Another Scam Project By Ex-NOP Boss, James Phang! Beware!
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what sort of products? routers?Originally posted by the_fallen:what the toot u thinking about?
u want lu mi mi go get a set for yourselves.
what i mean by products are those join before the wireless project that group of ppl, they last time claim can collect products anytime ma, but now they lost the distribution rights / not trading the products already.
see how they can give us the products now since they not carrying it already. -
if those against it cannot say anything, go for it lor, its ur money anywayOriginally posted by jonzibonzi:i'm considering on the GP, but i wanna know more facts, all those againts it only can say its not good, but i want some facts, please be quick, i got no time.. price increasing already... thanks.. -
it seems to me that you are not firmilar with NTI.Originally posted by laurence82:what sort of products? routers?
nvm, those who understand will know it.
if you want to know, just visit the office, although they no longer carrying that product, but they still have it in their showcase. (false image - gimmick)
such act already very dishonest. -
currently of course notOriginally posted by the_fallen:it seems to me that you are not firmilar with NTI.
nvm, those who understand will know it.
if you want to know, just visit the office, although they no longer carrying that product, but they still have it in their showcase. (false image - gimmick)
such act already very dishonest.
duh
not with them changing schemes everytime -
hey bro,Originally posted by jonzibonzi:i'm considering on the GP, but i wanna know more facts, all those againts it only can say its not good, but i want some facts, please be quick, i got no time.. price increasing already... thanks..
no offence, but i feel it's a bit foolish on your side to be giving those comments like as per above.
your so call facts
is just what NTI agents can show to you.
the facts that we have, be it anti or netural all are based on own experiences and exposure with the super senior mangers in NTI, so we know what tricks they are up in their sleeves.
if you are not willing to listen to the truth, than by all means go ahead and WASTE YOUR MONEY!!
you have to learn to be a smart investor and not be a greedy investor.
greed is just on impulse without going through the proper considerations.
it's like EXAMPLE your health is not in good condition, and you jolly well know it. Even doctors tell you and advice u not to eat unhealthy food, but u still continue, than 1 fine day, your body break-down, organs fail, you complain also no use.
because u are reluctant to listen to both sides, you just want to hear words that are pleasant to your ears.
since a method of Consideration, i can just tell you, this consideration is as good as NONE.
really no offence, it's just that i see NOP which already tricked millionaires of PPL in Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia already, than now, he back to the similar strategy, so just want to prevent any innocent parties from getting involved into his gimmick again. -
the point is, to answer his question is to lay out on the table whatever specific discrepancies or flaws or misgivings you have about NTI
many have done it before, one thing is that it proves they are people with serious grievances, the other is that it put things clearly, rather going around murky points
otherwise, its clearly that they are on their own, perfect information is something of an oxymoron sometimes -
okay, but to lay everything out in this forum.Originally posted by laurence82:the point is, to answer his question is to lay out on the table whatever specific discrepancies or flaws or misgivings you have about NTI
many have done it before, one thing is that it proves they are people with serious grievances, the other is that it put things clearly, rather going around murky points
otherwise, its clearly that they are on their own, perfect information is something of an oxymoron sometimes
isn't a wise man's way of approaching a problem
it's just what i feel.
there are a lot of issues to be covered, not only on the investment plan itself, also have to look into the reliability of the company itself.
so the area of topic is too wide to be even written in this thread.
talking is faster and better than here typing and things.
why need to understand the creditbility and relability of the company -
simple EXAMPLE:
today if i set up ABC Insurance, new company. sell you a policy, will ppl buy it?
no, first they will understand and find out more on the company, if it's here to stay or not first before making a decision even to listen to what they can offer.
many people skip this IMPORTANT STEP when it comes to INVESTING!!
because what companies we have in Singapore are all creditable companies thus a lot of average investors which little knowledge of investing offen miss out this point.
Disclaimer*: I am not trying to in-directly say i am good, it's just that I learnt this lesson the HARD WAY!!
When it comes to investment, if they (the company) knows the time urgency, during their seminar or talk on investment, they will let you know the company profile/background first to give u a trust FIRST before going into the Investment itself and how the returns on investments like.
thus for New Investments especially new companies, they will give a SELF-INTRODUCTION of themselves to the investors FIRST.
Much the less is said for NTI, given it's bad reputation and it's track record of 'cheating' and having so many refunds back in NOP days, should average investors learn and find out more on the company first before any decision is MADE?
this is just a small MINOR part of making a SOUND DECISION. -
can give specific examples?
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hey broOriginally posted by laurence82:can give specific examples?
i am just wondering
if you aren't involved, than don't probe too much, explain to you also no point.
like i've said earlier, TOO MUCH TO COVER
so if only people who wants to learn more on NTI negative side, i have lots of it, but for positive side, i do have BUT its 1 good : 1000 bad points and there's just 1 good point of nti only (that was in the passed, now no more good point le
)
if you want example
go seek some real investment agents, it can be on land, properties (big scale-expensive til not average people can afford)
than you will get what i mean.
just 1 visit, there's a lot of examples already waiting for you.
No Offence, but I know you are trying to help here, but you are not involved in any way, yet u more 'kan choing' than anybody else, which is funny.
just leave it to the people who wants to understand more on the investment plans, than i explain more but if anyone wants clear explaning on Investment Plan, count me OUT UNLESS face to face chat, which is MORE effecient. -
again, are these relevant? i find it funny that eventually discussions on the systems and workings of nti always turn to focus on personal characters, whether its those office politics, or those always rather choose to probe background instead of answering the issuesOriginally posted by the_fallen:hey bro
i am just wondering
if you aren't involved, than don't probe too much, explain to you also no point.
like i've said earlier, TOO MUCH TO COVER
so if only people who wants to learn more on NTI negative side, i have lots of it, but for positive side, i do have BUT its 1 good : 1000 bad points and there's just 1 good point of nti only (that was in the passed, now no more good point le )
if you want example
go seek some real investment agents, it can be on land, properties (big scale-expensive til not average people can afford)
than you will get what i mean.
just 1 visit, there's a lot of examples already waiting for you.
No Offence, but I know you are trying to help here, but you are not involved in any way, yet u more 'kan choing' than anybody else, which is funny.
just leave it to the people who wants to understand more on the investment plans, than i explain more but if anyone wants clear explaning on Investment Plan, count me OUT UNLESS face to face chat, which is MORE effecient.
i am prodding you to add more (if you really have info) and to be specific with parts that you have misgivings, otherwise, whats the point of dicussing and saying those stuff? its not adding value, and for the nth time its always around some conceptual things...i seriously dont understand these approach, these questioning me whether i should be here or not, why i so kanchiong
i find these rather irrelevant
many in the past have given valuable information, whether its on the products, or on culture, or system flaws, i hope it will be continued along this, face to face or not
i do hope you are serious in educating the public on nti -
i am serious, but only with the right people, i know your habit of posting replies is to ask questions and lots of questions, i have seen your previous posts before back when you were still having a yellow head cartoon picture as your avatar, that time u aren't making good contributution neither, so don't tell me if i am serious or not, and this is nti stuff, if you not sure, than just listen. (STRICTY no offense meant, but just know your role, don't do something outside your role.) Even those who have joined/ considering to join not as kan choing, you kan chiong for what?.Originally posted by laurence82:again, are these relevant? i find it funny that eventually discussions on the systems and workings of nti always turn to focus on personal characters, whether its those office politics, or those always rather choose to probe background instead of answering the issues
i am prodding you to add more (if you really have info) and to be specific with parts that you have misgivings, otherwise, whats the point of dicussing and saying those stuff? its not adding value, and for the nth time its always around some conceptual things...i seriously dont understand these approach, these questioning me whether i should be here or not, why i so kanchiong
i find these rather irrelevant
many in the past have given valuable information, whether its on the products, or on culture, or system flaws, i hope it will be continued along this, face to face or not
i do hope you are serious in educating the public on nti
as there's a saying the emperor doesn't feels the urgency, yet the tai jian(covert to english) feels more urgent than the emperor.
my approach of teaching is different from others.
if you or others, don't want to understand the full stuff, want to listen to the parts you people interested only, than it's no point for me to share.
a real advisor regardless of whom the person listening will always wants to tell the important stuff, even though the investor see's no link, but it is the job of a dutiful advisor to show them the link and guide them towards making a sound decision, so don't come and teach me how to guide and educate people.
i got go and attend those investments talks and observe their methods, so if you want to ask, ask related qns. thanks.
i will not entertain nor reply any of your questions/doubts unless i find them useful. if not i will only concentrate on people who wants to have real soundful advice.
i don't want to waste time on people who have no need for help/advice -
then i see its pointless to add on to the discussions
anyone else with better linguistic skills and able to communicate what is going on want to register and post?
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Lau he is refering to the skin care and aromathery set.
The product can be redeem ma if they still have the PO.
Anyway just for your info, NTI is still dealing with the product, just not selling them for membership. You can redeem the product using MallPoint, you should know what is it.
Anyway NTI did not merge with PGI, just that PGI or PGI people come under NTI now to do the investment.
Anyway dun raise up the past anymore and no use agruing about this issue, if someone will join they will join even if you say nothing, and like wise for those who nv join.
Wait till Jan 07 for the official launch then we continue whether its real ! -
Okay... fallen... its really true on lau's part that u are not focusing on the policies and legalities issues.
The product... erm... actually i thought you were talking about Lu mi mi at first. but yeah legacy clarified that point. anyway just a curious question,
did you join nti in the past hoping to market aroma therapy things? yes true you can redeem those stuffs...but to me its kinda like freebies instead of products u know...? well to me la. maybe some people really do get mall points for that.
anyway u refer to products in this current scheme (product...well if u want to consider the partnership as a "product" fine)... and signing up for emcom since singapore is going wireless...?
the seamless wireless prog is launching in Tai Zhong... Not Singapore as far as Emcom is concern. Yes true there are like wad...Qmax Starhub and Singtel doing the wireless thing in Singapore but that has nothing to do With Blue Engine(Yes they previously worked with M1 to create hotspots) Taiyee or Emcom although we did try bidding for the local one, anyway Singapore one does not provide SEAMLESS wireless. its just Hot spots. =) unless i missed out on some information but this doesnt really concern the scheme since u are talking about a local context.
You keep talking about sound investment... Erm... can you list me the risk? Other than James Phang running away with the dough, Mega Earthquake in Taiwan which will destroy TaiZhong...Any Better Ones?
For Interested partners, i would say look at facts. look and judge for yourself the potential of a seamless wireless communities consider the commercial value of it. and reason out if its truly TOO good of a deal that they return u that kinda percentile. I think its a damn good deal only if they actually let me hold shares of Emcom which we dont. For me as a SP...24-27K vs Shares... hmmm... i want shares more but well too bad for me they dont give it like this.
Look also at the whether is it really impossible for emcom to give you such high returns on a monthly basis. anyway people who feel that its a scam...well the infrastructures are almost complete and everything is more or less in place no i am not saying the project is 80% done. but well too much hardware and infrastructure has been put in that this project is about to launch...and u know the potential of it. Its one hell of a scam to just run away with maybe 40-50million dollars. Its worth much more than that amount. Btw... the whole 18 phases only has 100 000 Lots. (unless i am misinformed) so we are not pooling an unlimited supply of capital. We could, but every detail is calculated.
there are so many points which i can list to classify this as a mid-low risk "investment" so for my few pointers which are superficial, how many in-depth NOs can u present to us? except talking about the past and how we were NOP before...come on... what else? Hmm... Guess What...Bill Gates Doesnt have a very Pretty Past too... Well... *shrugs* food for thought i guess.
anyway gathering from what u said, please find out more about our current project and comment on us. Dont cock and fire away like this... its just nonsensical. If you cant be bothered... Then u are maybe in no correct place to inform anyone about not doing this. By the way... Who says we always sign people on the spot. So far i always give my client minimum 2-3days to decide themselves and go through the Agreement with their family or whoever they want to show. Fallen... please dont generalise us. Like i say... As far as my group is concern... we dont do hard selling. Hard Selling is nonsense. Peace out. Just my 2.5 Cents. -
But The jackie in NTI told me they paid back the investors from the magic kingdom project, is that true?
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how to prove?
if true, money come from other projects?
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if it's true than james phang would have even more loyal followers behind him in 3 countries in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia respectively and not only in Singapore.Originally posted by jonzibonzi:But The jackie in NTI told me they paid back the investors from the magic kingdom project, is that true?
Besides, if he repaid the investors already, than he can re-start the same old company NOP again, but why not?
If what he is doing is really that good, and so does the previous projects, why is there a need to always changing the name of NTI?
From originally Niutrend International - after 1 yr of black reputation change to
NTI - Empire Alliance - Sunshine Empire?
if a company is really that good, there's no need to keep changing of names.
Do you see Nokia changing their names? No, they use the same old names, even other businesses also keep using the same names.
Why WAS HE DECLARED BANKRUPTED at that time?
Jackie in NTI of course he say NTI good ma, who would say the real inside news that will jeopardize the chance of getting people to invest in their gimmicks?
Are they any fools who open a food store/businesses saying that their food/business isn't good, DO NOT buy from them? Think Logically, don't be easily taken into their trap.
you think too shallow already, if you want to understand more, we can meet up and discuss. -
go get your facts (which I seriously doubt you will get the true facts) right on redeemtion of products before you come back to talk to me. (i'm not being arrogant, but you think i've not tried redeemtion?)Originally posted by perrification:Okay... fallen... its really true on lau's part that u are not focusing on the policies and legalities issues.
The product... erm... actually i thought you were talking about Lu mi mi at first. but yeah legacy clarified that point. anyway just a curious question,
did you join nti in the past hoping to market aroma therapy things? yes true you can redeem those stuffs...but to me its kinda like freebies instead of products u know...? well to me la. maybe some people really do get mall points for that.
anyway u refer to products in this current scheme (product...well if u want to consider the partnership as a "product" fine)... and signing up for emcom since singapore is going wireless...?
the seamless wireless prog is launching in Tai Zhong... Not Singapore as far as Emcom is concern. Yes true there are like wad...Qmax Starhub and Singtel doing the wireless thing in Singapore but that has nothing to do With Blue Engine(Yes they previously worked with M1 to create hotspots) Taiyee or Emcom although we did try bidding for the local one, anyway Singapore one does not provide SEAMLESS wireless. its just Hot spots. =) unless i missed out on some information but this doesnt really concern the scheme since u are talking about a local context.
You keep talking about sound investment... Erm... can you list me the risk? Other than James Phang running away with the dough, Mega Earthquake in Taiwan which will destroy TaiZhong...Any Better Ones?
For Interested partners, i would say look at facts. look and judge for yourself the potential of a seamless wireless communities consider the commercial value of it. and reason out if its truly TOO good of a deal that they return u that kinda percentile. I think its a damn good deal only if they actually let me hold shares of Emcom which we dont. For me as a SP...24-27K vs Shares... hmmm... i want shares more but well too bad for me they dont give it like this.
Look also at the whether is it really impossible for emcom to give you such high returns on a monthly basis. anyway people who feel that its a scam...well the infrastructures are almost complete and everything is more or less in place no i am not saying the project is 80% done. but well too much hardware and infrastructure has been put in that this project is about to launch...and u know the potential of it. Its one hell of a scam to just run away with maybe 40-50million dollars. Its worth much more than that amount. Btw... the whole 18 phases only has 100 000 Lots. (unless i am misinformed) so we are not pooling an unlimited supply of capital. We could, but every detail is calculated.
there are so many points which i can list to classify this as a mid-low risk "investment" so for my few pointers which are superficial, how many in-depth NOs can u present to us? except talking about the past and how we were NOP before...come on... what else? Hmm... Guess What...Bill Gates Doesnt have a very Pretty Past too... Well... *shrugs* food for thought i guess.
anyway gathering from what u said, please find out more about our current project and comment on us. Dont cock and fire away like this... its just nonsensical. If you cant be bothered... Then u are maybe in no correct place to inform anyone about not doing this. By the way... Who says we always sign people on the spot. So far i always give my client minimum 2-3days to decide themselves and go through the Agreement with their family or whoever they want to show. Fallen... please dont generalise us. Like i say... As far as my group is concern... we dont do hard selling. Hard Selling is nonsense. Peace out. Just my 2.5 Cents.
go probe more, see what excuses they give you.
for you to give such a "long detail" explaination on the Investment, I confirm you 100% rookie in MLM industry.
I will not comment much on your post, but just to let you know, if you seriously know and have confidence in what you are doing, you will not be defending till this extent.
You want to WIN, inside you are just a Loser due to YOUR FEAR
Those who have absolute CONFIDENCE in the services in any form, try all ways to clarify matters compared to people who knows what they really are doing than they will let time speak for itself and NOT you standing OUT be a hero to clarify.
Just look at the approach adults handle difficulties and problems, than you will see another perspective.
It's NOT a practise of Businessman/Businesswoman to discuss Businesses through this channel, grow up (mentally) and observe how Businesses really function!
I'll let you win since you want it so badly. For me, i feel nothing, whether someone actually wants to really understand more in depth, that person will take a netural approach, and be open to anything, and everything listen than consider.
Winning this debate or losing doesn't concerns me at all for I get NOTHING out of this process. BUT for you, you DIE DIE have to win because you have a MOTIVE to WIN this DEBATE but I HAVE NO MOTIVE!
What I want to do here is simple - allow people to get a better understanding of what they are throwing themselves in for before they sign it.
My stand is CLEAR - I am here to share, I will only share with people who are keen to listen, not people who wants to defend themselves or anything.
IN LAYMAN TERMS - I SPEAK (meet and discuss) ONLY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO MENTAL BLOCK, PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO LISTEN.
For now, you are just challenging me with the purpose of winning a debate, I am not here to challenge nor debate on anything.
I am just here to share what I know and how to actually make a sound decision.
you method of looking at an investment plan is SHORT-SIGHTED to be honest.
Again like what I've told Laurence, if you want to know how to have make and arrive at a SOUND decision, you jolly well go listen to more REAL INVESTMENTS OFFERED OUTSIDE and COMPARE THE DIFFERENCES.
- Don't just look at the sky from inside the well, jump out and you will see a much bigger picture of the sky. -
more and more general statements. concepts, wishy washy rhetorics
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I dun really get wats going on here... though i've put in $$ for 2 gold partners in the proj. the issue abt products... anyone has any experience to back up their claims that NTI dun have the products etc? coz juz last month i juz redeemed a aroma therapy and the mth before i redeemed a Lanvin watch since my mall points are just sitting there. not only that, i've just used some of my points to redeem a bottle of honey, birds' nest and essence of ostrich (sounds interesting yeah) so can someone pls specifically tell me which are the products that i cant redeem that are in the showcase or website so that i wont redeem it for nothing?
anyway for the reliability of the proj... NTI has been organising trips to taichung for ppl who have put $$ in (not just managers of high ranking personnel) so that they can test the wireless technology there with their own laptops/pdas etc. I went over last month and basically tested the seamless network in a bus through the commercial areas and night markets in tai chung. hence i do have the confidence in this proj.
for ppl who have claimed its a scam etc, maybe can provide us with more substantial proof instead of making claims? afterall a number of us have put our hard earned $$ in. thanks -
*shrugs* okay fine big man. you are the man. thanks for letting me 'win'. though i have no idea at all what i have won. but thanks anyway, dont have to get so angry(if u are.) well its very clear you believe i have mental block or something. so really... now its up to the readers to decide who to trust or believe. anyway as much as this doesnt affect you, it doesnt affect me as well =) go figure it out.
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but if its no longer an MLM project, then this topic is already irrelevant to this forum
we got investors forum u noe -
bless youOriginally posted by Mee_Go_Reng:I dun really get wats going on here... though i've put in $$ for 2 gold partners in the proj. the issue abt products... anyone has any experience to back up their claims that NTI dun have the products etc? coz juz last month i juz redeemed a aroma therapy and the mth before i redeemed a Lanvin watch since my mall points are just sitting there. not only that, i've just used some of my points to redeem a bottle of honey, birds' nest and essence of ostrich (sounds interesting yeah) so can someone pls specifically tell me which are the products that i cant redeem that are in the showcase or website so that i wont redeem it for nothing?
anyway for the reliability of the proj... NTI has been organising trips to taichung for ppl who have put $$ in (not just managers of high ranking personnel) so that they can test the wireless technology there with their own laptops/pdas etc. I went over last month and basically tested the seamless network in a bus through the commercial areas and night markets in tai chung. hence i do have the confidence in this proj.
for ppl who have claimed its a scam etc, maybe can provide us with more substantial proof instead of making claims? afterall a number of us have put our hard earned $$ in. thanks
hope you 'really' able to break even than be happy already.
relability or project.
just simple example.
investments- emcom is just another 'financial product'
if you are a smart professional shopper, you will find out more bargain deals.
EXAMPLE: shopping for clothes and shoes. will you buy just from a shop that you first see upon stepping into a shopping centre or would you look and shop around the whole shoppping centres and think than make your choice and buy a product?
if you don't than make the common sense and apply it to financial products too.
likewise when it comes to investment products, refer to certified financial planner and compare their returns and plan than make a decision. (not a hasty decision) nor using greed to make a investment decision
learn how to be a professional shopper. you can refer to Robert Kiyosaki's Retiring Young Retiring Rich Chapter 1 for basic understanding. If you want deeper understanding, refer to Chapters 15-18 if i didnt remember wrongly.
just by dumping all the money into a basket, it's not a wise decision.
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
No need for apologies bro, its ok. But I'm getting more and more lost. Wat exactly is your point? Has it got anything to do with the validity of the project? Whatever you have said was in fact wat alot of us did. I mean who would invest without checking things out? And wat makes you think that people who invested in emcom dumped all their eggs into one basket?? Is that a presumed sweeping statement? The fact that out of so many investements that me and a couple of friends can find, emcom gives one of the highest returns, and isn't returns one of the basis of choosing an investment? Even financial planners do not have plans that provide such returns. Some that i know of even invested in emcom as well. And of course, in terms of risk, the manager who spoke to me is able to produce all relevant documents to prove the existance and validity of emcom taking part in the proj. And a trip to Taichung personally proved everything.
investments- emcom is just another 'financial product'
if you are a smart professional shopper, you will find out more bargain deals.
EXAMPLE: shopping for clothes and shoes. will you buy just from a shop that you first see upon stepping into a shopping centre or would you look and shop around the whole shoppping centres and think than make your choice and buy a product?
if you don't than make the common sense and apply it to financial products too.
[b]likewise when it comes to investment products, refer to certified financial planner and compare their returns and plan than make a decision. (not a hasty decision) nor using greed to make a investment decision
just by dumping all the money into a basket, it's not a wise decision.
sincerely no offence intended in any way, it's better to play safe than to be sorry.[/b]
And talking abt products... my queries abt the redmeption of products still has not been answered. Will someone pls clarify?? I certianly do not wish to redeem any unredeemable products!
Anyway bro fallen, you seem to know alot about investments. You've got any lobang to share? I'll be more than willing to listen to investment plans.
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I heard that Jame Phang is repay all the money too, but to prove it you guys have to ask the investors of MK no us.Originally posted by jonzibonzi:But The jackie in NTI told me they paid back the investors from the magic kingdom project, is that true?
Same answers for lau.