Another Scam Project By Ex-NOP Boss, James Phang! Beware!
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For your info James Phang still have lots of follower in Malaysia and Indo, even in Taiwan now.Originally posted by the_fallen:if it's true than james phang would have even more loyal followers behind him in 3 countries in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia respectively and not only in Singapore.
Besides, if he repaid the investors already, than he can re-start the same old company NOP again, but why not?
If what he is doing is really that good, and so does the previous projects, why is there a need to always changing the name of NTI?
From originally Niutrend International - after 1 yr of black reputation change to
NTI - Empire Alliance - Sunshine Empire?
if a company is really that good, there's no need to keep changing of names.
Do you see Nokia changing their names? No, they use the same old names, even other businesses also keep using the same names.
Why WAS HE DECLARED BANKRUPTED at that time?
Jackie in NTI of course he say NTI good ma, who would say the real inside news that will jeopardize the chance of getting people to invest in their gimmicks?
Are they any fools who open a food store/businesses saying that their food/business isn't good, DO NOT buy from them? Think Logically, don't be easily taken into their trap.
you think too shallow already, if you want to understand more, we can meet up and discuss.
Why he dun restart NOP again is not up to us to conclude, if you need to know you should be James Phang. And why he can't change name too ? Funny question.
When did NTI change name ? Its still call Niutrend International, NTI is shortform. EGA is the Group name of all James Phang companies not NTI name, Sunshine Empire is malaysia MLM company not NTI. Seems like you have all you info wrong.
I understand now that you are just talking with your own wishful thinking and not facts. -
Originally posted by the_fallen:
Ok another wishful thinking replies. Again i would say if you got a PO they will not deny you redemption, if you lose it and come back claim you have the product who will believe ? Its just like you want exchange an product you bought for 1 year and wishes to exchange it without a receipt.
go get your facts (which I seriously doubt you will get the true facts) right on redeemtion of products before you come back to talk to me. (i'm not being arrogant, but you think i've not tried redeemtion?)
go probe more, see what excuses they give you.
for you to give such a "long detail" explaination on the Investment, I confirm you 100% rookie in MLM industry.
I will not comment much on your post, but just to let you know, if you seriously know and have confidence in what you are doing, you will not be defending till this extent.
You want to WIN, inside you are just a Loser due to YOUR FEAR
Those who have absolute CONFIDENCE in the services in any form, try all ways to clarify matters compared to people who knows what they really are doing than they will let time speak for itself and NOT you standing OUT be a hero to clarify.
Just look at the approach adults handle difficulties and problems, than you will see another perspective.
It's NOT a practise of Businessman/Businesswoman to discuss Businesses through this channel, grow up (mentally) and observe how Businesses really function!
I'll let you win since you want it so badly. For me, i feel nothing, whether someone actually wants to really understand more in depth, that person will take a netural approach, and be open to anything, and everything listen than consider.
[b]Winning this debate or losing doesn't concerns me at all for I get NOTHING out of this process. BUT for you, you DIE DIE have to win because you have a MOTIVE to WIN this DEBATE but I HAVE NO MOTIVE!
What I want to do here is simple - allow people to get a better understanding of what they are throwing themselves in for before they sign it.
My stand is CLEAR - I am here to share, I will only share with people who are keen to listen, not people who wants to defend themselves or anything.
IN LAYMAN TERMS - I SPEAK (meet and discuss) ONLY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO MENTAL BLOCK, PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO LISTEN.
For now, you are just challenging me with the purpose of winning a debate, I am not here to challenge nor debate on anything.
I am just here to share what I know and how to actually make a sound decision.
you method of looking at an investment plan is SHORT-SIGHTED to be honest.
Again like what I've told Laurence, if you want to know how to have make and arrive at a SOUND decision, you jolly well go listen to more REAL INVESTMENTS OFFERED OUTSIDE and COMPARE THE DIFFERENCES.
- Don't just look at the sky from inside the well, jump out and you will see a much bigger picture of the sky.[/b] -
He is refering to the product purchased before the Emcom Investment and before Mall point launched.Originally posted by Mee_Go_Reng:No need for apologies bro, its ok. But I'm getting more and more lost. Wat exactly is your point? Has it got anything to do with the validity of the project? Whatever you have said was in fact wat alot of us did. I mean who would invest without checking things out? And wat makes you think that people who invested in emcom dumped all their eggs into one basket?? Is that a presumed sweeping statement? The fact that out of so many investements that me and a couple of friends can find, emcom gives one of the highest returns, and isn't returns one of the basis of choosing an investment? Even financial planners do not have plans that provide such returns. Some that i know of even invested in emcom as well. And of course, in terms of risk, the manager who spoke to me is able to produce all relevant documents to prove the existance and validity of emcom taking part in the proj. And a trip to Taichung personally proved everything.
And talking abt products... my queries abt the redmeption of products still has not been answered. Will someone pls clarify?? I certianly do not wish to redeem any unredeemable products!
Anyway bro fallen, you seem to know alot about investments. You've got any lobang to share? I'll be more than willing to listen to investment plans.
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nvm, if you think your invesments on emcom is a correct than I certainly will wish you best of luck, but I personally advice you NOT To Pin TOO MUCH Hope on the returns.Originally posted by Mee_Go_Reng:No need for apologies bro, its ok. But I'm getting more and more lost. Wat exactly is your point? Has it got anything to do with the validity of the project? Whatever you have said was in fact wat alot of us did. I mean who would invest without checking things out? And wat makes you think that people who invested in emcom dumped all their eggs into one basket?? Is that a presumed sweeping statement? The fact that out of so many investements that me and a couple of friends can find, emcom gives one of the highest returns, and isn't returns one of the basis of choosing an investment? Even financial planners do not have plans that provide such returns. Some that i know of even invested in emcom as well. And of course, in terms of risk, the manager who spoke to me is able to produce all relevant documents to prove the existance and validity of emcom taking part in the proj. And a trip to Taichung personally proved everything.
And talking abt products... my queries abt the redmeption of products still has not been answered. Will someone pls clarify?? I certianly do not wish to redeem any unredeemable products!
Anyway bro fallen, you seem to know alot about investments. You've got any lobang to share? I'll be more than willing to listen to investment plans.
You and your friends did compare the returns, but would it be too odd to have such a high returns when other investment products can't give these high returns themselves?
returns is a must to look into, but investments is the key, not being greedy is the idea to selecting a good investment and accessing the level of risk involved is another issue which INVESTORS have to look into themselves and not to listen to the managers in sharing, they are not FINANCIAL PLANNERS NOR DO THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RISK MANAGEMENT!
NTI Managers are trained to sell the investment plan, not to access the level of risk involved. So in short - they are just plain sellers trying to sell off a product with no proper knowledge on investments.
If you were saying a VISIT to that city proofs the risk is zero, but you might want to reconsider.
My friend went to the 3rd project - the resort of NTI, but less than 1 month after the official opening it also closed. How safe is a visit?
Even in normal investments, a visit doesn't proof that a investment is safe and sound. You need to know how to access the level of RISK in a investment.
I'm not saying Emcom will shut off, but in another way in terms of how NTI is marketing it, it's a failing project due to some reasons.
If you are asking about redeemption of product, than you might want to know that what you sign up for is a investment product, there is no product which you can redeem as a matter of fact, BUT due to the merchant points of the Ting Dongs you have, you get very little merchant points are of little if not no value. So your product is just the investment, the only way you can redeem your product is to 'sit and wait' for the returns every month.
if you are interested in other investments, i can intro you to a agent, NOT MLM, but it's investments in plots of land. there's a 90 mins seminar, cakes and drinks provided. if you interested than let me know, i can inform the agent.
Disclaimer : I don't earn anything by refering coz I'm not a client of theirs.
Why I know this is because I like to find out more on Investment opportunities so as to choose the right channel to invest in future.
Shopping around, knowing more - sharpens my mind and thinking in accessing if whether a investment is worthy or not. -
A company full of young teenagers and young undergrads trying to persuade ppl to invest in their company??? I dont tink is wise to invest in such a company. Of course, some forumers are pretty babaric here but I tink Lau here is pretty refined in his use of language so i tink it is still wise to see many point of views b4 u invest. For students out there, I would strongly urge u to stay away from this company. It just take up too much of ur time and money. Not that I would say u will get no returns and benefits but the time needed to earn back ur money is just too long, hence for students who just need fast cash to pay off ur hostel bills or watever, dun join this company or thou wilt regret later for sure. Not that I am trying to say young undergrads should not develop their entrepeunership but Nti is not the place for u to take big risk...u will regret later. Learn to do things step by step, dont siao siao invest just because ppl say so. I believe there are many brilliant and young businessman and investors out in the world, but in spore u can 4 get abt finding one. That is why i dun want to waste mi money investing in Nti. Talking abt em com and trying to get a large portion of the pie in spore...cmon spore pop is just to small to support so many telecommuniction company. In all countries, the largest share of telecommunication pie will most likely to be given to gov based company not foreign company so talking abt how lucrative it is to join em com....it is crap...only the 1 st few get to earn big bucks.Originally posted by perrification:Hmm... actually I too am part of the NTI-Emcom programme.
And I did collect my approx. 10% of what i put in, $2880. I had a Bronze Merchant acct from earlier this yr but i was too busy with my ATEC and everything so i didnt have time to do anything.
Other than my 10% from the returns, I earned around 800+ from my networking side. Also due to the fact that due to how the networking plan runs, i balance my BC easily as i have a resevoir on my other "leg".
I'm not saying everyone is as lucky as me. but making my point... i guess if you are not interested in it... becos maybe its just not for you... or you are anti mlm or whatever your reason is... stop defaming the company. if you are unable to risk that 3000 dollars or more or even your 500 dollars... then dont. please dont. you will just make yourself unhappy. Nothing in this world with returns comes without risk. but are you going to just not risk anything? maybe its just me, but i am someone who take calculated risk...
So far maybe its a scam that i can earn back 1/3 of what i have already put in. For me... rather than just standing outside the arena and see if its a scam i rather take what i can afford. NOTE: AFFORD. not money which u cannot part with, and see if it really is a scam. if not i win the gamble if it is... well as of now i only lost at most by my next pay out, about 1k plus. An affordable lesson. If it works out... well i guess... IT Does work then.
For people who cannot afford it dont try. The company never hard sells... if u are a victim of it... i guess ur friend or ur associate is just a black sheep. For me, if you are not interested, i'm okay. After all when i bring a 3k client in... what he will get in return is more than my 100USD if i do balance both sides. Its really up to that person if this is something he can afford to risk and see for himself if its a scam.
I myself did alot of research into Emcom partnership. Well maybe to some i may be a fool for signing up. but i guess when i earn from this... at least i profitted instead of people who just flame and keep their money at home. Btw... risk are always involved in 'investments'. Do your homework yourself, raise ur questions and if u are unsatisfied or feel insecured. dont do it. PLEASE DONT DO IT. because you only give everyone problems.
If you all really dont believe how much i earn, i will check with my superiors and see if its okay if i tag my payout slip and my returns slip here.
I'm just saying... flaming here wont earn u money. use your time wisely. go work or something. flaming here wont conclude anything. I suggest you try to learn more if your purpose here is to educate people who are green horn investors. i'm not sure if defaming another company here can land u in a lawsuit, but i doubt EGA is interested in you flaming here. but i guess its never nice to bad-mouth people if you got no solid proof.
Sure James Pang suffered alot of bad media. But to digress abit you all talk about singapore self investment values... you all talk so big... but yet you all dont even give James pang a chance to redeem himself, talk about yellow ribbon project... sure its about prisoners giving them a second chance.... but essentially its about the fomer part isnt it? giving people a second chance.
To end off, i came into this forum becos my superior joke to me about how you people act in here. reading ur flames has been amusing initially. but you all are just too much actually... esp some members who are just plain childish.
A forum is about information spreading and education... not just lashing out at someone... how different are you from those rioters who hide in the crowd as the same as you behind the screen. sure u may say i am doing the same. behind a screen. but i guess you know what i am getting at. if u really got some queries i believe you can come down to the company and ask them... if you wan to, u can pm me i can give u my contact number if u are so miser i can even pay for your transport fee. yes this is a sarcastic remark. but well i hope u can see it with that narrow mindset of yours.
Sorry i was alil angry there. anyway, please if u are unsure of how the partnership works do ask more. not just flame... and start calling people names. if you dont believe dont post. if u feel that people in here dont know what they are doing, share and educate. please for goodness sake dont call them stupid dont tell them that we are conning them. when we dont do it. give us some justice and alil respect if that is even possible from you.
Thank you for reading. You can flame me anyway you want to, but i guess the 3rd party reading ur replies can decide who has a moral high ground here. thats for him to decide himself. Thank You Again.
To give James Phang a chance?? cmon perrification u sound so mature talking abt investment yet u even fail to realize we , in fact , live in a very harsh world. The yellow ribbon project is there bcause it is human nature to be suspicious of others esp those who hav done grave mistakes in the past. Dont tell mi that u will hire an ex-rapist as a chauffeur to fetch ur wife and daughter up and down. Forgiveness is not granted free by others, it is obtain by working hard for it. If JP wants to redeem his own sinful act, then he has to prove it to us and he must accept ppl looking at him thru tinted glasses because he did do wrong things in the past. Wu feng bu qi lang, i guess when many many ppl "flamming" Nti, there must be a reason for it. The same as why u joined this forum and post such a politically correct post, trying to portray a better image of ur company so that u can earn big bucks...cmon that for your vested interest.
Of course, I do agree wif u holeheartedly that some forumers are pure babaric in nature wif sickening characters but that is life as well, we hav to accept the fact that babarians do exist in our world(sadly). In short, if ya wish to gain public acceptance u have become rich and succesful using the right path. If not, yelling at others and using sacarsm on babaric ppl will not work.They are not called babarians for nothing. Ppl will onli look upon u if u are rich and powerful. That is life. -
I am going to join this emcom becos it is now in phase 5 and ROI is dropping fast. If you don't join, then keep quiet but when we earn back our investments, you ppl don't get jealous.
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I doubt anyone will get jealous, they will only think whether you are lying about the payout only.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:I am going to join this emcom becos it is now in phase 5 and ROI is dropping fast. If you don't join, then keep quiet but when we earn back our investments, you ppl don't get jealous. -
Same attitude, same hoobalahoo
Nuthing seems to change
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I just went down to sunshine empire today and I saw the dividends with my own eyes.Originally posted by LegacyMan:I doubt anyone will get jealous, they will only think whether you are lying about the payout only. -
The payout is real leh...
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Of course it's real. The Taichung wireless project is even reported in the news and when Taichung is fully supported by this wireless thing, those money earned by subscription will keep flowing in. Somemore, they even have members going down to Taichung to see for themselves the technology. If it is a scam, will they dare to do it? I just hope you guys be more fair, haven't see anything yet already say it's scam.Originally posted by wealthseeker:The payout is real leh...
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Yes seeing is believing.
There is really no point for you to debate in here whether Emcom investment is a scam or not.
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Hi guys,Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:I just went down to sunshine empire today and I saw the dividends with my own eyes.
It reminds me of the time I went to BA, I was pretty impressed when I saw people earning 12k... Hey but let's ask them how much they invested. You will realise that it is only a small percentage of their initial (and maybe subsequent) investment.
Not trying to be a wet blanket, but please do more research. If I tell you my company in Bangkok is making millions based on MY OWN brochure and my OWN powerpoint slide will you believe me... If you do please contact me and I will happily let you invest.
Regards,
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Means ur coy ROI is better?Originally posted by bangkokboy:Hi guys,
It reminds me of the time I went to BA, I was pretty impressed when I saw people earning 12k... Hey but let's ask them how much they invested. You will realise that it is only a small percentage of their initial (and maybe subsequent) investment.
Not trying to be a wet blanket, but please do more research. If I tell you my company in Bangkok is making millions based on MY OWN brochure and my OWN powerpoint slide will you believe me... If you do please contact me and I will happily let you invest.
Regards,
Bangkokboy
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Guess what??? someone from NTI thought I am a clone of Laurance!!!!
Culprit:someone call yea yea yea
To make miself clear, I am NOT laurance though I hav great respect for him( he is able to stand against all flamming without using any vulgarities)
How to distinguish MI who is HAMILTONIAN 1125 from lau??? check mi previous posts. 1st mi english level is way below Laurance
. 2ndly, does Laurance seems to be a physics lover??? I guess not..that is why mi name is hamiltonian...check out in quantum mech what that means....Seems that NTI ppl are so afraid of Laurance that they assume any anti nti forumers to be clone of Laurance. Seems that physicists are not the only group that loves to assume and generalised ideas...NTI ppl do as well 
But NTI ppl out there pls, we physicists are a bunch of ppl with compassionate hearts and truthful to our frens. We never cheat frens nor ppl wif false theory...we convince ppl using hardcore experimental facts and lots of mathematics(which I love so very much)....
Sorry lau for ASSUMING that u dun like physics..but u noe, we physicists love to assume and generalized things. If by any chance mi assumption is wrong, I would love to discuss physics wif ya -
Dotz ~ Hamiltonian you are saying ALL ?
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There is this chinese saying i can offer, in fact twoOriginally posted by Hamiltonian1125:Guess what??? someone from NTI thought I am a clone of Laurance!!!!
Culprit:someone call yea yea yea
To make miself clear, I am NOT laurance though I hav great respect for him( he is able to stand against all flamming without using any vulgarities)
How to distinguish MI who is HAMILTONIAN 1125 from lau??? check mi previous posts. 1st mi english level is way below Laurance . 2ndly, does Laurance seems to be a physics lover??? I guess not..that is why mi name is hamiltonian...check out in quantum mech what that means....Seems that NTI ppl are so afraid of Laurance that they assume any anti nti forumers to be clone of Laurance. Seems that physicists are not the only group that loves to assume and generalised ideas...NTI ppl do as well
But NTI ppl out there pls, we physicists are a bunch of ppl with compassionate hearts and truthful to our frens. We never cheat frens nor ppl wif false theory...we convince ppl using hardcore experimental facts and lots of mathematics(which I love so very much)....
Sorry lau for ASSUMING that u dun like physics..but u noe, we physicists love to assume and generalized things. If by any chance mi assumption is wrong, I would love to discuss physics wif ya
xin zhong you gui
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if you dont want people to know your secret, then dont do it in the first place
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i am not a phycist, dont like physics anyway...what u did at the office? create a ruckus? -
Oops, sorry for generalising...I dun mean harm...just that some Nti agents been sending mi pretty nasty private msgs which really peeved mi off.Originally posted by LegacyMan:Dotz ~ Hamiltonian you are saying ALL ? -
Its ok i believe strongly that different people in the same company will result differently.Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:Oops, sorry for generalising...I dun mean harm...just that some Nti agents been sending mi pretty nasty private msgs which really peeved mi off. -
Haha no comments on this. But what I am trying to say is that "facts' can be fabricated...Originally posted by laurence82:Means ur coy ROI is better?
Hmmmm
Regards,
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If nti is a training company, hope it has manners and etiquette in its course.....a good idea to recommend to ur bossOriginally posted by LegacyMan:Its ok i believe strongly that different people in the same company will result differently. -
I dun care whether you ppl personal issue with nti, as long as every mth on the 10th, money keeps entering my pockets, I will be happy.
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Happy for you too. By the way, what's your initial investment, how long have you invested and how much you getting on the 10th of every month... sounds good to me...Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:I dun care whether you ppl personal issue with nti, as long as every mth on the 10th, money keeps entering my pockets, I will be happy.
Oh yeah I've got some questions about Emcom that you left unanswered in the topic on Emcom.
Regards,
BKKboy -
I invested 3280 for the silver partner. Ist mth got the cash rebate and dividends so shld add up to 400 plus. then every mth on 10th, you get back your dividends which is abt 200 plus sing. However, the returns for gold partner is very much higher, dividend for each mth is 800+ usd. If you recommend more ppl, you also get to earn. That's the binary system.Originally posted by bangkokboy:Happy for you too. By the way, what's your initial investment, how long have you invested and how much you getting on the 10th of every month... sounds good to me... Oh yeah I've got some questions about Emcom that you left unanswered in the topic on Emcom.
Regards,
BKKboy -
ahh... wth... i kenna flame again... come on la... ham... just leave me alone... -_- what i learn from this is... not my problem... dont be hero and get involve...
people tell u...how good this proj is... u dont believe...
people tell u... nti people harass him... you all believe...
we take proof...u still dont believe
he just use words u all believe (not that i totally think he is lying)
yes sure ham this is a harsh world... the yellow ribbon thingy... if u read deeper... it is said with a tint of sacarsm to someone... no i am not politically correct. i never will be. dont judge me please...
join us for the project...the prospect of how the coy is able to afford the pay out.
not because, whether i am good looking whether i do charity work(btw i do =D) or not... cos at the end of the day... its ur choice... no one forcing u here baby.
why dont i say this... i receive alot of pm too... harassment i would say... believe me or not? just makes me think... why i dont need to publish them...and yet u have to? for me...i dont publish them cos...out of topic wad... so wad are u doin? ruining my agents' name? or gaining some low level attraction? balls to u baby... =)
anyway~,
just leave me alone. i earn my money u keep urs. thank you. and cheers to my fellow men with the increase in the special dividens this mth~ =)