bring this list along when you are invited for MLM talks.
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that's the basic excuse to catch up with old times. really interesting
and about the grand daddy instructor? well, I think as biz ideas goes... if it's a good analogy or example, then it's sure to catch on with other MLM-ers, even if it's from a different company.
Since it's all about passive income and what not right? So everyone use a certain fix set of sure win ideas to use on noobs who don't have an inkling what MLM or network marketing is all about.
I'll also like to point out, as a form of biz... i see nothing wrong in it. As long as the 'company' can supply me the product once i order it... then it should be ok.
However, due to the extensive use of personal 'network' and human relations involved... that's where people draw the time and say MLM is not for me. Well, I'm not a supporter of MLM's so i guess i can say that in our society... we're a long way in accpeting MLM as a way of doing biz
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i got some more
1. when asked for a simple tax notification statement to prove their income which they keep boasting about, here are some of the dumbest replies..i wonder if there are awards for dumb answers such as these, just like Darwin awards for stupid acts
a) who dare to post their personal details online/show people their personal details?
(you mean after all the boasting about BMW and five figure sum, you refuse to prove it?)
b) my sales department input the figure to IT administrators and upload the figures on the website, therefore my sales dept is 'third party' and my income figures 'verified'
(next time schools should mark their own O level papers, i wonder how many schools will auto get into Band 1)
c) i earned XXXXX amount of money, buying BMW 5 series......(later)...why should i prove it to you?
(talk about people who have no clue about duty to provide proof when required)
d) why dont you post your income statement online then?
(dumb to ask non MLMers to prove their income, since when they boast about it or have interest marketing any scheme anyway?)
e) why must use tax income statement?
(everyone knows CPF, tax notice etc are third party authenticated documents and free available, if you pay CPF or tax, they are recommended and commonly used)
f) last but not least, some got cheek to hint that they are evading taxes -
must catch! no crime should be left unpunished.Originally posted by laurence82:[snip]
f) last but not least, some got cheek to hint that they are evading taxes
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actually i wasnt thinking along this line, but its stupid to hint that you are evading taxesOriginally posted by Ristar:must catch! no crime should be left unpunished.
main point is, if you are not earning enough, you cant boast because you aint got anything to prove it
but if you hint you are evading taxes, it either means you are not earning income and you are lying about evading taxes, or you are really evading it....which is equally dumb given how people can easily 'baotoh' you and that our ACRA aint no small pushover when it comes to tax evasion -
some one liners but equally dumb
1. its distributors' fault, not company's fault
(means mismanagement)
2. system is good, but in reality, its people who pull down image of MLM
(if system cannot handle reality, means its useless)
3. company cannot control all distributors
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forget it people, dun have to bring the list, dun go to any mlm talk in the first place.
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Originally posted by Ristar:
CtCaLn
man... oh man.
CtCaLn, somehow, you and everyone who promotes MLM use this lousy example, and treat us as 3 year old children who do not understand the intricacies of the English language.
NETWORKING -- talking to friends, getting to know more people blah blah blah
NETWORKER -- using one's network of friends to sell a product.
if you boast to your friend that u score 100% in a test, u are not selling a product, and this is actually counter-productive in a networking environment coz your friend would be saying "oh yea right, stop showing off".
if you tell your friend that the Spiderman series kicks ass and he should watch it, it is deemed as networking, because ultimately, you do not earn a single cent of commission from Golden Village, or other smaller cinemas. and on top of that, you do not OWN the Spiderman series, or Golden Village.
if you talk to businessmen of higher calibre who understands the intricacies of the language, go for high tea and all sorts of crap, u are networking, because u r not selling them a product.
BUT if you tell your friends, family members, relatives, long lost friends, friends of your friends and all that to join you in your MLM company, or to buy a product from you, you are acting as a networker because you are selling a product. it makes you working, not networking! in addition, this would be damaging to your network of friends; they will shun you because you are pestering them to buy some products which they do not believe and/or are not interested in.
and since i do not think that you will comprehend this in the very near future, i will elaborate. why are you working and not networking in this case? it is because of your intent. you want them to join or to buy a product. you do not want to know them, or care if they die the next day (friends of friends, of course). get it?
jeez. the very thought of u being a Singaporean makes me bloody blush in shame!
go back to school.
any chance that you are from Vietnam or countries like that?
u know wat i see when i read your post? i see barbarism clad in Armani, and a child dressed in suit and tie. jeez.
u may take this as a taunt.
when r u going to reply me?
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Some Add ons
- Make money and people work for you
- Leveraging is a good business
- Are you free to La Kopi at raffles city
- I got an business opportunity to show you
- You can ask your friends to be your downlines.
The above are the favourite lines of a MLM. I used it b4.
BUT NOW I AM DOWN WITH MLM
Hope they will go bankrupt anytime nw. !
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hm.. seems like its still a hot topic... seen those so called "income" of my frens doing mlm.. hm.. but still thinks not safe... din regret pulling out before going deeper...
Anyway, i see like if u really wanna earn big bucks in mlm u also have to go out to meet alot of pple and "convince" them to join. It's as good as doing sales... i tot if u dun like doing this, no1 can force you. especially when u duont like to meet ppeple. -
some human beings with a weak mind will crack under the social pressure they are subjected to and join it, against their judgement.Originally posted by Hope789:hm.. seems like its still a hot topic... seen those so called "income" of my frens doing mlm.. hm.. but still thinks not safe... din regret pulling out before going deeper...
Anyway, i see like if u really wanna earn big bucks in mlm u also have to go out to meet alot of pple and "convince" them to join. It's as good as doing sales... i tot if u dun like doing this, no1 can force you. especially when u duont like to meet ppeple. -
peer pressure
hardselling
societal influence -
No. 45
i heard too many times liao.. from those MLM-believers. -
haha...!! what a list...! it's all too typical....
i think too many MLMers talks too much when presenting to their prospects... that's hard-selling... not a savvy way to conduct a network-based business... and most of them simply blabber from a mental script/list which they were taught to repeat and repeat, over and over... (Sharing Stories - or so they say...) no tact whatsoever... !!
that's sad... i feel that's what turns people away from this trade... i think all MLMers should first master the "art of framing" their speech, before engaging prospects...
~ FRAMING - (Jerry Clark's Club Rhino curriculum) -
WAT? so u think they dun have enough mind tricks up their sleeves izzit?Originally posted by raja gopal:haha...!! what a list...! it's all too typical....
i think too many MLMers talks too much when presenting to their prospects... that's hard-selling... not a savvy way to conduct a network-based business... and most of them simply blabber from a mental script/list which they were taught to repeat and repeat, over and over... (Sharing Stories - or so they say...) no tact whatsoever... !!
that's sad... i feel that's what turns people away from this trade... i think all MLMers should first master the "art of framing" their speech, before engaging prospects...
~ FRAMING - (Jerry Clark's Club Rhino curriculum)
still want them to learn more...
*ahem*
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actually its the attitude, rather than communication skills
i know many companies do have formalised training sessions on how to market schemes to prospects
many young MLM punks believe they own the world just simply because they believe they participated in a good scheme and they will soon get rich, and that the society would be the losers if they dont join them
what they didnt realise is that without the prospects, the consumers and the support of the general populace, they will never attain the dream they want, i mean they can dream all they want, but who will contribute to their income?
no prospects, no consumers = no $$$
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WAT? so u think they dun have enough mind tricks up their sleeves izzit?
still want them to learn more...
*ahem*
i meant communication skills.
yo friend,
I totally agree (to certain extend) & understand why you made that statement...
However, I'm still neutral to MLM... I perceive it as just another emerging industry like any established fields such as franchising, insurance, real estate...etc.
the MLM industry will carry on growing and mark its claims in economies all around the world... And radical professional/ethical changes must take place, before this industry can adopt a respectable image & progress to the next level of acceptance from Asian consumers...
Well dude, I make a comfortable living without doing the MLM "business"... & I simply am a consumer of products from various companies... However, I still recommend & refer clients to many respectable MLM professionals...
Like many others in this forum, I've had my fair share of experiences with MLMers... though it's often the case between disappointments or a total waste of time...
but occasionally, when I do meet the "real-players" of the trade... professionals with FAT-A$$ income & lavish lifestyles to justify their success... MAN...! I just can't help but to be in awe, by how these slick & smooth operators get so good at playing a simple (but not easy) game.
In other words, I have been convinced both ways !!! by the good & bad of MLM practices..... !!! Hah!
PEACE
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Let's buy some fanciful bottles and fill it up with long kang water.. Then we sell the long kang water as shen shui.
But we tell people we selling business plan... Then we can be the next Bill Gates!!!!!!!!
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a lot of young punks i see cannot answer simplest questions, and when pushed, resorted to flaming opposite parties
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dude... to whom are you referring to... ??
a lot of young punks i see cannot answer simplest questions, and when pushed, resorted to flaming opposite parties
typical
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Shoot them back.
Originally posted by scarletfever:
1 banks are doing MLM now
2 best company, best product, best team, best package, best plans
3 Bill Gates and Microsoft
4 business opportunity
5 business owner
[b]....so I work for you, a company (business establishment), and I become a business owner? I am going to be nothing but a middleman
6 cash flow quadrant
7 China, Vietnam, India and Russia is now into MLM, billions and billions to be made.
So are the other sectors like property, IT, etc, etc... Be a property agent there!
8 civil servants are now going into network marketing, because there's no more iron ricebowl or job security for them.
...So that means job securit for you? Civil service, companies can fire you, collapse or dock your pay. You don't even have a monthly pay. MLM is also a company.
9 difference between pyramid selling and Network marketing
Understandable... But at times misleading and the boundary is unclear
10 don't be a frog in the well, come out and see the world.
Agreed, but I've seen alot of bad examples of bad ways to see the world. There are better ways I worked in sales before.
11 dual income
No arguement
12 singapore government now encourage people to go into
entrepreneurship
I am going into enterprising by wprking for you? No comments
13 even casinos these days have gone MLM.
Franchising has similar principle as mlm
14 even universities like Harvard, Cambridge, NUS and NTU are lecturing on network marketing
15 everything in the future is MLM
Oh really? Says who?
16 everything now is MLM
So I should see Orchard Road becoming a dead street soon since all the retail outlets are going to close down
17 financial freedom
Let me see your paycheck. Too paiseh to show? Or no income? No monthly basic pay, where the financial freedom?
18 Forbes magazine, Fortune magazine
None of the top richest is in MLM
19 franchising like McDonalds'
But your product is not popular like Macs
20 global plan
21 lawyers, doctors, highly paid professionals, pilots, Mediacorp artistes all join MLM now.
And I can see many people quitting as well
22 MLM is a highly respected profession in major developed countries like US, Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan.
23 MLM is selling through by word of mouth.
An bad reputation is spreading by the same way
24 MLM is the future
So..... if everyone's doing mlm...?
25 more and more companies doing MLM
I can see that, had more than one bad experience
26 move into the 21st century, and move with the trend
Solly hor, I'm lau kok kok unker...
27 new set-up
28 new wave of marketing
I'm waving you goodbye and leaving now
29 no job security
MLM has no job securtiy
30 no more permanent jobs, all contract jobs nowadays.
All? Sure?
31 Now is the best time to go into MLM.
Now property is booming, its best time to go into property
32 parables of the pipeline
33 passive income - no need to work and then money just comes in.
Are you not working now by being an agent? Or waiting for downlines' commission cut?
34 people in the comfort zone,
Why are you still in mlm when there's 1001 jobs out there? In your comfort zone?
35 people who are lazy, losers, ignorant
So I only become hardworking, winners and learned when I join you?
36 people who are under-achievers
Define achievement. $? A job with monthly pay is certainlly more stable, and you're more likely to earn more this way in the long run
37 people who don't try
I worked in sales before
38 people who have no ambitions
I have
39 people who have no self-confidence
I'm confident I won't join
40 proven track record
...proven that only the upline earn alot
41 recession
recession, where ppl get the $ to buy the overly expensive products?
42 refuse to change your mindset
Saying yourself?
43 residual income
44 retire early
Oh? Ok. Show me a statistical report of the percentage of agents with monthly income above 5K
45 Robert Kiyosaki's rich dad poor dad, Donald Trump
46 selling in XXX number of countries
47 Singaporeans afraid of failure
U said u joined mlm for 'job security', so you're afraid of failure too?
48 Singaporeans cannot make it
CMI ppl exist in all jobs. it's up to u. ur ambitions, passions, dreams
49 Singaporeans too afraid to try new things
You've been inside for how long? Go try working at a company with monthly pay if u've never worked before
50 Singaporeans too over-protected by Government
51 so and so quit his $50,000 per month job and join this MLM company.
I know a so and so he quitted sch, believe he can earn 20K a mth MLMing and ended up making only $100
52 so and so who is involved in MLM now drives Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari.
So and so who is involved in mlm is now struggling to make ends meet with $500 monthly income
53 the world is changing
54 work at your own time, do during your free time
Sorry, gotta run. I have no time.
55 If they are cheating, they won't open so many offices, sell so many products and hire so many people.
If it's so good everyone will quit their current jobs
56 If they are cheating, they would have embezzle all the money and disappear .
Ethics
57 network marketing is now worth XXX billions of dollars in USA, and worth YYY billions of dollars in singapore alone and still growing.
Property, IT, Aviation is worth XXXXX billions and growing.
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investment scheme is a general term
i wonder why some MLMers say they are not selling investment schemes just because they are not a publicly listed company
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Like they say in their pet phrases for recruitment:Originally posted by laurence82:investment scheme is a general term
i wonder why some MLMers say they are not selling investment schemes just because they are not a publicly listed company
are they stupid or what?
Why work for others
Do u want to work til 70?
Work for yourself, start your own biz (so let me get this straight, I START my own biz by joining YOU, a company? )
Early retirement
Pay more than uni grad (in most cases income can be lower than a O level cert salary )
In this era, why are you still thinking of interest job? Cost of living rising.
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All the psycho-ing have a procedure. Every step has a reasonOriginally posted by sir sickolot II:that's the basic excuse to catch up with old times. really interesting
and about the grand daddy instructor? well, I think as biz ideas goes... if it's a good analogy or example, then it's sure to catch on with other MLM-ers, even if it's from a different company.
Since it's all about passive income and what not right? So everyone use a certain fix set of sure win ideas to use on noobs who don't have an inkling what MLM or network marketing is all about.
I'll also like to point out, as a form of biz... i see nothing wrong in it. As long as the 'company' can supply me the product once i order it... then it should be ok.
However, due to the extensive use of personal 'network' and human relations involved... that's where people draw the time and say MLM is not for me. Well, I'm not a supporter of MLM's so i guess i can say that in our society... we're a long way in accpeting MLM as a way of doing biz
cheers!
I see how many mlmers psycho u...
1) Make u question your future.
2) First they 'insult' your future
3) Then they make you think that $ is everything in life
4) That cost of living is more & more expensive
5) that the top MLMers are having car at age 21
6) Knowing you morale might had been put down by steps 1 - 4, they assure u, comfort u that there's an easier way
7) Show u examples of 'success stories' and how 'mlm changed their lives'
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nice points on the first thread.. though not in MLM now but still feels that it is not a scam. i got quite a lot of good experience/contacts which i am applying in my current business.
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to addOriginally posted by sLeEpWaLkErInG: nice points on the first thread.. though not in MLM now but still feels that it is not a scam. i got quite a lot of good experience/contacts which i am applying in my current business.
its like money
money is not the root of all evil
the love of money is
sad thing is, this evil is rampant