A Job, A Business And MLM
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BTW, this is what I photocopied from a book, if anyone wants to borrow the book, i can tell u guys the name, than go NLB borrow.
I will share the guidelines and factors to take note when going to other mlm companies to determine if the scheme is Pyramid or MLM when I have the time. -
It will be good if it is always so clear cut.
Unfortunately it's not. Avenues of income can be via com from sales of products and recruitment. Some companies, although having the former in the company policy, focus solely on recruitment, and new distributors HAVE to buy products. So isn't it sort of a pyramid already? The product in this case is mucham a formality...
Guess the line isn't too clear... -
yep..from wad i heard from sum1 under a dm...he din reli sell tt much product tt promoted him and enable him to earn tt much..it was thru recruiting...
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The following pointers are just some basic briefing of which everybody should kown so as to not be tricked into similar schemes, if there's any questions from anyone, just PM me.
Point No 2 -Pyramid
Often their usual practise will be to encourage people to sign up for the Promotion Package on the sport Rather Than letting the clients/prospect take the Information of the Offer to go back and discuss + decide at their own pace.
Offers are always being given to only those who sign on the spot, and a lot of emphasis on what will happen and what will they Lose out if they didn't purchase the Promotion on the spot.
Often those who function in Pyramid structure will not attempt to contact the person who's not interested after 1st time of contact and knowing the person aren't interested, the agent will than divert their attention to get more Victims/Clients (if the agents they themselves don't know their in a pyramid scheme)
MLM - Often the agents of various MLM companies will be patient and sincere to share the promotion with their friends and clients, if they don't want, they will add on to say - 'i'll update you if there's any new promotion'
Of course, the pyramid scheme agents will also update the clients, if they want to cheat their money, but at such circumstances, you have to observed how they carry it (the idea & message) across to you, if they allow you to take time to analysis it on yourself [for detailed version, those who are interested,we can meet face to face to discuss more]
Point No 3 - Pyramid
Often when the Pyramid/Money Game's Agents bring the idea across to the prospect/victim, they will emphasis on I) MONEY $_$ & II)Opportunity to Earn FAST BIG BUCKS WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING
Often products are not being introduced to the prospect, if there is, very often products that comes with the compensation scheme will be of Little or NO VALUE such as Paper (contract) and maybe some cheap items like glass bottles or small gifts that can be found easily in the market.
Products are used in the event of those experienced Pyramid Scheme Leaders, and if they don't offer any products, but THEY MAKE IT A POINT TO DISPLAY PRODUCTS IN THEIR SHOWROOM to give clients a false impression that they have those products.
But very often during the whole discussion and sharing, they the agents of the pyramid scheme will not touch on any product that they have in the show room.
They will just emphasis on how safe the investments are with them, and focus on a PERSON (Superstar) who has earned that amount of money per month.
NOTE: They will not place the attention on other agents/clients who earned money, as they are not earning as much as the SUPER-STAR who is the pioneer in the Money Game.
MLM - Often only those RESPONSIBLE AGENTS will make it an attempt to share with the clients how the products can help the prospects and how they can share the products with their friends and family memebers to maybe just earn an SMALL Amount of Refferal Commission. [this is to let clients have residual icome just be introducing products to their friends] and the agent will help them plan and place the products in a way to enable the clients higher refferal pay-out.
Point No 4 - Pyramid
Every Single Pyramid scheme will enforce the clients/prospects to JOIN THE SCHEME INORDER TO TAKE PART!!
For those people who knows that it's a Pyramid Scheme, but still join just to make quick bucks (often will give their friends a reply once the scheme is declared by NEWS it's a Pyramid/ILLEGAL SCHEME by saying - "Hey, I'm also a VICTIM HERE" [ but deep down, they already pocketd the commission that they earn, and disappear elsewhere already.
MLM - Customers usually can buy the products from the agents, and the agents are more than happy to help their friends (clients) to buy and deliever to them without them signing up with the company, all they do is to buy the product that their friends want and have the Cash On Delivery system.
Point No 5 - Pyramid
Usually while in the sharing of the Pyramid/Money Game Scheme, the focus of the whole ideas and information shared with the VICTIM/Prospect will focus on TWO FACTORS; 1-FAST EASY NO RISK $_$; 2-YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING, JUST 'INVEST $$ SIT AND WAIT TO COLLECT R.O.I/DIVIDENDS'
Sounds FIRMILAR perhaps?
MLM - The Agents will be able to promise them a certain percentage of commission pay-out and the pay-out is not very high, as it's the rebate that they get from purchasing the products. (Like NTUC/POPULAR Membership Card - You buy an item, show your Membership Card to the cashier, you get 10% discount [for popular ; products with Net Price are not included]
But for PYRAMID , they can tell you that you BUY this Item/Promotional Package, you buy 1, we give you 10 if not more when you made a purchase. IS it logical? - You buy 1 item and get 10, such a way to run Business = Sure Collaspe in No time. Take a Look at the Banks, if they can't offer High Interest Rates, than it's logical, as they are not playing our money with HIGH RISK STOCKS which can have HIGH RETURNS BUT ONLY WHEN CLIENTS CAN AFFORD TO LOSE, WHICH IS WHY banks CAN'T GIVE HIGH RETURNS. (I have a article on this playing of stocks, next time than show it to you all
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Point No 6- Pyramid
They usually last only for a short shelf life of 2-3yrs only.
Only those people who join at the very PIONEER will be able to earn money (not just money, but higher returns than anybody else who joins later - Early Bird Programme - To MAKE USE OF THE GREED FACTOR what everyone of US have inside) [Details on why I say so, we'll Discuss FACE TO FACE as it's a bit advance thus I don't want to complicate those newbies who don't know about identifying of Pyramid Schemes.]
MLM - Those who join later, can overtake those who join earlier if they work harder. Simple as that.
If there's any questions, kindly PM me for More DETAILS. I am happy that I can help in any way Possible. -
the above post (with picture) inculded are just purely basic knowledge that everyone should know.
however, mlm companies, are futher SUB-DIVIDED into different grades, from 0-star to 6-star companies
why i classify it from 0-6 is due to simplicity, and with reference to similar rankings to Hotels for easier identification.
there are various different tricks used by different grade of Star MLM companies, thus regarding that, (like i always say) if there's anybody interested in wanting to know more about the different stars' mlm companies methods and approach, feel free to let me know via PM.
only those who are keen and serious in knowing more in details are encouraged to PM me to arrange to meet in person for discussion.
Disclaimer (as always)
Purpose of meeting is purely to share guidelines and experience which I've being through since I was once a Victim of Pyramid Scheme Before!!
But not to worry, my comments are not bias in any way. I will provide a balance point of view for each of you to decide if you want to accept what i share with you all.
Note :
Even if a person enters a 6-Star Hotel/MLM company, if the client/customer/propsect are (just Un-lucky) to meet up with an In-Experienced Service Staff whom has just join / is relatively new at work, do not comdemn the Whole Hotel Just because of 1 Service Staff.
There are somethings which are beyond control, like for example; if there's no proper job delication accordingly to different service staffs' standard and knowledge, than we(as clients/prospects/customers) happens to ask the wrong person, than it's partially our own fault for not finding the right person to ask. [Should there be any similar experience felt by some readers here, than perhaps you all know what to do, kindly refer to another service staff for more information so as to get the answer that you're happy with.]
[Not to push all the fault to the clients/prospects/customers] It is often very much FIRST the fault of the Hotels/MLM companies that they didn't have proper CONTROL measures to prevent such incidents from hapening due to Busy Operation on Daily Basis. As there's always people coming in and out of work. So kindly please be a bit understanding and seek clarification if we(as clients/prospects/customers) are not satisfied with their answer. We can request to speak to the person who's in-charge, but do So (by requesting Politely)
The above phase are what I went through when i was working at a 5-star hotel, so I appear to all readers to be understanding and Tolerant. Speak up if not satisfied, but do so with grace and manners.
Thank You
the_fallen -
My POV is that people who will be very successful in MLM possess these distinctive traits :-
1. They are very well-liked by everyone - family, relatives, friends, etc, for
their helpfulness, sense of humour, honesty, reliability, positive attitude
and humility.
2. They have a wide circle of friends who share similar perspectives of life,
business and goals.
3. They are able to make new friends easily through their easy-going nature
and more often than not, they have excellent People Skills.
4. They can speak well on a wide variety of topics based on their never-
ending quest to improve themselves.
In Singapore's history, there were many such people but in our present day and time, it might be difficult to find such people. An affluent society like Singapore leads to a large majority of its citizens being spoilt and spoilt for choice.
If you have the above traits, you should not focus all your network building in Singapore. You will have a higher chance of making it real big if you go global PICKING people you know who share the same traits as you OR who are willing to adopt your personal principles.
I mentioned this in another thread - MLM is NOT for everyone. -
corrections to your 1st point..Originally posted by MamaRos:My POV is that people who will be very successful in MLM possess these distinctive traits :-
1. They are very well-liked by everyone - family, relatives, friends, etc, for
their helpfulness, sense of humour, honesty, reliability, positive attitude
and humility.
2. They have a wide circle of friends who share similar perspectives of life,
business and goals.
3. They are able to make new friends easily through their easy-going nature
and more often than not, they have excellent People Skills.
4. They can speak well on a wide variety of topics based on their never-
ending quest to improve themselves.
In Singapore's history, there were many such people but in our present day and time, it might be difficult to find such people. An affluent society like Singapore leads to a large majority of its citizens being spoilt and spoilt for choice.
If you have the above traits, you should not focus all your network building in Singapore. You will have a higher chance of making it real big if you go global PICKING people you know who share the same traits as you OR who are willing to adopt your personal principles.
I mentioned this in another thread - MLM is NOT for everyone.
to date, not all mlm agents nor leaders are well-like by their family members...
maybe it's true in other countries due to zero skeptism towards mlm, but currently it's different in Singapore.
From the threads that you've posted, you sound like a person who knows your stuff, but maybe a bit TOO One Sided towards MLM.
Do have some kind of Balance, so that you're post will be neutral for readers to read. As there's still people who don't understand MLM, so thus thre's no point in saying that MLM is so good that there's no Disadvantage at the current situation in Singapore.
To be factual, there are..Just don't be too one-sided towards mlm..
(if there's a chance, i hope to know you in person)
Peace
the_fallen -
Ermm, fallen. I have mentioned in the LF thread that I am not a distributor BUT I have worked for many years in a MLM company as a Product Trainer. Well...that job more like 'bao ka liao' coz I had to plan the company's events and consolidate materials for their inhouse magazine. I left because it was too stressful for me and the working hrs were ridiculously long.
As I see MLM from the company's point of view, please pardon me if you feel I am too 'pro' MLM. In a way, I am as I had to make it a point to know what kind of company plus what kind of business I was working for.
In my previous job, I had to interact with distributors and I met ALL kinds of people. In a way, MLM either brings out the best or the worst of people. Those who are systematically drawing a regular bonus cheque possessed the qualities I listed down in my earlier post. However, those anti-MLM members here have their reasons for being so against MLM. This I can understand as I have met decent people who were hoodwinked into joining a biz they have absolutely no idea what it entailed.
It is not so much about the MLM being a shady industry but rather, I must say, it's the people, the bad hat distributors who give the industry such a bad name.
Anyone can get into a MLM company if he/she is above 18 yrs of age. There is no discrimination on sex, race, religion, physical appearance, state of health or even state of mind! Sorry... there are ex patients of IMH who were even lured to join MLM...serious, not joking hor.
The emphasis of MLM is on equal opportunity for all.
So, along with the genuine entrepreneurs, we can expect Ah Bengs, Ah Lians, loansharks, drug addicts, the handicapped, gangsters sitting together with U grads, professionals like dentists, teachers, lecturers, etc in opportunity meetings. Unfortunately, it's not just the illiterate or lower class citizens who ignorantly mislead others into the biz. There will always be the odd numbers of professionals who use their intelligence to manipulate people into the biz too. It is the greed, avarice or sheer desparation of this breed of people that create their own MLM rules and most of them are top leaders too.
Please forgive me if I sound like a snob but I am not talking nonsense.
There are people who joined MLM because in this industry, recognition and awards are given for those who achieved a higher pin level. Recognition on stage is a very powerful and exhilirating experience for people who have never been appreciated in public before.
There are people who joined MLM because of the feeling of power. Power of being upline to hundreds of downlines - people who are total strangers but who belonged to his/her group.
There are also people who joined MLM because they can earn a side income, albeit not much, but suffice for them to pay for their children's tuition fees or pay the household bills.
Sorry...I am very long-winded. I'll stop here.
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Since mlm is so good, why did you not convert to mlmer instead of a product trainer? Are you saying it is so good but you yourself wun join? There must be something holding you back?Originally posted by MamaRos:Ermm, fallen. I have mentioned in the LF thread that I am not a distributor BUT I have worked for many years in a MLM company as a Product Trainer. Well...that job more like 'bao ka liao' coz I had to plan the company's events and consolidate materials for their inhouse magazine. I left because it was too stressful for me and the working hrs were ridiculously long.
As I see MLM from the company's point of view, please pardon me if you feel I am too 'pro' MLM. In a way, I am as I had to make it a point to know what kind of company plus what kind of business I was working for.
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Anyone can get into a MLM company if he/she is above 18 yrs of age.
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Some companies I know have poeple who are below 18. 15, 16, 17s. And they are a DSAS member.
Anyway, nowadays, if you want power/recognition/money, esp money, join government. haha -
point notedOriginally posted by MamaRos:Ermm, fallen. I have mentioned in the LF thread that I am not a distributor BUT I have worked for many years in a MLM company as a Product Trainer. Well...that job more like 'bao ka liao' coz I had to plan the company's events and consolidate materials for their inhouse magazine. I left because it was too stressful for me and the working hrs were ridiculously long.
As I see MLM from the company's point of view, please pardon me if you feel I am too 'pro' MLM. In a way, I am as I had to make it a point to know what kind of company plus what kind of business I was working for.
In my previous job, I had to interact with distributors and I met ALL kinds of people. In a way, MLM either brings out the best or the worst of people. Those who are systematically drawing a regular bonus cheque possessed the qualities I listed down in my earlier post. However, those anti-MLM members here have their reasons for being so against MLM. This I can understand as I have met decent people who were hoodwinked into joining a biz they have absolutely no idea what it entailed.
It is not so much about the MLM being a shady industry but rather, I must say, it's the people, the bad hat distributors who give the industry such a bad name.
Anyone can get into a MLM company if he/she is above 18 yrs of age. There is no discrimination on sex, race, religion, physical appearance, state of health or even state of mind! Sorry... there are ex patients of IMH who were even lured to join MLM...serious, not joking hor.
The emphasis of MLM is on equal opportunity for all.
So, along with the genuine entrepreneurs, we can expect Ah Bengs, Ah Lians, loansharks, drug addicts, the handicapped, gangsters sitting together with U grads, professionals like dentists, teachers, lecturers, etc in opportunity meetings. Unfortunately, it's not just the illiterate or lower class citizens who ignorantly mislead others into the biz. There will always be the odd numbers of professionals who use their intelligence to manipulate people into the biz too. It is the greed, avarice or sheer desparation of this breed of people that create their own MLM rules and most of them are top leaders too.
Please forgive me if I sound like a snob but I am not talking nonsense.
There are people who joined MLM because in this industry, recognition and awards are given for those who achieved a higher pin level. Recognition on stage is a very powerful and exhilirating experience for people who have never been appreciated in public before.
There are people who joined MLM because of the feeling of power. Power of being upline to hundreds of downlines - people who are total strangers but who belonged to his/her group.
There are also people who joined MLM because they can earn a side income, albeit not much, but suffice for them to pay for their children's tuition fees or pay the household bills.
Sorry...I am very long-winded. I'll stop here.
from your reply,
i presume that you have much more negative reasons of mlm over positive reasons thus contributing to you maintaining your status as a product trainer rather than a networker..
if you see yourself wanting to work in a mlm company..
i can help you do an analysis.
see what type of beliefs and character you belongs to and do a matching to different mlm companies.
don't worry, i will not advertise for my own mlm company, coz i believe you know what you want...thus your mind is clearer than other people..
a mind that can't be infulenced..
can we meet up and perhaps discuss on general mlm, if you like, we can scale down to details as well.
cheers,
ryan -
hi ryan.Originally posted by the_fallen:............
if you see yourself wanting to work in a mlm company..
i can help you do an analysis.
see what type of beliefs and character you belongs to and do a matching to different mlm companies.
don't worry, i will not advertise for my own mlm company, coz i believe you know what you want...thus your mind is clearer than other people..
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I do not believe you dun have even a tiny bit of selfishness to recruit/advertise ur company
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fallen, or may I address you as Ryan, as to why I am not a networker is due to a couple of reasons that has nothing to do with the general public's misconceptions of MLM. Oh ya, I know that just as there is a job match so is there a need for a biz match in MLM for prospects.Originally posted by the_fallen:point noted
from your reply,
i presume that you have much more negative reasons of mlm over positive reasons thus contributing to you maintaining your status as a product trainer rather than a networker..
if you see yourself wanting to work in a mlm company..
i can help you do an analysis.
see what type of beliefs and character you belongs to and do a matching to different mlm companies.
don't worry, i will not advertise for my own mlm company, coz i believe you know what you want...thus your mind is clearer than other people..
a mind that can't be infulenced..
can we meet up and perhaps discuss on general mlm, if you like, we can scale down to details as well.
cheers,
ryan
My previous post pin-pointed what can go wrong if the 'wrong' (ill-suited) people are recruited as distributors. This is more for those members who are reading this thread, those who are adamantly against MLM. In a way, I hope my replies can also help present MLMers to understand the pitfalls of random sponsoring.
Many people or most people are drawn to money-making opportunities. This does not necessarily mean they are prospective con-artistes. Like someone mentioned in either this thread or another thread in this forum, con-artistes can be found in literally ALL types of businesses and jobs. Fortunately, the numbers are few. Even more fortunately, almost all of them are nabbed and duly charged in the court of law.
In the MLM industry, it takes just a handful of bad apples to spoil the whole basket. Just as there are many who will speak well of their particular company there are a few who will speak ill of the said company.
Negative feedback is most harmful becos it is insidious, just like cancer it spreads. You see, even if a person is initially unbias towards MLM, he will have doubts planted into his head when he hears not very nice things about this and that company. He will be ultra cautious. When he hears from another source that MLM is not a feasible biz, he might develop skeptism about the industry. IF, by any chance, he decided to see for himself if all the negative input he received are true, his skeptism will over rule his initial open-mindedness. So, basically, he will be looking for affirmation as to why his friends said what they said.
[i](I used 'he' for easier reading. Apologies to the ladies here)
I think our attitude towards salespeople attempting to pitch their wares is a mindset. If some MLMers use the same kind of approach as salespeople, it is no wonder people 'syum' them bah.
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believe or not, it's up to your personal attempt to meet me..Originally posted by sonic_16:hi ryan.
I do not believe you dun have even a tiny bit of selfishness to recruit/advertise ur company
Let's be realistic.
it depends on how professional a person can be..
with that, i shall not go on to defend how good/bad i am, coz i know myself best.
and no doubt, i did help some of the people here, maybe just a handful...and i thank you them for trusting me to meet up..
but i shall not reveal their names nor nick to saveguard their privacy..
to date, i've spoke to none of the people during the meeting/appointment of casual talk or sharing with regards to introducing my company..
you can doubt...but there's nothing to gain from doubting me right?
if you keep thinking and thinking, there's no answer, the only answer that you will get is increasing of doubt and get suspicious..
if you want to clarify your doubts..just a meet up will solve your queries..as well as doubts
but of course, since you're not a professional in mlm, i will dress down to normal t-shirt and pants to give you the feel at ease feeling rather than the normal formal which networkers use to be in..which gives people a sense of mlm aura when they speak.. (in casual wear, my tone will be as normal friends - just sharing)
just name a place, time, as long as i'm able to reach there on time after my day job, than i'll see you..
just let me know via PM..
should you decide to change your mind. -
now that you've reminded me - there's this company which also tricks people into believing that mlm is a admin job via a job-match...i personally was being tricked by this method before..Originally posted by MamaRos:fallen, or may I address you as Ryan, as to why I am not a networker is due to a couple of reasons that has nothing to do with the general public's misconceptions of MLM. Oh ya, I know that just as there is a job match so is there a need for a biz match in MLM for prospects.
My previous post pin-pointed what can go wrong if the 'wrong' (ill-suited) people are recruited as distributors. This is more for those members who are reading this thread, those who are adamantly against MLM. In a way, I hope my replies can also help present MLMers to understand the pitfalls of random sponsoring.
Many people or most people are drawn to money-making opportunities. This does not necessarily mean they are prospective con-artistes. Like someone mentioned in either this thread or another thread in this forum, con-artistes can be found in literally ALL types of businesses and jobs. Fortunately, the numbers are few. Even more fortunately, almost all of them are nabbed and duly charged in the court of law.
In the MLM industry, it takes just a handful of bad apples to spoil the whole basket. Just as there are many who will speak well of their particular company there are a few who will speak ill of the said company.
Negative feedback is most harmful becos it is insidious, just like cancer it spreads. You see, even if a person is initially unbias towards MLM, he will have doubts planted into his head when he hears not very nice things about this and that company. He will be ultra cautious. When he hears from another source that MLM is not a feasible biz, he might develop skeptism about the industry. IF, by any chance, he decided to see for himself if all the negative input he received are true, his skeptism will over rule his initial open-mindedness. So, basically, he will be looking for affirmation as to why his friends said what they said.
[i](I used 'he' for easier reading. Apologies to the ladies here)
I think our attitude towards salespeople attempting to pitch their wares is a mindset. If some MLMers use the same kind of approach as salespeople, it is no wonder people 'syum' them bah.
Your 2nd paragraphs do certainly help a one way or another..mostly for in-experience mlm agents, which is also partially the reason why i seriously and sincerely have no motive in meeting and sharing with my knowledge with people from sgforums..unless they themselves asked, if not i will just hope to be normal friends..
i would use the word most to replace the some, because most mlm agents are either un-trained to be professional enough, thus they can't be professional enough to meet up with me nor at least chat/discuss with me in this forum..
fortunately, for you, you're a positive and neutral person as well..thus i find it good to like discuss with you..
if hope that if there's any chance, perhaps we can get to know each other as friends. -
just because someone else is also cheating dosen't justify your cheating..Originally posted by the_fallen:Part II
my friend, let’s TAKE A LOOK at the thread title – it’s A Job, A Business, and MLM, it’s to discuss on all 3 topics, so lets not cloud this MLM stigma that you have in here, if you want, start another thread, than I’ll answer your questions – if you’re questions are basic, for advanced questions with detail explanation – I will only bother to answer those people face to face. Since it’s a huge topic, so let’s not cloud this thread with unrelated Pure MLM issues before this thread starts to be another mlm thread again.
Concentrate on the comparison which is the primary purpose of this thread.
Do take note of that.
However to answer to your question.
Are you sure that itÂ’s only MLM industry which is/are lying to people?
Do you know that EVEN the so call ‘Charity Tickets’ that the so call volunteers are selling doesn’t all goes to charity.
IÂ’ve being working for charity tickets in the passed but quit due to guilt after 3 days only.
You know how the so call volunteers earn?
For every $10 you pay for the ticket.
$2-agent commission
$2-the centreÂ’s operating cost
$2-the printing companiesÂ’ cost
$2-the petty cash category expenses
$1-goes to CHARITY
$1-goes to the advertising(looking for so call volunteers to sell tickets)
Most of the Charity Tickets available in the market are being operated like this.
This data is what I know of based in the passed.
You can easily identify those real Charity or Gimmick Charity.
Just look if itÂ’s a big corporation/do the agents of the charity ticket sellers comes back to the same location to sell their tickets.
(Of course, you might want to consider donating to those students in uniform since they DONÂ’T GET PAID, itÂ’s a MUST for them to do it thanks to CIP aka Community Involvement Project- if I didnÂ’t remember wrongly.)
so in future if you want to donate your money, make sure itÂ’s the right person or organization that youÂ’re donating to.
You are just biased of the mlm industry that you made such remarks.
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You quote a whole junk of text without elaborating on your opinion or at least share valueable knowledge for everyone?Originally posted by o0Nite0o:just because someone else is also cheating dosen't justify your cheating..
moreover, i don't get what you trying to mean/hint/suggest via that kind of reply.
perhaps you can rephase and elaborate your point.
until i found a clear and quality reply/quote with proper explaination, i will not explain more, as there at times has the need to use this term "Less is more".
Revealing too much to juniors/rookies in the industry will only complicated things, thus i will explain futher when there's quality questions being asked. (Since from passed experience not much people actually wanna learn like in the past, only come to forums to flame people, so ya.
Disclaimer: I'm not hinting nor suggesting that you're a flamer, but well, i'll only explain futher when there's a need. Until than, I'll just read and see the progress. -
=) relax dude. I get ur idea. cheers !Originally posted by the_fallen:You quote a whole junk of text without elaborating on your opinion or at least share valueable knowledge for everyone?
moreover, i don't get what you trying to mean/hint/suggest via that kind of reply.
perhaps you can rephase and elaborate your point.
until i found a clear and quality reply/quote with proper explaination, i will not explain more, as there at times has the need to use this term "Less is more".
Revealing too much to juniors/rookies in the industry will only complicated things, thus i will explain futher when there's quality questions being asked. (Since from passed experience not much people actually wanna learn like in the past, only come to forums to flame people, so ya.
Disclaimer: I'm not hinting nor suggesting that you're a flamer, but well, i'll only explain futher when there's a need. Until than, I'll just read and see the progress.