This is how NTI is going to End.
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Again, its not MLM?
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Which one you are refering not MLM ?Originally posted by laurence82:Again, its not MLM?
In what sense join the company? As in employees?
If you join Sunshine Alliance as "Investor" you will get back certain percent monthly depending on your partnership even if you are not a Merchant/Networker.
If you involved in MLM which means you are Merchant/Networker in Sunshine then you will get monthly payment if you invest and also commission for introduce to join as investor or another Merchant.
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Latest News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The group under Tommy ALL withdrew from this "excellent" wireless project!!!!
They even left that one eye, CON man, Mr James Phang and joined one of the US-Based MLM company in Shaw house!!!!!
What happened ar?
Why they leave ar?
Why they leave if that project is so good ar?
Why? Why? Why?
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melaleuca, or 4life??Originally posted by MLM Victim:Latest News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The group under Tommy ALL withdrew from this "excellent" wireless project!!!!
They even left that one eye, CON man, Mr James Phang and joined one of the US-Based MLM company in Shaw house!!!!!
What happened ar?
Why they leave ar?
Why they leave if that project is so good ar?
Why? Why? Why?
Anyone idiots from sunshine empire can answer this? -
If i not worng, Bluengine full company name is Bluengine Asia Pacific Pte Ltd right?Originally posted by laurence82:now its not in their plans
well done, well done
First you guys in the other thread link BlueEngine and nti together for the IDA project
Now no such plans
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but y did the whole of allan mok netowrk come back to james phang? why u nv ask that
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funny thing, network shift from company to company?
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Aiya........ Forever one la!!!!!!!!Originally posted by jonzibonzi:but y did the whole of allan mok netowrk come back to james phang? why u nv ask that
Everytime ask these idiots one question, never get an answer.
Everytime these idiots will ask another question to avoid answering what we asked.
Jonzibonzi, Tommy's group are those GROWN UP with a lot of experiences in the society. So there must be a reason why they leave that one-eye, CON man, Mr James Phang and withdrew out from that SCAM project, right?
Anyway, Alan Mok's network cannot make it in their previous company and ex-NTI. So what if they go back to that blind man? BIG DEAL? -
Hello!!!!!!!!! Jonzibonzi, James Phang's dog, why? Dare not to answer me ar?
Go ask your number one James Phang's Dog, Jackie Hoo la!!!!
Go ask that number one, Jackie Hoo, why still sex with other girls when he has a girlfriend from HerbalLife?
Go ask the one-eye, CON man, Mr James Phang, is this what he taught his dogs to do? -
Since you also don't know the reason, the quit barking around and making assumptions and deductions. Since you have so much contacts to know those people under Tommy left? Why not you go and ask them yourself and rather make a big hoo haa here with no value add and trying to bad mouth people...Originally posted by MLM Victim:Hello!!!!!!!!! Jonzibonzi, James Phang's dog, why? Dare not to answer me ar?
Go ask your number one James Phang's Dog, Jackie Hoo la!!!!
Go ask that number one, Jackie Hoo, why still sex with other girls when he has a girlfriend from HerbalLife?
Go ask the one-eye, CON man, Mr James Phang, is this what he taught his dogs to do?
Anyway, even someone like you whose information is so sharp also dunno the exact reason and has to ask ppl here, I don;t think small fries like us will know either. So chill it or shut up.
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Since you know his information is sharp and you are small fries..so your point is?Originally posted by Blue_jamzz:Anyway, even someone like you whose information is so sharp also dunno the exact reason and has to ask ppl here, I don;t think small fries like us will know either. So chill it or shut up.
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Hi, I am new to this forum and I find a lot of flaming going on. I think we should jus concentrate on presenting the facts. As potential investors, everyone has the right to ask questions, cross examine the project inside out. Only a fool will invest without knowing the product well.
To start with, I am a investor with EmCom.Let me attempt to address a few issues in this forum.
1. There are questions on the legitimacy of this whole thing. I wish to state that when EmCom started out, it started out with an initial capital of $2Mil ( I will find the website to prove this). Any company with such a high start up capital has very strong backing behind it. Emcom is backed by Sunshine Alliance. A very big company with around 7 major companies in partnership with them. they also have major and diverse investment portfolios. A company so big and diverse will not want to tarnish its reputation by associating with a scam
2. People have been receiving their monthly renumeration without fail. Every single investor ( or at least the many i checked with). Yes, I know the returns are very high and people tend to be overly suspicious. Why are the returns so high? primarily because this wireless technology is the next in thing. Seamless wireless technology, where ever you go, not just a collection of hotspots.
3. The project in Taichung has been extremely successful so far and may even be completed months ahead of schedule. many investors were brought to Taiwan to test out the technology and it is working perfectly fine. Emcom has since expanded its reach to Taipei , Cambodia and many other countries. You may get regular updates at emcombeyond.blogspot.com
4. Emcom is currently planning to introduce a whole host of other services together with its wireless provision. These will be implemented in the long run and will eventually bring in more revenue.
5. Your investment is guaranteed under Singapore Law.
6. The last few lots for the Taichung project will be cleared by the end of this month. the returns for these last few lots will be three times the normal amount next month.
Hope I have been of help. Any questions, please PM me. Thank You -
As to why other points are baseless, have been discussed before.Originally posted by thebiz:5. Your investment is guaranteed under Singapore Law.
Now, as to this part, you need to back up with evidence. -
Just need to clarify your reply.Originally posted by thebiz:A company so big and diverse will not want to tarnish its reputation by associating with a scam
3. The project in Taichung has been extremely successful so far and may even be completed months ahead of schedule. many investors were brought to Taiwan to test out the technology and it is working perfectly fine. Emcom has since expanded its reach to Taipei , Cambodia and many other countries. You may get regular updates at emcombeyond.blogspot.com
5. Your investment is guaranteed under Singapore Law.
6. The last few lots for the Taichung project will be cleared by the end of this month. the returns for these last few lots will be three times the normal amount next month.
1. Personal opinion.
3. You get updates from a blog? Is there no company official letter/updates?
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I am quite curious abt pt 5, as can be seen in the swisscash saga
The Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) has confirmed that Swiss Cash or Swiss Mutual Fund is included in the MAS' Investor Alert List (IAL). This is a list of companies or individuals that may be conducting activities not regulated by the MAS.
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The list can be found at www.moneysense.gov.sg/check_our_list/Consumer_Portal_IAL.html.
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By giving Singaporean investors the false impression that they are operating in Singapore or by sometimes using names similar to entities regulated by the MAS, these companies are able to attract Singapore consumers, the MAS' website said.
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Consumers who deal with firms that are not regulated by the MAS will not get recourse to compensation if they lose money on their investments, the central bank said.
It added that the promotion of the fund seems to work via agents on a multi-level marketing or MLM system, which appears to closely resemble a pyramid scheme. -
The blog is an avenue for people who are not in the company to get updates. The company itself does have regular investor relations talks to updates its members or anyone who is interested in its updates.
Investors were brought down to Taichung to test out the technology some time last month. You may want to come down for the investor relations to get more information on this trip and the videos taken.
As for the questions as to who guarantees the investment and under which clause the investor is protected. I will get the exact documents and then type out the exact words (if allowed).that will clear mis conceptions -
Emcom is registered with SRC, Singapore registry of companies. it is also listed in the ACRA site (for those who do not mind spending 5 bucks to view the info). As such, it is a local company and is bounded by local laws when you sign the contract for the investment.
The three time returns is guaranteed by sunshine empire and is only valid if you invest this month,and only for next months returns. For those of you who are unaware, Sunshine empire is a 28 year old , very robust company with regional offices in this region.
It will be best if those who are interested come down for the investor relation talks. I know the general perception is once you go there, you will be 'psychoed' to sign up. This is not true. You will be there to be told information and to ask any questions you may have. This will be the best way to clarify your doubts. Should you request, you may be shown the copy of the contract itself to allay your fears. For those who are genuinely interested for more information on the relations talk or whatever else, please PM me. -
Excuse me, every damn company is registered under the Companies Act and has to submit their financial accounts to ACRA. This is the norm. Thus its bounded by the local laws, but not guaranteed by the local laws. So, again, what is guaranteed by local laws??Originally posted by thebiz:Emcom is registered with SRC, Singapore registry of companies. it is also listed in the ACRA site (for those who do not mind spending 5 bucks to view the info). As such, it is a local company and is bounded by local laws when you sign the contract for the investment.
The three time returns is guaranteed by sunshine empire and is only valid if you invest this month,and only for next months returns. For those of you who are unaware, Sunshine empire is a 28 year old , very robust company with regional offices in this region.
It will be best if those who are interested come down for the investor relation talks. I know the general perception is once you go there, you will be 'psychoed' to sign up. This is not true. You will be there to be told information and to ask any questions you may have. This will be the best way to clarify your doubts. Should you request, you may be shown the copy of the contract itself to allay your fears. For those who are genuinely interested for more information on the relations talk or whatever else, please PM me. -
woops..poor English on my part. The investment is guaranteed my Sunshine Empire. If the company fails to pay the renumeration, it can be taken to task locally. This is so unless Sunshine Empire folds..which is highly unlikely, given that it is a regional company with a 28 year history.
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dont know if its really 28 yearsOriginally posted by thebiz:woops..poor English on my part. The investment is guaranteed my Sunshine Empire. If the company fails to pay the renumeration, it can be taken to task locally. This is so unless Sunshine Empire folds..which is highly unlikely, given that it is a regional company with a 28 year history.
the remuneration, can read nvm's posts on this
as to the history during those '28' years..haha, read telescope's topic
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Aiyo im confused sia...Originally posted by thebiz:woops..poor English on my part. The investment is guaranteed my Sunshine Empire. If the company fails to pay the renumeration, it can be taken to task locally. This is so unless Sunshine Empire folds..which is highly unlikely, given that it is a regional company with a 28 year history.
http://www.trizzard.com/EMCOM/Files/emcomroc.pdf
Emcom was registered in 2006. yes 2mill issued n paidup capital. true. Also means that shareholders have limited liability, which in this case is 2mill.
Banks have priority when company insolvent.. suan dao lai, consumers turn, oso claim peanuts. maybe few cents lah.. btw if they dont pay, do we sue?
sunshine empire belongs to the same few ppl right? emcom oso mah. nti oso mah.. they are so shadily diversified.. cute -
My point to him is only for him to stop being so abusive with his words and show some respect to the people he hardly knows and the forumOriginally posted by laurence82:Since you know his information is sharp and you are small fries..so your point is?
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If you have been following the discussion, you would know the points raised by us and others. NTI has gathered more than 40 million or more and its liability is only 2 million. Should NTI declares bankrupt, you can only claim up to 2 million from the shareholders. Unless there is proper corporate governance in place to monitor/track them and should the directors be proven negligent, fraudalent and broke the law, you can then proceed with civil suits to claim damages (look up the NKF story). If there is no such system in place, do you think you can prosecute them under any laws in Singapore for any misconduct?Originally posted by thebiz:woops..poor English on my part. The investment is guaranteed my Sunshine Empire. If the company fails to pay the renumeration, it can be taken to task locally. This is so unless Sunshine Empire folds..which is highly unlikely, given that it is a regional company with a 28 year history.
As for gurantees, if you wanna gurantee investments and you have over 40 million bucks in investor liability, how much do you think Sunshine need to have? The company would need to have over 40 million in cash reserves, gold or shares in order to promise this. If you can show us proof of that, dont you think you need to question why do they need you to raise money through the MLM way in the first place?
Hope this will help you.