company. Either way, this SE is an impactful company to the market.
Well, for those who dare to put money in this scheme, good luck if all turns out well.
Anyway, Ive heard that Emcom (a teleco company) of this E.G.A is listed in Hong Kong's Stock market. Is it true? Anybody know?
And also, regarding the Empire Mall, how is it related?
1 eye freak???? You mean James Phang? Anyway friend, we go by facts and logic, not emotions, right? So there is no need to personal attack mah. Pple may be 1 eye, but well, at least he is able to shake the world. Give some credits la.
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Originally posted by azh86:
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Lolz. Ya hor. How come the rest of these companies never get on to the papers.But , I think for a company to get on the papers and media. There is only 2 ways. [b]1, is either they are a big time, full scale, out to scam illegal company, or 2, they are a big time, full scale, out to help people earn money legal honest company. Either way, this SE is an impactful company to the market.
Well, for those who dare to put money in this scheme, good luck if all turns out well.
Anyway, Ive heard that Emcom (a teleco company) of this E.G.A is listed in Hong Kong's Stock market. Is it true? Anybody know?
And also, regarding the Empire Mall, how is it related?
1 eye freak???? You mean James Phang? Anyway friend, we go by facts and logic, not emotions, right? So there is no need to personal attack mah. Pple may be 1 eye, but well, at least he is able to shake the world. Give some credits la. [/b]
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Originally posted by azh86:
And also, just to add on. I went to take a look at the website. I found this Empire mall website in their Sunshine homepage. Apparently, It looks similarly to Ebay, except for the bidding portion in Ebay. Anybody care to explain who is the relevance to SE? I thought it is an investment company? How come there is an Ebay look-a-like website connected to sunshine?
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I go to the link. You need to login to view.. Are you member of Sunshine Empire ? -
Do i need to be a member to go view the Empire Mall??????
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I followed your link and see nothing but you claimed to able to see the set up is something like ebay.. that's why I asked.. Perhaps you can teach me how to view... I joined this thread in the hope to help a friend .. no offend please....Originally posted by azh86:Do i need to be a member to go view the Empire Mall?????? -
Icic. I went to www.emallempire.com to browse around. Look like ebay. SO i was wondering how come an SE (who pple claim to be an investment scam) is related to an online shopping website.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:I followed your link and see nothing but you claimed to able to see the set up is something like ebay.. that's why I asked.. Perhaps you can teach me how to view... I joined this thread in the hope to help a friend .. no offend please.... -
Well, Phang said that is the adviser, so no matter what happen, only the poor 28 years old CEO will face the Music, not James Phang.Originally posted by azh86:New user here. Came across the Newspaper this morning so decided to come Sgforums to take a look.
Based on what I understand about the media, I believe everyone should know that the media more or less tends to add abit more spice to any stories. Therefore, James Phang made a casual comment, but because of that, the media made use of a simple phrase and bolded it. And also, I believe James Phang is one who converse more in Chinese more than english. Hence, I believe that perhaps the real meaning of his intention in this exclusive interview was lost in translation.
Well, based of the article, there is nothing positive or negative about this Prime story, it neither said that it is an illegal scheme nor did it promote this program.
But one thing im quite puzzled, if this whole scheme is a scam, unless there is a bigger mastermind behind it, I see no reason for James Phang( the president) to appear in the media. Because, if im a thief, I wont stand out and show everyone my face, let alone giving the interview. It is either James Phang is very confident about his idealogy or he is confident that his scam will pull off.
Cheers for this could be a revolutionary concept in the world right now or a biggest scam in the world after SwissCash.
JP siad that what he is doing is baove board ... remember what the Youth Challenge boss said when he was investigated? "I am above Board" haha
You notice that all the companies are affiliates ... i.e. thery are seperate entities .... very smart JP, very well plan from the start ... well, he already said, I am better than Warren B. I am the MLM GURU, I am YOU FATHER ....
good luck for those who are still not awake at this last hour ... if I have have invested ... I will redeem every dame thing now, be it Cash or product ... PDAs , mobile phone as ... etc just GET OUT Fast .... empire can also collaspe -
Just to add on, He claims that his whole empire is worth 300 Mil, so i dont think he would be so stupid(though he looks like 1, lol) that because of 10Mil, he risk the reputation of his organisation. (worth 300 mil, he claims), and well, if he is stupid, i dont think he is able to create such a stir up to an extend whereby in forums, pple are willing to spend their precious time talking about him (including me, ha!). Well, i still feeling abit wierd about this whole thing, Scam or real opportunity?Originally posted by AVG:another thread shows that sunshine ppl seems so proud that they are mentioned on national paper....
how come VE, EY, Japanlife, Herbalife, LFI, E-Excel... never come on papers???
BWL got listed in Mainboard of SGX..........
Scam is scam... kena sue or kena raid.... not that 1 eye freaks's problem....he dun own it anyway... anyway to cheat say 10Mil.... fine 200K or jail 3-5yrs .... i think its worth it lor.... if the punishment is not serious... no one will care but still come out to cheat....
1 eye freak disciple hearsay come out to open his own Binary Money Game.....
Sianz.... last time say investment now say emall pts.... now 1 eye bastard say its not investment.... contradicting leh....
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Chill man my friend, he has nothing against you. lol. Diff issues, diff pple. Well, i think if he really want to put the 'Jackie Who?' into trouble (scapegoat), I dont think he will risk himself and appear in the news. Unless he is really that dumb.Originally posted by scarborough:Well, Phang said that is the adviser, so no matter what happen, only the poor 28 years old CEO will face the Music, not James Phang.
JP siad that what he is doing is baove board ... remember what the Youth Challenge boss said when he was investigated? "I am above Board" haha
You notice that all the companies are affiliates ... i.e. thery are seperate entities .... very smart JP, very well plan from the start ... well, he already said, I am better than Warren B. I am the MLM GURU, I am YOU FATHER ....
good luck for those who are still not awake at this last hour ... if I have have invested ... I will redeem every dame thing now, be it Cash or product ... PDAs , mobile phone as ... etc just GET OUT Fast .... empire can also collaspe
And Ya, i totally agree that the members should really go redeem their products while they can. Just like what our dear friend has said, Anything can happen. -
Originally posted by redstone:
This bloke's business is drawing flak and he dares to make this statement ... Kudos ...
Wed, Oct 24, 2007
The Straits Times
[b]'I'm a legend - better than Warren Buffett'
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Haha.... (solemn) thats reason why he claims that he is a legend.....Originally posted by Trump_Card:This bloke's business is drawing flak and he dares to make this statement ... Kudos ... -
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its no where as fast as sgforums, where there are already so many anti SE topics, many dissenters and the number of supposedly SE agents who can come back and boast their income is....almost zilch <<<<
hahahha, where are all those pro MLMers who go nuts over ppl like James Piang and Jacky Who.
"I am better than Warren Buffet"
that may bring about more fools who believe such things. this Straits Times article also may wake up some fools....so it works both ways.
I know people like Warren Buffet couldn't be bother with such arrogant comments.....BUT if , a BIG IF, Warren Buffet were to open a challenge to James Phang here to prove himself ............ -
Originally posted by emcom:Give me a reason why should I proof it to you?
Please refer to phrase 76 and 77.
1 banks are doing MLM now
2 best company, best product, best team, best package, best plans
3 Bill Gates and Microsoft
4 business opportunity
5 business owner
6 cash flow quadrant
7 China, Vietnam, India and Russia is now into MLM, billions and billions to be made.
8 civil servants are now going into network marketing, because there's no more iron ricebowl or job security for them.
9 difference between pyramid selling and Network marketing
10 don't be a frog in the well, come out and see the world.
11 dual income
12 singapore government now encourage people to go into entrepreneurship
13 even casinos these days have gone MLM.
14 even universities like Harvard, Cambridge, NUS and NTU are lecturing on network marketing
15 everything in the future is MLM
16 everything now is MLM
17 financial freedom
18 Forbes magazine, Fortune magazine
19 franchising like McDonalds'
20 global plan
21 lawyers, doctors, highly paid professionals, pilots, Mediacorp artistes all join MLM now.
22 MLM is a highly respected profession in major developed countries like US, Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan.
23 MLM is selling through by word of mouth.
24 MLM is the future
25 more and more companies doing MLM
26 move into the 21st century, and move with the trend
27 new set-up
28 new wave of marketing
29 no job security
30 no more permanent jobs, all contract jobs nowadays.
31 Now is the best time to go into MLM.
32 parables of the pipeline
33 passive income - no need to work and then money just comes in.
34 people in the comfort zone,
35 people who are lazy, losers, ignorant
36 people who are under-achievers
37 people who don't try
38 people who have no ambitions
39 people who have no self-confidence
40 proven track record
41 recession
42 refuse to change your mindset
43 residual income
44 retire early
45 Robert Kiyosaki's rich dad poor dad, Donald Trump
46 selling in XXX number of countries
47 Singaporeans afraid of failure
48 Singaporeans cannot make it
49 Singaporeans too afraid to try new things
50 Singaporeans too over-protected by Government
51 so and so quit his $50,000 per month job and join this MLM company.
52 so and so who is involved in MLM now drives Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari.
53 the world is changing
54 work at your own time, do during your free time
55 If they are cheating, they won't open so many offices, sell so many products and hire so many people.
56 If they are cheating, they would have embezzle all the money and disappear .
57 network marketing is now worth XXX billions of dollars in USA, and worth YYY billions of dollars in singapore alone and still growing.
58 network marketing now has XXX billions of ppl doing it in USA, and YYY thousands of ppl doing it in Singapore
59 No point talking to people who don't understand and cannot see the future potential of MLM lah!!
60 Our products are made by the oldest, biggest, most established, most renowned factory in Europe, USA, Japan, Australia.
61 This MLM company is audited by Ernst and Young / Deloitte and Touche / KPMG / PWC.
62 This MLM company is listed in New York, London and Hong Kong, and going to be listed in SGX also.
63 this Network marketing company is certified and approved by Lee and Lee.
64 We going to invest massively in computer, e-business and internet technologies to market our products.
65 We have just launched our new product.
66 We have the money, the credibility, the cutting edge software and a well runned system.
67 We have just opened a new office at Suntec City / Clarke Quay / Raffles Place
68 We have just opened a new branch in KL / Jakarta / Taipei / Bangkok
69 MLM is the fastest and the only way for the poor like us to be rich.
70 MLM will render all the traditional selling, advertising and marketing obsolete
71 "HOW MUCH ARE YOU EARNING???? only $XXXX???, MLMers also earn more than you!!!!"
72 "How much is a can of Coke? Do you know how much is its manufactured price? Do you feel exploited?"
73 "I have at least try to be successful, to improve my finances, what have you done to improve your finances, NOTHING?"
74 "I have explained to you everything about this company and its product, now can we go on to the compensation plans and system of each company and the differences?"
75 "I kena retrenched?, no problem, I still got my Network marketing business."
76 "If I show you the evidence that MLM can work, will you join? no? then show you also no use what!!!"
77 "If I tell you how much I make from MLM and show you the proof, will you join? no? then you ask so much for what!!!!????"
78 "its the product!!, we are talking about the PRODUCT!!"
79 "Prove to me MLM is a failure!!, why? no proof?"
80 "Tell me what you know about MLM / Pyramid selling / Robert Kiyosaki"
81 "We want to help you achieve success in life, not keen?, then you can carry on with that miserable 9-5 job of yours"
82 "When people ask you what u work as, you can tell them, I'M A BUSINESSMAN!";;
83 "You ask around with your network of friends, classmates, and relatives for better job opportunities in their companies, isn't that network marketing also?"
84 "You can be the next Bill Gates"
85 "You have a better way than Network marketing? show it to me!! don't have??!!"
86 "You have already lost your job, why not give it a try?"
87 "You have to work hard in MLM, who says no need to work hard? the money donÂ’t just flow in like that"
88 "You wanna meet up, i can show you and explain to your more about our company's plans"
89 "You wanna work till you are 70?"
90 "You want credit card?" (when it's a debit card)
91 "You want proof that Microsoft / Citibank / IBM /Coke is doing MLM? We meet up and I show you the proof"
92 "You want your income to be a straight line or an exponential curve?"
93 "You work in an MNC? MNC has CEO down to Directors down to Managers down to Executives down to you. isn't that pyramid also?"
94 "Your present full time job is very stable, so you can do this part-time, MLM can help supplement your income."
95 "All of us are doing MLM everyday. You watch a movie, tell your friends its nice, ask them go watch, isn't that network marketing?"
96 "You are so adversed to MLM because you don't understand the business.
97 "my proof of income, its documented in the MLM Act and recommended by DSAS around the world that MLMers show proof of income and company show mode, median and mean of earnings of its distributors"
98 "its against my company policy to disclose our earnings"
99 not everyone is cut out to do MLM.
100 “The boss of this Network Marketing company drives BMW and Jaguar, you want I bring you go and see his cars. You want to come? Why don’t want?”
101 “You say this is a con job, you called those people Conmen. You got evidence???? Just suka suka simply labelled them as conmen, but you got no concrete evidence!!!!”
201 You should always try to CONvince someone, when u cant convince, u try to CONfuse, if not, u try to CONtrol them with ur words. If all fails, u will CON them.
202 "Psst... u r new to this ya noe... so dun go around tell ur fren that we r mlm company... else they all scared will run away... u noe lah a few years back got some pyramid scheme company, make us mlm company lose reputation... so if u tell pple we mlm u surely cannot get anybody to join... so u tell them u have a special business opportunity for them... a new type of e-biz thing... if they still not convinced u can tell them (a certain reputable bank) is providing our e-banking services... but remember dun tell them too much cos u still new mah, so may tell them wrong info..."
203 "When somebody asks u a qns, u must answer him in the most unexpected way... for example he asks, 'Will the company collapse or not?' u dun answer him no. instead u ask him back, 'Will microsoft collapse or not?' Then he will be taken aback and u can continue on... The most important thing is to make sure u answer him in unexpected manners n keep talking so he will feel confused n gong gong... once u can get him down to our office, we will surely be able to get him to join..." -
Proof?
Nothing to fear, nothing to hide right? Who knows you might be able to pull more people into the network of slavery