A Job, A Business And MLM
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I joint my company at the age of 18. I worked up the rank for the pass 12 yrs. I start from a salary of $1.2K. After 12 years of hardwork I am rewarded with mthly pay of $4.5K. Good pay good job right. Financial security right. My Axx. Why? I was ask to leave the company after my exiting contract ends, due to my medical problem. Which I had suffered during work.
I saw someone in the forum say he earning $3.5K per mth and think this is gd n secured, Think again.
Due to the lay off n unable to find a job which can offer me the same rewards. I decided to start a business with some partners. So we get a fren who are expert in aquarium fish business to joint us as advisor to the new start-up.
As a start everything were great n we r making money at the first mth.
As we have lots of linkage with suppliers from the source country. We get the raw stock at very low price, giving us advantages over everyone in e area.
Then things start to fall apart, our fish seem to die every other day, in numbers. After investigation, we suspect someone has poison our tanks. Since then we lost a lot of customer, cos when they bought the sick fish home they die. Although we r not lossing $, but we decided to close it.
Now we r running a business selling frozen seafood. Our product can be seen in supermarkets n restaurants. The biz mordel is simple but its not easy at all. We spent a lot of time on it n we r only manage to get $1-2K per pax per mth.
All building start from the ground, we r looking forward to build the biz to a greater height. So for ppl who think tat biz is easy n u dun need money to made money its bull Sxxt. Alot of hard work, n its a gamble of 50-50.
So how abt MLM?
I see ppl success and fail in MLM. Wats their diif?
The successful one, they run the network as though its their own business. As for the failure the do it like they r a salesman from the company.
If I want to be a salesman I will joint a company tats will pay me a basic salary, commmission, car allowance etc..... Why should I joint a MLM company? Where I need to joint as a member, stock up thousands of dollars of products?
So u c in MLM ppl r always talking abt passive income. Tats means u can dun work for a mth n money will still come. So can a salesman affort this luxury?
How abt the business man approach?
If you build a MLM biz like you are building a biz of ur own. U will want to find the best biz partner ri. Then u need to recruit manager, u need the admit clark, e recept, the salesman.
So tis ppl dun jz look for any dumb Axx n get them to joint their Network, they want ppl tats know how to work the biz. Or sick ppl tat hopefully will get heal by their product, which in turn bring them sales. Not even those broke ppl that wants to made 5 figure income in 3 mth. Cos this ppl r not being realistic, so most of the time tis ppl will dream to have tats kind of income but do nothing abt it. They r always bz trying to be bz.
I am now invole in a MLM biz oso, its a new start up American company. I am running my team as how I run my company, I have a few leader who received proper training on the biz model. So tat they can train ppl below them. So everyone will be duplicating the same why I run e biz.
But to be frank I really do not know whether ppl at the very bottum is doing wat I have teach them. I hold weekly meetings with all my team leaders for review. I do like to care but I m no Superman or God, I will do my best to fulfill my promise to the ppl tats has joint me in tis Biz.
But, do you as a wise man, think tat the CEO or the Director knows wat is happening at the bottum of the company, where ppl comes n goes every other day? Will they know whether the clark in the customer service is happy or not.
So diff. biz model is for diff. ppl. Be happy with what u r doing. They will always be stories of success and failure in any field of practice. Most Important is u do ur biz with integrity and be ethical. -
You have your points in your posts ~
Lets see what the others says ~ -
Originally posted by foody:
No offense, I had a hard time trying to read your post but I think your message should be in the last line.
I joint my company at the age of 18. I worked up the rank for the pass 12 yrs. I start from a salary of $1.2K. After 12 years of hardwork I am rewarded with mthly pay of $4.5K. Good pay good job right. Financial security right. [b]My Axx. Why? I was ask to leave the company after my exiting contract ends, due to my medical problem. Which I had suffered during work.
I saw someone in the forum say he earning $3.5K per mth and think this is gd n secured, Think again.
Due to the lay off n unable to find a job which can offer me the same rewards. I decided to start a business with some partners. So we get a fren who are expert in aquarium fish business to joint us as advisor to the new start-up.
As a start everything were great n we r making money at the first mth.
As we have lots of linkage with suppliers from the source country. We get the raw stock at very low price, giving us advantages over everyone in e area.
Then things start to fall apart, our fish seem to die every other day, in numbers. After investigation, we suspect someone has poison our tanks. Since then we lost a lot of customer, cos when they bought the sick fish home they die. Although we r not lossing $, but we decided to close it.
Now we r running a business selling frozen seafood. Our product can be seen in supermarkets n restaurants. The biz mordel is simple but its not easy at all. We spent a lot of time on it n we r only manage to get $1-2K per pax per mth.
All building start from the ground, we r looking forward to build the biz to a greater height. So for ppl who think tat biz is easy n u dun need money to made money its bull Sxxt. Alot of hard work, n its a gamble of 50-50.
So how abt MLM?
I see ppl success and fail in MLM. Wats their diif?
The successful one, they run the network as though its their own business. As for the failure the do it like they r a salesman from the company.
If I want to be a salesman I will joint a company tats will pay me a basic salary, commmission, car allowance etc..... Why should I joint a MLM company? Where I need to joint as a member, stock up thousands of dollars of products?
So u c in MLM ppl r always talking abt passive income. Tats means u can dun work for a mth n money will still come. So can a salesman affort this luxury?
How abt the business man approach?
If you build a MLM biz like you are building a biz of ur own. U will want to find the best biz partner ri. Then u need to recruit manager, u need the admit clark, e recept, the salesman.
So tis ppl dun jz look for any dumb Axx n get them to joint their Network, they want ppl tats know how to work the biz. Or sick ppl tat hopefully will get heal by their product, which in turn bring them sales. Not even those broke ppl that wants to made 5 figure income in 3 mth. Cos this ppl r not being realistic, so most of the time tis ppl will dream to have tats kind of income but do nothing abt it. They r always bz trying to be bz.
I am now invole in a MLM biz oso, its a new start up American company. I am running my team as how I run my company, I have a few leader who received proper training on the biz model. So tat they can train ppl below them. So everyone will be duplicating the same why I run e biz.
But to be frank I really do not know whether ppl at the very bottum is doing wat I have teach them. I hold weekly meetings with all my team leaders for review. I do like to care but I m no Superman or God, I will do my best to fulfill my promise to the ppl tats has joint me in tis Biz.
But, do you as a wise man, think tat the CEO or the Director knows wat is happening at the bottum of the company, where ppl comes n goes every other day? Will they know whether the clark in the customer service is happy or not.
So diff. biz model is for diff. ppl. Be happy with what u r doing. They will always be stories of success and failure in any field of practice. Most Important is u do ur biz with integrity and be ethical.[/b]
I agree with the last sentence 100%. But ethics are different from people to people. Do take note of it. Not everyone shares the same code of ethics.
doko -
Back to the ethics issue again.Originally posted by dokono:No offense, I had a hard time trying to read your post but I think your message should be in the last line.
I agree with the last sentence 100%. But ethics are different from people to people. Do take note of it. Not everyone shares the same code of ethics.
doko -
Ethics is just a word.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Back to the ethics issue again.
I watched the anime bleach and realised that the bad guy ''Aizen-sama" mentioned he is not bounded by ethics.
What Im trying to say is there are people like the character Aizen sama who don't give a damn about standard acceptable morals in society.
doko -
Ya there will be people who stand at the side of ethics too.Originally posted by dokono:Ethics is just a word.
I watched the anime bleach and realised that the bad guy ''Aizen-sama" mentioned he is not bounded by ethics.
What Im trying to say is there are people like the character Aizen sama who don't give a damn about standard acceptable morals in society.
doko
No matter its in the biz world or ourside world, there is always these 2 kind of people exist
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saddam thinks his ethics are just and fair.
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Its very hard to run away from ethics, coz it can piss off the consumers, and less money coming in.
Simple concept, numerous examples, but stil neglected.
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I guess what hes trying to say is its a legitimate business...if done correctly...
yet...
Sadly people who dun know the first thing about running a business...is tarnishing the rep. of this form of business also known as MLM...
Yet kudos for your success man...
Now if only everybody else can do sort of the same thing... -
Thats why we always say in any industry there is alway some black sheep who don't follow the ethics and create a bad name for the whole pack.
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The whole idear of MLM is to help average ppl to reach success with a litle start up capital.
E main fouce should be u helping ur downline to reach success.
Instead of try to recruit as many as u can n made them buy up thousands of product, so tat u can earn fast $.
But as everyone has said everything has two side. There will be ppl running legal casino n those illegal one.
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i feel dat out of the many topics in seen here, this topic is the most dat i can learn.
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A Job = Listen to Orders, either you do it (even if its against your will, or you will be axed from the company)Originally posted by foody:I joint my company at the age of 18. I worked up the rank for the pass 12 yrs. I start from a salary of $1.2K. After 12 years of hardwork I am rewarded with mthly pay of $4.5K. Good pay good job right. Financial security right. [b]My Axx. Why? I was ask to leave the company after my exiting contract ends, due to my medical problem. Which I had suffered during work.
I saw someone in the forum say he earning $3.5K per mth and think this is gd n secured, Think again.
Due to the lay off n unable to find a job which can offer me the same rewards. I decided to start a business with some partners. So we get a fren who are expert in aquarium fish business to joint us as advisor to the new start-up.
As a start everything were great n we r making money at the first mth.
As we have lots of linkage with suppliers from the source country. We get the raw stock at very low price, giving us advantages over everyone in e area.
Then things start to fall apart, our fish seem to die every other day, in numbers. After investigation, we suspect someone has poison our tanks. Since then we lost a lot of customer, cos when they bought the sick fish home they die. Although we r not lossing $, but we decided to close it.
Now we r running a business selling frozen seafood. Our product can be seen in supermarkets n restaurants. The biz mordel is simple but its not easy at all. We spent a lot of time on it n we r only manage to get $1-2K per pax per mth.
All building start from the ground, we r looking forward to build the biz to a greater height. So for ppl who think tat biz is easy n u dun need money to made money its bull Sxxt. Alot of hard work, n its a gamble of 50-50.
So how abt MLM?
I see ppl success and fail in MLM. Wats their diif?
The successful one, they run the network as though its their own business. As for the failure the do it like they r a salesman from the company.
If I want to be a salesman I will joint a company tats will pay me a basic salary, commmission, car allowance etc..... Why should I joint a MLM company? Where I need to joint as a member, stock up thousands of dollars of products?
So u c in MLM ppl r always talking abt passive income. Tats means u can dun work for a mth n money will still come. So can a salesman affort this luxury?
How abt the business man approach?
If you build a MLM biz like you are building a biz of ur own. U will want to find the best biz partner ri. Then u need to recruit manager, u need the admit clark, e recept, the salesman.
So tis ppl dun jz look for any dumb Axx n get them to joint their Network, they want ppl tats know how to work the biz. Or sick ppl tat hopefully will get heal by their product, which in turn bring them sales. Not even those broke ppl that wants to made 5 figure income in 3 mth. Cos this ppl r not being realistic, so most of the time tis ppl will dream to have tats kind of income but do nothing abt it. They r always bz trying to be bz.
I am now invole in a MLM biz oso, its a new start up American company. I am running my team as how I run my company, I have a few leader who received proper training on the biz model. So tat they can train ppl below them. So everyone will be duplicating the same why I run e biz.
But to be frank I really do not know whether ppl at the very bottum is doing wat I have teach them. I hold weekly meetings with all my team leaders for review. I do like to care but I m no Superman or God, I will do my best to fulfill my promise to the ppl tats has joint me in tis Biz.
But, do you as a wise man, think tat the CEO or the Director knows wat is happening at the bottum of the company, where ppl comes n goes every other day? Will they know whether the clark in the customer service is happy or not.
So diff. biz model is for diff. ppl. Be happy with what u r doing. They will always be stories of success and failure in any field of practice. Most Important is u do ur biz with integrity and be ethical.
In short is act like a dog, follow orders only.
you have to train yourself to take other's people credit if you want a good future/ boot-licking / use other crooked ways
it's a dog VS dog world, the big bully the small. the winner takes all!!
if you are weak, you will not be in a good spot (the same goes to a business)
2nd animal - work like a water buffaloes, ones you cant produce results - Out you go.
3rd animal that we are being trained into is to be a horse - dragging our feets to the office (relucatantly get to the starting line, but all happy to rush to the finishing line (6pm end work).
4th animal - after work, if u have babies or kids, you act like a monkey trying to hoax your kids to laughter.
working in a job, everyone is learning to be animals.. how good is that?
this is just my personal opinion, no offence intended.
Business - You are not a business-owner, but a slave to the business.
why i say so?
1st - the owner/boss of the business (SMEs) opens the shop personally, the first person to reach the office, the last person to leave the office.
2nd - you get the money first, but you don't get paid first,
once month end, you pay
- electrical bills
- products and goods
- rental
- promotion/advertisments
- your employees
- refunds if any
- your employees' OT is necessary and their bonus at yr end
- allocate a certain amount for next month in case meet net loss.
- lastly than you pay yourself (if it's not good, you even have to fork out more from your own pocket)
3rd - if you want to expand your business, you have to do captial rising, make sure every small little business is in excellent order to start expand by offering franchise (often people fail to create a successful franchise model due to lack of management skills, and lack of hindsight/fore-sight)
4th - you have to storm through different crisis. if your capital (pocket) is not deep enough to make sure you can last long, than don't even start doing a business in the first place.
5th - are you sure that you business can't be copied by others?
if can be copied, do you have a strategy that allows you to be market-leader, while everyone is following your foot-steps, you are either 2 or 3 steps ahead of them.
again, if you can't do that, don't waste your time, effort and money on doing a business.
MLM - it's a good marketing strategy no doubt. but many people don't really understand it at all.
examples
1) Gun -
In the hands of a Law-Enforcer (policeman/policewoman), it's meant to help save lives.
In the hands of a Law-Breaker (robber/killer), it's meant to kill or take away lives.
2) House
normal people - they use a house to provide shelter for their family and friends
bad people - they use a house to either as a gambling place / prositution or others.
everything that are 2 sides to it.
It depends on who you mix with and follow to have the right set of knowledge and ethics.
now to touch on the copy-cat
in schools/work/family you cannot be a copy-cat to be successful because everyone is different, but in MLM, it takes a good copy-cat to be successful.
everyone loves to copy others, but are we really working and living in a environment whereby Copying is AOLLWED to make a living?
all you need to do in MLM, is to follow the right person get into the right company, COPY the proven success path and there you will be successful in no time without thinking of how to be innovative (if you are at work or businesses, even in relationships, you also have to make sure you aren't not bored) so what other ways can we still be a copy-cat?
If there is anybody who wants to understand more on the pros & cons of the 3 types - job, business, mlm, just post your queries, i believe there are many people who would like to help. of course, i try my best to give a most- balanced advice. -
i find the description on jobs rather creative.
no offense. -
it's facts of lives that people have to resort to acting and working like animals although we are human.
how harsh is this fact?
look around the people around us.
how many of the working adults really have person recreation time for themselves to enjoy?
not many - it's only the rich who can enjoy themselves.
thus is a sad fact that we still have to act like animals. -
MLM
-Just like people going to Poly.
Employee
-Just like people going to JC
Running Your Own Business
-Like people who studies oversea
understand?
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defenition of JOB Just Over Broke
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foody & the_fallen have pretty much summarised it through & through.
kudos!
yuehan... don't getcha! -
Originally posted by the_fallen:
What if, the upline you follow is perfect, the ppl ard you are perfect.. BUT, in the end, the company faces lawsuits due to the products being verified as useless? how do you gauge what products/companies are "right"?
[b]A Job = Listen to Orders, either you do it (even if its against your will, or you will be axed from the company)
In short is act like a dog, follow orders only.
you have to train yourself to take other's people credit if you want a good future/ boot-licking / use other crooked ways
it's a dog VS dog world, the big bully the small. the winner takes all!!
if you are weak, you will not be in a good spot (the same goes to a business)
2nd animal - work like a water buffaloes, ones you cant produce results - Out you go.
3rd animal that we are being trained into is to be a horse - dragging our feets to the office (relucatantly get to the starting line, but all happy to rush to the finishing line (6pm end work).
4th animal - after work, if u have babies or kids, you act like a monkey trying to hoax your kids to laughter.
working in a job, everyone is learning to be animals.. how good is that?
this is just my personal opinion, no offence intended.
Business - You are not a business-owner, but a slave to the business.
why i say so?
1st - the owner/boss of the business (SMEs) opens the shop personally, the first person to reach the office, the last person to leave the office.
2nd - you get the money first, but you don't get paid first,
once month end, you pay
- electrical bills
- products and goods
- rental
- promotion/advertisments
- your employees
- refunds if any
- your employees' OT is necessary and their bonus at yr end
- allocate a certain amount for next month in case meet net loss.
- lastly than you pay yourself (if it's not good, you even have to fork out more from your own pocket)
3rd - if you want to expand your business, you have to do captial rising, make sure every small little business is in excellent order to start expand by offering franchise (often people fail to create a successful franchise model due to lack of management skills, and lack of hindsight/fore-sight)
4th - you have to storm through different crisis. if your capital (pocket) is not deep enough to make sure you can last long, than don't even start doing a business in the first place.
5th - are you sure that you business can't be copied by others?
if can be copied, do you have a strategy that allows you to be market-leader, while everyone is following your foot-steps, you are either 2 or 3 steps ahead of them.
again, if you can't do that, don't waste your time, effort and money on doing a business.
MLM - it's a good marketing strategy no doubt. but many people don't really understand it at all.
examples
1) Gun -
In the hands of a Law-Enforcer (policeman/policewoman), it's meant to help save lives.
In the hands of a Law-Breaker (robber/killer), it's meant to kill or take away lives.
2) House
normal people - they use a house to provide shelter for their family and friends
bad people - they use a house to either as a gambling place / prositution or others.
everything that are 2 sides to it.
It depends on who you mix with and follow to have the right set of knowledge and ethics.
now to touch on the copy-cat
in schools/work/family you cannot be a copy-cat to be successful because everyone is different, but in MLM, it takes a good copy-cat to be successful.
everyone loves to copy others, but are we really working and living in a environment whereby Copying is AOLLWED to make a living?
all you need to do in MLM, is to follow the right person get into the right company, COPY the proven success path and there you will be successful in no time without thinking of how to be innovative (if you are at work or businesses, even in relationships, you also have to make sure you aren't not bored) so what other ways can we still be a copy-cat?
If there is anybody who wants to understand more on the pros & cons of the 3 types - job, business, mlm, just post your queries, i believe there are many people who would like to help. of course, i try my best to give a most- balanced advice.[/b]
(take shyt and process+purify = Holy shyt @ $1000 a poop, cures all diseases)
i agree with everything you have said above, but there still is a high degree of risk in an MLM business.. Integrity of the top mgt and USP of the product are important, if it is proved to be fraudulent, another dream is shattered esp after putting so much hard work into it..
Pls dont give others the impression that MLM has no downsides except for maybe human failure due to the lack of perserverence and skills etc et.
There still are many other risks which could affect an MLM biz, and i believe that you have just promoted a narrow, one-sided view.. Be fair pls, thank you -
rai, i believe he's not saying mlm is the cure-all.
most businesses have similar characteristics. just different degrees of it. -
He sure paints a beautiful picture of it though..Originally posted by nwm:rai, i believe he's not saying mlm is the cure-all.
most businesses have similar characteristics. just different degrees of it.
I like the way the MLM business is conducted, but many ppl i have met are just joining for the potential of future returns..
Process shyt, you get processed shyt.. At a marked-up price, justified by intangible benefits that are always experienced by their own members..
The reason why i dont join some MLM companies is mostly due to their pricing and the unbelievable benefits that they bring.. If im able to find one that doesnt require me to attend their motivational seminars and to turn into someone superficial(encountered many of them), it may be another option for me.. Any to recommend?
As of now, will rather pump $$ into investments for cap appreciation and inflationary hedge.. -
Disclaimer:Originally posted by raitoh2007:What if, the upline you follow is perfect, the ppl ard you are perfect.. BUT, in the end, the company faces lawsuits due to the products being verified as useless? how do you gauge what products/companies are "right"?
(take shyt and process+purify = Holy shyt @ $1000 a poop, cures all diseases)
i agree with everything you have said above, but there still is a high degree of risk in an MLM business.. Integrity of the top mgt and USP of the product are important, if it is proved to be fraudulent, another dream is shattered esp after putting so much hard work into it..
Pls dont give others the impression that MLM has no downsides except for maybe human failure due to the lack of perserverence and skills etc et.
There still are many other risks which could affect an MLM biz, and i believe that you have just promoted a narrow, one-sided view.. Be fair pls, thank you
IMPT
There's no such term as a Perfect Company/Uplines/Products.
there's only near to perfect (which can be improved in terms of formula of product, operations of company, but for uplines, i can't say near perfect).
Everybody has a weakness somewhere inside, it's only that they the 'so-call' perfect people like what many mlmers proclaimed that their company is 'Perfect' is means that they have NO ROOM for UPGRADING, since they already feel it's perfect, so they will be dying with time as technology improves themselves.
Do take note of that, if a person says there's such a thing as perfect, you might want to re-consider the option of joing your friend/your upline in otherwords.
No matter how good a product/company/uplines a person(agent) it's either he utilize it or abuse it.
Even if there's a Near-Perfect System, Near-Perfect Products, Near-Perfect Uplines, but what if the person who joins isn't Near-Perfect?
Than it simply means that there's a possibility of failing in the industry.
Regarding the failures in MLM, i did mention in other threads.
I can't possibly be repeating the whole same thing in every single thread right? But since you asked, than i'll just give a example.
To know failure rates of each company, it's can be easily made-know.
Just constantly follow up on the updates of each individual company, and goes back to the mlm company (once in a year or twice a year) for updates - of course find different people to bring you there la.
Failure rates = copy cat. Might be contridicting myself, but read on to know why i say so.
Copy-cats type 1 Smart copy cat: copies from the top results student (A), if the student doesn't know a certain answer to a question, he turns to his/her neighbour (B) (another smart fella who often get high grades) than copy the answer that he(A) doesn't know. So with that, he got all correct answers. [possibility of getting even higher marks than both (A) & (B)
To be a good copy-cat, POSITION YOURSELF in a GOOD ENVIRONMENT [in class sit with smarter students] so when it comes to classes exams, they are around you.
Copy-cats type 2 A silly/Dumb copy-cat
A student who knows nothing, acts like he/she knows every single thing or has the knowledge the size of an universe.
Since that student acts like he knows everything, naturally he/she will choose to sit alone, usually at the last corner of the room if not at the very side(near the wall) of the classroom and doing there sitting and TRYING to figure out the answer without asking teachers/lecturers. (Act smart - Smart Alex in other words) so this silly/dumb copy-cat than doesn't mind sitting with students of average if not below average results type of students. (save face - often this happens to guys to the Man's Ego boast during Puberty)
Than what happens when it comes to examination period? that person/student have no smart classmates/students beside them so even if they want to cheat by copying, they will also copy the wrong answers thus having low/bad marks when the result slips are out.
Very often you will observed that the rate of people turnover is tremenously high.
In here, i'm just doing a summary.
Often the failures/drop-outs in mlm are often those people who Try their own ways without much understanding, and break the rules of school/business.
MLM is a business school.
Business Aspect - You get to learn regarding business tatics and maybe even tatics to con people in, which i did learn in NT* previously.
You get to learn how to deal with people (with varieties of problematic people) in real short sum-up.
School - since it's a place whereby we learn and pick up new knowledge, those who refuse or reject the idea and teaching methods of a certain school can choose to drop-out or change schools.
If a student wants to score A* in their results like example in the O/A , GPA results, they MUST follow the teachers/lecturers/facilitators in that school.
So if a student doesn't follow and work hard by putting in effort to learn and practise the whole thing over and over again, will that student get good grades? - I doubt the so unless the person is a gifted, which many of us aren't.
How many of people out of a school can get to the top spot?
I'll downsize it to a Class Level. When you're in class, the top student of each class usually starts to revise their homework before the sch term starts already, while many are still playing, they are either hiding/staying in classrooms/libraries to study while others waste their time. (i'm one of those who waste their time in the passed)
Whether a company/product/upline is good depends on how an individual maximise the potential of the company/product/upline (often leveraging on their practical experience and mistakes learnt in the past)
So if you want to get the best results and in hope of getting/attaining success, find the right upline, right products right company with correct direction and leaders in it.
Am i correct to say so?
In a Nut-Shell, there's no PERFECT system/company/products/people.
I hope this is the balanced reply that you're looking for.
Any queries just let me know.
But for questions regarding choosing the right upline/product/company, i choose not to reply
Reasons:
1) no advertising allowed
2) i don't want to tee-down any company unless they really are Scams.
3) maintain my professionalism
BUT if there's anybody who's keen in finding out, i am willing to share, but of course - i will not tee-up the products/uplines/company like it's god, but rather based it on the observations that I felt when I visit the company, and you guys(those interested) can compare with what you see (& observe last time when you visit the same mlm company) than you guys can make a decision if what i'm saying is logical and if it makes any sense or not.
as for the products - i'll based it on the market potential, the demand and the supply of course another factor to take into consideration is if it's unique or not. (this is the thing that makes money, and if it's useful, effective product, than we will have to take the business point of view to look at the certain product; of course including perspective of consumers and distributors as well to have a balance comparison.)
as for uplines - I strongly decline to comment, since everybody's method is different, so this is up to individual to decide who they want to follow.
my style is democratic, let people choose and decide what they want, rather than force-feeding people with what i want to tell them. -
Fact/ understanding on you word usage - What IF?Originally posted by raitoh2007:What if, the upline you follow is perfect, the ppl ard you are perfect.. BUT, in the end, the company faces lawsuits due to the products being verified as useless? how do you gauge what products/companies are "right"?
(take shyt and process+purify = Holy shyt @ $1000 a poop, cures all diseases)
i agree with everything you have said above, but there still is a high degree of risk in an MLM business.. Integrity of the top mgt and USP of the product are important, if it is proved to be fraudulent, another dream is shattered esp after putting so much hard work into it..
Pls dont give others the impression that MLM has no downsides except for maybe human failure due to the lack of perserverence and skills etc et.
There still are many other risks which could affect an MLM biz, and i believe that you have just promoted a narrow, one-sided view.. Be fair pls, thank you
Disclaimer:
*All examples before are listed with me as example so as to not offen anyone.
Example 1 what if there's a piece of $1000 note (blueprint - a reward has being given any one who finds it, gets a million dollar of reward) just flew in front of you, & you choose to think that it's a fake. It's either you risk it taking the money and keep it, wait til you are in a safe place than check it. Than comes a guy a begger, junk collector - often collects and check for quality before discarding it away. Than before you know it, the next day, he is on the Newspaper headlines for finding the blue-print? Than by than will you be the person sitting at the coffeeshop or star-bucks to complain to your friends on this incident - If i only had taken it blah blah blah kind of topics, you know this type of conversation ya?... (if everything, there's no risk, then there's no classification between the rich and the poor already.)
Example 2
what if there's a heavy downpour, but thanks to the good LTA planing, trees will not be falling easily. Than you trust the LTA and the GOVT, than you drive your car by the express way, than here comes the death god (example - my time is up [touch wood X 10000times] than the lightning strikes the tree, off i go to either heaven or hell
Example 3
what if there's a gal whom I (for example) like very much, dated her for 10yrs since secondary school, she every time will go out with me (example), makes no complaints even though (example me - is a poor peniless guy; despite guys wanting to know her) willing to stay by me for 10 straight years. Than comes the age for marriage. but I didn't grab the chance to POP the question = 'Will You Marry Me' to the gal who stood by me all these years, than another guy asked the question, she accepts despite spending less time with him. Than in the next few years, I see the newspapers featuring that she and her husband created a huge corporation catered for the poor and is a successful corporate company. If I had asked the gal when it's time, than would it be reasonable to say that the guy beside her is me rightfully and should be even more successful, due to the fact that both she and me went through a even harsher time together as being poor? than comes the typical complain etc..
life is about making choices and taking risk.
today if i don't even dare to take risk, than i will be risking my WHOLE life working as an employee with no goals no directions for myself, i'm not the person in control of my own life, my boss, the society, the economic determines my life and how i live it. Than is this the life that i want?
My answer is a NO for sure, thus i choose to learn and accept all money making opportunities and really consider and think long and hard enough to take the DIP into the risk itself.
I rather take risk now than never, for i don't want to risk WASTING MY WHOLE LIFE doing something I'm either Not Proud of, or Not Happy with or even being forced to stay with a work which i'm not happy with just to meet ends' needs (which is miserable). -
The point is not what you want out of life, what im saying is that yr analysis of Job, Biz and MLM is rather one-sided..All points towards MLM as the right choice.. The only downside u assume would be human failure, but i tink mgt and products play the biggest part.. Many promise the impossible, intangible results.. Will you market "bullshyt" to the masses for your personal goals?Originally posted by the_fallen:Fact/ understanding on you word usage - What IF?
Disclaimer:
*All examples before are listed with me as example so as to not offen anyone.
Example 1 what if there's a piece of $1000 note (blueprint - a reward has being given any one who finds it, gets a million dollar of reward) just flew in front of you, & you choose to think that it's a fake. It's either you risk it taking the money and keep it, wait til you are in a safe place than check it. Than comes a guy a begger, junk collector - often collects and check for quality before discarding it away. Than before you know it, the next day, he is on the Newspaper headlines for finding the blue-print? Than by than will you be the person sitting at the coffeeshop or star-bucks to complain to your friends on this incident - If i only had taken it blah blah blah kind of topics, you know this type of conversation ya?... (if everything, there's no risk, then there's no classification between the rich and the poor already.)
Example 2
what if there's a heavy downpour, but thanks to the good LTA planing, trees will not be falling easily. Than you trust the LTA and the GOVT, than you drive your car by the express way, than here comes the death god (example - my time is up [touch wood X 10000times] than the lightning strikes the tree, off i go to either heaven or hell
Example 3
what if there's a gal whom I (for example) like very much, dated her for 10yrs since secondary school, she every time will go out with me (example), makes no complaints even though (example me - is a poor peniless guy; despite guys wanting to know her) willing to stay by me for 10 straight years. Than comes the age for marriage. but I didn't grab the chance to POP the question = 'Will You Marry Me' to the gal who stood by me all these years, than another guy asked the question, she accepts despite spending less time with him. Than in the next few years, I see the newspapers featuring that she and her husband created a huge corporation catered for the poor and is a successful corporate company. If I had asked the gal when it's time, than would it be reasonable to say that the guy beside her is me rightfully and should be even more successful, due to the fact that both she and me went through a even harsher time together as being poor? than comes the typical complain etc..
life is about making choices and taking risk.
today if i don't even dare to take risk, than i will be risking my WHOLE life working as an employee with no goals no directions for myself, i'm not the person in control of my own life, my boss, the society, the economic determines my life and how i live it. Than is this the life that i want?
My answer is a NO for sure, thus i choose to learn and accept all money making opportunities and really consider and think long and hard enough to take the DIP into the risk itself.
I rather take risk now than never, for i don't want to risk WASTING MY WHOLE LIFE doing something I'm either Not Proud of, or Not Happy with or even being forced to stay with a work which i'm not happy with just to meet ends' needs (which is miserable).
Tell me if you feel Proud of, Happy with or Morally-just by selling thrash?
So if ure selling a "scam" product and earning thru that, does that make you close to being a successful individual?
You are such a self-motivated person, congrats.. You are yr own boss, congrats..world peace, prosperity and great health... The Worst of all...
Not implying that all of them are scams, but majority overpriced and overvalued..
BTW, if i receive $$ from the company and have to follow their rules and regulations and not part of the decision-making process, BUT earns alot of $$.. what does that make me? Just a highly paid employee bah... Boss? nah
Theres a whole lot of $$-making opportunities out there, just be careful with what you choose.. tink ethics, not greed.. Hope you guys choose the right miracle product which helps..
*cheers* -
one sided, it might be to some..Originally posted by raitoh2007:The point is not what you want out of life, what im saying is that yr analysis of Job, Biz and MLM is rather one-sided..All points towards MLM as the right choice.. The only downside u assume would be human failure, but i tink mgt and products play the biggest part.. Many promise the impossible, intangible results.. Will you market "bullshyt" to the masses for your personal goals?
Tell me if you feel Proud of, Happy with or Morally-just by selling thrash?
So if ure selling a "scam" product and earning thru that, does that make you close to being a successful individual?
You are such a self-motivated person, congrats.. You are yr own boss, congrats..world peace, prosperity and great health... The Worst of all...
Not implying that all of them are scams, but majority overpriced and overvalued..
BTW, if i receive $$ from the company and have to follow their rules and regulations and not part of the decision-making process, BUT earns alot of $$.. what does that make me? Just a highly paid employee bah... Boss? nah
Theres a whole lot of $$-making opportunities out there, just be careful with what you choose.. tink ethics, not greed.. Hope you guys choose the right miracle product which helps..
*cheers*
it shall be one sided like you said.
i have no problem with that.
i will not change the one sided issue on the JOB category, because it's a fact that 95% of people are working for Money, not their Interest.
As for business, if you want a balance side i can give you examples.
but how many can really set up a business successfully?
money - ethics. well said.
than what about shares, stocks, options - all these will not generate nor create more money.
the money that we have all earned (if we can make profit) are from those people who have lost their money by betting their money on the line to buy a hope with un-educated or with little experience of financial planners or even worse - being conned into investments.
now the business part. business is good..
i didn't say it's bad, i just say that there's rental, overheads, need to stock up on products and is the last person to get paid.
what i'm commenting is for the market of this forum, since i feel (my person gut feeling) that there are little people which can be count by fingers and toes in this very forum who have did businesses before.
i am saying the very lay-man type of con of doing a business- no doubt it's a bit towards one-sided like you said.
but if a person who really has a business mind - he/she will be able to turn those negative (cons of doing a business) into positive.
just that since the audience (majority; what i feel - subjective; need not discuss about this) are of little knowledge of dealing with business. so i'll just say what i feel.
if a person can turn those negative issues into positive or just maybe find a better way or routes to avoid paying for those items, than you are on your own way to become the next entrepreneur - a person who knows how to save and manage the financial statement proper (one who knows how to read and spot the errors in financial statements - than will be able to turn a Loss-Making Company/Business into a profit-making company)
Like wise for starting a business, if a person doesn't have knowledge on financial statements or related knowledge and practical lessons learnt in the passed than it's of a very often (difficult) that that business will be profitable.
today even if i have a lot of business ideas (in-actual fact; i do have, seriously speaking) but having lots of business ideas doesn't make one person grow any richer, it's about application of the idea and turning it into a reality. that's what MAKES money.
business is about finding the right person, knowing their key expertises and placing them at the right position where they are comfortable in, and you as a boss knows how to handle them.
business -what skills do you need?
1-monetary knowledge, any monetary practical experiences will be of an advantage
2-thick skin, if you aren't thick skin enough to handle rejections/disappointments, than be prepared to see the newly set-up business of your collaspe in no time
so KEY-Word over here = NEVER EVER SAY DIE (but put it on the right idea)
3- capital
4- creativity (if you're dealing with ladies stuffs such as clothes, bags, or even shoes. it's about packaging. how you package the whole set of products and a wide range of products for the costumers to choose from.
5- how unique is your idea - can that idea of your's let you be the market leader of that particular industry should you decided to set into that industry?
6-if what you're dealing with isn't unique [de-tour] than what are the other ways that you can make your business/services unique in a way that other's can't follow you/ something that can't be copied?
7-people - doing business is about dealing with people. if i don't know how to deal with people, especially those problematic costumers, than i certainly can't succeed in business. Same goes to the boss of a big corporation confirm have a lot of factors to look out for - how are we going to present an idea/proposal to a potential client/partner.
do we know what they are looking for?
8-body language - what if a person is plainly not interested in you, but interested in the presentation or proposal of yours. how do you identify it and quickly act accordingly?
when a person starts to lose focus on the proposal, how to make that person in particular pay more attention to you/whatever that you're presenting (at the same time waking up the others as well) without offending ANYONE in the process?
9-brain - do we have the element of using our brain and think of ways to improve and upgrade on the products and services of the business and even expand or lead the market of that industry into another newer level?
10-identity - how do the customers identify the differences between you and your competitors?
what edge do you have over them?
how can you create and bring out the differences to them without offending your competitors (if handled wrongly, it might be settle in court which waste money)
11- positioning
where do you position yourself and your business?
12-target market
13-demand and supply
14-trends
is it a dying trend or is it a fade?
15-adapting or willingness to accept your idea or proposal or even product?
how are the consumers and partners able to accept your idea and make them buy your idea or products from you?
16-sales - what tatics do you have when it comes to doing business.
is it the same as the others?
any slight difference?
any major contrasting difference?
17-the people (your employees and your partners) how well are you able to work with them?
will they leave you halfway if there's some disputes over some issues?
some companies do close down over lack of support from the employees [if there's a massive strike from the employees]
the list just goes on..
with so many factors to consider when it comes to doing a business. how is a person able to do a business successfully without taking into consideration of all this.
i do have more points to look out for.
but do i need to?
those interested in doing their own businesses will find their own ways to go about finding their business partners.
what I've pointed out above ARE ONLY SOME OF THE SMALL LITTLE THINGS THAT A PERSON WHO WANTS TO DO BUSINESS SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
there's a lot of factors to look into, but well..i can't finish the list..as there's new ideas and new things learnt everyday that contributes to the success of the business no matter how small the issue/problem is.
i'm not advocating that mlm is a must do, but compared to business and mlm, mlm is a very much simplified and easy alternative for the masses to join in and start building and learn the steps (choose and learn from the right company) to doing a business.
employee as a job is okay only for those people who are easily contented and leads a very simple ordinary lifestyle.