Avita
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TO All those who want to know whether the Bel air is the same as Avita.
The fact is: IT IS TRUE
My bloody friend tell me whether i am interested to join her in Avita. She (a clue already) tell me that the company (AAA) [NOT ONLY FGN!] is moving their business from Bel Air to Avita. She say in Avita, they are going to sell a whole range of products beside aromatherapy product only.
(this show that they are increasing their conning from aromatherapy to other area such as cleaning products, household products. therefore Bel Air is going to be re-package in Avita with more products to con the consumer, they are trying to sell a lifestyle to the public, not only aromatherapy product like sunrider and other MLM! MORE AUNTY WILL BE IN THIS SH*T)
And it is true, bel air is not in the national day parade but Avita is. AVITA IS THE NEW BEL AIR. They just re-package themselves to escape from all the negative effect or publicilty from BEL AIR in to this company.
And what is the best part?, that B1TCH tell everyone in her class about her new company and almost everyone is interested in joining her company.
She also say that you no need to work as hard as you were in BEL AIR. just come once or twice a week and YOUR PARTNER WILL CONTINUE IT FOR YOU.
i seriously hope that friend of mine burn in hell.
After hearing this, i hope everyone will be on your guard when you hear about AVITA. I don't want anyone to be HUGE DEBT cause of this business model. -
Are you sure about this?Originally posted by RachelX:You ppl can return goods back to the company no matter how long you have join the company. If company dont except, can sue them. In singapore mlm law, no matter how long you join, you can still return goods.Before returning goods, you can go to CASE web page to print out mlm laws. There are alredy many ppl whose stocks are more than 1 years, still can return goods. Of course you can only get back 30% return of the value of the goods.
For ppl who are in Avita, go return your goods as soon as possible before its too late. Don't think that you can earn $$$ in Avita. Quit Avita as soon as possible. PPL doing Avita are mostly in debt. Get out of AVita & Bel'Air, you can slowly get out of debt.
I was told by their lawyers that no refund if pass the given 90days whether you know about it or not.
CASE basically said that they only handle consumers and not distributors like us who has cut Count.
So we got nowhere to turn to...
I just have to give up my goods to AAA as I have no space/transport to store all the useless goods
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For the last resort, I think it much more easiler for you to earn $$$ thru other means. Their lawyers always side them. Unless you have your own lawyer, that will be expensive. Earning thru higher salary or invest in funds can also help you recoup your losses in less than 2 years. Even you return goods, you can only get not more than $4k per count plate. Even do part-time, you can easily earn that small amount of $$$.Originally posted by crestfallen:Are you sure about this?
I was told by their lawyers that no refund if pass the given 90days whether you know about it or not.
CASE basically said that they only handle consumers and not distributors like us who has cut Count.
So we got nowhere to turn to...
I just have to give up my goods to AAA as I have no space/transport to store all the useless goods
For ppl who cut count less than 90 days, its better to return goods for refund.
Do anyone think that such crap goods sold by Avita or Bel'air has any demand in market. Alternatives of Essential oil & cleaning agent of much higher quality & cheaper price are many times better. Do you think still easy to cheat ppl into such scam? -
[quote]Originally posted by MrBrown_wannabe:
[b]TO All those who want to know whether the Bel air is the same as Avita.
The fact is: IT IS TRUE
My bloody friend tell me whether i am interested to join her in Avita. She (a clue already) tell me that the company (AAA) [NOT ONLY FGN!] is moving their business from Bel Air to Avita. She say in Avita, they are going to sell a whole range of products beside aromatherapy product only.
(this show that they are increasing their conning from aromatherapy to other area such as cleaning products, household products. therefore Bel Air is going to be re-package in Avita with more products to con the consumer, they are trying to sell a lifestyle to the public, not only aromatherapy product like sunrider and other MLM! MORE AUNTY WILL BE IN THIS SH*T)
And it is true, bel air is not in the national day parade but Avita is. AVITA IS THE NEW BEL AIR. They just re-package themselves to escape from all the negative effect or publicilty from BEL AIR in to this company.
And what is the best part?, that B1TCH tell everyone in her class about her new company and almost everyone is interested in joining her company.
She also say that you no need to work as hard as you were in BEL AIR. just come once or twice a week and YOUR PARTNER WILL CONTINUE IT FOR YOU.
One way to stop her for recruiting ppl is to advise her to read our forum. If she reads, she could be save & will not pull others into the scam. You can also advise your other classmate to read this forum too. You can also email link of this forum to your classmates & your avita friend. -
The way they operate doesn't sound like there will be any aunties in the network, but plenty of young students who borrow money from all over the place to chase their dreams. Doesn't this sound very strangely familiar to many of the regulars here or the Bel Air thread??Originally posted by MrBrown_wannabe:TO All those who want to know whether the Bel air is the same as Avita.
The fact is: IT IS TRUE
My bloody friend tell me whether i am interested to join her in Avita. She (a clue already) tell me that the company (AAA) [NOT ONLY FGN!] is moving their business from Bel Air to Avita. She say in Avita, they are going to sell a whole range of products beside aromatherapy product only.
(this show that they are increasing their conning from aromatherapy to other area such as cleaning products, household products. therefore Bel Air is going to be re-package in Avita with more products to con the consumer, they are trying to sell a lifestyle to the public, not only aromatherapy product like sunrider and other MLM! MORE AUNTY WILL BE IN THIS SH*T)
And it is true, bel air is not in the national day parade but Avita is. AVITA IS THE NEW BEL AIR. They just re-package themselves to escape from all the negative effect or publicilty from BEL AIR in to this company.
And what is the best part?, that B1TCH tell everyone in her class about her new company and almost everyone is interested in joining her company.
She also say that you no need to work as hard as you were in BEL AIR. just come once or twice a week and YOUR PARTNER WILL CONTINUE IT FOR YOU.
i seriously hope that friend of mine burn in hell.
After hearing this, i hope everyone will be on your guard when you hear about AVITA. I don't want anyone to be HUGE DEBT cause of this business model.
From what you described, your friend is being mislead into the dark side, definitely not the right way to do the business. If anyone tell you MLM business is so easy to earn quick bucks, better stay away from those people.
If she is really a good friend of yours, you should do her a big favour. If she is in debt, convince her to get out quickly. She definitely can refund, because Avita is less than 90 days old technically. There's no need to curse your friend, think about how you can help her!
If you go dig around for more information and get a more complete picture, Avita is certainly NOT Bel Air. However, if those people continue to operate in the same mode as they did in Bel Air and get really successful at it, Avita might end up in the same sorry state as Bel Air. -
excuse me, please don be stupid.. rules of mlm is within 3 months / 90days u can return the goods, please don anyhow spoil the market rate lar... no matter how long still can return the goods. (stupid enough)
come on, can only get back 30% u still ask your friend to go and return the good, u are such a good friend to let your friend loss more money. do u know 30% is very little? beside of returning the goods, please find some way to sell it away is better than returning the goods lar...
knowing from my friend, avita's product is much cheaper than belair, if u don wan to do this business, then fine, stay away from this topic, is not right to asking ppl to quit when ppl already put in effort n time to do this business. are u really so free to come here n give so much comment when u are not doing this business? if not den stay away from this topic. same to all of u which keep telling ppl tat belair is same as avita, don't join all this shit words! -
Network marketing is pyramid scam, not a biz! All mlmer have the right to return goods to quit mlm. Who you think the %**k %*u are to discourage ppl from returning goods. Many victims thought returning goods made them lost more $$$, but in the end some of them can't even get back a sinle cent by not returning goods. I think you shuld be the one staying away from this topic!!!Originally posted by stupid idea:excuse me, please don be stupid.. rules of mlm is within 3 months / 90days u can return the goods, please don anyhow spoil the market rate lar... no matter how long still can return the goods. (stupid enough)
come on, can only get back 30% u still ask your friend to go and return the good, u are such a good friend to let your friend loss more money. do u know 30% is very little? beside of returning the goods, please find some way to sell it away is better than returning the goods lar...
knowing from my friend, avita's product is much cheaper than belair, if u don wan to do this business, then fine, stay away from this topic, is not right to asking ppl to quit when ppl already put in effort n time to do this business. are u really so free to come here n give so much comment when u are not doing this business? if not den stay away from this topic. same to all of u which keep telling ppl tat belair is same as avita, don't join all this shit words!
So you are so free to come here to defend Avita? Don't your upline ask you not to come here? Should I discipline you for your upline? If you have no courge to find job outside or start a real biz, then don come here to pollute sgforums with your pro-mlm shit words!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same for all mlmers!!!!!!
Return goods before 3 mths, you can get 30% from company, the rest from you uplines. Total around 90%. If any upline tell you all the shit that you get very little by returning goods, that bullshit. They are either too afraid to pay you when you return goods, or they dont have the $$$ to pay you back. Only if you return after 3 mths, you can get only 30% . It is not right to make ppl lost $$$ by calling them not to return goods!!!!!!
Even can't return goods, can still sell your Avita products online instead of recruiting victims into Avita. It is much easlier selling online than recruiting ppl as doing recruitment is doing pyramid scam which whole singapore is aware of it. Anyone you can find is already super resistance to pyramid scam. The most improfessional thing for mlmer is to claim that network marketing is different from pyramid scam!
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Avita:
Lately Avita's Falcon Global Network (FGN).... maybe change name liao. is using the name of National Library Branch to lure people to their CASHFLOW WORKSHOP.
Be careful of people claiming that the are from entreprenuer club... they are in fact mlmer trying to find people... -
Marques george Lim & Marques Xiong Yu Ting left FGN. Heard that Marques Wei Xiang wanted to leave the network but being force to stay.
If MLM is so good, why still ppl who succeed in the biz left?
The truth is Bel'Air & Avita is not a decent biz which providing sufficient income.
You can count numbers of "successful" ppl leaving the biz. PPl leave the so call "biz" is not they failed in the biz. They leave because they have the courage to step out mlm to earn decent living! Not to hide away from reality of the society.---- not like some ppl(losers) hiding themselves in MLM .
( Only ppl with courage to face competition in the working society Or real biz world with succeed).
Most of us leaving Bel'air or Avita as realising the "biz" could harm many others just for the benefit of expand the network. For ppl who still want to continue the "biz",think twice.
Having a big network does not mean earning money. Look at Marques Balwin Tan. He left the network when have a number of downlines yet in debt due to buying his RX8. Look cool, think twice!
Ong kai Yang who had a network of around 20 downlines only left fewer than 3 downines. What a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The person most being look down in human history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TypicalOriginally posted by RachelX:Same old trick, know more than using cashflow workshop. No creativity, No new idea, still claim to be entreprenuer. What a shame! -
Dooms day getting around the corner for MLM & Pyramid Scheme.Originally posted by redstone:Typical
Following news against MLM, pls read:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/311286/1/.html
MLMers, if you don't want to go behide bars, pls quit! Now Sunshine Empire is under prode, Avita & Bel'Air will be next -
Ong kai Yang who had a network of around 20 downlines only left fewer than 3 downines. What a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The person most being look down in human history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HaHa!!! True True...
Think Kai Yang big head but no brain..... Same like Ronald and Don mah big stomach but definately no brain.... still using the old tactic to lure people in...
HOPE CAD will look into Avita and Bel'Air and close the 2 stupid companies down.... -
Bel'air & Avita are not in member list of DSAS. It means they are Pyramid scam. CAD , pls arrest them. They do not do selling, but pure recruitment with compulsary purchase of goods. .......Originally posted by redstone:Typical -
Xueying, you talk so righteously about people conning money and being dishonest. You point your fingers at the people who 'supposedly' con you into the business, con you into investing more money.Originally posted by RachelX:Bel'air & Avita are not in member list of DSAS. It means they are Pyramid scam. CAD , pls arrest them. They do not do selling, but pure recruitment with compulsary purchase of goods. .......
Guess you have forgotten how all this started, with you crying and begging to be a part of it, begging for a chance to join?
No one recruited you with lies. No one forced you to join.
If you can say so many bad things about the others, maybe you should own up about yourself.
Why don't you tell the other people in the forums, about your affair with John? That you lied about breaking up with your bf? That you lied you broke up with your bf, claiming its because u wanted to be sooo focused about the business?
And then, initiating an affair with your former upline John to get favoured. tp get ahead in the business?
And how about the money that disappeared from behind the storearea, strangely coincidental too that John was the last person in there just before the money went missing.
How about you conning those poor young boys into cutting counts under you? When those 'evil people' in the business advised against it, how you were so insistent that they join u? They were barely 18, Xueying.
And certainly, no one asked you to cut 1 + 5.
Lying that you had good legal means to raise the money. You and John, such fine liars. John has a "good friend" at church to loan him, your father has "good friends" to loan you. Lying through your teeth about the source of the money so that no one will stop you from cutting 1 + 5. Because you wanted to earn that money, you wanted to earn that money off the poor kids you pulled off Mac's.
When these "good friends" are actually loan sharks.
Bringing all those fake friends and asking your uplines to cut them for you so you can make money out of them.
Your own greed did yourself in.
You were really the greatest pretender of all. Why don't you share on the forum as well, the lies you told about your mother to win people's sympathy? How you said she almost threw you out of the house, how she is so critically ill and hospitalised? The stories you could tell, you should really be an actor, you know.
If a person can lie about their family, what else can she not lie about? Really, to use your family to win sympathy and trust, there really must be nothing else you won't do to get what you want.
Xueying, you can lie all you want, you can keep wasting your life away on this bulletin board.
You can pretend that it's all other people's faults.
You can pretend that you were scammed and spending your lifetime cursing others.
But it doesn't really matter anyway because there is one person you will never be able to lie to.
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It's one thing to have committed a wrong once and right your ways by helping and warning others.
It's another thing to have committed a wrong and still be sinning up till now! -
+1Originally posted by SolidSnake:It's one thing to have committed a wrong once and right your ways by helping and warning others.
It's another thing to have committed a wrong and still be sinning up till now!
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I think that the ways of surviving in the Bel'Air biz back then most likely the same now in Avita.
All the dukes back then after coming back from Taiwan and crazy about going up to Arch Duke. They started to force their downlines to move faster to the next level. If those who don't follow, the will be out casted by their dukes.
The thinking of the dukes cause everyone in biz to think of low down ways to survive. When all of us got into the biz, we were thinking of how to recoup the initial amount back and also thinking of helping people. Then in turn out the dukes are cheating everyone.
That period was when everybody is desperate to do something for themselve.
Coming up here is to shared if all what the uplines were doing. Sometimes, when we start to post here, we really get pissed off by the actions of the dukes. How they try to get rid of those people who they think are harming their network.
To all the Dukes or now DP!!! It is yourself, your low down thinkings and your lack of capabilities that caused everythings. -
Potcallingthekettleblack(Ong kai Yang), you are the biggest liar in human history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Originally posted by potcallingthekettleblack:Xueying, you talk so righteously about people conning money and being dishonest. You point your fingers at the people who 'supposedly' con you into the business, con you into investing more money.
Guess you have forgotten how all this started, with you crying and begging to be a part of it, begging for a chance to join?
No one recruited you with lies. No one forced you to join.
If you can say so many bad things about the others, maybe you should own up about yourself.
Why don't you tell the other people in the forums, about your affair with John? That you lied about breaking up with your bf? That you lied you broke up with your bf, claiming its because u wanted to be sooo focused about the business?
And then, initiating an affair with your former upline John to get favoured. tp get ahead in the business?
And how about the money that disappeared from behind the storearea, strangely coincidental too that John was the last person in there just before the money went missing.
How about you conning those poor young boys into cutting counts under you? When those 'evil people' in the business advised against it, how you were so insistent that they join u? They were barely 18, Xueying.
And certainly, no one asked you to cut 1 + 5.
Lying that you had good legal means to raise the money. You and John, such fine liars. John has a "good friend" at church to loan him, your father has "good friends" to loan you. Lying through your teeth about the source of the money so that no one will stop you from cutting 1 + 5. Because you wanted to earn that money, you wanted to earn that money off the poor kids you pulled off Mac's.
When these "good friends" are actually loan sharks.
Bringing all those fake friends and asking your uplines to cut them for you so you can make money out of them.
Your own greed did yourself in.
You were really the greatest pretender of all. Why don't you share on the forum as well, the lies you told about your mother to win people's sympathy? How you said she almost threw you out of the house, how she is so critically ill and hospitalised? The stories you could tell, you should really be an actor, you know.
If a person can lie about their family, what else can she not lie about? Really, to use your family to win sympathy and trust, there really must be nothing else you won't do to get what you want.
Xueying, you can lie all you want, you can keep wasting your life away on this bulletin board.
You can pretend that it's all other people's faults.
You can pretend that you were scammed and spending your lifetime cursing others.
But it doesn't really matter anyway because there is one person you will never be able to lie to.
Yourself.
Not only you have not turn a new leaf, but even lied & push all the blame on a little girl.
Claimimg that Xueying cry & beg for chance to enter is too ridiculous. No one ever cry & beg for chance to be con. She may be willing to fork first, $13k to invest. But she was force by you ppl to cut 1+5 cos if she don't cut 1+5, you ppl will cut off upline leverage from her. You ppl also uses same tactics on other downlines. This is True!!!!!!!!!
Pushing blame on Xue Ying on conning young boys, why don't you admit yourself conning Xue Ying who was also too young to join the "biz"?She was also barely 18 when you ppl con her in. Not her fault. Most ppl only knew ppl of their age.
Where got ppl lied to spend such lump sum (by loaning from loan shark) to invest in a pyramid scam. Your first sin is forcing Xueying to loan from loanshark, so as if she invest, you can earn the commission. Second sin was to bully & frame a harmless girl for lying about the loan she borrowed. She was not the only victim being force to cut 1+5. In fact, most of your challenging marques were being force to cut 1+5.
win people's sympathy? Is this what all uplines are doing when they lied & con ppl into their "biz"? All ppl in FGN are taught to create sympathy and lying by their uplines, who is to blame?
Upline dukes & Ong kai Yang, you can lie whatever you want. You can even frame your scapegoats like XueYing & John, but you still get nowhere. You are just trying to wash your dirty hands after all you evil doing.
Ong Kai Yang & upline Dukes, you ppl can frame & lie whatever you want, but can't lie to yourself!!! "Big" men bullying harmless girl is totally an extreme shame !!! Shame on you!!!!
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True, those ppl who still want to do such "biz" think twice!!!!Originally posted by RachelX:Marques george Lim & Marques Xiong Yu Ting left FGN. Heard that Marques Wei Xiang wanted to leave the network but being force to stay.
If MLM is so good, why still ppl who succeed in the biz left?
The truth is Bel'Air & Avita is not a decent biz which providing sufficient income.
You can count numbers of "successful" ppl leaving the biz. PPl leave the so call "biz" is not they failed in the biz. They leave because they have the courage to step out mlm to earn decent living! Not to hide away from reality of the society.---- not like some ppl(losers) hiding themselves in MLM .
( Only ppl with courage to face competition in the working society Or real biz world with succeed).
Most of us leaving Bel'air or Avita as realising the "biz" could harm many others just for the benefit of expand the network. For ppl who still want to continue the "biz",think twice.
Having a big network does not mean earning money. Look at Marques Balwin Tan. He left the network when have a number of downlines yet in debt due to buying his RX8. Look cool, think twice!
Ong kai Yang who had a network of around 20 downlines only left fewer than 3 downines. What a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The person most being look down in human history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Our motive here is not to sin but to prevent more victims from suffering!!!Originally posted by 666 SaTaN:Ommm! at here myanmar, only reason is u can get money first, they said..
and now all of us are going to deeply debt.. 
i need to know that for cutting count is $12000 and calculate for commision is calculate by $12000 or pv12000 or pv 9000.... 
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Ong Kai Yang is it the one the girl friend is Chai Blah Blah?Originally posted by warrior21:Our motive here is not to sin but to prevent more victims from suffering!!! -
Potcallingthekettleblack is Ong kai Yang!!! WOW finally they dare to show face in this forum.....Originally posted by warrior21:Potcallingthekettleblack(Ong kai Yang), you are the biggest liar in human history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only you have not turn a new leaf, but even lied & push all the blame on a little girl.
Claimimg that Xueying cry & beg for chance to enter is too ridiculous. No one ever cry & beg for chance to be con. She may be willing to fork first, $13k to invest. But she was force by you ppl to cut 1+5 cos if she don't cut 1+5, you ppl will cut off upline leverage from her. You ppl also uses same tactics on other downlines. This is True!!!!!!!!!
Pushing blame on Xue Ying on conning young boys, why don't you admit yourself conning Xue Ying who was also too young to join the "biz"?She was also barely 18 when you ppl con her in. Not her fault. Most ppl only knew ppl of their age.
Where got ppl lied to spend such lump sum (by loaning from loan shark) to invest in a pyramid scam. Your first sin is forcing Xueying to loan from loanshark, so as if she invest, you can earn the commission. Second sin was to bully & frame a harmless girl for lying about the loan she borrowed. She was not the only victim being force to cut 1+5. In fact, most of your challenging marques were being force to cut 1+5.
win people's sympathy? Is this what all uplines are doing when they lied & con ppl into their "biz"? All ppl in FGN are taught to create sympathy and lying by their uplines, who is to blame?
Upline dukes & Ong kai Yang, you can lie whatever you want. You can even frame your scapegoats like XueYing & John, but you still get nowhere. You are just trying to wash your dirty hands after all you evil doing.
Ong Kai Yang & upline Dukes, you ppl can frame & lie whatever you want, but can't lie to yourself!!! "Big" men bullying harmless girl is totally an extreme shame !!! Shame on you!!!!
Do any gentleman attack back when been attack by a little girl???
Anyway this Ong kai Yang is really pathetic man. Stupid people than listen to Ronald and Don Lim.... -
So funny rite! haha !
joined belair since yr 2003.
after 1 yr of struggling i climb up to marquis and over the years till yr 2006 i have a big network with a few marquis.
I am the Jiang wor!hahahaha...
And yes i cut a lot of direct counts . there are my sch friends , uni friends , army friends, collegaue and even FAMILY!
And you are bloody correct 99% of them are in HUGE debts.
In everyone eyes, pple who are marquis and above are bloody suckers,villains.or what ever bad names you can gave us.
MArquis and above are Liars ,MARQUIS AND ABOVE ARE BAD!
Are they really bad? *Shiver* why shiver cos i will give a answer that i will kana flame
Believe it or not, some marquis are really suckers. I ADMIT.
How abt those that not in my some category?
Oh yes u guys are right abt one point. Most Marquis are in debt too.
I am one of them. COOL!
Wish a heart to help my downlines. I quitted my job to give my full commitment. I pay nearly a few k for those huobans who cant afford for their lessons.
YES i have no money in my bank but i still borrow ard to help them pay.
Oh not mentioning i got 4 direct counts who i never collect their franchise money.
They offer to pay but i tell them dun need. Marquis then pay
In yr 2006 i left belair. Left cos i got no reasons to stay anymore. Huobans only left 1 or 2 .
Finally i can leave I feel terrible. A team i spend years to build but gone overnight.
People start blaming each other.
Pple in belair blame outside. Exhuoban blame inside pple. whahhaha .
Are belairians all devils? Are Ex huobans all Angels.?
U answer yourself.
Oh finally why i mention "SO funny"?
Cos it been more than a year. People still cannot let go........
Live and forget..
Learn to let go....
Why there is still so much hatred?
Alot of marquis are NICE People. They dun feel sad?they are for u to scold?jus that they are 'lucky' to be marquis they are bad people?
ok ok enuff of my rubbish.
welcome to flame me. cos i was once a marquis LOL
My point.
Two words. LET GO
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Firstly, I am not Ong.Originally posted by warrior21:Potcallingthekettleblack(Ong kai Yang), you are the biggest liar in human history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only you have not turn a new leaf, but even lied & push all the blame on a little girl.
Claimimg that Xueying cry & beg for chance to enter is too ridiculous. No one ever cry & beg for chance to be con. She may be willing to fork first, $13k to invest. But she was force by you ppl to cut 1+5 cos if she don't cut 1+5, you ppl will cut off upline leverage from her. You ppl also uses same tactics on other downlines. This is True!!!!!!!!!
Pushing blame on Xue Ying on conning young boys, why don't you admit yourself conning Xue Ying who was also too young to join the "biz"?She was also barely 18 when you ppl con her in. Not her fault. Most ppl only knew ppl of their age.
Where got ppl lied to spend such lump sum (by loaning from loan shark) to invest in a pyramid scam. Your first sin is forcing Xueying to loan from loanshark, so as if she invest, you can earn the commission. Second sin was to bully & frame a harmless girl for lying about the loan she borrowed. She was not the only victim being force to cut 1+5. In fact, most of your challenging marques were being force to cut 1+5.
win people's sympathy? Is this what all uplines are doing when they lied & con ppl into their "biz"? All ppl in FGN are taught to create sympathy and lying by their uplines, who is to blame?
Upline dukes & Ong kai Yang, you can lie whatever you want. You can even frame your scapegoats like XueYing & John, but you still get nowhere. You are just trying to wash your dirty hands after all you evil doing.
Ong Kai Yang & upline Dukes, you ppl can frame & lie whatever you want, but can't lie to yourself!!! "Big" men bullying harmless girl is totally an extreme shame !!! Shame on you!!!!
Do any gentleman attack back when been attack by a little girl???
Secondly, Xueying is not 18. She is already 25, and probably a whole lot street smart than you lot seeing that you do not even know your facts correctly before posting, and yet willingly jump to her defense blindly.
Everyone has their own will, everyone has their own mind. Claiming that others "forced" you to do something is just an easy way out for the mistakes made. A 5-yr old may used the word "force", but a 25 yr old? Besides, you are not her. How do you know she was forced?
Apparently, you are just a loyal friend of hers who has also been taken in by her sweet words. Your defense of her obviously comes from a one-sided story which probably came from her.
Thirdly, I am not in this business, before you jump to conclusions, please note that my remarks are not intended to speak good of that business. Instead, it is simply intended to unveil the mask of the SGForumer RachelX, who has continued to beguile even those here.
Fourth, now that my intention is served, this will be my last post. Believe what you will, advice usually falls on deaf ears anyway.
Lastly, I am a friend who is here to offer a 2nd opinion - You may think you can trust those who have left the business because you have all made losses $$$. Think again. Anger and vengeance are powerful tools that people use to serve their own agendas.
Don't be foolish enough to allow that anger to take control of you, and let yourself be blindly manipulated by others like pawns, to serve their own plans.
Good luck to all and good bye. -
Potcallingthekettleblack, Knowing you are loyal friend of some uplines of FGN, do you know you are actually being manipulated.Originally posted by potcallingthekettleblack:Firstly, I am not Ong.
Secondly, Xueying is not 18. She is already 25, and probably a whole lot street smart than you lot seeing that you do not even know your facts correctly before posting, and yet willingly jump to her defense blindly.
Everyone has their own will, everyone has their own mind. Claiming that others "forced" you to do something is just an easy way out for the mistakes made. A 5-yr old may used the word "force", but a 25 yr old? Besides, you are not her. How do you know she was forced?
Apparently, you are just a loyal friend of hers who has also been taken in by her sweet words. Your defense of her obviously comes from a one-sided story which probably came from her.
Thirdly, I am not in this business, before you jump to conclusions, please note that my remarks are not intended to speak good of that business. Instead, it is simply intended to unveil the mask of the SGForumer RachelX, who has continued to beguile even those here.
Fourth, now that my intention is served, this will be my last post. Believe what you will, advice usually falls on deaf ears anyway.
Lastly, I am a friend who is here to offer a 2nd opinion - You may think you can trust those who have left the business because you have all made losses $$$. Think again. Anger and vengeance are powerful tools that people use to serve their own agendas.
Don't be foolish enough to allow that anger to take control of you, and let yourself be blindly manipulated by others like pawns, to serve their own plans.
Good luck to all and good bye.
Firstly, when many join in as a count , it was their own will. But there was a time when uplines tried to help their c.dukes to go up to dukes, all unethical means were used. Many of us experience our uplines pressuring us from cutting 1+5. XueYing was not the only one. Methods such as threaten to cut of leveraging were used. If is not true, do you think we are so irrespossible to bad mouth our own uplines.
Secondly,you are just a loyal friend of those uplines who has also been taken in by their words. Do you know unethical methods used on our side line actually leak out aciddentially to their own down lines thru their own mouth.
Those uplines don't even notice themselves being eavedropped by sidelines during their private meeting. When uplines felt finacially pressured, they accidentially shown signs of financial difficultly.
If you are not in the business, how you know that ppl are not force to cut 1+5. Don't be used by anyone easily by taken in by upline's one-side story.
You need to hear from us too.
Thirdly, by coming to this forums, we are preventing victims from suffering what many has gone thru before. I don't blame you as you are the type of person easily taken in by other ppl's words. We over heard many things even from our uplines accidentially, that why we know the true story.
To uplines such as Ong Kai Yang, WenHui & Don Lim, do you know how much secrets leak from your own mouth? That was how careless you are!
Lastly, thinking that all of us here aims to vent anger or cry failures in mlm is a wrong mindset. None of us mourn , but taking the courage to face compettion in both working society & biz world. Most of us here reveal the truth of the biz , stopping more victims from victimise by such scams. Reason of us to quit is not due to failure in the "biz" but due to self-conscious. Potcallingthekettleblack, since you metion that your last post , don't let us see you again!!!