Repost: Sunshine Empire
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JP's "investors" were informed the evening before the ST's news is out. A damage control strategy? and it is amazing that the "investors" sees that the news report is a good publicity! Money and greed, human greatest weakest at work.
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urm, Bills Gates and Warren Buffett are like multi billionaires...so a company having $300 million dollars assets is a proof he is better than Warren Buffett
is there a worse bullcrap than this?
and, he says he have $300 millions
usually billionaires have their assets heavilyg scrutinised and estimated by analysts and experts..so where are these people who would stand out and say his company has $300 million dollars worth of asset?
a lot of bullcrap, and his worshippers continue to believe his bullcrap while remain poor -
read the papers, nothing fantastic
i mean, the other pages full of expert analysis and one page that looks like a tabloid section, all in Money section
what a disgrace
nothing that explains why his company is not a scam or offering financial schemes
a lot of garbage, like why do we need to know that his participants call him father or that they love him?
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One of those brain washing session ... Gosh ... I attended one many many years ago .. the participant were made to pour out their greatest desire .. we are to shout out our want ..... and one of the guy shouted " ... I want to have sex with the girl I like !!!! "" there was a sudden silent which was deafening .....
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Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:One of those brain washing session ... Gosh ... I attended one many many years ago .. the participant were made to pour out their greatest desire .. we are to shout out our want ..... and one of the guy shouted " ... I want to have sex with the girl I like !!!! "" there was a sudden silent which was deafening .....
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Hmmm. The only way that they can be informed is when they know it beforehand. And anyways, from what i researched, It seems that the whole interview was given in JP's "HUGE" office, and well, I dont think the reporters can so "gum gum ho" (right timing) barge into his office and directly interview him, and from what i know, it seems like JP pre-arrange and interview with him. Well, if not, how can they get in? Lolz.Originally posted by scarborough:JP's "investors" were informed the evening before the ST's news is out. A damage control strategy? and it is amazing that the "investors" sees that the news report is a good publicity! Money and greed, human greatest weakest at work.
But to think on the other side, if the MAS could not find any evidence against SE, then it would be a good publicity, just like what i said earlier in my posts, it is either SE is a big time scam, or a big time legal MLM company.
Well, Lets see how the story carry on. Definetely a company to "look out" for. -
Haha. Chill man Laurence82, I thought you are suppose to provde a neutral analysis? You are suppose to be the master guru.Originally posted by laurence82:urm, Bills Gates and Warren Buffett are like multi billionaires...so a company having $300 million dollars assets is a proof he is better than Warren Buffett
is there a worse bullcrap than this?
and, he says he have $300 millions
usually billionaires have their assets heavilyg scrutinised and estimated by analysts and experts..so where are these people who would stand out and say his company has $300 million dollars worth of asset?
a lot of bullcrap, and his worshippers continue to believe his bullcrap while remain poor
Chill chill. I totally agree if the comparisons is between wealth. Which i don't think 300 Million is anywhere near. (haha)
But well, if wealth is compared, JP's 300 million is bullshit! However, if we look on the other hand, perhaps(big perhaps!) this JP could see something that normal people could'nt, thats why he made that BOLD statment. Well, there can only be 2 scenarios why he claim that is better than Mr W.B. 1) He is sibei TUA KANG! or 2) Maybe, he really got the 'liao' to say that.
Frankly speaking la, even if he tua kang and say he is better, even with his assets of 300 million, i think also buay pai la. How many pple out that can really dare 'tua kang' that he got such assets.
Sometimes ah, scammers and legends are only 'yi xian zhi cha'. Difference between a thin, fine line. If his projects succeed, the world will proclaim his god of entrepreneurs. If he fails, he will be also god, but god of scammers. Haha! -
Originally posted by azh86:
Wah.. mai lai la, lau master guru. LOL! Dun have to por him leh.
Haha. Chill man Laurence82, I thought you are suppose to provde a neutral analysis? You are suppose to be the master guru. Chill chill. I totally agree if the comparisons is between wealth. Which i don't think 300 Million is anywhere near. (haha)
But well, if wealth is compared, JP's 300 million is bullshit! However, if we look on the other hand, perhaps(big perhaps!) this JP could see something that normal people could'nt, thats why he made that[b] BOLD statment. Well, there can only be 2 scenarios why he claim that is better than Mr W.B. 1) He is sibei TUA KANG! or 2) Maybe, he really got the 'liao' to say that.
Frankly speaking la, even if he tua kang and say he is better, even with his assets of 300 million, i think also buay pai la. How many pple out that can really dare 'tua kang' that he got such assets.
Sometimes ah, scammers and legends are only 'yi xian zhi cha'. Difference between a thin, fine line. If his projects succeed, the world will proclaim his god of entrepreneurs. If he fails, he will be also god, but god of scammers. Haha![/b] -
Haha. wah, his course so powerful ah! can make pple say out who they want to screw. Lolz. Li hai li hai!Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:One of those brain washing session ... Gosh ... I attended one many many years ago .. the participant were made to pour out their greatest desire .. we are to shout out our want ..... and one of the guy shouted " ... I want to have sex with the girl I like !!!! "" there was a sudden silent which was deafening ..... -
It is because of pple like you who gives SE a bad impression. Can you pls be more professional with your replies? It is not about por or not. At least laurence has been in this forum for donno how many god damn yrs. Spending his time replying, couselling, analysing MLM. Soem credits la.Originally posted by emcom:Wah.. mai lai la, lau master guru. LOL! Dun have to por him leh.
And also, from what i read in the papers, it seems that JP is really a good motivational speaker and father to SE pple. Therefore, i find it hard to believe that he teaches pple to behave unprofessionally and rude when they communicate? Well, or perhaps, the rest behaves just as ok, but mayb only one in a handful behaves like a kid. Im not saying you la, but i dont believe this JP have such student. Or maybe you accidently forgot his teachings? -
SORRY !!Originally posted by azh86:Haha. wah, his course so powerful ah! can make pple say out who they want to screw. Lolz. Li hai li hai!
must clarify ... not one of his course but conducted by someone else .... ya... it damn powerful... that's why I scared and back out ... -
???????? So now you are refering the course to JP or someone else? Im confused. Lolx
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LOL... who are u to judge me? Someone can be in this forum for how many god damn yrs doesnt mean anything. If u want to say about my behaviour here direct, dun have to be such an hypocrite. U wanna look like a nice person to everyone here ar, then do it ur way. Dun expect everyone to behave like you. N dun anyhow pull in JP into the pic.Originally posted by azh86:It is because of pple like you who gives SE a bad impression. Can you pls be more professional with your replies? It is not about por or not. At least laurence has been in this forum for donno how many god damn yrs. Spending his time replying, couselling, analysing MLM. Soem credits la.
And also, from what i read in the papers, it seems that JP is really a good motivational speaker and father to SE pple. Therefore, i find it hard to believe that he teaches pple to behave unprofessionally and rude when they communicate? Well, or perhaps, the rest behaves just as ok, but mayb only one in a handful behaves like a kid. Im not saying you la, but i dont believe this JP have such student. Or maybe you accidently forgot his teachings? -
Well, who are u for me to judge? Why should I look like Im a bad person when I could be nice? To me, JP is still an ok person, though there are many bad historical records against him, to a certain extend, you must still hats off to a person who still continue what he believes in though he fail many times.Originally posted by emcom:LOL... who are u to judge me? Someone can be in this forum for how many god damn yrs doesnt mean anything. If u want to say about my behaviour here direct, dun have to be such an hypocrite. U wanna look like a nice person to everyone here ar, then do it ur way. Dun expect everyone to behave like you. N dun anyhow pull in JP into the pic.
And for you, the best way to make SE look good is to reply in a more rationalised manner using facts and logic. Thats why up till now, im still neutral for like i said(my signature) earlier in all my posts. The only thing that does'nt change is change. What JP is doing now might not be right, likewise, it might not be wrong. It could even be a revolutionary concept in this world. Get it? It is how you look it. -
I dun care u wanna be good or bad. I got nothing against u in particular, only part is, u por lau. Thats all. U dun come up all the craps with me la.Originally posted by azh86:Well, who are u for me to judge? Why should I look like Im a bad person when I could be nice? To me, JP is still an ok person, though there are many bad historical records against him, to a certain extend, you must still hats off to a person who still continue what he believes in though he fail many times.
And for you, the best way to make SE look good is to reply in a more rationalised manner using facts and logic. Thats why up till now, im still neutral for like i said(my signature) earlier in all my posts. The only thing that does'nt change is change. What JP is doing now might not be right, likewise, it might not be wrong. It could even be a revolutionary concept in this world. Get it? It is how you look it.
U want to be neutral, then you should be someone not from SE or anti SE ppl. If not I dun see how neutral u are. -
Not from SE or Anti SE = your Enemy?Originally posted by emcom:I dun care u wanna be good or bad. I got nothing against u in particular, only part is, u por lau. Thats all. U dun come up all the craps with me la.
U want to be neutral, then you should be someone not from SE or anti SE ppl. If not I dun see how neutral u are.
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Get rich quick
MALCOLM LIM used to earn over $3,000 per month when he was a teenager, by selling health products to his friends through multi-level marketing (MLM). Now in his mid-20s, he has quit the business for good because, in his words, "I don't want to be a legal conman."
Malcolm (not his real name) is among the thousands of Singaporeans who had been lured to join these schemes in the hope of getting rich quick. He made - but also lost - lots of money. Now he wants to "expose MLM's dirty tactics."
Malcolm reckons there are about 10 big MLM companies here, plus another 50 to 80 smaller firms.
Because of the recession, many people have joined these schemes - from clerks and secretaries to doctors, bankers and stock brokers.
What, exactly, is MLM?
Also called Network Marketing, it is a system of selling products - usually health supplements or beauty care products - through friends and relatives.
The emphasis is on building a large network. If you get 10 people to join, and each of them get another 10, you will have 100 people selling the products under you.
If each of the 100 recruits another 10, you will have 1,000. They are your "downlines". The commissions you earn from their sales can be substantial.
MLM companies commonly claim that a person could EASILY be earning $10,000 per month within six months.
"That's in a perfect scenario," Malcolm says. "It never happens in the real world."
They further claim that the products are sold at reasonable prices because shop rentals, advertising and other high costs have been removed.
Malcolm reveals that the typical profit margin is at least 500 to 1000 percent. The bulk of the profits go to the MLM bosses. Only about a quarter is distributed as commissions.
Pyramid selling
MLM is similar to "pyramid selling", which is banned in Singapore. But most have been modified to operate within the law and the Singapore government is now reviewing the ban, to avoid penalising companies that are legitimate.
Malcolm argues that the government should impose stricter controls instead. "Even if the companies operate legally," he says, "they cannot control what their members do."
Malcolm joined his first MLM programme when he was at the Polytechnic. "The response was fantastic," he recalls. "Young people are not interested in health products, but when you tell them they can make money, they all join.
"In three months, I had more than 1,000 downlines. I was a money-making machine for them.
"But as I rose up the ranks, I began to discover things that I did not know before. For example, the 'consultant' who made the presentation.... his big house and big cars, they are all sponsored by the MLM boss. It's a false front, to give the impression that he is successful.
"Once, I was aiming to reach the manager level. They told me I needed 8,000 points. I was doing so well that I could achieve 80,000 points. But if I did that, the extra 72,000 points would go to the person above me.
"So I slowed down my activity. Then, just before the month was up, they said there was a computer error and actually I needed 20,000 points. They use dirty tactics like this to prevent you from moving up."
Then there is a monthly maintenance. "Every month, you have to buy $200 to $300 worth of products. If you are in a higher level, you may have to buy more than $1000 worth.
"You either keep recruiting new people, or you keep buying. Otherwise, they forfeit your commissions."
Malcolm left the company and joined another. After attending more than 10 presentations, he thought he picked the best. It turned out to be even worse.
Ran away with money
"They cooked up a story that one of the shareholders had run away with the money. So they withheld about $30,000 worth of commissions and bonuses from me."
Is he sure the story was cooked up? Perhaps someone did run away with the money?
"I had friends in secret societies," he reveals. "They managed to catch this guy and he admitted that he took some money. But not all of it. About $2 million was missing, but he took only $500,000. The other shareholders must have taken the rest.
"To succeed in this business, you need to have absolutely no conscience," Malcolm says. "Do you seriously think they sell health products on the concept of health? Everytime I tell my customers how good the product is, my conscience keeps telling me what an asshole I am.
"I decided to quit. When my children go to school, I don't want their friends to say, 'Wah... your father is a legal conman!"
Published version in TODAY
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Courtesy from http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1682264&page=23&pp=15 -
M E M O R A N D U M
To : All Merchants / Staffs From : Mr Jackie Hoo. Asia Pacific President Date : 24 October 2007 Re : PresidentÂ’s Message
Dear Our Valued Merchants, I am sure that you would all have read the Articles in todayÂ’s English Straits Times. No doubt also that many of you will also have heard many fearful things being said about our Company. Let me encourage you all by focusing your mind on these points:
1. It is a positive thing that the ST has presented a write up on Mr James Phang and the EGA conglomerate.
A.It is positive or negative , i think JP & JH know the best ....
2. It is a positive thing that it is clear from the page 26 article that EGA does not own or have any part in Sunshine Empire (this means that the Group activities and companies are not affected by the Sunshine Empire activities).
B.Rubbish , sunshine is EGA , they are all under JP control . but all the group of company does not register under JP .
3. On the other hand, it is also a positive thing that by reference, Sunshine Empire is seen to be associated with a larger and substantial conglomerate, with an experienced mentor and advisor in Mr James Phang.
C.Meaning of Conglomerate .. refer to topic under pierre2084
4. It is a positive thing that the public awareness is drawn to Sunshine Empire by the ST – this is free publicity. Now everyone will want to know what is this Company? – This is the best time to sell to them that Sunshine Empire is a responsible company and that the business model works!
D.Rubbish again , there no free publicity in the world , and yr business model work only when people invest . See how long yr investment can last.
5. It is a positive thing that the ST did not call Sunshine Empire a scam, or say it is illegal – it merely said that the public should “take care” and that the “business model looks like a pure financial investment scheme”.
E.Isnt it obvious when ST say ( TAKE CARE )
6. Over all, the ST article presents an opportunity and a platform for both EGA and Sunshine Empire to engage the public and educate them about the activities of the group and Sunshine Empire.
F.ST got say that meh ? or u say one . JH wake up yr idea.
Sunshine Empire Merchants we have taken a lot of efforts together to build up the business and the Company name. Let us not allow rumors and misunderstanding to undermine all our efforts. You shall also be seeing my official press response in the newspapers. I am working with the management team to engage with the MAS and the authorities to clear up any misunderstanding they may have and to have Sunshine Empire recognized as the responsible company and cutting edge business opportunity. Meanwhile, I call on all Merchants who believe in our business model, whose lives have been transformed by participating in Sunshine Empire to come forward and share your testimonial to encourage everybody! Together we shall bring our Company to new and greater strength! Yours Sincerely, For Sunshine Empire Holdings Jackie Hoo President
G.Rubbish again , JP & JH group of scammers really taken alot of efforts together to build up the $$ business and the Company name.
Conclusion - Pls dont get involve with them anymore .
JP & JH group of scammers what a nice move u all taken last week , bulletproofing all yr merchants about the news paper .
There are more news regarding EGA coming soon ...
God bless JP & JH group of scammers .. -
Another brainwashing tactic.
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Notice the pattern, where instead of answering to the point, their main ruse is to confuse and bamboozle
this chap claims his company is worth $300 million USD, for assets of such scale, why there isnt a single decent write-up on him which could speculate, if not analyse, the worth of his company anywhere?
why would i want to know his participants call him dad or mum or whatever?
i could go on, but when i read the newspapers, this chap must be on drugs or something when he did that interview -
Originally posted by azh86:
my response to you, sir, is simple
Haha. Chill man Laurence82, I thought you are suppose to provde a neutral analysis? You are suppose to be the master guru. Chill chill. I totally agree if the comparisons is between wealth. Which i don't think 300 Million is anywhere near. (haha)
But well, if wealth is compared, JP's 300 million is bullshit! However, if we look on the other hand, perhaps(big perhaps!) this JP could see something that normal people could'nt, thats why he made that[b] BOLD statment. Well, there can only be 2 scenarios why he claim that is better than Mr W.B. 1) He is sibei TUA KANG! or 2) Maybe, he really got the 'liao' to say that.
Frankly speaking la, even if he tua kang and say he is better, even with his assets of 300 million, i think also buay pai la. How many pple out that can really dare 'tua kang' that he got such assets.
Sometimes ah, scammers and legends are only 'yi xian zhi cha'. Difference between a thin, fine line. If his projects succeed, the world will proclaim his god of entrepreneurs. If he fails, he will be also god, but god of scammers. Haha![/b]
why should i be neutral? do u mean to say objective?
and for your second point, fair enough...but you used the word 'perhaps'..and for past four years, there was never anything concrete from these people, not even the least bit of proof of income or whatever....so....'perhaps'..have been overly used
lastly, i am not in the wee bit interested in who he will become, god of scammers or god of whatever, without addressing the issues, he could be God of Geylang Lorong 20 for all i care -
So Lau.. When will sunshine fall? Give it 3 months? half a year? if it's still running strong by march next year, just shut your trap and admit you have been wrong.
or continue saying its gonna fall in a few months. you say jp going to fall in a few months since 2003 i think..
Only time will tell. So what if its on the tabloids.
Let time tell, and if sunshine really falls, congrats, you can have a party somewhere with your fellow forumers.
If half a year one year later still haven't fall, i will still be here reading your posts like "Where is your proof, please paste your ic, address and income tax statement and your photo here, and even every dollar bill serial no. so we can PROooOOoOF"
haha,
Let time tell
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As I said, nothing to fear, nothing to hideOriginally posted by christopher_rf:So Lau.. When will sunshine fall? Give it 3 months? half a year? if it's still running strong by march next year, just shut your trap and admit you have been wrong.
or continue saying its gonna fall in a few months. you say jp going to fall in a few months since 2003 i think..
Only time will tell. So what if its on the tabloids.
Let time tell, and if sunshine really falls, congrats, you can have a party somewhere with your fellow forumers.
If half a year one year later still haven't fall, i will still be here reading your posts like "Where is your proof, please paste your ic, address and income tax statement and your photo here, and even every dollar bill serial no. so we can PROooOOoOF"
haha,
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Seems people would use 1001 excuses just to avoid issues huh?Originally posted by redstone:As I said, nothing to fear, nothing to hide -
Eh laurence, u everyday nth better to do? lol sibe kp le u! Majiam auntie bargaining prices of bananas in market knn. Sunshine offended u ah? Jus diam diam can?