MLM can show a person's true colours?Share the same opinion?
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What you are highlighting are clearly systemic issues - tendency for the system to produce such people.Originally posted by TIB744U:Yes. Multi-level Marketing can indeed show a person's true colours. My friend's sadly one of the examples I could give. He seem a very humble guy on the outside because he's friendly towards people, helpful and cheerful always. However deep down inside, he has that overambitious mentality that he wants to achieve more $$$ by trying to convince people to buy his products vigorously so that he can reach his marketing manager position by end of the year, etc.
Everyone have ambitions, be it good or bad. But it seem to me that Multi-level marketing has been over-emphasising on achieving cars, etc that makes people overambitious and hence show the true colours of mankind. That we can do everything to all extents to achieve what we want.
And there are higher-level managers who would try to "encourage" or force their downlines to sell stuff to let them earn more money when they were previously good to them when they train them. So isnt that true colours exposed?
A wishful thinking, but if I can act god, and given the chance to improve the system, one of the ways would be to pass regulations disallowing kids of certain age to participate in MLM schemes, just like you could only be allowed to smoke at 18, drive at 21 etc... -
Originally posted by huzane89:
it's not the mlm which is bad.
Hey there...
I am new here...
I've been reading some of the forums and lots of it seems to be that MLM can destroy a friendship etc.
[b]If MLM so bad, why singapore govt. allow this business to be active in S'pore?
Care to share?
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Its Just A Strategy!!
ITS THE PEOPLE RUNNING MLM which MAKES it BAD! -
mlm is designed by people
its still hard to think mlm as something dead, a mathematical plan devoid of human aspect
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Yes just like what i used to do, we forbid anyone under 18 to join our group, as 18 years is the min legal age to do business.Originally posted by laurence82:What you are highlighting are clearly systemic issues - tendency for the system to produce such people.
A wishful thinking, but if I can act god, and given the chance to improve the system, one of the ways would be to pass regulations disallowing kids of certain age to participate in MLM schemes, just like you could only be allowed to smoke at 18, drive at 21 etc... -
simpler exampleOriginally posted by laurence82:mlm is designed by people
its still hard to think mlm as something dead, a mathematical plan devoid of human aspect
a Gun
in the hands of different people, it has different usage
Guns in the hands of Police = Help saves Lives!!
Guns in the hands of robbers = Lose Lives
So you going to still stick with MLM = BAD PEOPLE?
if you still going to stick with the idea than i guess, you are just not being flexible. (no offence, just want to let understand your misconception only) -
I agree with you on that one... So, if I were to join mlm, to suceed I need to find an upline who is responsible & trusthworthy... And I should do the same with my downlines...
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how do you determine if the upline you join is responsible and trustworthy?Originally posted by huzane89:I agree with you on that one... So, if I were to join mlm, to suceed I need to find an upline who is responsible & trusthworthy... And I should do the same with my downlines...
do the same with downlines? it depends on how you teach your downlines..
it doesn't mean that you want to do than you can do, also need proper guidance. -
its a poor analogy coz mlm afterall is a very multifaceted system, to use a single good like a gun in lieu of a system is simply inadequateOriginally posted by the_fallen:simpler example
a Gun
in the hands of different people, it has different usage
Guns in the hands of Police = Help saves Lives!!
Guns in the hands of robbers = Lose Lives
So you going to still stick with MLM = BAD PEOPLE?
if you still going to stick with the idea than i guess, you are just not being flexible. (no offence, just want to let understand your misconception only)
my pet peeve is with people needing to know how to use analogies appropriately -
if a company is good enough, the base of senior uplines can be big enough, unlikes companies which from last time till now can only throw names of a few 'heroes'
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Hey there everyone
I agree with your guys here.. It'll be best if there's a law passed to allow only certain age groups of people to get themselves involved in multi-level marketing
There're multi-level marketeers which are below 18 years from what I know..
Multi-level marketing itself is good, but it depends on the people themselves that is under it Yeah that's what I've realised after reading so much.. Shouldnt be so-out shooting Multi-level marketing when I dont know much.. LOL 
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not just age, many other areas, including enforcement of cooling off periods, required disclosure of company's performance and income of distributors in general, and host of other measures
to think about it, some of these were in the Act but were not enforced, not known or other reasons
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Agree. Not every company practises cooling-off periods. Not every company discloses their performances in the market, income of distributors in general (they should, since some of them always claim that they product 4/5 figure distributors and car achievers)Originally posted by laurence82:not just age, many other areas, including enforcement of cooling off periods, required disclosure of company's performance and income of distributors in general, and host of other measures
to think about it, some of these were in the Act but were not enforced, not known or other reasons
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Ironically, MLM system ,if it were to be good, is supposed to be designed around human behaviours, unfortunately, the current practices were not thereOriginally posted by TIB744U:Hey there everyone
Multi-level marketing itself is good, but it depends on the people themselves that is under it Yeah that's what I've realised after reading so much.. Shouldnt be so-out shooting Multi-level marketing when I dont know much.. LOL
overloading, greed, politics, relationship issues, hardselling exists
if its that good, it should have the tendency to discourage such behaviours, enable people to actively seeking MLM as a career, openly declaring themselves to be MLMers, achieve recognised standing in the professional world
if it cant, the system therefore should change, or remain like an annoying ulcer in the roof of the mouth
I think the insurance industry is a good model for MLMers to emulate, but i am talking about the insurance industry that has existed for the past few decades
unfortunately with the inclusion of financial-linked products and MLM style of selling, the insurance industry must also tighten regulations and change, or else it will evolve to be as lowly as the MLM system -
Just know that in MLM, there are alot of kids and children doing it in Singapore... you DO NOT want to trust the bull and crap they chunk out. All these people are just ur regular sales person you see in every departmental store... they are not doing business. They have absolutely no business training at all!
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People say that MLMers help one another. That's bullcrap. Politics will exist anywhere, from school to work to business. It's how you deal with it.Originally posted by laurence82:Ironically, MLM system ,if it were to be good, is supposed to be designed around human behaviours, unfortunately, the current practices were not there
overloading, greed, politics, relationship issues, hardselling exists
if its that good, it should have the tendency to discourage such behaviours, enable people to actively seeking MLM as a career, openly declaring themselves to be MLMers, achieve recognised standing in the professional world
if it cant, the system therefore should change, or remain like an annoying ulcer in the roof of the mouth
I think the insurance industry is a good model for MLMers to emulate, but i am talking about the insurance industry that has existed for the past few decades
unfortunately with the inclusion of financial-linked products and MLM style of selling, the insurance industry must also tighten regulations and change, or else it will evolve to be as lowly as the MLM system
Greed- As long as the desire for more money exists, there will be greed. I won't say it's bad to be greedy for money. After, it's only human to want more as part of the Maslow Hierachy of needs. As long as you don't take the greed too far and impose on others, that's fine.
Overloading- that's a flaw of the company or distributors promoting overloading.
Relationship issues- This depends on your people skills and level of maturity with people. Pressure never works on people. It never works anywhere.
Hardselling- Part of pressure selling which is bad.
Insurance: Some claim insurance to be the originator of the MLM model while MLMers claim Insurance adopted its model after MLM style. We do not know. But that is not the main point. The main point is, are they providing values through their products and services? Does money paid
Insurance people focus more on products which I believe works because they are covering a basic risk factor. And they encourage savings which helps in financial education. People are so concerned about money but they do not want to learn about money. Investment-linked products? This depends on the agent himself if he is proficient in his skills and knowledge in recommending different types of investment schemes. The main interest is in the consumer, not his pockets. Again, when we hear news of agents hard-selling, is it because the industry is at fault or is the agent at fault here? Is he displaying a quality level of Professionalism and workrate here?
doko -
precisely because the system allows it
if you study maslow, i am sure you study companies that change their culture and systems to reduce the inefficiency caused by self interest, inter departmental politics and so on
precisely because these successful companies view human as part of the system design
to separate human and system is too theoretical and too simplistic
in short, it can be done, despite the innate nature of humans
i find that people are simply pushing two images of MLM at the same time, one that brings hope to those who want it, and the other being excuses for flaws when confronted with issues
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How do you train in business. School and education institution only teach you how to do biz, the training are most unlikely to be in schools. They teach you how to do it, not train you... Schools are more theory than practise... In the biz world, practical overcome theories...Message originally posted by leddyJust know that in MLM, there are alot of kids and children doing it in Singapore... you DO NOT want to trust the bull and crap they chunk out. All these people are just ur regular sales person you see in every departmental store... they are not doing business. They have absolutely no business training at all!
Some youngsters do mature, not all but some... You can't say all below 18 are kids and not suitable in biz. Sir Richard Branson was a CEO when he was 17. So, is he a kid... Definitely not, he's a billionaire now... Since you can start young, why not? But I do admit that most of those youngsters do act big... But not all... So, it's very unfair to say all below 18 are kids and shouldn't have an enterpreneur mindset.Seeing yourself as you want to be is the key to personal growth.
The world's best reformers are those who begin on themselves
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i think that for youngsters, ego,greed and emotions tend to come into the picture easily. thats why there are many bad cases around.
dun believe? read the forums.. people from diff companies shooting nueclear bombs at each other... so make a guess on their ages.... -
only those matured youngsters will stand a chance to really see success.
anyway back to your topic..mlm can show a person's true colours?
yes in a way, cos how well u do in this biz really depends on ur attitude in dealing with people, people is the commodity in this biz.
in other biz, people can be more ruthless and u dun even know what hit u. -
Alright, so you are trying to say that in mlm, it is a safer biz rather than the traditional one isit?Message originally posted by P-K4only those matured youngsters will stand a chance to really see success.
anyway back to your topic..mlm can show a person's true colours?
yes in a way, cos how well u do in this biz really depends on ur attitude in dealing with people, people is the commodity in this biz.
in other biz, people can be more ruthless and u dun even know what hit u.
And I do agree with you that not all are really mature in mlm but these mature ones should be given an opportunity... Their age shouln't be a hindrance towards where they are going. -
its too cumbersome to sift out
hence regulations are implemented nationwide, not to selective few
whether its minimum age for labour, cigarettes or alcohol -
Well, there's a reason why these regulations are passed down... Like smoking & cigarettes, it's bad for health... It's reasonable that the govt. to implement the age limit so that most probably youngsters won't experiment with them easily... thus, lowering the risk of future health problems-individually & economically...message originally posted by laurence82its too cumbersome to sift out
hence regulations are implemented nationwide, not to selective few
whether its minimum age for labour, cigarettes or alcohol
for labour, it is a job... Meaning govt. do not want kids to leave their school to find jobs for money as eduation is important in s'pore society... Futher more, labour age limit is 16... That's why you can see lots of kids working in fast food restaurant...
MLM is a biz... Any age also can... But not too young... i believe 16 and above is reasonable coz they already started thinking for themselves... Maybe not all, but at least some of them do... So, it's unfair to not let them participate if they want it... Why let age be a hindrance to their goals? -
From what i know labour age limit is 14. Strangely, if labour would be limited because education is paramount, why should they be allowed to do business (as if MLM is a seriously a 100% business). From many perspectives, its double standards, it hampers business demand for labour which the govenrment would not dare to stand by and do nothing.Originally posted by huzane89:Well, there's a reason why these regulations are passed down... Like smoking & cigarettes, it's bad for health... It's reasonable that the govt. to implement the age limit so that most probably youngsters won't experiment with them easily... thus, lowering the risk of future health problems-individually & economically...
for labour, it is a job... Meaning govt. do not want kids to leave their school to find jobs for money as eduation is important in s'pore society... Futher more, labour age limit is 16... That's why you can see lots of kids working in fast food restaurant...
MLM is a biz... Any age also can... But not too young... i believe 16 and above is reasonable coz they already started thinking for themselves... Maybe not all, but at least some of them do... So, it's unfair to not let them participate if they want it... Why let age be a hindrance to their goals?
So far, from experience, it seems a signficant number of young MLMers cannot handle it. We should also factor in the fact that due to societal change, we are facing increasing pre marital issues, teenage crimes and all that.
Note also, if you do study law, you will appreciate the fact the law prevents, rather than expound some affirmative action. ie, the law would not tell you to be a good citizen, pick up litter and so on, but its a preventive measure, fro example, not to kill, not to litter, not to steal.
Once you understand this perspective, you will understand that the law and regulations is a net that will not allow bad apples to go through, and if they have to do that, they do it across the board.
So this thing about unfair and all that, will have to be put off till they are of age.
I kind of agree if there is a law that prevent below 18 or so to get into MLM schemes, prevent the rotten apples from coming out. -
Laurenceboi82,
u say that mlm is 100% biz, why say that it's a scheme? -
If you have vision like Richard Branson, you won't waste your time on MLM