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I not trying to sound like one clever investor.(Sorry if i offended you)Originally posted by wealthseeker:U guess U guess, U really tink u good at guessing ar? Then from your nick im sure that ur brain is rusty already.
Stop sound like you are a clever investor. Just by reading a few investment books...
Dun lose money is quite a impt factor, but it cannot be avoid. Sure, u can play safe on your investment. U play safe u earn slow, so that depends on individual's risk level.
Just take forex as an eg, if the currency u buy drop 1 cent, den u immediately exit the trade. Bec of your dun lose money rule. Then 2 mins later it rise 5 cents. So u lose ultimately. But if you take a risk n hold for another 2 mins things will be diff. Dun just follow book says, U try it yourself.
Im not saying his teaching is lousy, but the person who write the book is one of the richest man in the world. If you are as rich as him or got lots of fund to take care of, den i will say follow his rule lo, bec losing 0.01% will be in millions liao.
The example you gave is wrong.
From my understanding of not losing money:
Focusing on not losing money more than focusing on making money.
Look at the chances of you losing money than making money.
The investment is full of doubts and you guys just jump in saying it's going to make big. If you lose money i don't care. But dragging others down i do concern. (they have their own decision. Forums a place from them to read and see both side of the story.)
There are whole lot of doubts stated by other in this thread.
Theres a link by ObviousMan showing a thread about Emcom. Some guys over there too did some research more detailed than i or u did. Showing domain of their web, etc. -
Okay, maybe i mix up the terms. 50% of internet n VOIP services, right?Originally posted by wealthseeker:Are u already an investor? what we are getting nw is from the capital assurance plan + commission if you got any.
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I agree that losing money is quite inevitable, but I think what Rusty meant to say was more regarding the vehicle that you invest in. Is it a trusty steed or some cranky old donkey?Originally posted by wealthseeker:Dun lose money is quite a impt factor, but it cannot be avoid. Sure, u can play safe on your investment. U play safe u earn slow, so that depends on individual's risk level.
Just take forex as an eg, if the currency u buy drop 1 cent, den u immediately exit the trade. Bec of your dun lose money rule. Then 2 mins later it rise 5 cents. So u lose ultimately. But if you take a risk n hold for another 2 mins things will be diff. Dun just follow book says, U try it yourself.
Im not saying his teaching is lousy, but the person who write the book is one of the richest man in the world. If you are as rich as him or got lots of fund to take care of, den i will say follow his rule lo, bec losing 0.01% will be in millions liao.
Because emcom's future is still unknown, I will like to tell everyone not to jump to conclusions. It might be a fantastic investment for all we know.
Personally I feel that everyone has the right to know more about emcom, hence the need for discussions right? It should never be a one-sided affair. There will always be detractors, it's part of life. Take comments positively and if you are right, the truth will prevail.
What we want people to know is that before they make any investments, do at least some research AND please do know what you are getting in return. I was right about the dividends, the amount of money NUS_Superst@r was getting was not dividends but "capital assurance".
Will there be a time "capital assurance" outstrips investments and profits? These we will never know now.
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Alright let me made some clarification again.
I am not sure how much is the bank loan now, but a personal loan will be usually 1.6% or more.
Getting bank loan will required lots of time and further more our project required fund to be pump in every month.
I should not represent company, but i am saying all in my opinions, although the interests or returns paid to investor might be high, but at least you can manage and control the fund fully. If we are gonna get funds from bank it will take alot of time and might delay the project progress, remember we are trying to be the first mover in the country. We can't afford to waste time on this.
And again i would like to say again, that the company did have some loan from bank, but of cos majority of the fund is from investors. Why ? Because our president want to do it in MLM way. Do not ask me why, cos i can't read his thought.
Anyway Warren Buffet is a great man and i read his book too. His advise is good, but i believe in doing investment its not possible to no lose money right. If you do investing in stocks or shares, you will know that you have to loss to start earning
Sam Walton is great too, by building Wal-Mart, and beating the big gaint K-Mart who is before him. Lau think about this, Emcom could be beating his big gaint competitor too.
Frankly speaking i do not think we should continue the discussion, if everyone is flaming each others.
As i say lets just wait for Jan 07, when the official launched then we talk about it.
An item, some might see it good while others see it bad, therefore we should not try to convince anyone one. The only thing we can do is to clarify. -
Regarding this investment scheme by EMCOM, is it registered with any government bodies or even recognised? After all they do have a Singapore office and they are definately promoting their investment packages to the masses.
For the true neutrals, here are some small tips on how to avoid PONZI schemes. I personally know of such schemes that I have encountered in the past and thus feel obliged to inform people about them.
1. Research, research, research
Companies that are offering honest investments always welcome questions. They should also not be assertive and will give you the time you need to do some research. Doing your research now will also save you the agony of losing your friends' trust, afterall you are the one who informed them of this "great investment".
2. Check the product, legal or not?
Before any investments – no matter how promising the returns, make sure the offering is registered with local authorities. Make sure the person selling you this offering is qualified to do so.
3. Do not be greedy.
Watch for very high returns over a very short term. When Ponzi schemes get started, the returns can be great. The word gets out about the high returns, drawing more people in. Money is actually just being transferred from new investors to old investors.
Inshort, don't be forced to make a decision. Tell the agent that you need some more time. Know what you want, know what to ask.
Regards,
BKKboy -
Originally posted by bangkokboy:
1. I need lots of research on Emcom and its project before i introduce.
Regarding this investment scheme by EMCOM, is it registered with any government bodies or even recognised? After all they do have a Singapore office and they are definately promoting their investment packages to the masses.
For the true neutrals, here are some small tips on how to avoid PONZI schemes. I personally know of such schemes that I have encountered in the past and thus feel obliged to inform people about them.
[b]1. Research, research, research
Companies that are offering honest investments always welcome questions. They should also not be assertive and will give you the time you need to do some research. Doing your research now will also save you the agony of losing your friends' trust, afterall you are the one who informed them of this "great investment".
2. Check the product, legal or not?
Before any investments – no matter how promising the returns, make sure the offering is registered with local authorities. Make sure the person selling you this offering is qualified to do so.
3. Do not be greedy.
Watch for very high returns over a very short term. When Ponzi schemes get started, the returns can be great. The word gets out about the high returns, drawing more people in. Money is actually just being transferred from new investors to old investors.
Inshort, don't be forced to make a decision. Tell the agent that you need some more time. Know what you want, know what to ask.
Regards,
BKKboy
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2. Its legal, they have registered company and ISP licence in Taiwan.
3. I understand of your money transfer point, but maybe for now the month profit-sharing is this case, but once Emcom start operation it will be a different thing.
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Scam or not scam, Jan 07 will be the key point. Just hope that until then, it is still phase 5.
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Okie at least this sounds better.Originally posted by Rustyhong:I not trying to sound like one clever investor.(Sorry if i offended you)
The example you gave is wrong.
From my understanding of not losing money:
Focusing on not losing money more than focusing on making money.
Look at the chances of you losing money than making money.
The investment is full of doubts and you guys just jump in saying it's going to make big. If you lose money i don't care. But dragging others down i do concern. (they have their own decision. Forums a place from them to read and see both side of the story.)
There are whole lot of doubts stated by other in this thread.
Theres a link by ObviousMan showing a thread about Emcom. Some guys over there too did some research more detailed than i or u did. Showing domain of their web, etc.
Of cos ppl have to make their own decision whether to invest anot. Forum is a good place for discussion if all users keep proper conduct and not flamming n accusing.
SO sure got good n bad comments 1, even SBS also kana scold by ppl. Gov also kana scold. So are they really that bad? U got to judge urself.
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Yes, I agree that nobody at this stage now can produce any proof whether Emcom is a scam or not. If it isn't a scam, congratz to those who invested cause the returns are pretty good. If it is a scam, we must all be more wary and inform others of similar schemes in future. Agreed?
Regards,
BKKboy -
I dont understand. Is taking loans from bank that long? As far as I know from my friends working in credit line, it doesnt take too long, and banks inadvertently are better armed with technical analysis to sound out a project.Originally posted by LegacyMan:Alright let me made some clarification again.
I am not sure how much is the bank loan now, but a personal loan will be usually 1.6% or more.
Getting bank loan will required lots of time and further more our project required fund to be pump in every month.
I should not represent company, but i am saying all in my opinions, although the interests or returns paid to investor might be high, but at least you can manage and control the fund fully. If we are gonna get funds from bank it will take alot of time and might delay the project progress, remember we are trying to be the first mover in the country. We can't afford to waste time on this.
And again i would like to say again, that the company did have some loan from bank, but of cos majority of the fund is from investors. Why ? Because our president want to do it in MLM way. Do not ask me why, cos i can't read his thought.
Anyway Warren Buffet is a great man and i read his book too. His advise is good, but i believe in doing investment its not possible to no lose money right. If you do investing in stocks or shares, you will know that you have to loss to start earning
Sam Walton is great too, by building Wal-Mart, and beating the big gaint K-Mart who is before him. Lau think about this, Emcom could be beating his big gaint competitor too.
Frankly speaking i do not think we should continue the discussion, if everyone is flaming each others.
As i say lets just wait for Jan 07, when the official launched then we talk about it.
An item, some might see it good while others see it bad, therefore we should not try to convince anyone one. The only thing we can do is to clarify.
Hmm, i dont understand the sudden comparison with Wal Mart and Warren Buffett. We didnt either, so dont you think its a very superficial analogy?
If you guys are merely investors, I dont see any reason why you guys are defending your investments, expecially when you are not agents or employees of the company. -
TskOriginally posted by wealthseeker:U guess U guess, U really tink u good at guessing ar? Then from your nick im sure that ur brain is rusty already.
Stop sound like you are a clever investor. Just by reading a few investment books... -
Quite the reputation he has doesn't he?Originally posted by laurence82:Actually
Some of the rules, like what i said in an earlier post, are already there, on sticky
And not like you are a first comer, you have some topics closed on you, even drawing flaming from others
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Because there is something wrong with you.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Sigh. Seems like no matter what I do, it is very wrong.
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Investing in a company may be a good thing, but when the thread starter is someone who claims that smoking is good for health, the credibility is rather in doubt.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Seriously, go and find out more about it yourself cos I not earning any conmission at all. I just want more ppl to know this great business opportunity.
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NUS_Superst@r is trying to con people or
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CCB, if I prove that this is not a scam, all you ppl must apologize to me.Originally posted by shuiling:NUS_Superst@r is trying to con people or
has NUS_Superst@r been conned already?
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Even the law cannot prove a scam, how can you prove or disprove a scam?
Your dad the Attorney General? -
When I start getting back my initial investments plus monthly dividends, is it enough to prove that it is not a scam?Originally posted by laurence82:Even the law cannot prove a scam, how can you prove or disprove a scam?
Your dad the Attorney General? -
NTI bluff people wan la stupid company (N)ormal (T)ech (I)diot
i know the next msg people sure ask me to say why bluff people .. LET ME TELL YOU 1 THING MLM is ALL A SCAM !!!! MLM=MAKE LITTLE MONEY ! -
its not a good indicator thoughOriginally posted by NUS_Superst@r:When I start getting back my initial investments plus monthly dividends, is it enough to prove that it is not a scam?
question is are you paid what you deserve?
you didnt read the earliest posts?
bangkokboy was talking along this line -
U win liao. I dun earn money, it's a scam. I earn money, it's still a scam.Originally posted by laurence82:its not a good indicator though
question is are you paid what you deserve?
you didnt read the earliest posts?
bangkokboy was talking along this line
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that part then you should also read the fallen's postsOriginally posted by NUS_Superst@r:U win liao. I dun earn money, it's a scam. I earn money, it's still a scam.
Brokerage firms offer competitive brokerage fees and are registered with MAS
Note, the word is competitive, there are few of such firms including Philips Securities
The capital you invested, the amount you will receive, how much these firms gonna take as fees, are in the clear
U earn dont earn also a scam? This is a play of logic
What these guys can offer is reality -
Whatever, if it's a scam and I can still earn money, I very happy liao.
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Thats why its good to be a boss and not a distributor, agent or employeeOriginally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Whatever, if it's a scam and I can still earn money, I very happy liao.
Coz have people like you -
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