I am from NTI, good day to all.
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Bro, once again, I am not brushing off anyone. All I am saying is that if there is a claim, it should be made through the proper channels.Originally posted by laurence82:No no, they would brush off, at least those guys in this forums, as clones or false claims.
No use one.
What I cannot condone is people who lack the maturity to do so. Some people will not just complain about NTI, but about any MLM or NM company they come accross when they do not make money at it. Some people are actually those who think that NTI is a place that you can make a quick buck, but when the opposite is true they will complain about the amount of effort they need to put in. Then they push the responsibility from themselves by blaming everything under the sun except themselves. With such an attitude these people will find that they will find it hard to achieve anything noteworthy even if they join another company.
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Good day, DCX, apologies for the late reply. As a person who steps in and out of NTI on almost a daily basis, I am just listing my observations. The image of the company is something that all agents and managers are responsible for. Definitely we want to cultivate a professional image, just as we want to build a successful and productive network. No company in the world will intentionally set out to destroy it's own brand name and image. However, it is a function of this industry that there definitely will be a certain percentage of attrition, meaning that there will always be people who come and go. Some of these people will be content to remain as customers, whereas other people will react extremely negatively. In every business, not just in MLM or NM industry, there will always be a percentage of success and failure.Originally posted by dcx:I am still wondering...despite of what you've describe abt NTI's managment & operations, y are there still so much complaints abt NTI?
If NTI has such reputable image, i wouldn't be expecting so much complaints...but it doesn't seems so to me....
Btw...i tot the 1st flr was already operating since early 2003 (Jan~March?) How come July?
It is precisely because of the open concept of NM that sometimes invites con artists or people who out to make a quick buck. NM does not discriminate against age, sex, religion or educational qualifications. Anyone with a few hundred or thousand dollars can take part. That is why in the past there have been pyramid schemes or illegal lotteries, which of course generated large amounts of negative publicity, the fallout of which can still be felt today.
The 95% to 5% percent example holds true in every business and every industry and every new startup in singapore, not just MLM or NTI. Of course, we in NTI want to strive to have a more global vision of our business, to make NTI part of the global 5%, where every agent can put in honest effort, persevere and achieve a good result, be it personal growth or financial gain. I will also continue to strive to make NTI a better place for everyone to be in.
I hope that answers your question satisfactorily. I look forward to any more of your questions.
Trust me, July 2003.
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Know him for 10years??? i.e. to say, you've already know him even before you & him joined NTI?Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Mr Lian Jie, if thats your real name at all, I sincerely resent this comment. Coming from a person who claims to be from NTI and yet you do not even know our RSD Mr Garry Tan as well. You do not even know the sacrifices this man has made for his downlines. I assure you, this man has done more for me and his downlines than you ever will. When I started out as a normal agent in NTI, Mr Garry took me under his wing and not only supported me by teaching me a lot of things, he even made the effort to make presentations on my behalf, even when my appointments were sometimes late at night. When we finished late, he would even send me home. Have anyone ever done that for you? He has made 3 am presentations for his downlines who wanted to introduce their friends working on night shifts. Even when a downline requested that he speak to a relative living in JB, he went. Have you ever done that for anyone?
This is the practice we pass down to our downlines in Mr Garry's Organisation. Unconditional support for all our new downlines. From what I can see you do not even know Mr Garry in person. You do not even know his life's story. And you do not even know what he went through in his personal life and the challenges he surmounted in order to have the results he has today.
I am not blowing his trumpet. I have known him for nearly ten years. I have seen him in his ups and downs. I KNOW him and would trust him a thousand times more than any of the faceless individuals in here who do not even have the courage to back up their statements and only hide behind a veil of annonimity to criticise.
regards
If i'm not wrong, NTI was formed in Mid 2003...so, can i say that he has been with NTI for approx. 2years and you've been under his charge for abt 1yr++??
3am presentation? No big deal actualli...
As far as i've understand from your above post, you mentioned he helped his downlines (DLs) to do presentations...no big deal too...or is it your 1st time seeing him as an upline helping his DLs to do presentation?
In simple, if he doesn't help his DLs to do presentations, then his DLs will be de-moralised (becoz they dun earn $$$) and they'll stopped "working"... No upline would wan that to happen becoz they'll lose/dun earn their "income" if their DLs're unable to bring "SALES" in... -
only know how to sit there,shake leg and talk big
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Well...no offences, but is it possible for you to speak simple? My questions are rather simple & i would hope to have a direct & simple answer...Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Good day, DCX, apologies for the late reply. As a person who steps in and out of NTI on almost a daily basis, I am just listing my observations. The image of the company is something that all agents and managers are responsible for. Definitely we want to cultivate a professional image, just as we want to build a successful and productive network. No company in the world will intentionally set out to destroy it's own brand name and image. However, it is a function of this industry that there definitely will be a certain percentage of attrition, meaning that there will always be people who come and go. Some of these people will be content to remain as customers, whereas other people will react extremely negatively. In every business, not just in MLM or NM industry, there will always be a percentage of success and failure.
It is precisely because of the open concept of NM that sometimes invites con artists or people who out to make a quick buck. NM does not discriminate against age, sex, religion or educational qualifications. Anyone with a few hundred or thousand dollars can take part. That is why in the past there have been pyramid schemes or illegal lotteries, which of course generated large amounts of negative publicity, the fallout of which can still be felt today.
The 95% to 5% percent example holds true in every business and every industry and every new startup in singapore, not just MLM or NTI. Of course, we in NTI want to strive to have a more global vision of our business, to make NTI part of the global 5%, where every agent can put in honest effort, persevere and achieve a good result, be it personal growth or financial gain. I will also continue to strive to make NTI a better place for everyone to be in.
I hope that answers your question satisfactorily. I look forward to any more of your questions.
Trust me, July 2003.
Regards
haha...trust me...the office was there before July 2003. I was there way before July 2003.
But you'll to mean NTI started operation in July 2003, i already knew that... -
Good day to everyone in this forum!
Been really busy lately as NTI has been preparing for the annual Genting Trip incentive! I am pleased to share that more than 100 of our hardworking distributors, agents, managers and even investors in our network will be heading to Genting on a 3 day, 2 night all expenses paid trip to Genting Highlands from the 23rd to 25th of this month. At the same time we will also be celebrating our 2nd year anniversary with a grand dinner there!
So if this weekend anyone wants to come to NTI please be informed that we will be taking a break for this weekend, contrary to the popular belief that we have scammed a lot of money and run off, lol.
So if anyone of you in this forum are also making a trip up to Genting around the same time, please note that if you see any of our guys in coats in the casino we are not casino manager ok? Please don't ask us where the toilets are!
I will try to take some pictures and share them when I get back, so see you at the top! -
walau, you mean if i just answered you one line. "NTI started operations in July 2003" you would have been satisfied already ar, lol. Say so earlier lar,Originally posted by dcx:Well...no offences, but is it possible for you to speak simple? My questions are rather simple & i would hope to have a direct & simple answer...
haha...trust me...the office was there before July 2003. I was there way before July 2003.
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If you only know how to say things like this, than I am also sitting right there next to him and shaking my balls also. So what are you going to do about it?Originally posted by notforme:only know how to sit there,shake leg and talk big -
I've known him long before he ever stepped into this industry and I've seen the changes in him as a friend for almost 10 years. It is precisely because I saw the changes in him that's why I joined him in NTI.Originally posted by dcx:Know him for 10years??? i.e. to say, you've already know him even before you & him joined NTI?
If i'm not wrong, NTI was formed in Mid 2003...so, can i say that he has been with NTI for approx. 2years and you've been under his charge for abt 1yr++??
3am presentation? No big deal actualli...
As far as i've understand from your above post, you mentioned he helped his downlines (DLs) to do presentations...no big deal too...or is it your 1st time seeing him as an upline helping his DLs to do presentation?
In simple, if he doesn't help his DLs to do presentations, then his DLs will be de-moralised (becoz they dun earn $$$) and they'll stopped "working"... No upline would wan that to happen becoz they'll lose/dun earn their "income" if their DLs're unable to bring "SALES" in...
You are right. Of course we all stand to gain when our downlines bring in sales and its right that we should make presentations for them. When my downlines earn money I am happy for them, not just because I have a vested interest for them, but also because I see them achieving results for their hard work. What's wrong about that?
What he has done may be no big deal to you, but have you ever done the same or more for anyone you know? The fact is that he cares for his downlines enough to do such things whereas other people may just brush you off or ask you to make your appointments at another time. This is also a form of servicing. -
Not that one.....hahaha....Originally posted by IamfromNTI:walau, you mean if i just answered you one line. "NTI started operations in July 2003" you would have been satisfied already ar, lol. Say so earlier lar,
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Have i said that it's wrong? Since when did you have the idea that i've a negative view of it?Originally posted by IamfromNTI:I've known him long before he ever stepped into this industry and I've seen the changes in him as a friend for almost 10 years. It is precisely because I saw the changes in him that's why I joined him in NTI.
You are right. Of course we all stand to gain when our downlines bring in sales and its right that we should make presentations for them. When my downlines earn money I am happy for them, not just because I have a vested interest for them, but also because I see them achieving results for their hard work. What's wrong about that?
What he has done may be no big deal to you, but have you ever done the same or more for anyone you know? The fact is that he cares for his downlines enough to do such things whereas other people may just brush you off or ask you to make your appointments at another time. This is also a form of servicing.
How about, let's say,
You, as an upline, a DL(Not under you) has requested you to help him do a presentation at 3am. Would you oblige? (Yes, you'll???) Remember that you won't receive a single cent if you'll to clinched a deal for him....ok..you'll say it's ok becoz all under the same family...as long as his hardworks is paid of, you'll feel happy for him.
So, why a grouping is needed in the 1st place? Everyone can just help everyone...isn't it better???
Y i say that it's no big deal becoz i've definetely done more than wat he has done..of coz, not to JB though becoz at that time i don't own a car....
Ok..i'll be abit stern for this part...
I'll say that if he doesn't have any credit in terms of monetary terms going to him for every deal he helped his DLs to clinch, he won't be that "caring & hardworking"...It's not basically purely becoz he really care for his DLs...it'll be a significant difference of what you've protraited him... -
please lar... spare me the nobility talk..
the reason human do something, 99% of the time is because they will benefit from their action whether directly or indirectly.
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WAH HA HA HA!!! They can actually do t up for their leaders here!! Or perhaps the leaders themselves are doing for more publicity? Pls lar oi...
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You can fool some people all the time, you can fool all people some of the timeOriginally posted by IamfromNTI:Good Day, Laurence, thanks for your response.
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I dont agree with what you claim yourself to be..
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Well then, every person participating in an online forum has the luxury of creating an alternate persona doesnÂ’t he? I am who I say I am, and if you donÂ’t believe me, thatÂ’s ok. After all, IÂ’m sure not everyone in this forum believes you are who you portray yourself to be as well, right?
So together with everything you see nowadays on the internet, just take it with a pinch of salt!
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Read your paragraph five. When you started, you gave the impression you wanted to give objective answers. When i reached para 5, you were already insinuating nti reputation suffers thru backstabbing and flaming, and that you taught your downlines not to flame other companies.
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I was merely stating that through the postings in this forum, I have seen many posts that claim to be from NTI managers, ex agents, even general members of the public that claim to have been scammed in one way or the other by representatives of NTI. How many of these posts are actually substantiated that is what I would like to know. Like what you said above, Laurence. 20,000 posts in sgforums notwithstanding, what if I were to say that I donÂ’t agree with what you claim yourself to be as well? Can this statement also be applied to say, a person that comes in and claims to have been scammed by my company?
My company stands on its merits, marketing plan, products and technology. Those are our selling points. In 2 years, I have never once had to criticize other networking companiesÂ’ plans products or agents in order to close my sales. I am disturbed by the fact that many postings in here are more of the flaming variety, many of which are not proven or substantiated.
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I am sorry to break your bubbles, but in fact, none of the nti agents that came up to post left us with a good impression, eg, Ms Heat.
To worsen it, your first post was like many other agents, which like to harp on stuff like backstabbing, flaming and stuff like these. The only exception is, I can read your post.
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IsnÂ’t it a fact that many people have flamed my agents, company, practices etc? To the extent where I have seen some postings that actually talk about having sex with animals or personal attacks. What is the point of that? I mean, letÂ’s just put things in perspective. There is no need to call names.
Well then, I will have to work extra hard in order to restore the reputation of my company, wonÂ’t I?
But you cant fool all people at all time
Unless you change the operations, the fundamentals of your business, and the behaviour of even your top managers, you cant just rely on managing publicity at all.
By the way, check the original thread, the one wrongly named MIT. The forumers were having largely friendly debate till some of your agents came in, and that was as early as last year January, creating all animal nicks and flaming forumers, without even defending nti.
Look at your Ms Heat, who barged in. When the argument begins, all she can do, without even saying anything, is to claim all are false claims and that whatever she said, we said its false.
Hello?? There is not even points to build on in the first place
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i am afraid thats not the case I have been seeing. DSAS and CASe are powerless, and dont use CAD on me. Many commodities trading scams of past have escaped CAD, plus the thorough documentation needed.Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Good day, Laurence.
How can anyone prevent anyone else from speaking up? What I am asking for is not a gag order, just verification of the claims that were made, because there IS a standard of operation in place for the refund of any money gained if NTI agents misrepresented the company. I mean, if really NTI or representatives of NTI cheated anyone, there are proper channels to go to to seek redress, like I said, the law in Singapore heavily favours the consumers as long as they can prove they were unfairly treated.
I did not go through most of the original threads because I did not like to see discussions degenerate into flame wars. Who started it? Pointing fingers will not help. neither will incohorent, impotent ranting in a public forum.
It will not help me make my company a better place, neither will it help those people who feel they have been unfairly treated.
It also helps if people can see both sides of the story and be willing to accept a different POV. How can I have a discussion with anyone if I am only prepared to accept a single point of view, mine?
And what's up with all the name calling? Is that necessary?
regards
You dont realise why NKF dares to put forward three libel suits against three persons and won, do you? Even though its only proven in the last week that those guys are right after all. Its called bullying, and those three guys have never the chance to investigate NKF thoroughly altho they know abt it. Lack of resources is one thing.
Perhaps you dont use legal threats to put gag order on anyone, but how you know your guys in other networks dont? Again, let me reiterate, you can again brush it off as another false claims, but doesnt affect me, you guys already had these guys money, so i guess, there is no responsiblity towards customers or ex agents, doesnt it?
I guess you are already at the top or is there during the early formation of nti. I guess, like other pyramids schemes, the top or the pioneers are the only one who earns. Lucky you. -
Again, I did say before, disguised pyramids do have products, but as cover up. You dont read what the rest said do you? The focus on selling was not there, and when i was there last time, products selling was not even on the presentation. The recruitment fee of 288 bucks was tied up closely with a set of products, unlike other MLM companies, where registration fee is fixed, and the quantity of products are not fixed, and varies. In the original thread, there were even questions on the products. One guy could get it from Taiwan at half the price. Its strange, because not only the reg fee tied up with the products, you had guys telling peeps how much they earn from the 288, which is based on recruitment. Resales? 50 bucks only each mth. If you do go explore the usual MLM companies, this amt is puny. The only enhancement is get rick quick thru your binary system. The combination of all these factors, make a stange business.Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Can you elaborate on how you mean only a few people survive?
And please, NTI has never conducted recruitment excercises for people to submit any four figure sums.
Any money that a person chooses to invest is used to purchase products, not to go into my pockets.
You see, these are some of those senseless and unproven allegations that I was talking about. My company has refunded people money, what tightfisted refund policy are you talking about?
Case in point. My company has ever refunded people money AND taken back products from distributors who appealed for refund due to compassionate grounds that he needed the money he used to start the business for a family emergency. That is on record.
If anything, my company has a way too lenient refund policy. For example's sake, if today you were to buy a handphone from M1 or a laptop from Apple, can you go back to M1 or Apple the next day and ask for a refund based on the fact that 'your mum needs an operation and you need the cash'?
They would just ask you one question:
"Is the product sold to you defective in any way?"
and then show you the door.
Abt the refunds, you had ur cases, I had mine. i got PMs and emails telling me otherwise, I had to open a thread to ask for help. Unfortunately, you also have a bunch of people who dont get their money back. Doesnt help for you to cover your eyes.
No four figure sum? The articles in the ST forum clearly point to this. They were asked to open nth times of 288 bucks account, and they stated they had paid over 1000 bucks worth of accounts.
If your company focused on products selling, I believe one account, just like other MLM companies will suffice. But instead, you had guys telling these people open four five accounts will enable them to earn money faster, and I explained it in detail in the ORIGINAL thread, go read. -
No, its you who dont understand corporate governance in the real world right now. Unlike the usual companies who have sales department, and the basic stuff they have to emphasise product or service quality to their customers, MLM companies have to open themselves more to scrutiny.Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Brother, do you have any business experience at all? Do you know that my company is Pte. Ltd. Do you even know what is Pte., Ltd.? I do not have to disclose anything to you simply because bro, I did not issue shares to you, you know? I am a PRIVATE LIMITED company therefore I did not issue shares to you, I did not raise funds from members of the public by releasing an IPO, therefore I do not have stockholders or hold annual general meeting to give an accounting of my financial statements, you know?
For goodness sake, don't you find that you are very presumptuous? Can you walk into any Pte. Ltd. company in Singapore and just demand to see their audited financial statements? Seriously, I'd like to see you try that.
And now I see that what is more dangerous than pure ignorance is a little knowledge mixed with the misconception that one knows everything.
regards
Is it possible to earn that amt of money? Are you sure your success rate is this high? Are the products good, because i have to also sell to people I know? You are also more liable because now you are attracting people in, to earn a income.
Its foolish to think you can claim all these, without showing even a shred of evidence. Its even worse, when the evidence you shown, apparently arent convincing enough.
The issue of corporate governance is so huge nowadays, they even have to open up seminars on business ethics on managers. The Government have their auditors general, who will audit and investigate for wastages. The opening session of Parliament this week deals not only on issue of NKF transparency, but also on wastages in the various government arms.
Most companies have external auditors who come in to check the company, and if you are ignorant, they dont check on accounts solely. Efficiency of business operations are some of their concerns. Then, certified audited report are sent to AGMs and other stakeholders.
Pls dont think corporate transparency is not an issue. NKF have the public as their stakeholders ,and they neglected the public thinking the public dont have the right to their internal operations and decision making. See the riot they caused? See the arrogance displayed in suing three poor guys because they can prevent three guys from doing an investigations on the coy? And these guys were right after all.
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Nope. I already mentioned it in my first post here ,and i even quote and refer to the para which you did insinuate that people are making false claims here.Originally posted by IamfromNTI:I never claim that anyone is false. I just said, if there is a claim, pls verify it instead of shouting in here, "help, help, I've been scammed!"
And seriously, young people are not as stupid as you make them out to be, ok? I have downlines from all five polytechnics as well as even NUS and NTU. As an additional clause you have to be 18 anyway before you are allowed to sign up as a NTI distributor.
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I just sidetrack for a moment ar, cos I can't resist. Who on earth uses the word "Younglings"?! Who talks like that? Oh my GAWD, "Younglings"!, hahaha! I can't believe you used that word. I've only heard that word once in my life in a badly scripted movie! "Younglings"!, Wahahaha I can't tahan! ROFL! "Yes, Master Kenobi, I will teach the younglings the ways of the force, please excuse my Jedi Mind Tricks!!" Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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Please lar, bro. There are no conspiracy theories lar. What happened to NOP in the past, seriously, I also dunno all the details. But hasn't that issue been settled a long time ago? Since Mr. James Phang is still alright, no one has litigated or brought suit against him, the people who bought the memberships for the club that was not built were refunded also, right?
And besides, which entrepreneur or businessman in the world have never suffered setbacks or business failures or failed ventures? Are you saying that If I or you or James Phang ever failed even once in our lives, we should go hide in a cave and never try again?
And please lar, I don't have 'lackeys', or 'dogs', or whatever terms you guys have for people in NTI. Such name calling only shows a lack of maturity. All my guys are people who know how to think, not the mindless "Sales Zombies" or brainwashed masses you make them out to be, ok?
And i dont wish to repeat. The article stating NOP Investment has defaulted fulfilment to build a resort and escaped resort members was last year, at the same time he run nti.
People argued that his past was his past, but the article has proven otherwise.
Also, lackeys are lackeys. And I am not cutting you some slack by budging off from this statement. And yes, they are brainwashed. Those forums articles specifically refer to the brainwashing seminars on teenagers as an awful experience. -
I shld be asking u that.Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Bro, once again, I am not brushing off anyone. All I am saying is that if there is a claim, it should be made through the proper channels.
What I cannot condone is people who lack the maturity to do so. Some people will not just complain about NTI, but about any MLM or NM company they come accross when they do not make money at it. Some people are actually those who think that NTI is a place that you can make a quick buck, but when the opposite is true they will complain about the amount of effort they need to put in. Then they push the responsibility from themselves by blaming everything under the sun except themselves. With such an attitude these people will find that they will find it hard to achieve anything noteworthy even if they join another company.
What have you done for your downlines today?
Again, brushing off ex agents as failures. Where were you, and why there are so many of them? Uplines inexperienced to help downlines succeed?
Binary system dont help achieve quick bucks huh? Then why use it. or even ask people to open four five accounts?
There is a difference between not workinghard or smart enuff, and being conned.
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To top it off, I cant find any good defences in Iluvnti post. They dont prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, to borrow the legal speak, that the claims by ex agents or victims here are false or sensational or anything.
Also be reminded, for the umpteenth time, its nice you are defending your company. But seriously, the brushing off of these victims and ex agents irk me. I dont know what makes you do that, for whatever reasons.
And, lastly, I cant rem which topic he posted it, if any nice chap is willing to let me know, I'll appreciate it.
Iluvnti mentioned in one of the post, that how can we questioned whether nti will fall. Now, I did heard of it in a past story that one of the agent ask one prospect, in response to his question, whether he believe microsoft will fall or not. Now I dont what to dwell on the absurdity of this response, but I like to touch on the point of iluvnti mentioning cases such as Worlcom and Enron, as to support his case that all companies can fall anytime.
Plssss, Worldcom and Enron go bust because they are riddled with mismanagment, cover ups and lack of corporate transparency. Are you nuts to compare nti with them? Or, is this a prelude to a future problem that is going to exist in nti, and that you want to cover bases in case you get angry agents on that particular day demanding answers, and you can 'rightfully' tell them "see, i told u so!'? -
Com'on all NTI supportors, these guys has already a mindset that NTI is a scam. No matter how hard you try to prove, explain or clarify, they will not definately bit them.
Even you are the one experiencing it yourself, still they gonna say that you FAKE it. (as if they are YOU)
Just look at those new thread that are created, how negative it is...afterall, it's posted by those few..... just those fews.....
Every single person can create a new nick and start another negative thread about NTI again......
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so far even the RSD cant even reply to laurence82 points as stated so far.
typical NTI agents.. if cant win, resort to throw smoke bomb to divert attention!
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Yeah I will reply him so he can defend you on your behalf, since you have no substance of your own.Originally posted by I love BMW:
so far even the RSD cant even reply to laurence82 points as stated so far.
typical NTI agents.. if cant win, resort to throw smoke bomb to divert attention!
please reply to laurence82 !!
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i'm really interested to know who are u ?
i once from NTI too.
so u under mr alan, mr jackie or mr garry?
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In short ... only trust ppl who are registered last year or olderOriginally posted by Lian Jie:i know alot of NTI seniors are in this forums creating multiple clones to act as different people to cover up everything.