To all Young MLMers
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To: A friend that I have not yet made
I’ve heard you have been influenced to join a company involved in “Network Marketing”, a nicer term for Multi-Level Marketing or MLM. Perhaps it is someone close to you that brought you in and introduced this opportunity to you? I know you were told to keep and open mind and be receptive of the ideas that were presented to you and the whole idea of making money, befriending people and at the same time expanding your social circle seems like a very good investment for an amount that you are willing to take out as an investment.
Possibly you have your parents, siblings or girlfriend/boyfriend in mind, thinking of how this additional source of income will aid your finances and help you provide for them better than you currently can. ItÂ’s a very filial and responsible train of thought that you have and somehow everything seems to make sense in paying a fee to participate in their programs and learn from their experiences and see what they can offer you to change your life for the better. Perhaps itÂ’s a shred of hope, a chance that you are hoping to buy.
I regret that I have to be the one who has to remove the blindfold that has been masking you. The world is a harsh and cruel place and we all have experienced some form of bad luck in the hands of fate. IÂ’m afraid that your participation in MLM might be a very painful experience indeed. I know you are thinking that IÂ’m trying to disillusion you or spoil your chances of succeeding but do hear me out, with an open mind, just like when you first heard the manager and others talk about the benefits of joining MLMs.
Let me first touch on the legal aspects of MLM. ItÂ’s a fact: MLMs are illegal in Singapore. As long as you make any money from introducing a friend to buy a license or distributorship, you are a party in propagating an illegal scheme. The law unfortunately does not look upon kindly upon people who actively participate in such schemes, finding them as guilty of breaking the law as the original creators of the scheme.
Secondly, have you heard of the claims your “uplines” have told you about making loads of money? Is a car enough proof for you? How many of the distributors actually can get to that level? Why are the same people quoted over and over again as the ones who have made it? A recent research by the Consumer Awareness Institute has found that gambling has a higher chance of making you rich compared to participating in an MLM scheme with a 97% chance of losing when gambling and a 99% chance of losing money when participating in an MLM scheme. Unless they show you the statistics of how many people recruited actually make money and back it up with income tax reports, you should be wary of the claims. A cheque on the wall can be written anytime and pasted there.
Thirdly, what exactly are you selling? Do the prices of the products sold make any sense to you? How about their recognition and reliability? The biggest question you need to ask yourself is “Am I selling a product or am I selling distributorships?” Lets take a look at a normal honest business like a franchise, which is similar to a scheme you are participating in. Franchisee purchases a franchise from the main company. He sets up a shop and sells goods belonging to the company with help from the main company in the areas of supply, stocks, marketing and promotions, all with some commission taken by the main company. However, his main business and sales volume still comes from selling tangible items. What are you selling? You are sold an idea of a franchise and you are selling this very same idea to others while paying a large amount of money to the guy who originally sold you the idea of selling ideas. Confused? Lets say you “bought” a distributorship (idea) at $1000. Then you “sell” this idea to a friend and he buys it too at $1000. However, you get only $50 out of this sale and the company takes the rest. This process can be repeated with people he sells to giving you a fraction of the money he spent. How much does the company earn compared to you?
If I were the boss of a MLM company, IÂ’d be a very happy man. All my employees would:
1) Pay me to work for me.
2) Work very hard for me for free and earn money for me at the same time.
3) Feel lousy when they canÂ’t sell enough.
4) Sack themselves and leave if they donÂ’t perform up to standard
5) Find other equally silly people to do the above 4 points for me.
Are you starting to feel a little bit conned?
DonÂ’t worry, there are a lot of people IÂ’ve spoken to who have started doubting the moment they handed over their money. The smarter ones did some research on the internet and found disturbing information that what they are participating in might be a scam. Others found that it was terribly unprofitable to participate. Then suddenly, most realize that the deal seems shadier than what they had thought at first.
Firstly, the original agreement, the page with all the clauses that they signed was not given back to them. Do you remember that whenever you purchased something theyÂ’d always give you the invoice that you signed back? That is a legal requirement. Next, they realize that the document they signed is full of legal disclaimers and references to terms and conditions that are nowhere in the contract. A sick feeling comes to the stomach as they realized that they have signed away their 7 day cooling off period and 60 day refund time and placed the fate of their ill-spent monies in the hands of the company. Best of all, the company does not recognize you as their employee or agent or representative. How about a proper official receipt that was supposed to be given to you when you make a purchase? Have you gotten one?
But the most devastating effect of participating in MLM does not lie in the monetary loss.
It lies in the network of friends you have harvested and dried up. Some have lost faith in you after you sold them a package and they lost their money. Some have heard about the truth in MLM and have kept their distance. How about the family members, cousins, friends, colleagues, school mates that you have listed down as your potential targets? Slowly your friends will notice your change as you see them as money-making opportunities instead. Some will feel betrayed by you. Some will oblige your request in the sheer goodwill of their nature, only to feel cheated and stupid for their moment of weakness. You are trading your social network for money. IÂ’m sure your friends, buddies, relatives and family are worth more than the money that you earn by recruiting them.
Suddenly, its not just only about you anymore is it?
You are young and have a bright future ahead of you. Do you know that the law does not differentiate between a distributor selling and promoting the scheme from the mastermind who created the scheme in the first placed? You are equally liable to be charged in court once it has been exposed. That will definitely throw a spanner in the works for your university studies. On top of that, if you are a NSF or a regular in the army, propagating or even being part of such a scheme will result in you being court martialled. Trust me, I studied Military Law and represented people before in a court martial.
IÂ’ve much more information regarding MLM that you might find useful. I feel that you have been kind and tolerant enough to read three pages worth and its best for me to stop here and let you reflect. Do PM me for more information and perhaps we could have an exchange of ideas regarding your MLM scheme.
Your Friend,
Eikei -
actually u are a mlm out to psycho other young mlmer to join ur mlm which u will claim its not a mlm right?
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nope he isntOriginally posted by Ito_^:actually u are a mlm out to psycho other young mlmer to join ur mlm which u will claim its not a mlm right? 
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If only the people in MLM will understand what the threadstarter is trying to get across. Well said, in my opinion...
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Thanks, I've written that quite some time ago when I started on my MLM awareness campaign. I've distilled what my friends and others who became friends with me told me though online discussions about their experiences with MLM companies and then put it in a letter form, hoping to get at least a few people thinking about what they have just committed to do.
No, I'm not in any MLM company. Astral Mag did approach me many years ago when I was still a minor Currently I'm quite into helping people leave NTI which I feel exemplifies all that is bad in an MLM scheme. I believe I've talked to and even met up with quite a few people who post here on the MLM forums and I do hope some people who out of curiosity have come to SGFORUMS wondering why their company told them not to read this forum will read the letter and then it will sow some seeds of doubt in their heads.
Its so hard to reach out and stop these people and whenever I see the queue at the NTI payment counter, I just feel so sad for the people who are parting with their money. I've gone there a few times to help people and I've never wanted to make a scene there so I just watch as the 10 or 20 people get pressured right in front of my face and its so darn irritating. -
Nope, he definitely isnt.Originally posted by Ito_^:actually u are a mlm out to psycho other young mlmer to join ur mlm which u will claim its not a mlm right? -
first to the moderators, i dont know is it legal to post this piece of information here. and if so, please contact me to delete again.Originally posted by Eikei:To: A friend that I have not yet made
I’ve heard you have been influenced to join a company involved in “Network Marketing”, a nicer term for Multi-Level Marketing or MLM. Perhaps it is someone close to you that brought you in and introduced this opportunity to you? I know you were told to keep and open mind and be receptive of the ideas that were presented to you and the whole idea of making money, befriending people and at the same time expanding your social circle seems like a very good investment for an amount that you are willing to take out as an investment.
Possibly you have your parents, siblings or girlfriend/boyfriend in mind, thinking of how this additional source of income will aid your finances and help you provide for them better than you currently can. ItÂ’s a very filial and responsible train of thought that you have and somehow everything seems to make sense in paying a fee to participate in their programs and learn from their experiences and see what they can offer you to change your life for the better. Perhaps itÂ’s a shred of hope, a chance that you are hoping to buy.
I regret that I have to be the one who has to remove the blindfold that has been masking you. The world is a harsh and cruel place and we all have experienced some form of bad luck in the hands of fate. IÂ’m afraid that your participation in MLM might be a very painful experience indeed. I know you are thinking that IÂ’m trying to disillusion you or spoil your chances of succeeding but do hear me out, with an open mind, just like when you first heard the manager and others talk about the benefits of joining MLMs.
Let me first touch on the legal aspects of MLM. ItÂ’s a fact: MLMs are illegal in Singapore. As long as you make any money from introducing a friend to buy a license or distributorship, you are a party in propagating an illegal scheme. The law unfortunately does not look upon kindly upon people who actively participate in such schemes, finding them as guilty of breaking the law as the original creators of the scheme.
Secondly, have you heard of the claims your “uplines” have told you about making loads of money? Is a car enough proof for you? How many of the distributors actually can get to that level? Why are the same people quoted over and over again as the ones who have made it? A recent research by the Consumer Awareness Institute has found that gambling has a higher chance of making you rich compared to participating in an MLM scheme with a 97% chance of losing when gambling and a 99% chance of losing money when participating in an MLM scheme. Unless they show you the statistics of how many people recruited actually make money and back it up with income tax reports, you should be wary of the claims. A cheque on the wall can be written anytime and pasted there.
Thirdly, what exactly are you selling? Do the prices of the products sold make any sense to you? How about their recognition and reliability? The biggest question you need to ask yourself is “Am I selling a product or am I selling distributorships?” Lets take a look at a normal honest business like a franchise, which is similar to a scheme you are participating in. Franchisee purchases a franchise from the main company. He sets up a shop and sells goods belonging to the company with help from the main company in the areas of supply, stocks, marketing and promotions, all with some commission taken by the main company. However, his main business and sales volume still comes from selling tangible items. What are you selling? You are sold an idea of a franchise and you are selling this very same idea to others while paying a large amount of money to the guy who originally sold you the idea of selling ideas. Confused? Lets say you “bought” a distributorship (idea) at $1000. Then you “sell” this idea to a friend and he buys it too at $1000. However, you get only $50 out of this sale and the company takes the rest. This process can be repeated with people he sells to giving you a fraction of the money he spent. How much does the company earn compared to you?
If I were the boss of a MLM company, IÂ’d be a very happy man. All my employees would:
1) Pay me to work for me.
2) Work very hard for me for free and earn money for me at the same time.
3) Feel lousy when they canÂ’t sell enough.
4) Sack themselves and leave if they donÂ’t perform up to standard
5) Find other equally silly people to do the above 4 points for me.
Are you starting to feel a little bit conned?
DonÂ’t worry, there are a lot of people IÂ’ve spoken to who have started doubting the moment they handed over their money. The smarter ones did some research on the internet and found disturbing information that what they are participating in might be a scam. Others found that it was terribly unprofitable to participate. Then suddenly, most realize that the deal seems shadier than what they had thought at first.
Firstly, the original agreement, the page with all the clauses that they signed was not given back to them. Do you remember that whenever you purchased something theyÂ’d always give you the invoice that you signed back? That is a legal requirement. Next, they realize that the document they signed is full of legal disclaimers and references to terms and conditions that are nowhere in the contract. A sick feeling comes to the stomach as they realized that they have signed away their 7 day cooling off period and 60 day refund time and placed the fate of their ill-spent monies in the hands of the company. Best of all, the company does not recognize you as their employee or agent or representative. How about a proper official receipt that was supposed to be given to you when you make a purchase? Have you gotten one?
But the most devastating effect of participating in MLM does not lie in the monetary loss.
It lies in the network of friends you have harvested and dried up. Some have lost faith in you after you sold them a package and they lost their money. Some have heard about the truth in MLM and have kept their distance. How about the family members, cousins, friends, colleagues, school mates that you have listed down as your potential targets? Slowly your friends will notice your change as you see them as money-making opportunities instead. Some will feel betrayed by you. Some will oblige your request in the sheer goodwill of their nature, only to feel cheated and stupid for their moment of weakness. You are trading your social network for money. IÂ’m sure your friends, buddies, relatives and family are worth more than the money that you earn by recruiting them.
Suddenly, its not just only about you anymore is it?
You are young and have a bright future ahead of you. Do you know that the law does not differentiate between a distributor selling and promoting the scheme from the mastermind who created the scheme in the first placed? You are equally liable to be charged in court once it has been exposed. That will definitely throw a spanner in the works for your university studies. On top of that, if you are a NSF or a regular in the army, propagating or even being part of such a scheme will result in you being court martialled. Trust me, I studied Military Law and represented people before in a court martial.
IÂ’ve much more information regarding MLM that you might find useful. I feel that you have been kind and tolerant enough to read three pages worth and its best for me to stop here and let you reflect. Do PM me for more information and perhaps we could have an exchange of ideas regarding your MLM scheme.
Your Friend,
Eikei
second, to eikei this is the information i like for provide you.
http://app.mti.gov.sg/data/pages/81/doc/frm_LEG_MLMOrder_Act.pdf -
u created a new account juz to post this?Originally posted by soilder16:first to the moderators, i dont know is it legal to post this piece of information here. and if so, please contact me to delete again.
second, to eikei this is the information i like for provide you.
http://app.mti.gov.sg/data/pages/81/doc/frm_LEG_MLMOrder_Act.pdf -
If you wish, you may hire a lawyer to get the forums to provide my information so that you may sue me for my statement. If not, please register another account elsewhere to post. It is so tiresome having hecklers come and try to threaten people. I will stand by my statements on the internet just as I will repeat them in real life, unlike some who hide behind so many different clones just to pretend that there are many supporters in our midst.Originally posted by soilder16:first to the moderators, i dont know is it legal to post this piece of information here. and if so, please contact me to delete again.
second, to eikei this is the information i like for provide you.
http://app.mti.gov.sg/data/pages/81/doc/frm_LEG_MLMOrder_Act.pdf
As for the moderators, I believe there is no cause to remove this topic as it is an opinion piece which is not offending to any MLM in particular. Anyway I believe very strongly that I know the MLM act much better than the anonymous heckler, thanks.
Sidenote: Sometimes I don't get how someone with a spelling mistake in the nick can actually type it so many times and don't realise its spelt wrongly! I wonder what 16 means.... Age? Clone number? -
This thread is yet another evidence of MLM companies (especially one particular one) which always threatens legal action but never materialises their threat.
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They won't listen one....only when they lose their money and frens then they will wake up....Originally posted by Eikei:To: A friend that I have not yet made
I’ve heard you have been influenced to join a company involved in “Network Marketing”, a nicer term for Multi-Level Marketing or MLM. Perhaps it is someone close to you that brought you in and introduced this opportunity to you? I know you were told to keep and open mind and be receptive of the ideas that were presented to you and the whole idea of making money, befriending people and at the same time expanding your social circle seems like a very good investment for an amount that you are willing to take out as an investment.
Possibly you have your parents, siblings or girlfriend/boyfriend in mind, thinking of how this additional source of income will aid your finances and help you provide for them better than you currently can. ItÂ’s a very filial and responsible train of thought that you have and somehow everything seems to make sense in paying a fee to participate in their programs and learn from their experiences and see what they can offer you to change your life for the better. Perhaps itÂ’s a shred of hope, a chance that you are hoping to buy.
I regret that I have to be the one who has to remove the blindfold that has been masking you. The world is a harsh and cruel place and we all have experienced some form of bad luck in the hands of fate. IÂ’m afraid that your participation in MLM might be a very painful experience indeed. I know you are thinking that IÂ’m trying to disillusion you or spoil your chances of succeeding but do hear me out, with an open mind, just like when you first heard the manager and others talk about the benefits of joining MLMs.
Let me first touch on the legal aspects of MLM. ItÂ’s a fact: MLMs are illegal in Singapore. As long as you make any money from introducing a friend to buy a license or distributorship, you are a party in propagating an illegal scheme. The law unfortunately does not look upon kindly upon people who actively participate in such schemes, finding them as guilty of breaking the law as the original creators of the scheme.
Secondly, have you heard of the claims your “uplines” have told you about making loads of money? Is a car enough proof for you? How many of the distributors actually can get to that level? Why are the same people quoted over and over again as the ones who have made it? A recent research by the Consumer Awareness Institute has found that gambling has a higher chance of making you rich compared to participating in an MLM scheme with a 97% chance of losing when gambling and a 99% chance of losing money when participating in an MLM scheme. Unless they show you the statistics of how many people recruited actually make money and back it up with income tax reports, you should be wary of the claims. A cheque on the wall can be written anytime and pasted there.
Thirdly, what exactly are you selling? Do the prices of the products sold make any sense to you? How about their recognition and reliability? The biggest question you need to ask yourself is “Am I selling a product or am I selling distributorships?” Lets take a look at a normal honest business like a franchise, which is similar to a scheme you are participating in. Franchisee purchases a franchise from the main company. He sets up a shop and sells goods belonging to the company with help from the main company in the areas of supply, stocks, marketing and promotions, all with some commission taken by the main company. However, his main business and sales volume still comes from selling tangible items. What are you selling? You are sold an idea of a franchise and you are selling this very same idea to others while paying a large amount of money to the guy who originally sold you the idea of selling ideas. Confused? Lets say you “bought” a distributorship (idea) at $1000. Then you “sell” this idea to a friend and he buys it too at $1000. However, you get only $50 out of this sale and the company takes the rest. This process can be repeated with people he sells to giving you a fraction of the money he spent. How much does the company earn compared to you?
If I were the boss of a MLM company, IÂ’d be a very happy man. All my employees would:
1) Pay me to work for me.
2) Work very hard for me for free and earn money for me at the same time.
3) Feel lousy when they canÂ’t sell enough.
4) Sack themselves and leave if they donÂ’t perform up to standard
5) Find other equally silly people to do the above 4 points for me.
Are you starting to feel a little bit conned?
DonÂ’t worry, there are a lot of people IÂ’ve spoken to who have started doubting the moment they handed over their money. The smarter ones did some research on the internet and found disturbing information that what they are participating in might be a scam. Others found that it was terribly unprofitable to participate. Then suddenly, most realize that the deal seems shadier than what they had thought at first.
Firstly, the original agreement, the page with all the clauses that they signed was not given back to them. Do you remember that whenever you purchased something theyÂ’d always give you the invoice that you signed back? That is a legal requirement. Next, they realize that the document they signed is full of legal disclaimers and references to terms and conditions that are nowhere in the contract. A sick feeling comes to the stomach as they realized that they have signed away their 7 day cooling off period and 60 day refund time and placed the fate of their ill-spent monies in the hands of the company. Best of all, the company does not recognize you as their employee or agent or representative. How about a proper official receipt that was supposed to be given to you when you make a purchase? Have you gotten one?
But the most devastating effect of participating in MLM does not lie in the monetary loss.
It lies in the network of friends you have harvested and dried up. Some have lost faith in you after you sold them a package and they lost their money. Some have heard about the truth in MLM and have kept their distance. How about the family members, cousins, friends, colleagues, school mates that you have listed down as your potential targets? Slowly your friends will notice your change as you see them as money-making opportunities instead. Some will feel betrayed by you. Some will oblige your request in the sheer goodwill of their nature, only to feel cheated and stupid for their moment of weakness. You are trading your social network for money. IÂ’m sure your friends, buddies, relatives and family are worth more than the money that you earn by recruiting them.
Suddenly, its not just only about you anymore is it?
You are young and have a bright future ahead of you. Do you know that the law does not differentiate between a distributor selling and promoting the scheme from the mastermind who created the scheme in the first placed? You are equally liable to be charged in court once it has been exposed. That will definitely throw a spanner in the works for your university studies. On top of that, if you are a NSF or a regular in the army, propagating or even being part of such a scheme will result in you being court martialled. Trust me, I studied Military Law and represented people before in a court martial.
IÂ’ve much more information regarding MLM that you might find useful. I feel that you have been kind and tolerant enough to read three pages worth and its best for me to stop here and let you reflect. Do PM me for more information and perhaps we could have an exchange of ideas regarding your MLM scheme.
Your Friend,
Eikei -
sad to said that nowadays many young ppl tot this is the easiers & fasters way to get $$$$ but it just a "LIE"
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1) Mr X gets enticed into joining MLM.
He persuades people around him (including YOU) to join him in a new business opportunity,quoting the need to have dual income, need to have entrepreneur spirit, need to change mindset..... He will also quote big and prominent names and corporations and say they are into MLM also...names like Bill Gates, IBM, Microsoft, Nike etc.....
He also claims that his MLM company is the best, with the best product, best mgmt, best team, best remuneration structure.
bankers, lawyers, heart surgeons and 747 pilots have joined this company.
top men in this company drives Porsche, lives in 2 bungalows etc....
He also mentions why things like why work for 40 years and retire for 10years. why not work for 10 years and retire for 40 years.
2) Mr X stops bothering you, taking it that you are hopeless and stubborn and ignorant.
Off he goes on his new "business" venture.
typical paraniod questions thrown at you in the heat of frustration trying to
convince you includes:
i) pyramid selling? can you explain to me what exactly is pyramid selling and the difference between pyramid selling and MLM????????
ii) you not interested then you ask so many questions for what???!!!!!
iii) if I answer this question of yours, you agree to buy and join???, then???!!!!
You will see him approaching people in all scenarios from a wedding banquet, a drinking session, a mahjong session, lunch, Incamp training etc.....
3) Mr X having been rejected by the numerous people that he approaches, now complains to you, and starts to bad-mouth those who reject him, labelling them as no ambition, kiasi, no entrepreneurship and so on. But notice that he will not mention a slight hint of the MLM business he is involved in to you, even if you ask him. Vague answers will be given like new way, new business, new concept of selling.
4) Mr X now having failed considerably to make good on his MLM business, now makes a call to you, asking casually if you are interested in joining his business venture. at most, he will mention the product itself,(magnetic mattress, health food, gold coin) but not the MLM company name itself.
5) Mr X could have approach his MLM upline trying to refund the product, but this will not be made known to people whom he had approached. Whether the refund is successful or not, only Mr X knows, (I would see this as something being done BACKSTAGE, away from the audience)
6) Mr X now still stuck, keeps to himself and stop mentioning the business. this is where the embarassment part comes into play. Extreme embarassment meaning he has shown to you so much faith, hope and promise in the thing at the very beginning and now it has failed him entirely and make him so lost. still he presists and refuses to admit its not working, for saving face sake,
7) so once in a while Mr X unleashes it again,"how would you like to join me in my business."
and the name Robert Kiyosaki is probably a standard dish being served in this whole banquet. -
yippee
scarletfever is back, with vengeance! -
1 banks are doing MLM now
2 best company, best product, best team, best package, best plans
3 Bill Gates and Microsoft
4 business opportunity
5 business owner
6 cash flow quadrant
7 China, Vietnam, India and Russia is now into MLM, billions and billions to be made.
8 civil servants are now going into network marketing, because there's no more iron ricebowl or job security for them.
9 difference between pyramid selling and Network marketing
10 don't be a frog in the well, come out and see the world.
11 dual income
12 singapore government now encourage people to go into entrepreneurship
13 even casinos these days have gone MLM.
14 even universities like Harvard, Cambridge, NUS and NTU are lecturing on network marketing
15 everything in the future is MLM
16 everything now is MLM
17 financial freedom
18 Forbes magazine, Fortune magazine
19 franchising like McDonalds'
20 global plan
21 lawyers, doctors, highly paid professionals, pilots, Mediacorp artistes all join MLM now.
22 MLM is a highly respected profession in major developed countries like US, Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan.
23 MLM is selling through by word of mouth.
24 MLM is the future
25 more and more companies doing MLM
26 move into the 21st century, and move with the trend
27 new set-up
28 new wave of marketing
29 no job security
30 no more permanent jobs, all contract jobs nowadays.
31 Now is the best time to go into MLM.
32 parables of the pipeline
33 passive income - no need to work and then money just comes in.
34 people in the comfort zone,
35 people who are lazy, losers, ignorant
36 people who are under-achievers
37 people who don't try
38 people who have no ambitions
39 people who have no self-confidence
40 proven track record
41 recession
42 refuse to change your mindset
43 residual income
44 retire early
45 Robert Kiyosaki's rich dad poor dad, Donald Trump
46 selling in XXX number of countries
47 Singaporeans afraid of failure
48 Singaporeans cannot make it
49 Singaporeans too afraid to try new things
50 Singaporeans too over-protected by Government
51 so and so quit his $50,000 per month job and join this MLM company.
52 so and so who is involved in MLM now drives Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari.
53 the world is changing
54 work at your own time, do during your free time
55 If they are cheating, they won't open so many offices, sell so many products and hire so many people.
56 If they are cheating, they would have embezzle all the money and disappear .
57 network marketing is now worth XXX billions of dollars in USA, and worth YYY billions of dollars in singapore alone and still growing.
58 network marketing now has XXX billions of ppl doing it in USA, and YYY thousands of ppl doing it in Singapore
59 No point talking to people who don't understand and cannot see the future potential of MLM lah!!
60 Our products are made by the oldest, biggest, most established, most renowned factory in Europe, USA, Japan, Australia.
61 This MLM company is audited by Ernst and Young / Deloitte and Touche / KPMG / PWC
62 This MLM company is listed in New York, London and Hong Kong, and going to be listed in SGX also.
63 this Network marketing company is certified and approved by Lee and Lee.
64 We going to invest massively in computer, e-business and internet technologies to market our products.
65 We have just launched our new product.
66 We have the money, the credibility, the cutting edge software and a well runned system.
67 We have just opened a new office at Suntec City / Clarke Quay / Raffles Place
68 We have just opened a new branch in KL / Jakarta / Taipei / Bangkok
69 MLM is the fastest and the only way for the poor like us to be rich.
70 MLM will render all the traditional selling, advertising and marketing obsolete
71 "HOW MUCH ARE YOU EARNING???? only $XXXX???, MLMers also earn more than you!!!!"
72 "How much is a can of Coke? Do you know how much is its manufactured price? Do you feel exploited?"
73 "i have at least try to be successful, to improve my finances, what have you done to improve your finances, NOTHING?"
74 "I have explained to you everything about this company and its product, now can we go on to the compensation plans and system of each company and the differences?"
75 "I kena retrenched?, no problem, I still got my Network marketing business."
76 "If i show you the evidence that MLM can work, will you join? no? then show you also no use what!!!"
77 "If i tell you how much i make from MLM and show you the proof, will you join? no? then you ask so much for what!!!!????"
78 "its the product!!, we are talking about the PRODUCT!!"
79 "Prove to me MLM is a failure!!, why? no proof?"
80 "Tell me what you know about MLM / Pyramid selling / Robert Kiyosaki"
81 "We want to help you achieve success in life, not keen?, then you can carry on with that
miserable 9-5 job of yours"
82 "When people ask you what u work as, you can tell them, I'M A BUSINESSMAN!";;
83 "You ask around with your network of friends, classmates, and relatives for better job opportunities in their companies, isn't that network marketing also?"
84 "You can be the next Bill Gates"
85 "You have a better way than Network marketing? show it to me!! don't have??!!"
86 "You have already lost your job, why not give it a try?"
87 "You have to work hard in MLM, who says no need to work hard? the money donÂ’t just flow in
like that"
88 "You wanna meet up, i can show you and explain to your more about our company's plans"
89 "You wanna work till you are 70?"
90 "You want credit card?" (when it's a debit card)
91 "You want proof that Microsoft / Citibank / IBM /Coke is doing MLM? We meet up and I show you the proof"
92 "You want your income to be a straight line or an exponential curve?"
93 "You work in an MNC? MNC has CEO down to Directors down to Managers down to Executives down to you. isn't that pyramid also?"
94 "Your present full time job is very stable , so you can do this part-time, MLM can help supplement your income."
95 "All of us are doing MLM everyday. You watch a movie, tell your friends its nice, ask them go watch, isn't that network marketing?"
96 "You are so adversed to MLM because you don't understand the business.
100 You should always try to CONvince someone, when u cant convince, u try to CONfuse, if not, u try to CONtrol them with ur words. If all fails, u will CON them.
101 "Psst... u r new to this ya noe... so dun go around tell ur fren that we r mlm company... else they all scared will run away... u noe lah a few years back got some pyramid scheme company, make us mlm company lose reputation... so if u tell pple we mlm u surely cannot get anybody to join... so u tell them u have a special business opportunity for them... a new type of e-biz thing... if they still not convinced u can tell them (a certain reputable bank) is providing our e-banking services... but remember dun tell them too much cos u still new mah, so may tell them wrong info..."
102 "When somebody asks u a qns, u must answer him in the most unexpected way... for example he asks, 'Will the company collapse or not?' u dun answer him no. instead u ask him back, 'Will microsoft collapse or not?' Then he will be taken aback and u can continue on... The most important thing is to make sure u answer him in unexpected manners n keep talking so he will feel confused n gong gong... once u can get him down to our office, we will surely be able to get him to join..." -
To Eikei,
maybe you can copy out both my posts - LIFE CYCLE OF MLM and FAVORITE PHRASES OF MLMERs, print them out on A4 paper, and distribute them around in NTI or any other MLM company. Its FREE!!!
To Lawrence82,
I will just about to apologise to you for making you bored with my two posts AGAIN. hahahahahaa. -
Geez, sounds so familiar.
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I already have a BOOK with all these inside. Compiled by a particular MLM company. hahahaha its so funny I handed it to the Press and we had a good laugh over a cup of coffee. Anyway as I read your post, I can think of so many violent responses I use to have to such talk. Now its more of a relaxed, its so passe kind of attitude to such trash talk.
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aiyah ... actually bro ... I say, leave them be ...
some lessons in life can only be learnt the hard way ... but I suppose it'll stay with them longer .... -
but an active voice might also get them out of their sticky situation. which is good.Originally posted by Fatum:aiyah ... actually bro ... I say, leave them be ...
some lessons in life can only be learnt the hard way ... but I suppose it'll stay with them longer .... 
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I suspect people who get sucked in are people with minds already susceptible to brain-washing ... so it's already a lost cause ..Originally posted by Ito_^:but an active voice might also get them out of their sticky situation. which is good. -
well, i am neutral on this, i do support MLM as a mean of distribution in a business sense, but its the damned people i hate
Some dont price their stuff competitively with the market of similar goods, charge damn high registration fees, focused on recruiting instead of selling, and a lot of companies which focused on youngsters train a bunch of hooligans than professional distributors.
It defeats the aim of distributing products to the masses.
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The problem with MLM is MLM is not the future, its the past! With internet, who needs to direct sell anymore? MLM was invented to bring products to far flung, remote towns in America where there aren't any large departmental stores or malls nearby, giving the buyer the benefit of the convenience of not needing to travel and giving the seller a little incentive for carrying the product. In this age of Ebay and other online malls, auction sites with free delivery, is there a need for a MLM network, especially in Singapore where the malls selling such stuff are less than an hour's ride away? (And most stuff are cheaper at the malls.)
Dell is the world's largest Direct Seller and they don't have distributors and so on, all their buisness is done on the internet and through telemarketing. No commissions and no promoters pushing stuff, except at roadshows. And the Dell family ranks amongst the top 5 richest people in the world.
MLM is such a misnomer as they aren't really doing marketing. I know a bit about sales and marketing/product branding and this is absolutely not the way to push a product.
Forcing or coercing a friend to buy into a plan is like forced marriage. Some work out, some don't but there is sure alot of misery involved in the process. -
Originally posted by Eikei:
To: A friend that I have not yet made
I regret that I have to be the one who has to remove the blindfold that has been masking you. The world is a harsh and cruel place and we all have experienced some form of bad luck in the hands of fate. IÂ’m afraid that your participation in MLM might be a very painful experience indeed. I know you are thinking that IÂ’m trying to disillusion you or spoil your chances of succeeding but do hear me out, with an open mind, just like when you first heard the manager and others talk about the benefits of joining MLMs.
Yes,we live a broken down world. But only those w/o faith will use bad luck and fate as an excuse to be responsible for their bad encounter, which was a result of their own choice made. What we choose today will determine our future.
Let me first touch on the legal aspects of MLM. ItÂ’s a fact: MLMs are illegal in Singapore. As long as you make any money from introducing a friend to buy a license or distributorship, you are a party in propagating an illegal scheme. The law unfortunately does not look upon kindly upon people who actively participate in such schemes, finding them as guilty of breaking the law as the original creators of the scheme.
FYI, commission is paid only when there is product purchased by the new distributor. Entrance fee is normally for starter kits and does not involve any products and hence no commission earned from here. However, new distributors are normally advised to purchase some products for own usage and from there gain knowledge of the products. But ultimately it is still up to individual to decide if he/she wants to buy once becoming a member/distributor.
Secondly, have you heard of the claims your “uplines” have told you about making loads of money? Is a car enough proof for you? How many of the distributors actually can get to that level? Why are the same people quoted over and over again as the ones who have made it? A recent research by the Consumer Awareness Institute has found that gambling has a higher chance of making you rich compared to participating in an MLM scheme with a 97% chance of losing when gambling and a 99% chance of losing money when participating in an MLM scheme. Unless they show you the statistics of how many people recruited actually make money and back it up with income tax reports, you should be wary of the claims. A cheque on the wall can be written anytime and pasted there.
Well, it is true that earning huge income is possible in Network Marketing. All because of the leverage effect and the residual income generated through the network. It is also true tat not everyone can make it to the top. Can every student in a class make it to the top? No, simply because all of us have different perspective and focus. Not able to rise to the top doesn't mean tat you loose everything. Do you quit if you are not at the top level mgt in your company after working for a number of yrs?
We r talking abt doing business and not playing with chance.
Do you ask for any statistic when you go interview for job to assure you tat the company still have the capacity to grow and will not collapse after you join them? If you understand MLM, you should know tat every distributor is an independent business partner. There is risk to be taken. Thus it is not for the faint hearted and impatience. If you have doubts, don't join.
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registered for 3 yrs n tis is ur 1st post??