Anybody heard of Long Far?
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yes sir,i will trust you but can we trust your distributor too like what diebirdstand have say-Originally posted by K_Ho:Finally, trust no one, not even my threads, but follow your own judgement.
(I belong to a group of youngsters under their network. But what makes me really disappointed was this particular incident. Fion was talking to a Beauty Consultant and she blurred out, “Aiyah, these downlines all idiots one lah, you ask them buy what they also buy.”(In Mandarin) Little did she knows, I just got out of the toilet and was behind her when she call me and all her downlines IDIOTS!!! But I didn’t spread these to my other friends as I believe it would cause dispute within the group.
Anyway, about a week plus ago, I was brought down to Long Far together with some others. And the same thing happen, all the promises sounded so familiarÂ….follow us, work together with usÂ….this company will make more $$$$....we are going regionalÂ…HeyÂ…this sounds like Coslab, just much better. But once bitten twice shy, I wasnÂ’t going to jump into this thing without doing some groundwork.
To be frank, I was a bit tempted. After all, they say this product Pai Du Mei Yuan Bao (PDMYB) sells like hot cakes at pharmacies and WatsonÂ’s. It will be like Coke or Marlboro doing MLM. )
So do you take us like a IDIOTS too,like what diebirdstand have say
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Definition of idiot from webster.com:
id·i·ot
Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French ydiote, from Latin idiota ignorant person, from Greek idiOtEs one in a private station, layman, ignorant person, from idios one's own, private; akin to Latin suus one's own
1. usually offensive : a person affected with idiocy
2. : a foolish or stupid person
- idiot adjective
Now that we have the proper definition of the word, idiot, and before you put words into my mouth, note the few keywords: LAYMAN, IGNORANT & FOOLISH. Let's put STUPID out of the way here for the time being.
All 3 words point to a person who does not know ________ (fill in the blanks where necessary). In this case, MLM being the subject, if one jumps onto the bandwagon not knowing what to expect, not weighing the pros & cons, then, yes, if the results do not meet expectation, it is easy to feel like an idiot.
Therefore, what i have been advocating all the while is know what one is getting into and don't run crying to mother when results don't matchup to expectations. Expectations arise from promises, but promises are as as easily broken as egg shells. We all break promises. So let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
If one is lured into MLM with a hope of earning big bucks effortlessly, be prepared to be disappointed. Spend some time finding out what MLM is. It's not a magic stone, nor your golden goose. It is merely a method of marketing.yes sir,i will trust you but can we trust your distributor too like what diebirdstand have say-
And simidaichi, thank you for your courtesy and trust, but you make the assumption that i am male by addressing me "sir". Or perhaps it was in sarcasm? I will give the benefit of doubt.
Trust is built, not given. If you don't trust the distributors, don't. I repeat myself again, do your due diligence before making decisions and you will never regret a single moment of your life. This statement will be applicable for the rest of your life in every other thing you do in future. It will also make people take responsibility when things go wrong and stop the finger-pointing. -
Oh ya, I checked their website before I posted this.Originally posted by K_Ho:Every MLM company should be judged more by its products than its sellers. Ultimately, it is the products that are being used/consumed/inhaled/applied, and not the sellers. Like buying a car, the salesmanship and knowledge of the dealer is important no doubt, but it finally boils down to the condition of the car itself. If the car is damaged, or faulty, whether the company will help to rectify the problem is another point to take note of. Moreover, we are talking about one's well-being here.
There will be plenty of horror stories about so-and-so agent of so-and-so company who hard-sell and claim that their products are not unlike magic stones. If the majority of "hearsay" is negative, then there must be a slight possibility that there are some truths in them. Otherwise, go and listen and decide for yourself.
It is more wise to narrow in and focus on the product. If it is good, the person/company distributing it shouldn't matter too much. If it ain't effective, even with the slickest sales-talk and fanciest company image, it can't last long.
If it's LongFar you want to know, their website is quite comprehensive. They are a listed company in HK after all and are closely watched by the financial & government watchdogs in HK.
Finally, trust no one, not even my threads, but follow your own judgement.
There's no concrete evidence (i mean scientific proof) about Pai Du Mei Yan Bao. -
Correction. It should be "There's no concrete evidence (i mean scientific proof) AVAILABLE TO ME about Pai Du Mei Yan Bao.
There's no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues.
Not having access to, does not mean non-existence.
Apparantly, thousands of public shareholders of the company's stock in HK don't seem to dwell so much on the evidence. It's all there, i'm sure, just not available to Tom, Dick or Harry. -
Originally posted by K_Ho:
You are confusing religion and a product and its not a very good point to make at all, these silly nonsensical analogies.
Correction. It should be "There's no concrete evidence (i mean scientific proof) [b]AVAILABLE TO ME about Pai Du Mei Yan Bao.
There's no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues.
Not having access to, does not mean non-existence.
Apparantly, thousands of public shareholders of the company's stock in HK don't seem to dwell so much on the evidence. It's all there, i'm sure, just not available to Tom, Dick or Harry.[/b]
If the product is good and if there indeed is proof (as required by the law), why isn't it shown to everybody? I'm sure proof will help boost sales. Having many shareholders does not mean that the company is viable or above board, look at Enron and WorldCom. Unless someone from the company can provide offical proof of efficacy of the medication, it will be of questionable quality. -
Originally posted by K_Ho:
Correction. It should be "There's no concrete evidence (i mean scientific proof) [b]AVAILABLE TO ME about Pai Du Mei Yan Bao.
There's no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues.
Not having access to, does not mean non-existence.
Apparantly, thousands of public shareholders of the company's stock in HK don't seem to dwell so much on the evidence. It's all there, i'm sure, just not available to Tom, Dick or Harry.[/b]
but ple are more conscious abt health products.
no concrete evidence available to me also means cant convince me totally. -
so what's the latest news abt this mlm?
i wanna know whether it has failed
my fren got me down to their office, listen to their one-sided talk about how miraculous their product is, when I question how they prove their products, they said no need to prove. WTF?!
all their promotional materials are blatantly one-sided.
my fren showed me all the articles about how the product can do this and that
showed me an article from ezyhealth magazine, say until like even the magazine also promote the product, then i pointed out to him the word "advertorial" above the article.
he asked me, what is advertorial?
at the office, another guy came to talk to me about the product and company, i shoot back at him until he got nothing to say.
then another lao jiao came and repeat the same thing.
I noticed they dun focused much on the product, but will always go into saying how they sell alot, how u can earn alot.
WTF
if it's not mlm and psycho pple say can earn alot of money, do u think the product can sell on its own?
pple are buying not because they believe in the product, but because they think they can use the freaking product to make money.
my fren gave me the product to try, i say i dun mind trying the product. if it's good, i dun mind buying the product. but personally i dun find the idea of buying $1k worth of product and psychoing other pple to do the same and be my downline to my liking.
eat the product liao, stomach feel damn bloated, whole day feel damn uncomfortable. they say eat liao immediately got effect. in 4 hours time will go toilet and shit. (but it's not laxative they say. ha)
didn't really work for me. gave me more wind in the stomach. imagine attending meetings at work with wind in the stomach. WTF
my fren checked with the pple from Long Far, and say that some pple's body is resistant to the pills, must take a larger dosage
WTF
eat 2 pills already make me feel so bad, still wanna me increase dosage.
got one day felt so uncomfortable that i puked.
then i decided not to eat the pills liao
my fren then for first week must let body condition first. cannot drink tea or coffee, eat plain food. Must maintain such a diet to be effective.
I tell him, if i avoid all the tea and coffee, eat light and plain food from now on, it'll be the diet at work and not the pills that's making me feel better. -
then they boast about there other products
highlighted that they got this product, ABOBA slimming product
say it's catered to your blood group
then they boast that this product of theirs made it into the japan market
then say japan market so protected, yet they can make it into their market, of course shows the product is good, sibeh tok kong.
BUT
when i check on internet, on Long Far's hong kong website, it says that this product is IMPORTED from Japan.
IMPORTED FROM JAPAN, mind you.
They never say it's their own product which is popular in Japan.
If it's really so, why won't they say it? won't it be even more tok kong?
Not only the website, I managed to find a report from Long Far, for those financial thingy to go listed kinda report, will talk about the company and their products. Even that report also say they IMPORTED FROM JAPAN a best selling product to expand their range of products.
So who's the BIG CANNON FAIRY?? -
so u bought $1k worth of products?
it's not suitable for everybody de lah..
i hate the 'bloated' feeling..
hope u are feeling better.
get some ginger tea or ENO to get rid of the wind. -
Originally posted by K_Ho:
Haiz... This is how most of the idiotic MLM people answer when they cant produce anything. Just like NTI people.
Correction. It should be "There's no concrete evidence (i mean scientific proof) [b]AVAILABLE TO ME about Pai Du Mei Yan Bao.
There's no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues.
Not having access to, does not mean non-existence.
Apparantly, thousands of public shareholders of the company's stock in HK don't seem to dwell so much on the evidence. It's all there, i'm sure, just not available to Tom, Dick or Harry.[/b]
Same mentor (JP)----> Same students----> Same answer----> Same results(FAILURE) -
Nope I didn't pay $1k to buy the products.
My friend gave 1 bottle for me to try.
It's still in my bag, haven't touched it since all the uncomfort that arose.
Seems like they having a "soft launch" tomorrow; my friend invited me for their buffet lunch. Told him I've already got plans (which is true)
I wonder whether they will really have a "big launch" with health minister attending. most likely gonna fizzle out.
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precisely.Originally posted by MLM Victim:Haiz... This is how most of the idiotic MLM people answer when they cant produce anything. Just like NTI people.
Same mentor (JP)----> Same students----> Same answer----> Same results(FAILURE)
all the evidence they presented to me, all the testings, all just certify that you won't die after eating the pills. in no way do they certify that things work as they do. they keep telling me no one has fallen ill or died after eating their products. then boasted got one guy attempted suicide by trying to overdose on the pills but also nothing happened.
I retort him, I put plain water inside the pill and sell to pple, they eat it everyday also won't die. -
I see..Originally posted by bored_boor:Nope I didn't pay $1k to buy the products.
My friend gave 1 bottle for me to try.
It's still in my bag, haven't touched it since all the uncomfort that arose.
Seems like they having a "soft launch" tomorrow; my friend invited me for their buffet lunch. Told him I've already got plans (which is true)
I wonder whether they will really have a "big launch" with health minister attending. most likely gonna fizzle out. -
Originally posted by bored_boor:precisely.
all the evidence they presented to me, all the testings, all just certify that you won't die after eating the pills. in no way do they certify that things work as they do. they keep telling me no one has fallen ill or died after eating their products. then boasted got one guy attempted suicide by trying to overdose on the pills but also nothing happened.
I retort him, I put plain water inside the pill and sell to pple, they eat it everyday also won't die.
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Originally posted by K_Ho:
WTF... So this is the standard reply to questions by LFI?!? How about this fictional scenario:
Correction. It should be "There's no concrete evidence (i mean scientific proof) [b]AVAILABLE TO ME about Pai Du Mei Yan Bao.
There's no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues.
Not having access to, does not mean non-existence.
Apparantly, thousands of public shareholders of the company's stock in HK don't seem to dwell so much on the evidence. It's all there, i'm sure, just not available to Tom, Dick or Harry.[/b]
My friend told me that LFI is a company dealing in drug trafficking and human smuggling?? I heard that orgies are happening everynight??
Proof?? There's no proof needed for the rumours because "There's also no scientific proof that a higher being exists, but that doesn't stop billions across the globe from going to churches, mosques, temples & synagogues." So that also can't stop thousands in Sgforums for believing in the rumours.
I don't have access to the authenticity of the rumour but "Not having access to, does not mean non-existence"
Yah.. The above info is pure speculation I heard but "thousands of public shareholders of the company's stock in HK don't seem to dwell so much on the evidence. It's all there, i'm sure, just not available to Tom, Dick or Harry"
So... the above fallacy is what you get if there's no evidence... Please don't acquaint it with faith... If blind faith is all there is about PDMYB, then I can only say the effects are "placebo" effects... That's when the importance of evidence comes into play.
You want this thread to become the next NTI thread?
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can anyone address on this issue? heard that previously LFI distributor are saying that our prime minister is going to be their vip for grand opening ceremony, but recently I heard they are asking a HK star to be the one, what going on?
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hmm... changed again?Originally posted by pacer: can anyone address on this issue? heard that previously LFI distributor are saying that our prime minister is going to be their vip for grand opening ceremony, but recently I heard they are asking a HK star to be the one, what going on?
wonder what's the real truth
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Latest news is I'm gonna be the vip...
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the parents in the show 'zhen qing' ar?Originally posted by bored_boor:hmm... changed again?
wonder what's the real truth -
i rather have lin chiling then hahaha
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To all Toms, Dicks & Harrys, please read this again:
Not having access to, does not mean non-existence.
I made the effort to BOLD it this time in case you guys missed it in your grief of my mention of Existentialism comparing Health Products with Religion.
Apparantly, thousands of public shareholders of the company's stock in HK don't seem to dwell so much on the evidence. It's all there, i'm sure, just not available to Tom, Dick or Harry.
By doubting the reports that are unavailable to you, you are also doubting local health authorities (i.e. HSA), HK health authorities, & HKSE (for allowing a scientificall-useless, placebo product to be listed), which in turn does not shine too brightly on both governments. I will not even go into mentioning the many millions of stockholders that have been insulted for their lack of discretion for investing in a potentially fradulent company. But frankly, we don't really care, do we?
So this thread will become another NTI thread, i await in eager anticipation to help up the entertainment index here.... If discussions are conducted in a fair, matured and educated manner, it's for the better of the forum, i'm sure. Just try to quote properly, it's impossible to know from the post whether it was for or against my earlier posting.You are confusing religion and a product and its not a very good point to make at all, these silly nonsensical analogies.
If it does not make sense, it's easy to brush aside claiming it is nonsensical. I fail to see why it's nonsensical when both examples have relevant similarities in that not having access to, does not mean non-existence. Faith was not mentioned, and i do agree that it's absurd to bring faith (or blind faith) into the subject of health products.If the product is good and if there indeed is proof (as required by the law), why isn't it shown to everybody? I'm sure proof will help boost sales. Having many shareholders does not mean that the company is viable or above board, look at Enron and WorldCom. Unless someone from the company can provide offical proof of efficacy of the medication, it will be of questionable quality.
If the product is good and if there indeed is proof, it isn't shown to everybody simply because the company doesn't feel the need to, i guess. Apart from having skeptics who will claim that the reports have been cooked up, the company is not listed in Singapore, and unless a majority shareholder, it is not available to you, Tom, Dick or Harry. But if non-disclosure means it's no good, don't buy it. If it is of questionable quality because of this, don't recommend it. If it's perceived to only have "placebo" effects, don't consume it!
If a person's decision of whether to use a product or not is dependant on which VIP/Minister/Boyband is involved in the company's opening ceremony, then i must say, he's got it all wrong. Sure, it lends weight to a company's profile if there is a high flying VIP opening, but then again, it's just a ceremony, nothing to be made a big hoo-haa about.
& MLM_Victim, same response, same level of intellect. Welcome back into the ring. -
I remembered my fren used to in MLM with a company which sold Pai Du Mei Yan Bao. Got one instance they were selling a resort membership in Indonesia call magic kingdom. The resort was never build and many pple never get their money back (around 3k to 5k).
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Juz sharing,
maybe its not the public that dont trust H@A. SL@m 1* also was registered and checked by H@A. But wat happened? PPl got their liver cutted. Its the 1st screening that they passed and the subsequent products failed. Therefore such incidents happens.
If everyone heard of a B@W, everyone knows it is reowned for the stability and the comfort and also the reliability. How can anyone be so sure that out of 10,000 cars a few of them is defective?
Its not the products thats sucks, sometimes its juz luck. Some ppl get allergic to something they dun suddenly. Its purely luck maybe?
I believe there is nothing wrong with the product since H@A audited the product unless the future product was defective.
Its up to individual that believe in this system and product.
I personally wanted to try the product and went to the place myself during the launch. I got a package that day and currently testing it out. I am surprised that such a company boomed in such a short time. Maybe is the group of guys behind ET. I have head about him from Frens at C@sl@B. Heard of wat type of character he possess.
Amazing many ppl from C@Sl@B didnt believe that he can make it in such ashort time.... PPl from LF told me he got someone to help him to acheive so much in such a short time.
Could it be the arrangements of the office? Did he consult some Gao ren?
I have heard of such placing or arrangements can help oneself but could that be so potent?
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I think this is another issue ba...Originally posted by laoda99:I remembered my fren used to in MLM with a company which sold Pai Du Mei Yan Bao. Got one instance they were selling a resort membership in Indonesia call magic kingdom. The resort was never build and many pple never get their money back (around 3k to 5k).
They even show a pic of Indonesia vice president signing agreement.
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my friend told me she went for an interview on 23 jun. then on 24 jun she asked me if i am free to go down to this 'soft launch' of a health product. she told me that got the 2 hk stars from 'zhen qing' coming as well. when i asked further she said the product was this pai du mei yan bao. i didnt go coz i had other plans for the day.
then she told me she will share with me the business opportunity the next time.