any opinion of Usana and Overseas upline
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I recently attended a presentation by Usana and looks quite impressive product line. But my introducer is from Australia who calls me now and then. He is very impressive talker and gives me a lot of confidence. Can somebody share with me if you have any bad experience having upline support from Australia
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Is alright to join oversea upline, but make sure of the support.Originally posted by 2005wss:I recently attended a presentation by Usana and looks quite impressive product line. But my introducer is from Australia who calls me now and then. He is very impressive talker and gives me a lot of confidence. Can somebody share with me if you have any bad experience having upline support from Australia -
USANA has excellent infrastructure framework, I believed. I not in favour of having upline from foreign country, unless he or she is able to comprehen and have a sound understanding your values and culture.
Nevertheless, I' believed there must be others with oversea's upline achieving good results.
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Overseas Support really hard. Please make sure they have really simple marketing and system plan. So, after they told you, you will understand, no need to repeat it again.
First, their products must consumable, you'll need it every month. No need to spend extra money just to buy the products.
Let's start international sponsoring. I'm working with Amway here in Indonesia. Our Group has really simple marketing and system plan.
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Besides the worry that upline being an overseas - which I'm worried that what if my downlines join and someone physically should be present locally to help explain something. I also realise Usana has a compulsory purchase monthly in order to earn overriding. Are all MLM company also like that?
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Most company need you to have a monthly mantain to qualify for commission. This can be done in retails sale or personal comsume.Originally posted by 2005wss:Besides the worry that upline being an overseas - which I'm worried that what if my downlines join and someone physically should be present locally to help explain something. I also realise Usana has a compulsory purchase monthly in order to earn overriding. Are all MLM company also like that? -
Cultural difference, Westerners tend to be more assertive and outgoing, if you have tendency to be shy and conservative, this will be an issue.
I dont understand, for example, when i was in herbalife last time, my upline, an Australian, station himself for two three years in sg to build p downlines' network
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as I'm new in looking at various MLM, any of you like to recommend a fair income plan with good future earning potential?
I'll try to go to the Bestworld presentation on Thursday.
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I suggest you to try amway...
I think this company is fair....
They are in 90 countries...since 1959 still survive...
and overseas sponsoring...they are fair too...in bonus..
here in Indonesia, their starter kit, you can return it in 3 months if you can run the business...
most of the product, you can return it too in 3 months.
but remember..it depends on your upline...there are good upline and bad upline.
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After looking at various MLM, what is the main stuff that interest you? I think you might have look at many companies, so, doesn't anyone interest you?Originally posted by 2005wss:as I'm new in looking at various MLM, any of you like to recommend a fair income plan with good future earning potential?
I'll try to go to the Bestworld presentation on Thursday.
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Hi, this is my first ever attempt in an online discussion. I'm a full time networker & I found this forum by accident because I was searching the Internet to know how our society is perceiving MLM after it had been legalised for 5 years.
From the discussion in the forum, I found some meaningful feedback but there are also too much bickering. However, I would still like to share my experience to all who are interested in this business model.
Before we decide on what company, product or COM plan to market, I think we've to understand the MLM concept more. MLM is not about selling because I've met a top sales person who join the company for 1 day, close a total of 8 sales with 8 new distributors in that first day but disappeared in a month. (This person is only 1 of top sales people I met in the industry). MLM is not about recruiting 10, 100, 1000 .... downlines into your organisation in order to be successful.
MLM is about sharing products that the distributor have used and at the sametime showing the business plan to the prospect. To win in this business, the distributor must be able to duplicate all he had learnt from his team to his downlines. Selling (sharing & making the sales) & recruiting is relatively easy if the products are of value to the people. However, the most time consuming and most important task is to Duplicate. From my uplines and senior experience, it will normally take a person 3 to 5 years to duplicate. In short, it takes as much effort for a person to be successful in MLM as in other businesses. This is the reason why there is high dropout in any MLM company, a true blue MLM company can never have overnight success story.
Back to selecting a MLM company, my suggestion is to first ask yourself why do you want to do the business at all? The reason being that if you think it is easy (because of low investment) then you will disappoint yourself for the time and money invested. Most of all your reputation will tarnish among those friends that you have sponsored and spoken to.
If you think you have a good and compelling reason for you to succeed in this industry, I have a few suggestion in the selection of a company:
1) Company: at least 7 years of MLM experience, no. of countries that it had penetrated, track record in handling disputes in these countries, preferred public listed to verify their earning and payout, and their vision.
2) Product: There are 1/3 of the successful MLMers whom started the business because they love their product so much that they can share it with great passion. Preferred product that are highly consumables for repeat sales, affortable (very subjective, a product can be expensive but valuable to certain group of consumer), user friendly to people of all ages, result from usage can be quantify so comsumer can easily refer others to you, R&D must be strong with top scientist and not some university fresh grads, multiple Patents and multiple product types and range to cater to all daily needs.
3) COM Plan: There are front heavy plan such as binary or back heavy plan such as stair-step breakaway. 2 other plans are unilevel and matrix, many companies may say that they have a revolutionalise plan but mostly they are just a variant or hybrid of the 4 basic plans. If you are looking for suplementary income, binary plan is suitable because you can earn little profit right from the start. However, if you dream of becoming millionaires in MLM, go for stair-step breakaway. 76% of the world top MLM company uses stair-step breakaway plan.
4) Team: Do the team you join has the right training system to guide you? how many successful leaders are there in the team as compared to other teams? what are the training material available and are they reasonably price? What is the vision of the team?
5) Leader: who did you join? can he help you or when he is not around who can support you? is he only interested to train you to be his sales rep or he want to invest time on you to make you a leader?
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1 more point to add on the product consideration: what is the product return policy and procedure?
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Thanks. The main stuff that interest me is retirement income. What scares me in Singapore is the high cost of living and am getting too old to be working round the clock to survive in costly Singapore. Although I'm a lady in my 30's but have to plan ahead.Originally posted by angang:After looking at various MLM, what is the main stuff that interest you? I think you might have look at many companies, so, doesn't anyone interest you?
Sad reality is I have not really seen many MLM talks yet, not enough to decide if its a good business to be in. So far have seen Usana but the binary thingy and compulsory maintenance is quite unfair, IMO
IMO, the other local ones doesnt have much potential for true overseas markets. Have not gone to see Amway yet. Any Amway distributors here, please message me on when are the preview or talks held.
If anyone in the forum like to introduce your MLM (that you truly sincerely feel is good) pls message me. (other than USana which I have seen) -
Thanks. The main stuff that interest me is retirement income. What scares me in Singapore is the high cost of living and am getting too old to be working round the clock to survive in costly Singapore. Although I'm a lady in my 30's but have to plan ahead.
Sad reality is I have not really seen many MLM talks yet, not enough to decide if its a good business to be in. So far have seen Usana but the binary thingy and compulsory maintenance is quite unfair, IMO
IMO, the other local ones doesnt have much potential for true overseas markets. Have not gone to see Amway yet. Any Amway distributors here, please message me on when are the preview or talks held.
If anyone in the forum like to introduce your MLM (that you truly sincerely feel is good) pls message me. (other than USana which I have seen)
Hi, good to plan ahead for retirement. Most MLM companies have maintenance to qualify for commission. However, I look upon it as a monthly sales quota to fulfil. Even if i run a hawker stall, I'll still need to have a min sales everyday to continue operating my business so it is necessary for maintaining sales. Those companies that promise no maintenance also means that there is no payout for those months. No company will pay for no sales. Thanks -
I believe you have missed look on USANA. In USA, their compensation is award as TOP 7 years in a row. Also, they have been listed as the TOP & HOTTEST company as well. I'm not with them, don't misunderstand me.Originally posted by 2005wss:Thanks. The main stuff that interest me is retirement income. What scares me in Singapore is the high cost of living and am getting too old to be working round the clock to survive in costly Singapore. Although I'm a lady in my 30's but have to plan ahead.
Sad reality is I have not really seen many MLM talks yet, not enough to decide if its a good business to be in. So far have seen Usana but the binary thingy and compulsory maintenance is quite unfair, IMO
IMO, the other local ones doesnt have much potential for true overseas markets. Have not gone to see Amway yet. Any Amway distributors here, please message me on when are the preview or talks held.
If anyone in the forum like to introduce your MLM (that you truly sincerely feel is good) pls message me. (other than USana which I have seen) -
Hi, I think people must consider a MLM business with same amount of caution as any conventional business or franchises. COM plan is only 1 factor to look at; but if we emphasis too much on it, we may be lead by our greed like many people who see MLM as a get rich quick scheme. A company may have top COM plan but I would question the company on how many has been paid the top dollars and how many more only made a little. Check on the average earning when possible rather than looking at the fantastic payout that the company claimed.Originally posted by angang:I believe you have missed look on USANA. In USA, their compensation is award as TOP 7 years in a row. Also, they have been listed as the TOP & HOTTEST company as well. I'm not with them, don't misunderstand me. -
I've met a chinese national whom had migrated to Australia & is now promoting Usana in Spore. Not sure if it is the same person. A friend of mine joined him & introduce him to me. He knows I'm already working a MLM business but he is earnest enough to share with me his business. That friend of mine had since cancelled the Usana account because she don't have the time to do it.Originally posted by 2005wss:I recently attended a presentation by Usana and looks quite impressive product line. But my introducer is from Australia who calls me now and then. He is very impressive talker and gives me a lot of confidence. Can somebody share with me if you have any bad experience having upline support from Australia -
Study USANA more and talk to those people on the TOP, meaning those been listed a TOP procuder. From ther, you will know how much each new distributor can earn, and when they truely follow the system, their income is wonderful. I mention this because as for their products, it had proven. They have their own group of scentices...Originally posted by MlmMyBiz:Hi, I think people must consider a MLM business with same amount of caution as any conventional business or franchises. COM plan is only 1 factor to look at; but if we emphasis too much on it, we may be lead by our greed like many people who see MLM as a get rich quick scheme. A company may have top COM plan but I would question the company on how many has been paid the top dollars and how many more only made a little. Check on the average earning when possible rather than looking at the fantastic payout that the company claimed.
Lastly, I need to stress that I"m not with them. But just that this company worth getting into. -
Exactly sir, thats what I'm concerned about the compulsory auto-ship of many American health product MLM companies, monthly purchase of $200. We are supposed to do MLM at our own pace, what if during the months we slow down marketing activity and still have to keep buying and our fridge will be overflowing with vitamins.Originally posted by MlmMyBiz:I've met a chinese national whom had migrated to Australia & is now promoting Usana in Spore. Not sure if it is the same person. A friend of mine joined him & introduce him to me. He knows I'm already working a MLM business but he is earnest enough to share with me his business. That friend of mine had since cancelled the Usana account because she don't have the time to do it.
I saw another company this week called FORLIFE and they also have this compulsory auto-ship thing.
Those compulsory auto-ship is good for serious full-timers but not good for casual part-timers, or sometimes initially wanted to do full time but due to unforseen problems need to postpone activity, you know what I mean, but the autoship cant postpone, its GIRO payment, like it or not
So I'm still open to good suggestions and any advice or recommendations are welcomed.
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Look at it this way, MLM is a sharing business, which means we've to use the products before we can share it with our prospects. $200 per month is for personal consumption or maybe for the entire family. After using it and achieving some result, you can share your testimony passionately with your prospects.Originally posted by 2005wss:Exactly sir, thats what I'm concerned about the compulsory auto-ship of many American health product MLM companies, monthly purchase of $200. We are supposed to do MLM at our own pace, what if during the months we slow down marketing activity and still have to keep buying and our fridge will be overflowing with vitamins.
I saw another company this week called FORLIFE and they also have this compulsory auto-ship thing.
Those compulsory auto-ship is good for serious full-timers but not good for casual part-timers, or sometimes initially wanted to do full time but due to unforseen problems need to postpone activity, you know what I mean, but the autoship cant postpone, its GIRO payment, like it or not
So I'm still open to good suggestions and any advice or recommendations are welcomed.
Thanks to all your feedback,,,keep them coming folks....
Another important point for having a min maintenance is to help serious MLM business builder to see who are the more commited downlines & how much time he should allocate in helping that downlines. Bear in mind that most people only want to 'TRY' the business, you just can't go around helping all your downlines, especially when you are doing it part-time. In short, the min maintenance is a test of commitment. -
In my opinion, a gd MLM company needs not have any maintenance monthly etc as what is mentioned above that the business should be done at own pace. This is true is the company i am doing now. For me personally, some months I may get more products, others less, however, I am still building and doing the business with no worries bout maintenance etc.
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Technically, we are the boss of our MLM business so we answer only to ourselves. We decide how much we want to earn & we put in the hours. Nobody will continue the business for long if they don't make money. The biggest reason for the high dropout is because they never discipline themselves enough to do the sales every month. Some choose to buy up the stock to fulfil the min requirement and thus kill themselves in a few short months. Both are not desirable.Originally posted by simpleboi:In my opinion, a gd MLM company needs not have any maintenance monthly etc as what is mentioned above that the business should be done at own pace. This is true is the company i am doing now. For me personally, some months I may get more products, others less, however, I am still building and doing the business with no worries bout maintenance etc.
Like I said in my earlier posting, MLM should be treated like any other business. If you start a hawker store today, do you have the option of not making min sales to pay for rental/raw material/time and also bring income to your family? If you choose only to do some sales whenever you feel like, how do you achieve financial stability or income after retirement (or whatever goals you set)?
The maintenance should not be viewed as 'worries' but rather as the 'commitment' to the business.
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I feel that monthly maintenance is a must tho
Firstly, its the target quota. Psychologically, it gives a tangible number a MLMer can work towards. True we work at our own pace, but there need to be some sort of goal we can work too. Really, human arent perfect, only few people can achieve much without the need to set goals, but not the rest, The company is also looking after 'the rest'
Secondly, dangers of lull period. Quota reduce chances that the distributors may be underperforming, making the company in the red for that month or so.
Actually, most of the time, existence of monthly maintenance is never the issue. Its how much the quota is.
Many are dissed because of ever increasing quota as they climb up the ladder, the need to renew tha high quota just to stay in that position, else demotion... -
yup, i agree with your point
However, i also feel that for a person, if he is serious in doing the business, with or without monthly maintenance, he will do it
If he is not that serious, there is a chance that one day he finds it hard to keep up the monthly maintenance and then drop out.
Also different pple have different needs of the products in the company, thus the maintenance is different. Most companies just ask from each distributor about $100 per month, which i believe it is fair, but to some people may be too much.
I agree that one may lax without monthly maintenance...but if he wants to lax..with or without it will be the same. Thus i prefer to have it at my own pace as i know that i am serious, and those who are serious will do the same -
No mantain? So, if you don't buy producst for months, do you still get pay?Originally posted by simpleboi:In my opinion, a gd MLM company needs not have any maintenance monthly etc as what is mentioned above that the business should be done at own pace. This is true is the company i am doing now. For me personally, some months I may get more products, others less, however, I am still building and doing the business with no worries bout maintenance etc.