Anybody heard of Long Far?
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PDMYB is categorised as Chinese Medicine.Originally posted by K_Ho:To all Toms, Dicks & Harrys, please read this again:
If the product is good and if there indeed is proof, it isn't shown to everybody simply because the company doesn't feel the need to, i guess. Apart from having skeptics who will claim that the reports have been cooked up, the company is not listed in Singapore, and unless a majority shareholder, it is not available to you, Tom, Dick or Harry. But if non-disclosure means it's no good, don't buy it. If it is of questionable quality because of this, don't recommend it. If it's perceived to only have "placebo" effects, don't consume it!
As long as it uses natural herbs, no extra funny components, it will be certified for sale. This does not mean it's endorsed as it works as it advertises.
Actually, the point is not whether the product works or not.
The point is hard-selling and trying to psycho a person to part with $1k within 2 hour to buy 18 bottles of PDMYB.
As I've pointed out earlier, if not for the allure of easy riches, how many pple would want to part with 1k for 18 bottles of dubious pills?
The vicious cycle continues from there. Those pple will try to psycho other pple in believing in the product, mainly to allure their own fears, to justify what they did was right. -
To Mr Tom's Dick is Hairy..Originally posted by K_Ho:To all Toms, Dicks & Harrys, please read this again:
I made the effort to BOLD it this time in case you guys missed it in your grief of my mention of Existentialism comparing Health Products with Religion.
By doubting the reports that are unavailable to you, you are also doubting local health authorities (i.e. HSA), HK health authorities, & HKSE (for allowing a scientificall-useless, placebo product to be listed), which in turn does not shine too brightly on both governments. I will not even go into mentioning the many millions of stockholders that have been insulted for their lack of discretion for investing in a potentially fradulent company. But frankly, we don't really care, do we?
If it does not make sense, it's easy to brush aside claiming it is nonsensical. I fail to see why it's nonsensical when both examples have relevant similarities in that not having access to, does not mean non-existence. Faith was not mentioned, and i do agree that it's absurd to bring faith (or blind faith) into the subject of health products.
So this thread will become another NTI thread, i await in eager anticipation to help up the entertainment index here.... If discussions are conducted in a fair, matured and educated manner, it's for the better of the forum, i'm sure. Just try to quote properly, it's impossible to know from the post whether it was for or against my earlier posting.
If the product is good and if there indeed is proof, it isn't shown to everybody simply because the company doesn't feel the need to, i guess. Apart from having skeptics who will claim that the reports have been cooked up, the company is not listed in Singapore, and unless a majority shareholder, it is not available to you, Tom, Dick or Harry. But if non-disclosure means it's no good, don't buy it. If it is of questionable quality because of this, don't recommend it. If it's perceived to only have "placebo" effects, don't consume it!
If a person's decision of whether to use a product or not is dependant on which VIP/Minister/Boyband is involved in the company's opening ceremony, then i must say, he's got it all wrong. Sure, it lends weight to a company's profile if there is a high flying VIP opening, but then again, it's just a ceremony, nothing to be made a big hoo-haa about.
& MLM_Victim, same response, same level of intellect. Welcome back into the ring.
Indeed... I'm griefed... Your mere mention of "Correction. It should be "There's no concrete evidence (i mean scientific proof) AVAILABLE TO ME about Pai Du Mei Yan Bao.
There's no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues." devastated me...
The threadstarter only asked for scientific, concrete evidence of PDMYB... because she's concerned about the effects after consumption... By bringing out your example of "There's no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues." You led me (or others) to believe that consumption of PDMYB is akined to religious faith.. Scientific proof is secondary regardless of its existence...
It sounds like a genuine concern to me, but your response seems far from convincing.. More like deceit IMO... Are you one of the shareholders?? Oops.. you did mentioned that the evidence is not available to you... Then how did you know about the existence of one?? Because someone told you, who in turn heard from others etc?
Perhaps it'll help to alleviate the doubts of people here by saying that you'll help to look for more details, rather than providing excuses of shareholders, religions and governments...
I'm not here to judge the integrity of shareholders & governments. But I do know that $$ is the root of all evil
Well... perhaps you're assuming that we're a bunch of naive peasants... that's when we believe everything the powers and majority says, and follow without questions.. Thank god the thread starter started asking!
As for my earlier post... I'm sure majority of the forumers believe that I'm in "support" of your post by quoting your example to my fallicious reference of vice in the company...
NTI thread is indeed entertaining! Forgo the fair, matured and educated manner of discussions.. It's not the trait of that thread! Just look at the way supporters there are responding.. Just give the go-ahead and I'm sure this thread will be in the limelight soon! It's your call
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Haha! Magic kingdom! Thanks for reminding me of the name! Can't seem to recall the name of that scam for ages! James Phang proclaims himself to be the victim of a fraud.. (blah blah).. I don't know much about the history of NOP or JP, but the last I heard, lawsuits are still ongoing...Originally posted by laoda99:I remembered my fren used to in MLM with a company which sold Pai Du Mei Yan Bao. Got one instance they were selling a resort membership in Indonesia call magic kingdom. The resort was never build and many pple never get their money back (around 3k to 5k).
They even show a pic of Indonesia vice president signing agreement.
But we can shift this discussion to the NTI thread! 
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so is our prime minister still going down for grand opening ceremony?
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Damn my fren from CL say the damn ppl from ex CL cheated his money. They didnt pay him their commision.
He told me his group is under the guy called ET.
How come so dark one? Who turn off the lights.
Maybe my fren anyhow say lar... But how to clarify?
Prime M?
Another peanuts organization?
BTW the boss so hao lian ah? Stopped his MERCZ outside greet him also no reply?
Maybe too soft or his ear still got the buzzing sound of the wind.....
Juz kidding? -
Latest thing I heard from my friend in there is that they had gotten Liu Dan (the father figure in Zhen Qing) to come down for an appearance or talk.
Also, the Mediacorp guy (Marcus Chin?) who does comedy night with Jack Neo also become their spokesperson liao.
As for their upcoming plans, they plan to hold a charity event soon (not sure if recall correctly. but some event lah)
Then also plan to get 50% of Mediacorp actors/actresses to use their product and be their spokesperson, thru that Marcus who's supposed to be the chair of the actor's union or something. -
Originally posted by moneymouse:
Damn my fren from CL say the damn ppl from ex CL cheated his money. They didnt pay him their commision.
He told me his group is under the guy called ET.
How come so dark one? Who turn off the lights.
Maybe my fren anyhow say lar... But how to clarify?
Prime M?
Another peanuts organization?
BTW the boss so hao lian ah? Stopped [b]his MERCZ outside greet him also no reply?
Maybe too soft or his ear still got the buzzing sound of the wind.....
Juz kidding?
[/b] His old pathetic 2nd-hand mercedes C-Class? -
Its the CLS 550.Originally posted by MLM Victim: His old pathetic 2nd-hand mercedes C-Class? -
well tat guy is called eddie tang,,not spellin is wrong ??Originally posted by moneymouse:Damn my fren from CL say the damn ppl from ex CL cheated his money. They didnt pay him their commision.
He told me his group is under the guy called ET.
How come so dark one? Who turn off the lights.
Maybe my fren anyhow say lar... But how to clarify?
Prime M?
Another peanuts organization?
BTW the boss so hao lian ah? Stopped his MERCZ outside greet him also no reply?
Maybe too soft or his ear still got the buzzing sound of the wind.....
Juz kidding?
all this long far,n coslad is all the old sayin
buy all up acc,,
n become some people high post,,but doing nothing,
dun u tink so,,
well they r juz 2 big shot lo,,dun felt like tokin wit the low level people,,
there is nothing wit the trade,,it only how the people do it,,2 make it suck?? -
Wow
jus joined this forum and i would to side those agaisnt CL and LFI. Cos as what MLM_Victim had mentioned, they are all liars!!!
my friend is a regular, was conned abt 2k to join CL, and another regular friend was recently conned 2K to join LFI!!! did they earn money??of cos not!!
pls warn all yr friends!! its a scam!!
there r a few networks in LFI tat targets on regulars, 1 of them is the legendary Dr Seow aka Ah Siao network. He alone has a huge line of generals in saf camps like SMI (where main bulk of his powerful generals are), 1,3,5,6 SIR, 1 Signals, 30,35 SCE, 40,41 SAR, 3 DIV, SISPEC(a few generals), CMPB, ADF(a few powerful junior officers), tengah air base, sembawang airbase, 1 guards, stagmond camp and of cos, Nee Soon Camp(where his pioneer generals are).
that was only one of the networks, they are a lot of networks in LFI that targets regulars, not forgetting the b-t-h's BF, Mr Bryan n his no.1 general Fabian. the airforce generals.
a few of the airforce ppl's also drive nice cars, alvin and coy.(alfa romeos and all)
and of cos, mr kelvin ang - the cheif of navy they call him.
there r generals in each camp(i can name most of them if i wan), they will phsyco their colleagues to join. they use tricks like asking them to form a team and sweep the entire camp together. the end result??? only the generals earn money!!
simple logic, ppl on top earns the most.
this month is bonus month, pls warn yr frends!!!! -
sispec got generals? 1, 3,5,6 sir got generals? lots of camps u mention no general lei...Originally posted by thevictim:Wow jus joined this forum and i would to side those agaisnt CL and LFI. Cos as what MLM_Victim had mentioned, they are all liars!!!
my friend is a regular, was conned abt 2k to join CL, and another regular friend was recently conned 2K to join LFI!!! did they earn money??of cos not!!
pls warn all yr friends!! its a scam!!
there r a few networks in LFI tat targets on regulars, 1 of them is the legendary Dr Seow aka Ah Siao network. He alone has a huge line of generals in saf camps like SMI (where main bulk of his powerful generals are), 1,3,5,6 SIR, 1 Signals, 30,35 SCE, 40,41 SAR, 3 DIV, SISPEC(a few generals), CMPB, ADF(a few powerful junior officers), tengah air base, sembawang airbase, 1 guards, stagmond camp and of cos, Nee Soon Camp(where his pioneer generals are).
that was only one of the networks, they are a lot of networks in LFI that targets regulars, not forgetting the b-t-h's BF, Mr Bryan n his no.1 general Fabian. the airforce generals.
a few of the airforce ppl's also drive nice cars, alvin and coy.(alfa romeos and all)
and of cos, mr kelvin ang - the cheif of navy they call him.
there r generals in each camp(i can name most of them if i wan), they will phsyco their colleagues to join. they use tricks like asking them to form a team and sweep the entire camp together. the end result??? only the generals earn money!!
simple logic, ppl on top earns the most.
this month is bonus month, pls warn yr frends!!!! -
i am not inclined to believe this
SAF regulars are not allowed to moonlight, and worse, you are naming the top echelons of SAF hierarchy who should have known better, and on this scale
Worse, 90% of the units you named are commanded by people whose highest ranks are not even Colonels, even less a Brigadier General
Unless you can submit some sort of proof, this is libel at its highest. -
Quote this just in caseOriginally posted by thevictim:Wow jus joined this forum and i would to side those agaisnt CL and LFI. Cos as what MLM_Victim had mentioned, they are all liars!!!
my friend is a regular, was conned abt 2k to join CL, and another regular friend was recently conned 2K to join LFI!!! did they earn money??of cos not!!
pls warn all yr friends!! its a scam!!
there r a few networks in LFI tat targets on regulars, 1 of them is the legendary Dr Seow aka Ah Siao network. He alone has a huge line of generals in saf camps like SMI (where main bulk of his powerful generals are), 1,3,5,6 SIR, 1 Signals, 30,35 SCE, 40,41 SAR, 3 DIV, SISPEC(a few generals), CMPB, ADF(a few powerful junior officers), tengah air base, sembawang airbase, 1 guards, stagmond camp and of cos, Nee Soon Camp(where his pioneer generals are).
that was only one of the networks, they are a lot of networks in LFI that targets regulars, not forgetting the b-t-h's BF, Mr Bryan n his no.1 general Fabian. the airforce generals.
a few of the airforce ppl's also drive nice cars, alvin and coy.(alfa romeos and all)
and of cos, mr kelvin ang - the cheif of navy they call him.
there r generals in each camp(i can name most of them if i wan), they will phsyco their colleagues to join. they use tricks like asking them to form a team and sweep the entire camp together. the end result??? only the generals earn money!!
simple logic, ppl on top earns the most.
this month is bonus month, pls warn yr frends!!!! -
i oso quote him!Originally posted by thevictim:Wow jus joined this forum and i would to side those agaisnt CL and LFI. Cos as what MLM_Victim had mentioned, they are all liars!!!
my friend is a regular, was conned abt 2k to join CL, and another regular friend was recently conned 2K to join LFI!!! did they earn money??of cos not!!
pls warn all yr friends!! its a scam!!
there r a few networks in LFI tat targets on regulars, 1 of them is the legendary Dr Seow aka Ah Siao network. He alone has a huge line of generals in saf camps like SMI (where main bulk of his powerful generals are), 1,3,5,6 SIR, 1 Signals, 30,35 SCE, 40,41 SAR, 3 DIV, SISPEC(a few generals), CMPB, ADF(a few powerful junior officers), tengah air base, sembawang airbase, 1 guards, stagmond camp and of cos, Nee Soon Camp(where his pioneer generals are).
that was only one of the networks, they are a lot of networks in LFI that targets regulars, not forgetting the b-t-h's BF, Mr Bryan n his no.1 general Fabian. the airforce generals.
a few of the airforce ppl's also drive nice cars, alvin and coy.(alfa romeos and all)
and of cos, mr kelvin ang - the cheif of navy they call him.
there r generals in each camp(i can name most of them if i wan), they will phsyco their colleagues to join. they use tricks like asking them to form a team and sweep the entire camp together. the end result??? only the generals earn money!!
simple logic, ppl on top earns the most.
this month is bonus month, pls warn yr frends!!!! -
I can safely say for 6SIR, there are no generals (max is a LTC) and that none of the officers are into MLM. Most people involved are NSF specs or men.
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Originally posted by thevictim:Wow jus joined this forum and i would to side those agaisnt CL and LFI. Cos as what MLM_Victim had mentioned, they are all liars!!!
my friend is a regular, was conned abt 2k to join CL, and another regular friend was recently conned 2K to join LFI!!! did they earn money??of cos not!!
pls warn all yr friends!! its a scam!!
there r a few networks in LFI tat targets on regulars, 1 of them is the legendary Dr Seow aka Ah Siao network. He alone has a huge line of generals in saf camps like SMI (where main bulk of his powerful generals are), 1,3,5,6 SIR, 1 Signals, 30,35 SCE, 40,41 SAR, 3 DIV, SISPEC(a few generals), CMPB, ADF(a few powerful junior officers), tengah air base, sembawang airbase, 1 guards, stagmond camp and of cos, Nee Soon Camp(where his pioneer generals are).
that was only one of the networks, they are a lot of networks in LFI that targets regulars, not forgetting the b-t-h's BF, Mr Bryan n his no.1 general Fabian. the airforce generals.
a few of the airforce ppl's also drive nice cars, alvin and coy.(alfa romeos and all)
and of cos, mr kelvin ang - the cheif of navy they call him.
there r generals in each camp(i can name most of them if i wan), they will phsyco their colleagues to join. they use tricks like asking them to form a team and sweep the entire camp together. the end result??? only the generals earn money!!
simple logic, ppl on top earns the most.
this month is bonus month, pls warn yr frends!!!!
u must be kiddin rite,,yo men,,dun make fun of it le -
Wah lau... I think what he meant by "generals" is, not as in the rank in SAF, but as the "best fighters" under Dr Seow, an apt title for his men.. If not, then it's a real joke... The generals so eng all join LFI ah.. Wait I lodge a complaint to Mindef abt them moonlighting!! The latest scandal in SAF!!
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Well, you can write to the papers and say you are concerned about the training standards of these people when they are holding other work outside of their full time national service liabilities.
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Cannot do that lah... those regulars & NSFs just want to earn extra $$... Don't want them to suffer in indulging in MLM full time after DB...Originally posted by Eikei:Well, you can write to the papers and say you are concerned about the training standards of these people when they are holding other work outside of their full time national service liabilities.
Can't blame them to look for an alternative environment too, since I've yet to meet a elated regular/NSF yet when they shared their plight when in service, to me.. LOL -
They should put it in some MINDEF RO to all units to remind them the dangers of MLM and that it is illegal to moonlight.
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SAF pay not good ma? If the above is true than i am really concern abt the defence we are having? Ppl working both in camp and out camp. So tough... can cope ma? -
MLM as a business can be very time consuming, because there is no specific time you can meet or not meet prospects. So, given any chance, anyone, whether they are in your family, friends or army mates, can be your potential prospects and time maybe taken up during duty hours to talk to these people.
Worse, there is a need to go down to the office to show prospects and introduce uplines for those more traditional MLM business, and I have seen people made up excuses for stay-out in a stay-in units.
So, it will be scary if what that chap claim is true, that there are scores of NSFs or regulars participating in that MLM scheme. -
What 'the victim' claimed is true.. alot of regulars in the mentioned units/div are involved. In fact some regulars from the airforce & navy are involved too. Plenty of nsf(especially those who are ORDing soon) have also been dragged in by their superiors or peers. The majority of regulars joining are NCOs & junior officers. So far I have not heard of any captains and above in the army joining this mlm, although I won't be surprised if there is.
Btw I got burnt too.. LFI sells the products at retail or near retail price to agents, making it harder to sell them off, especially PDMYB(they sell to agents $60, but medical halls sell $55[their cost price is around $45], WTF?).
But I'll have to admit tat PDMYB works well for detox, although some people experience no effect after taking it. -
Originally posted by ghanz:
Alarming
What [b]'the victim' claimed is true.. alot of regulars in the mentioned units/div are involved. In fact some regulars from the airforce & navy are involved too. Plenty of nsf(especially those who are ORDing soon) have also been dragged in by their superiors or peers. The majority of regulars joining are NCOs & junior officers. So far I have not heard of any captains and above in the army joining this mlm, although I won't be surprised if there is.
Btw I got burnt too.. LFI sells the products at retail or near retail price to agents, making it harder to sell them off, especially PDMYB(they sell to agents $60, but medical halls sell $55[their cost price is around $45], WTF?).
But I'll have to admit tat PDMYB works well for detox, although some people experience no effect after taking it.[/b]
Doing MLM can take our regulars and NSFs mind off their duty...
Medical hall also sell PDMYB? Same brand? -
Same brand.. with distributed from LFI S'pore sticker. However, someone at LFi claim it's parrellel import from HK, but I doubt so, as it has the LFI s'pore sticker on it.
Either LFI is selling them cheap to medical halls(bundled with a 10 pills travel pack) or a group of ppl is clearing their stock cheap into the retail channel.
The end result is a spolit market..