Bel' Air
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I really suspect your agenda when it comes to your posts as you are either unable to articulate your thoughts well or have some knowledge or opinion you are not saying out in the open yet. Like most sales people, qualifications do not matter to an entry-level salesman but why do senior salesman or marketing executives all hold degrees? There must be some value to the training of the mind in those years in the university correct? It is callous for anyone to dismiss education in favor of starting work in an industry as unstable and untested as the MLM industry.
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Hey me again! And they use example of Bill Gates who dropout of uni & now he is world top billionaire. Pls, in the earth, how many people can be like Bill Gates so lucky. (With ideas, creative) How many Bill Gates are there in the world now? How many Einstein Albert are there since he deceased? No rite!Originally posted by doggytb:perhaps that is true for some uni students...
But i know that I'm still studying cuz it's my parent's dream for me to get hold of my degree...
and besides, having all the money and time in the world is one thing... I still intend to work after I graduate if I like what I am doing in my job. Just that I have a safety net if things go wrong -
Haha, does it matter to you whether I'm 'specifically' anti BA? Then those who claimed to send "police" to check on them, does it mean they wanted to condemn BA? Why you don't ask them the question as you asking me? (Very funny) Why you bother if I condemning it to heck? Since as you "not" in BA, why is that so is disturbing you?Originally posted by laurence82:Are you specifically anti BA, or comes from another MLM company, or have other agendas?
What disturbing me is your references to Robert Kiyosaki's books while at the same time condemning BA to heck..another telling sign
Are you a fan of Robert. T. Kiyosaki? Have you read before other MLM books beside his? Alot of MLM companies are using his books to share with their prospects. Cos in his book are all postitive claims of MLM.
Haiz, the topic here are for us to share what we thought of BA is not our cup of tea, is not really that good as other seem, some claimed it conned people. So there won't be any nice compliments about them! You still dun understand? -
I would love to share my comments, only if the posts i read dont look like its written and coloured like some Montessori school homework
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Ha, I dun need alot of people to get what I meant! Put it in a simple way, U dun understand what I'm writing about, it ok, as some of others do understand it.Originally posted by Eikei:I really suspect your agenda when it comes to your posts as you are either unable to articulate your thoughts well or have some knowledge or opinion you are not saying out in the open yet. Like most sales people, qualifications do not matter to an entry-level salesman but why do senior salesman or marketing executives all hold degrees? There must be some value to the training of the mind in those years in the university correct? It is callous for anyone to dismiss education in favor of starting work in an industry as unstable and untested as the MLM industry.
Pls... if you're refering to those jobs, of cos it understandable you dun need a degrees or so to do that. And do you think degrees holders will be doing sales, not mostly.
What I'm not saying out in open, or what I'm hiding, pls enlighten me.
Do I really have to say alot or explain from A to Z for everthing I quoted then it will be a very long essay. Those EX-BA & people attended the seminar b4 will understand it.
Those words..... "toilet papers" were been said by BA leaders! They dun think U need to further your study as...........
SO HAVE YOU ATTEND BA SEMINAR B4? PLS DO ANS MY QUESTION TOO! TKS.
P/S: Dun question me as your buddy, Lauren.... do. JUST QUOTE YOUR OPTIONAL ABOUT MLM OR BA. -
I can understand some people are not creative or colourful sort. Dun used such excuses lah, for God sake!Originally posted by laurence82:I would love to share my comments, only if the posts i read dont look like its written and coloured like some Montessori school homework
And you're not just sharing ur comments to me, for other too. Hey, some of the others are not highlighting their words, why you dun comment over them instead?
Halo, really u dun commented on "dont look like its written and coloured like some Montessori school homework" then why previously you're doing that! Real funny rite, guys out there! Just childish excuse not to quote, it ok, save it so, tks! Hope you won't be commenting anymore as you claimed. -
Halo, everyone out there, just quote it. You're here to quote whatever you think Bel'Air is not damn good!
We dun bother you're Ex-BA, Attended their seminar B4 just comment anything bad about Bel'Air here. As Bel'Air supporters, you're welcome to read but pls do not write theory to us, tks!
Here our topic are about our views of disagreed of what BA are doing.
Pls excused us, if it seem "horrible"
to BA supporters out here! This our spaces to share our bad views about BA. If offended, pls do leave here ASAP! -
So this thread is dedicated to only anti BA discussion?
Sigh, how have people perverted the meaning of 'discussion' -
It isn't much of a discussion if its just posts about how bad BA is and stuff is it? This topic is Bel'Air, not SLAM Bel'Air or BAD THINGS about Bel'Air.Originally posted by Life2BfUn:Halo, everyone out there, just quote it. You're here to quote whatever you think Bel'Air is not damn good!
We dun bother you're Ex-BA, Attended their seminar B4 just comment anything bad about Bel'Air here. As Bel'Air supporters, you're welcome to read but pls do not write theory to us, tks!
Here our topic are about our views of disagreed of what BA are doing.
Pls excused us, if it seem "horrible" to BA supporters out here! This our spaces to share our bad views about BA. If offended, pls do leave here ASAP!
I can't really understand what you mean byQUOTE YOUR OPTIONAL ABOUT MLM OR BA
But I do know that what you are writing seems highly distorted, not only by all the colours and underlines and bolds but also by all the random targeting any anybody who happens to have anything to say here. -
I have read threads posted in NTI- Paris and topic started by Eikei " To all young MLMers ". Postings from laurence82 & Eikei demostrated clearly they are against unscrupulous MLM companies, just like most of us here. I have no doubts at all their good intentions of warning people to be wary of some MLM companies who are out to make a quick buck through brainwashing & misrepresentations.
In particular, I find Bel'Air disguised pyramid scheme of focusing on recruitment rather than product abhorrent and distasteful. I stand by what I say about Bel'Air:- Recruitment oriented with every intention to get those attending their seminars to cut Count costing more than 12K. The cycle repeats itself with the newly recruited Count looking for more Counts. You call this an MLM company? I am still waiting for a post who feels Bel'Air is a great company, has changed their lives or whatsoever. -
Just to add, i know friends who may have been ''convinced'' or ''psychoed'' in some way or another that Belair is a great company and they believe it initially until somehow along the way they lost the drive or motivation to continue the so-called business and they find that they regretted they had been irrational in making the decision.
The result is that some of them STILL owe people and banks money. wtf?! Some wanted to refund but can't because they lost their invoice. And the company which still holds the record of the invoice refused to refund one of my friends. They really regret their decision to join this bloody company. Another friend took a long time to wait for his refund and I don't know if he still got back his refund. Maybe not yet? One more thing also: distributors will not get back their full refund because of GST 5% and the 10 % loss if u decide to quit after more than 2 weeks. I dunno if they still have other miscellaneous charges to minimise their loss as well as ur refunds. -
Donoko, if your friend can get 60~70% refund, then he /she must thank god liao, becos now the new ugly method these BA SUKERS using is when ppl cut count (later once they cut become clown), their uplines will design the count products for his new clown to purchase at leat 50~60% on those non-refundable good like cosmetics & health products.
So when the new clown wanted to withdrawn before 90days, he/she also cannot get back the money
. You know why, becos if the downline withdraw, the uplines have to pay back the commission they have earned earlier. As everone know all these SUCKERS uplines have no $$$$, how the hell they get the $$$$ pay back to the Company & they also don want to pay
In short" U die better than i die"
So ATTENTION all NEW CLOWN, please check your invoice carefully & don happy so soon....REFUND....ha ha ha .... no way.......... DAMN -
I don think there will be anyone will post Bel'Air is a great company but what i know Bel'air really changed some of the ppl life, from ordinary to bankruptcyOriginally posted by k2wanviet:I have read threads posted in NTI- Paris and topic started by Eikei " To all young MLMers ". Postings from laurence82 & Eikei demostrated clearly they are against unscrupulous MLM companies, just like most of us here. I have no doubts at all their good intentions of warning people to be wary of some MLM companies who are out to make a quick buck through brainwashing & misrepresentations.
In particular, I find Bel'Air disguised pyramid scheme of focusing on recruitment rather than product abhorrent and distasteful. I stand by what I say about Bel'Air:- Recruitment oriented with every intention to get those attending their seminars to cut Count costing more than 12K. The cycle repeats itself with the newly recruited Count looking for more Counts. You call this an MLM company? I am still waiting for a post who feels Bel'Air is a great company, has changed their lives or whatsoever.
Some of them becos cannot pay the car loan, the finance company TOW car liao. One of the ex-distributor, previously was a small contractor then after joined Belair for about 3 years, owe ppl & bank about S$1xx,000 .......poor thing BELAIR really changed their life [/color] -
Desperate and despicable uplines who will do anything for the sake of moneyOriginally posted by VeryFree1:Donoko, if your friend can get 60~70% refund, then he /she must thank god liao, becos now the new ugly method these BA SUKERS using is when ppl cut count (later once they cut become clown), their uplines will design the count products for his new clown to purchase at leat 50~60% on those non-refundable good like cosmetics & health products.
So when the new clown wanted to withdrawn before 90days, he/she also cannot get back the money . You know why, becos if the downline withdraw, the uplines have to pay back the commission they have earned earlier. As everone know all these SUCKERS uplines have no $$$$, how the hell they get the $$$$ pay back to the Company & they also don want to pay
In short" U die better than i die"
So ATTENTION all NEW CLOWN, please check your invoice carefully & don happy so soon....REFUND....ha ha ha .... no way.......... DAMN
When I posted in an earlier topic, this is what a Bel'Air Marquise wrote:-
hmmm.... All we've heard so far are negatives, some consolation for consumer protection is the money back guarantee... (which was not brought up in this forum)
if at any point anyone joining the business felt this is not for them, thgere's a 100% money back guarantee in 14 days and those taking a bigger position like Count, there;s 90% refund by the company +10% refund by upline (so its still 100%) money back guarantee within 6 months upon joining.
Oh ,,,, and sorry if this piece of information is out of place here - not intended to be rhetoric, desparate or dodging....just for general information if its of any use for your curiosity.[/i][/color]
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It sounds very nice to have their refund Policy but according to MLM laws, they are required to give a 100% refund within 60 Days minus an acceptable administrative fee. They are shortchanging people who are asking for refunds if they get any less than this or are denied refunds before the 60 days is up.
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true lor...thats the reason y i'm here to warn others before they join. The 10% refund by the upline is only applicable that the uplines are still active and has sales volume. furthermore, the 90% refund by company is for those non-promotional items onli, i.e. not all 90% as stated. that person who wanted the refun can really "kao bo bak sai"....as what happened to many of my friendsOriginally posted by k2wanviet:Desperate and despicable uplines who will do anything for the sake of money
When I posted in an earlier topic, this is what a Bel'Air Marquise wrote:-
hmmm.... All we've heard so far are negatives, some consolation for consumer protection is the money back guarantee... (which was not brought up in this forum)
if at any point anyone joining the business felt this is not for them, thgere's a 100% money back guarantee in 14 days and those taking a bigger position like Count, there;s 90% refund by the company +10% refund by upline (so its still 100%) money back guarantee within 6 months upon joining.
Oh ,,,, and sorry if this piece of information is out of place here - not intended to be rhetoric, desparate or dodging....just for general information if its of any use for your curiosity.[/i][/color]
Do you think these people can be trusted?
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a new company named SYN network is using the same concept as Bel Air to enter the singapore market. It has been around malaysia for six years.
http://mlmg.sgforums.com/?action=thread_di...hread_id=189843
do read for more information
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they said bill gates predict networking is the future trend. but little do they know what kinda networking they're talking about, its computers not MLMOriginally posted by Life2BfUn:Hey me again! And they use example of Bill Gates who dropout of uni & now he is world top billionaire. Pls, in the earth, how many people can be like Bill Gates so lucky. (With ideas, creative) How many Bill Gates are there in the world now? How many Einstein Albert are there since he deceased? No rite!
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wah lao eh...had read the above mentioned thread. seems that this steven yang can be yet another commander of artillery unit...damn "tua pao"...talk don't need any money mah...seal orchard road and fly helicopters?? SEAL his a** then fly him aeroplanes then more like itOriginally posted by orange88:a new company named SYN network is using the same concept as Bel Air to enter the singapore market. It has been around malaysia for six years.
http://mlmg.sgforums.com/?action=thread_di...hread_id=189843
do read for more information -
Yup, you're rite, Bill Gates refering to network mean computer, cos in I.T. industry, networking is about Computer's things. Then the word, networking slowing becoming to be widly use in other industries.Originally posted by orange88:they said bill gates predict networking is the future trend. but little do they know what kinda networking they're talking about, its computers not MLM
Search from this website: http://www.ictp.trieste.it/~ejds/seminars2002/Carlo_Fonda/networking/page2.html
What "networking" means ?
1) net - working = working together
2) networking = collaborative work, exchange of information, sharing of knowledge and capabilities, integration
3) networking = infrastructures, computers, cables (and wireless), services, training, support
4) networking = a bidirectional stream of valuable updated information
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Wow, LB duck s....... so free or just name himself ducks or aim for that statue. LB is so-called BA sister co. The CEOs both companies are Huang bros.Originally posted by orange88:a new company named SYN network is using the same concept as Bel Air to enter the singapore market. It has been around malaysia for six years.
http://mlmg.sgforums.com/?action=thread_di...hread_id=189843
do read for more information
You've to complete 5 cows to acheive to Monkey. It sound quite easy just to complete 5 cows but ur PV need to achieve required PV then u might achieve it! And if you want ur grp contribute bonus($), to get ur bonus($) from ur either 5 downlines' downlines, you still need to buy prdt to "certain" PV then enable you to get their PV to b'come ur bonus($). This hidden requirements, all monkeys dun tell U, when they explain the Con./Marketing Plan to their propects or associates, all monkeys & above ranks dun tell you that. Only when you're C.M going to B monkeys then they will tell u so to request you to get to ur rank & $onus. After those achieved C.M or Monkeys they won't tell any cows about it cos u're still only a cows, when u become C.M to attain Monkeys then ur grp's monkey will tell U so.
Above mentioned heard b4 from my Ex-BA or...... forget who told me liao. -
the above shows they are not being upfront with you...Originally posted by Life2BfUn:Wow, LB duck s....... so free or just name himself ducks or aim for that statue. LB is so-called BA sister co. The CEOs both companies are Huang bros.
You've to complete 5 cows to acheive to Monkey. It sound quite easy just to complete 5 cows but ur PV need to achieve required PV then u might achieve it! And if you want ur grp contribute bonus($), to get ur bonus($) from ur either 5 downlines' downlines, you still need to buy prdt to "certain" PV then enable you to get their PV to b'come ur bonus($). This hidden requirements, all monkeys dun tell U, when they explain the Con./Marketing Plan to their propects or associates, all monkeys & above ranks dun tell you that. Only when you're C.M going to B monkeys then they will tell u so to request you to get to ur rank & $onus. After those achieved C.M or Monkeys they won't tell any cows about it cos u're still only a cows, when u become C.M to attain Monkeys then ur grp's monkey will tell U so.
Above mentioned heard b4 from my Ex-BA or...... forget who told me liao.
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I would be surprised if there are exceptions. They will tell the minimum just to get you to sign on the dotted line. After cutting Count, the uplines will stuff you with "promotional items", cosmetics or healthcare products which may not be refundable. Besides, they demand Counts to pay a yearly fees as a contribution for the rental of the seminar rooms. This will be told after you cut Count not before. If you decide not to pay the yearly fees, you would have to pay for the prospects every time you bring them to attend the brainwashing sesson.Originally posted by dokono:the above shows they are not being upfront with you...
does this action represent all the groups in belair or only 1 or two groups only?
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ya ya...k2wanviet, i don't know whether you need to burn the lamps whenever you are attending opp, rtm or other seminars during the period you joined. in my time, we must do that...imagine having to buy new oils to burn after you had used up all your current stocks...KNN man, like burning money like that....even if i burn joss paper also not that fast!!!Originally posted by k2wanviet:I would be surprised if there are exceptions. They will tell the minimum just to get you to sign on the dotted line. After cutting Count, the uplines will stuff you with "promotional items", cosmetics or healthcare products which may not be refundable. Besides, they demand Counts to pay a yearly fees as a contribution for the rental of the seminar rooms. This will be told after you cut Count not before. If you decide not to pay the yearly fees, you would have to pay for the prospects every time you bring them to attend the brainwashing sesson.
Trust them and your money will go down the drain.
but luckily now all buses and mrt banned the use of the lighted lamps and transportation of oils due to safety concern...as all the B'A people had a potential petrol bomb with them! terrorists!!! call police!!! call "matah" -
Wah hahaha. This reminded me of my dream two days ago. In that dream, I was asked by Bel' Air to collect my stocks ($14k worth of it) cos I signed the contract. I did sign something, but like a distributor document... but lucky I did not provide my account no., IC or photograph...Originally posted by k2wanviet:I would be surprised if there are exceptions. They will tell the minimum just to get you to sign on the dotted line. After cutting Count, the uplines will stuff you with "promotional items", cosmetics or healthcare products which may not be refundable. Besides, they demand Counts to pay a yearly fees as a contribution for the rental of the seminar rooms. This will be told after you cut Count not before. If you decide not to pay the yearly fees, you would have to pay for the prospects every time you bring them to attend the brainwashing sesson.
Trust them and your money will go down the drain.
Scary sia....