HELP!!!
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Best wishes!
Let us know about the outcome. Through others' experience, your friend will have a very peaceful and good sleep on Monday nite. A sense of rejoice and freedom immediately after the process.
God bless.
cheers,Originally posted by i am a guest:By the way, i have convinced my friend. We re going to Commonwealth tomorrow... -
Same, Im waiting for the result too.Originally posted by concerned_man:Best wishes!
Let us know about the outcome. Through others' experience, your friend will have a very peaceful and good sleep on Monday nite. A sense of rejoice and freedom immediately after the process.
God bless.
cheers,
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Thanks everyone.
I just came back from Bel'Air. The result was not good. We filled in a form and then there was a guy came to talk to us. He told us that the company need the signature of the upline. The refund will be like 30% within the next 2 weeks and the rest within 2 months. I told him that we don't want to communicate with the upline and we want to get the money back as soon as possible. He said that since my friend dealt with the upline, the company can't do anything before they collect back the commissions from the upline. I argued that the upline is actually an agent and according to Agency Act, the company which they represent is fully liable for money and I don't care about the upline. But still, he asked us to wait. I will have to check the agency law again.
By the way, we have returned all the goods. I told my friend to be keen if the upline approach and try to convince her. We have not known how much we could get back yet. Hopefully, it could be 90% or more... -
Not to worry. Your friend is safe. So long as your friend has sign the paper and return the stocks you have completed all things u need to do.
Her upline marquis need also to sign something. Keep all necessary documents.
Whether or not the company get back the $ from your friends upline is not within your friend concern - it should be the company. Because all stocks return to the company.
cheers,Originally posted by i am a guest:Thanks everyone.
I just came back from Bel'Air. The result was not good. We filled in a form and then there was a guy came to talk to us. He told us that the company need the signature of the upline. The refund will be like 30% within the next 2 weeks and the rest within 2 months. I told him that we don't want to communicate with the upline and we want to get the money back as soon as possible. He said that since my friend dealt with the upline, the company can't do anything before they collect back the commissions from the upline. I argued that the upline is actually an agent and according to Agency Act, the company which they represent is fully liable for money and I don't care about the upline. But still, he asked us to wait. I will have to check the agency law again.
By the way, we have returned all the goods. I told my friend to be keen if the upline approach and try to convince her. We have not known how much we could get back yet. Hopefully, it could be 90% or more... -
Yes I think you guys did all the things that needs to be done. Good job though. The main point is you did return the goods and so it's out of your concern. Now just stay away from that group and push the company to process this thing as fast as possible.
Nice job man,
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Please remember to find a best accountant to verify the PV and $.
Peace.
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Guys,
Quick question. The group just called my friend and ask her to meet them tonight. My friend is kind of hoping that she could somehow convince them to give her the full refund. Is that possible? Could the upline people decide that? Could they refuse to sign the form?
About the accounting, the man this morning told me that the company accountants will do that, we can't choose the accountant...
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If your friend is by nature on the softside or easily influenced, don't go at all cost. Don't go if they choose the time and date and place. When everything is settle, yes meet them up is no problem. Rearrange for another meeting after getting the $ and you and your friend set the place time and date, don't go alone. Still friends mah.
I am sorry to have mislead you, I meant find a friend who is good in Maths and calculations to verify the amount to be return to your friend just in case.
Company accountant can sometime make mistake one.Originally posted by i am a guest:Guys,
Quick question. The group just called my friend and ask her to meet them tonight. My friend is kind of hoping that she could somehow convince them to give her the full refund. Is that possible? Could the upline people decide that? Could they refuse to sign the form?
About the accounting, the man this morning told me that the company accountants will do that, we can't choose the accountant...
Should we meet the upline people? Or just abandon them? -
They are not in the position to give full or not full refund. They are just the distributor. The company decides. The upline cannot refuse to sign, it is not within the guidlines, not to worry. It could be that her upline is genuniely want to settle this, because this is now at company level. If the meetup is not for this matter don't have to go.
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It's true, go with her but re-arrange the meeting!
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Originally posted by concerned_man:
just to clarify...
They are not in the position to give full or not full refund. They are just the distributor. The company decides. The upline cannot refuse to sign, it is not within the guidlines, not to worry. It could be that her upline is genuniely want to settle this, because this is now at company level. If the meetup is not for this matter don't have to go. And also, if she is going, PLEASE go with her.
The company will call the upline and give them 1 week to settle it, if not the company will proceed after you acknowledge to proceed... -
most likely the uplines will ask you to meet them at their training area...Originally posted by warlockftw:It's true, go with her but re-arrange the meeting!
Cheers,
Don't Go !
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It seems like this company created quite a stir recently. At this rate of refund-seekers, i wonder this spells trouble for the company.
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Yes I mean re-arrange the meeting somewhere else. So you can choose a place, but for the sake of god, dont go to training area.Originally posted by Twincat:most likely the uplines will ask you to meet them at their training area...
Don't Go !
State your place and time instead...They want to talk to you not the other way round...You must have the control. -
My friend does not want to lose the 10% and she wants to return the promotional items as well. This morning, we went to CASE to seek for help. Unfortunately, they said that since my friend bougt the items not for personal use, they can't do anything. However, we could go to subordinate court and sue for the small claims tribunal. Anyway, the maximum we can claim is limited to $10000 which is about the same as the 90% return...
In the afternoon, my friend consulted her law teacher (she is studying in NUS). Her teacher said that it's very much likely that Bel'Air is illegal. And then he took her straight to Commonwealth to talk to them again. After a lot of arguing, they still didn't agree to return the full money. My friend's teacher said that we have 2 options now:
1. make a police report: risk is that the police will close the company's account to do investigation and we can't get the money back anytime soon. And also, the process is very time-consuming and costly since it will involve lawyers.
2. accept their 90% return: risk is that although they said the refund would be within 2 months but who knows? It might take a year... -
I see. Just wanting to understand about how much is the value of all the special items that your friend has and cannot return.
I have to agree that 10% of a count stock is not a small amount. Especially for ordinary people like me. But my experiences tell me that people who made the withdrawal were very statisfied about getting back the 90%. All that they wanted to do is to disengage and not to have any association with Bel'Air in the future. They ran as fast as they could .... far away from commonwealth.
Interesting.
cheers,Originally posted by i am a guest:My friend does not want to lose the 10% and she wants to return the promotional items as well. This morning, we went to CASE to seek for help. Unfortunately, they said that since my friend bougt the items not for personal use, they can't do anything. However, we could go to subordinate court and sue for the small claims tribunal. Anyway, the maximum we can claim is limited to $10000 which is about the same as the 90% return...
In the afternoon, my friend consulted her law teacher (she is studying in NUS). Her teacher said that it's very much likely that Bel'Air is illegal. And then he took her straight to Commonwealth to talk to them again. After a lot of arguing, they still didn't agree to return the full money. My friend's teacher said that we have 2 options now:
1. make a police report: risk is that the police will close the company's account to do investigation and we can't get the money back anytime soon. And also, the process is very time-consuming and costly since it will involve lawyers.
2. accept their 90% return: risk is that although they said the refund would be within 2 months but who knows? It might take a year... -
it's difficult to get the 10 percent as far as i know cos they will be charging the 10 percent as part of so-called "admin duties", especially so after 14 days.
and also it's part of their agreement too i tink when a distributor signs the form.
in other words it's difficult to get back full refund. When u invested they take ur money fast, but when u want to withdraw ur money back, it's damn slow..
are they playing mind games? and tricks? delaying tactics argh..
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the question is how long do they need to wait to get back the full 90% refund if not more?Originally posted by concerned_man:I see. Just wanting to understand about how much is the value of all the special items that your friend has and cannot return.
I have to agree that 10% of a count stock is not a small amount. Especially for ordinary people like me. But my experiences tell me that people who made the withdrawal were very statisfied about getting back the 90%. All that they wanted to do is to disengage and not to have any association with Bel'Air in the future. They ran as fast as they could .... far away from commonwealth.
Interesting.
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the MLM company ask you to wait, its all a delaying tactic, to ensure that you crossed over the warranty or refund period of 1 week or 1 month or whatever.
get someone else to replace you after you have invested $14000 in?
the upline will probably say the new sucker you just brought in will have to invest $14000
just so that YOU can get back your refund 100%.
the upline or MLM company ain't going to refund you $14000 if the new sucker you bring in is just going to throw in a few hundred bucks.
no one is that stupid to replace $14000 with few hundred dollars.
sometimes i wonder where these fools (teenagers probably) come out with 5 digit sums of money.
they must pay the price to learn from their stupidity, naviety, gullibility. (NUS student somemore).
helping them get the money back is not the way.
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sometimes i wonder how bel'air managed to be a sponsor in NDP for the past few years as well as NKF donor
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because they make alot of money from people investing in cheap products. thats why they got alot of money to play with.
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To be the principle sponsor for NKF and NDP. I believe, having a lot of $ is one, but having a strong influencing people behind them is another reason.
Because, most MLM companies will have the $ to make this strategic investment (NKF and NDP). But without strong recommendation or connection, personally I don't think it is possible.
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when you willingly to offer money to sponsor, nobody will say no.
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I was told they got invited to be a sponsor.
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It is highly probable that the relevant authority will perform some checks on the sponsoring companies, especially it is at national level.