MLM can show a person's true colours?Share the same opinion?
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read carefullyOriginally posted by huzane89:Laurenceboi82,
u say that mlm is 100% biz, why say that it's a scheme?
i said (as if)
its not 100% ownership anyway
scheme is more appropriate, the term is used in the MLM Act as well -
I believe its just an example raised up. Anyway anyone can learn to be someone or have same vision eg. Richard Branson, but not everyone can be success like him.Originally posted by leddy:If you have vision like Richard Branson, you won't waste your time on MLM
For someone who have don't truly understand MLM should not make such comments. -
How come your replies dont really answer his points?Originally posted by LegacyMan:I believe its just an example raised up. Anyway anyone can learn to be someone or have same vision eg. Richard Branson, but not everyone can be success like him.
For someone who have don't truly understand MLM should not make such comments.
If you dont know what he means, pls dont go to the part about understanding MLM.
In this sense, the only people who agrees with MLM are the one understanding it. I beg to differ. There are researches into MLM, and these people who understand thru their researches, do not agree with MLM.
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I guess what he is trying to say is that not everyone is a Richard Branson.Originally posted by laurence82:How come your replies dont really answer his points?
If you dont know what he means, pls dont go to the part about understanding MLM.
In this sense, the only people who agrees with MLM are the one understanding it. I beg to differ. There are researches into MLM, and these people who understand thru their researches, do not agree with MLM.
Therefore pls dont propose such a flawed logic.
And since not everyone is a Richard Branson, MLM is the way to do business.
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what the...Originally posted by dokono:I guess what he is trying to say is that not everyone is a Richard Branson.
And since not everyone is a Richard Branson, MLM is the way to do business.
doko
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so funny meh? hahaOriginally posted by laurence82:what the... 
I really thought that was his message. Just paraphrasing it.
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If you cant be Richard Branson, you can also do business the Wee Cho Yaw way
I mean like, fark, is Richard Branson the only quotable guy? -
Maybe because he is successful and a convenient entrepreneur to quote?Originally posted by laurence82:If you cant be Richard Branson, you can also do business the Wee Cho Yaw way
I mean like, fark, is Richard Branson the only quotable guy?
Might as well quote from James Phang? Nobody can forsee the future better than James Phang except Richard Branson or Bill Gates?
Oh by the way, James Phang can be considered an entrepreneur cause he is the real boss.
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Originally posted by dokono:Maybe because he is successful and a convenient entrepreneur to quote?
Might as well quote from James Phang? Nobody can forsee the future better than James Phang except Richard Branson or Bill Gates?
doko
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Its strange how a personality can be so idolised, yet providing no signifcantly successful successors
One of the true enigma of all time -
It's even stranger how people can worship other people except themselves.Originally posted by laurence82:Its strange how a personality can be so idolised, yet providing no signifcantly successful successors
One of the true enigma of all time
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Precisely!Originally posted by dokono:It's even stranger how people can worship other people except themselves.
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I guess it is not because they really worship but they are taking their respect for their leaders too far into the extreme.
There is a difference between respect and worship.
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One of the problem with personality cultsOriginally posted by dokono:I guess it is not because they really worship but they are taking their respect for their leaders too far into the extreme.
There is a difference between respect and worship.
doko
This is why charismatic leadership is widely studied
Very mindnumbing topic, when dealing with scams, religious cults, terrorist groups etc -
oh the age issue comes in very touchy because under biz law its very touch for parties to go into a legally binding contract/agreement with a minor.
of course some age caps are simply illogical..eg u cant watch Ra films but can fire live rounds, smoke, drink...
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Of cos I understand his points.Originally posted by laurence82:How come your replies dont really answer his points?
If you dont know what he means, pls dont go to the part about understanding MLM.
In this sense, the only people who agrees with MLM are the one understanding it. I beg to differ. There are researches into MLM, and these people who understand thru their researches, do not agree with MLM.
Therefore pls dont propose such a flawed logic.
What i am refering to is anyone can think and work like an entrepurer but not everyone could have the achievement like those who make it eg. Richard Brandson. Therefore MLM is another alternative. Its also another alternative for those who wishes to have some achievement but can't be that smart like Richard Brandson. As i mention its an alternative.
Anyway what i mentioned is not a flawed logic, someone who is not into MLM will not understand fully about MLM, even if you got a PHD for MLM but you are not in it or no practical with it, its just merely a paper cert. You will know alot about it, but you do not understand about it. You also won't know the secert of its success.
For an example if you grad from a teaching school, can you say you know everything about teaching or understand teaching ? You have to start teaching and gain hands on experience then you can understand what teaching is all about.
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I totally agree with you on this oneMessage originally posted by LegacyManOf cos I understand his points.
What i am refering to is anyone can think and work like an entrepurer but not everyone could have the achievement like those who make it eg. Richard Brandson. Therefore MLM is another alternative. Its also another alternative for those who wishes to have some achievement but can't be that smart like Richard Brandson. As i mention its an alternative.
Anyway what i mentioned is not a flawed logic, someone who is not into MLM will not understand fully about MLM, even if you got a PHD for MLM but you are not in it or no practical with it, its just merely a paper cert. You will know alot about it, but you do not understand about it. You also won't know the secert of its success.
For an example if you grad from a teaching school, can you say you know everything about teaching or understand teaching ? You have to start teaching and gain hands on experience then you can get you understand what teaching is all about.
Please know that theory is different with practical and from your remark, you show us that you are not clear of that
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Still flawed
MLM can still dont hold the secrets to success and these researchers could very well know it.
No point putting off people who know these facts as someone who dont understand
Its mere rhetorics
Btw, poor analogy using PhD and what not. It doesnt mean you have PhD you cant understand what is going on, unless you got evidence to back up this supposition. -
I dont know why are we arguing along these lines. Its simply inadequate to use philosophy and theories and suppositions to talk about MLM. These are something you could use to fool teenagers who havent got a clue. Precisely, why I dont like talking to many people here.
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Actually i don't regard this as agruement, its just expressing of different view from different people.Originally posted by laurence82:Still flawed
MLM can still dont hold the secrets to success and these researchers could very well know it.
No point putting off people who know these facts as someone who dont understand
Its mere rhetorics
Btw, poor analogy using PhD and what not. It doesnt mean you have PhD you cant understand what is going on, unless you got evidence to back up this supposition.
If you think its still flawed, thats nothing we can do about it. Since I can't let you look in another view, or you choose not to look.
Whether it is a poor analogy is not up to us to determine, its for those who read this to determine themselve, same as whether they understand what i mean in my replies and why i use those examples too.
Evidence shows that alot people indeed make money in MLM (I never say millions), and of cos alot never make money, but why people just mention about how people in MLM failed and not succeed? Anyway i guess most people just choose to look things in their own view and angle.
Anyway i usually don't say this to too much people esp teen as they wun really understand all these theroies too. I was just thinking that lau is quite knowledgable in such matters, thats why i share with you my thoughts and views.
Since you think that what we are talking is not suitable to use for MLM then we should not continue with it.
Still the same conclusion, lets wait and see will MLM ends or last.
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I guess what he is trying to say is a person who is very knowledgeable in MLM but has never participated in its schemes is the same as not understanding MLM.Originally posted by laurence82:Still flawed
MLM can still dont hold the secrets to success and these researchers could very well know it.
No point putting off people who know these facts as someone who dont understand
Its mere rhetorics
Btw, poor analogy using PhD and what not. It doesnt mean you have PhD you cant understand what is going on, unless you got evidence to back up this supposition.
Well, to a certain extent, what he said he true. MLM, like any sales line, is all about experience. But it's about experience in dealing with people and the pay plans, how you play the game to succeed in this business.
However, I think the correct word should be used for criticism. Criticisms don't arise for nothing. MLM has been very heavily criticised, bordering on the thin line between selling products and pure recruitment and/or front-loading.
Take note: MLM has been officially in existence for over 60 years since its inception in the US. A university has even designed a course for MLM wannabes. I believe more than enough study and analysis has been done. Till today, MLM is still under the trouble of the law. What we see today is just a variation of different pay plans and how the game is played. But the essential model is still there. You still need people under your downline to build your business.
What the MLMers failed to realise is how to address those criticisms. People don't criticise for nothing. And those criticisms are not answered which pissed people off. That's what people with Ph D are for. They are analysing the model and criticising it. If MLMers can give solid answers with substantial evidence to back up their statements, they can blow those critics off.
Furthermore, people see MLM as the ideal alternative career path to a good life. But do we know what happens behind closed doors? Who created those top dogs in the company? Did the company pay those leaders and groom them to create an image of success to attract people? After all, MLM is about marketing a brand or company. MLMs thrive on distributorships.
I know there are people who are being artificially groomed. They have let out their secrets.
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I do agree
which is why I said MLM must evolve to achieve at the very least the reputation of insurance companies, which used to have image and fundamental issues MLM is facing now
In reality, i do not foresee any system, be it economic systems like capitalism or communism, or micro ones like MLM could resolve (note: not eliminate) social issues like the harsh corporate working environment, low pay, income disparity etc in the society. I mean currently, unless somebody is innovative enough.
They claim, but somehow they cannot resolve or tend to neglect human aspect in systems. You can never have a system, say its perfect and blame human fallibility when its under criticisms. It simply means your system fail to address human issues.
And its the human which is more important, not the system. People always forget. -
Sometime ago someone showed me a few articles with some researchers who actually participated in the schemes. They are the ones who are dissatisfied that MLM can do what it claim to do. The things is that researchers sometimes come up with models or stats which are very compelling and practical. Even businessmen inadvertently create models themselves, such as Motorola with its Six Sigma program and being copied or adapted by others, or the latest Blue Ocean Strategy created by the peeps at Insead.Originally posted by dokono:I guess what he is trying to say is a person who is very knowledgeable in MLM but has never participated in its schemes is the same as not understanding MLM.
Well, to a certain extent, what he said he true. MLM, like any sales line, is all about experience. But it's about experience in dealing with people and the pay plans, how you play the game to succeed in this business.
People always mistake these as academic, but they are simply tools used by entrepeneurs. So what MLMers need to do is to show compelling evidence that they are right.
In the context of this forum, i dont expect people to throw urls to show support for or against MLM, but for the love of god its annoying when they get wishy washy, philosophical about MLM -
Yes i do agree that MLM has not taken enough evidence to prove their standing.
I too agree that all these words on MLM is all cause by the poor system and people management of some companies.
Anyway i totally think that there is no such system or companies thats perfect as they claim, there will always be some flaw in it.
I do not do it blindly, i do it logically
Just hope that when the day come when everything can be so transparent and all the arguement will stop, just like those days for insurance -
Its only propaganda for the uplines to totally brainwash their downlines, because ultimately, you want to wash your hands off selling the products yourself and still keep money rolling in. By brain-washing the downlines they also prevent them from backing out.
In fact, the recent increase of teenage multi-level marketers only means one thing. i.e increase of income for the uplines
Why?
Because seduced by the thought of being an upline ( yep, Venture Era )
1 , 3 , 5 , 7 then 9
are the numbers needed to earn each promotion and once the first sales, you get to get downlines.
The adverse effect on these teenagers is that, how many people are willing to spend almost S$2000 to buy water? Which we have been drinking for ALL of our lives without having any problem with it.
These teenagers, therefore, turn to their own family members and from then on, they realise they have no other clients, hence stuck in between the company ladder.
Who are you, a 16 year old to advise me, a 50 year old on health?
However, they implemented a 21 years-old age restriction, where the last batch of downlines were my friends, who have backed out after my reality check with them