I am from NTI, good day to all.
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Yes, I know Benny. What does that have to do with anything? I donÂ’t need to come up with any flawless answers, just those that are relevant to the topic I started and relevent to my own experience in NTI. *chucklesOriginally posted by new to working world:Hi to iamfromNTI,
You should go and discuss with a certain Mr benny from NTI, so that you can come up with a flawless reply to all the enquiries. There are not one but a lot of ppl who are very
angry with the way nti works. So you should find a person to help you out in replying. So we won't find guilty bombarding you with our questions
And I definitely donÂ’t need anyone to help me out in replying anything. Feel free to bombard away with your questions, maybe we can both learn something in the process.
So many people have claimed to have negative experiences in NTI, but I have been here for almost 2 years, and my experience has been very positive. Why is that? -
Good day to you, Neutend, thanks for response. Sorry for the late reply, many things to settle today at NTI!
I would like to clarify, my intention is not to get into an argument with anyone in this forum, rather, I am seeking a reconciliation in mindsets. I Definitely do not need to ‘close’ anyone online as well. I would just like to ask, who are all the people who claim to be disgusted with NTI and where are they? And what caused these feelings to be so prevalent in this forum?
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If you can hold thus long, hold it long, we won't hold againist you. If you have the ability to clear the air, i suppose you can closed us online already. Furthermore, too many people get disgusted in NTI already, so how do you guys clear you air inside? You have conquered the outer space, but not inner space, remember this.
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Define for me, if you will. What do you mean by ‘psycho’? Have you personally attended the PSC course conducted by my company? How did you feel Psycho’ed? Can you compare it to attending Anthony Robbins Seminars or Neuro Linguistic Programming? Isn’t it true that every organization be it a school or a church or even corporate organizations have their own culture and training courses? So if I attend a training course conducted by a company and leave it feeling more positive than before I went in have I been Psycho’ed?
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That was a long time okay though, but how you get your positive feelings? Must be heavily physco in the PSC.
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Again, a need to clarify. Have any of the agents from NTI ever falsely given to you the impression that we took up the entire building? We started in July 2003 in the corner office on the 1st floor and renovations on our 22nd floor office was completed in Nov the same year. Yes, we have premises on the 1st and 22nd floor, who told you we have the whole building?
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Yup, there are ups and downs in the company, because your company is not taking the whole 1st shenton way, it is merely 1st and 22nd floor. Why can you last for so long? All because you are close to the tops, where they have high ablities of brainwashing you, try not to hang around with them for serveral months, you will get a totally different feelings.
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How do you define ‘close to the top’? Do you mean to say that if I have a close working relationship with the leaders of my company I am ‘close to the top’? So are you saying there is a group of elitist people at ‘the top’ of the organizational structure to begin with and no one else can join them? Funny, because I started at the bottom and worked my way up from a normal agent to a high level manager today.
How do you define ‘brainwashing’? How do you feel I have been ‘brainwashed’? Can you elaborate on that?
If I start or join a business today, then abandon my business partners halfway and ‘not hang around with them for several months’, definitely they will feel differently about me as well, lol.
So how much is a macdonalds floor manager paid? Because I have downlines who quit the exact jobs you talk about to concentrate on building NTIÂ’s business network full time. So how do you know how much my companyÂ’s Regional Sales Directors are earning? Very strange, since I have a record of every cent I ever earned in NTI.
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Sorry, manager in nti is nothing. MacDonald floor manager's pay is even higher than you, or rather, i open one company myself and give myself a president + CEO, would it be nice? Status really so important? Secondly, yup, you shouldn't be proud of your earning because even RSDs also not earning much, how can you be earning much, this is common sense! Last but not least, your so called benefits is what? Merely scamming and cheating skills, where can you applied in the society? Only NTI.
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Again, I have to ask you to clarify, what scamming or cheating skills do you think I have, or have been used on you? So how much have you been ‘scammed’ or ‘cheated’ by people in my company? Can you clarify, instead of making sweeping statements, since you don’t even know me in person? -
Of course I am weak, imperfect, and prone to making mistakes. The last I checked, I am a human being, just like everyone else. Have you never made a mistake or had a positive response to making one in your life? People learn from making mistakes, and not from giving up after the first try.
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You are a weak person from what you have written. You know you will have your falls and never get it back, but only you choose not to believe it. There is no as a result, no result at all in NTI, just look at your downlines, how many of them have come and go and why? They have found their world is not just NTI, rather never were NTI. Preserverance is the jinx to failure? It depends, if you clutch onto something which has no result, release it, better for and me.
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My strength comes from making more mistakes than anyone else, learning from them, moving on and not repeating them. My mistakes made me stronger, tougher, able to handle objections and rejections. I am where I am in NTI today because I made more mistakes than most other people and hopefully I will continue to make mistakes so I can learn from them. And that is something I have learned to apply to my personal life, not just NTI.
Definitely I have seen many downlines come and go. Isn’t that a natural attrition progress that is in every organization? Let’s not just talk about NTI. What can a person achieve in life if everything he tries and fails he gives up? How many times did you try to build up your business network in NTI before deciding to ‘release it’?
So are you saying that people should only persevere at things that they can succeed at the first time?
Again, I would ask you to clarify. If there are absolutely NO people in NTI who have a good result, why is our membership growing and our sales increasing everyday?
Oh, because we are good at scamming.
Come on, friend. Do you think the average Singaporean is really so dense?
So we in NTI have perfected scamming into an art form? So may I ask again, how much have you been scammed by people in NTI? A thousand? Two? Or three thousand and above? The process of market segmentation, effective business presentation and closing of sales are scamming techniques?
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You mean even scamming also have professionlism? Best in Technology, best in products, ... ..., Yes! best in education, you are trained scammer, unlike those online low grades scammers, you people worked as a team. A team to analysis your virus (prospect) and find a way to cure them, using whatever means, like injection?
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My friend, I donÂ’t earn THAT much even when you join me, and I think itÂ’s not very nice to call people names. Why this hostility and animosity towards people in my company? Did you really get burnt financially so badly or did the person who recruited you really not help you at all? If I can earn money so easily by scamming or presenting, doesnÂ’t it make more sense for me to go read the Singapore Tattler and scam one of our millionaires before running off somewhere? That way, I only need to do it ONCE and I can retire already, lol. How many people like you must I scam before I can retire?
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You definately can hold, you are trained remember? A trained lackey/dog/beast. Who never once thinks for others, only for your own-selfish-self. You can lie to us but not to others, when you closed a prospect, you will be happy not because he joined you, is becasue you can earn money at the same time prove you are great at scamming/presenting. Have you really thought "YES! I have helped that guy to step on his road to success", let me help you answer, no.
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And please, don’t put words in my mouth. My answer is definitely ‘YES’, I have helped my downlines. I have sacrificed my time and put in effort to help them to succeed, not just in making presentations on their behalf, but also in training them in proper business etiquette, confidence building and communication skills.
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Hahahah,
Finally, I get to see some constructive messages."Iamfrom NTI", it is great to see that you are bringing out some notable pts about your company. I just wanna enquire what is the vision your company have for the future?
MLM market is rather uneducated locally, many ppl who claim they know lots about MLM are either amateurs or totally confused. I have managed to travel worldwide and get in touch with many MLM giants and realized that this industry is awesome!
So much values have been added to ppl who are involved and up to this era,
more and more ppl are certain that there's a massive potential in this trade..
I sincerely urge ALL who are not involved in MLM now, instead of spending so much time in this forum, go out there and find out which is the right company for you, be it NTI or whatever! Life can get more valuable striving than waiting....
"While one keep reading this forum, the other has learnt enough thru the trial and errors in MLM and make it to the TOP!"
PS: Mr Adminstrator, I really hope for the day this forum is for ppl who are networkers now sharing experiences and insights than many interesting characters who claim they have left the industry sharing their angers.
Goodnight, the understood and the misunderstood...
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firstly, i dont wish to let you guys know my number simply because i dont trust NTI people. simple as that.
secondly, since our only contacts is thru forum then i dont see why you cant contact me thru here.
thirdly, you can always organised another one. in the first place, i didnt agreed to the venue you stated. i already told you before that the venue will change.. wait for further notice.
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i know alot of NTI seniors are in this forums creating multiple clones to act as different people to cover up everything.
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As I have said early that a hp nos has been given to you, if you are really sincere abt the meet-up, you would have contact us thru that nos. Even, you dun trust us, you could have use a private nos to call us so that we can't track your nos.
Most importantly, I did not respond to your post meaning that I've missed that post. How could you claim that I intentionally missed your appt with us?
You have told me many times to arrange for the meet-up with our directors and whoever is involved, now you changed the venue at 3am on a sat morning, how could you expect me to activate all of them to accomodate your last min request?
I did not say that I can't or don't want to arrange another meet-up. if you are sincere, let me know when you can make it this time and I'll be sure not to miss it again. Fine? Or tell me which way you want. I don't want to be accused of not sincere again.
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Originally posted by Lian Jie:
Hmm..... So is this a fact? Or just another rumour to confuse the public? You can check my profile. I can say I'm not a "clone". I joined sgforums way back more than 2 yrs ago, and I'm a regular reader of many topics, not only this. Just very disappointed at the way this particular forum has turned out to be. Lets keep it mature guys, nothing personal.
i know alot of NTI seniors are in this forums creating multiple clones to act as different people to cover up everything.
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I agree with Sanctuary, why not make this a forum where we can all learn from each other? Instead of wasting so much time and energy shooting each other, when I can see most of the things being said are purely emotional and personal insults, and this does not help anybody in any way. Like I said, nothing personal. Cheers! -
This will be my last post here as I do not want to mess up the thread with unecessary information.
I wish to say that many ppl out there have misunderstood NTI. Some may even provide false facts about NTI. This forum is not under controlled and many are just blashing about what they claimed to know to be true.
I am not stopping them from doing since as they are not from NTI. Those statements by them will definately have no impact on us. Ppl are saying that I keep avoiding their queries and I am just ranting here. Let it be.
As you can see that I am definately not good at words, please forgive me for not about to provide all facts. I will leave it to those who are better to comment about NTI in this forum.
But I am able to speak and discuss about it, provided someone is ready for the meet-up again. Again, I welcome anyone to join us so that BMW is not alone and he is not 'cornered' somehow. -
finally got nti guy willing to give detailed answers to our doubt. what i hope iamfromnti to explain is why it seems that nti is just focus on recruitment, cos when presenting plan to prospects, the manager only focus on how the plan can help u earn big bucks by asking people to joined under you.
pls give me detailed answers based on facts on why nti way of earning money is legal. cos it really seems to be just focusing on asking people to find more people to join nti. pls dun give me surface answer like "if not legal, already kena caught by police liao".
in fact i do believe that u can earned money from nti. i think that both the company and the people in it will benefits. but it only provided that the company will not closed down. cos once the company closed down, people at the bottom will not be able to earned back their money.
and one more thing is that when is nti lifetime profit sharing(LPS) starting? cos i was told that it will starts in start of april, but now is already the mid of july. so another doubt will be why nti presentation of plan inculde the LPS when it still not confirmed yet? well... some people do joined just for the LPS, and yet the LPS is still not confirmed. -
How disappointing can this forum be?
From various inputs from nti agents, it seem they dont want the forum to
a) let their victims speak up
b) have various discussion on their operations, which incidentally, they had not answered the points covered in the original threads,
And someone point out to me, except for Iamfromnti which has post rather coherently, which nti agent that came up actually not flame the forumers and turn this forum into a big brouhaha?
Many forumers has alredi noted this point of nti agents, including the various animal clones that came up last year. Not shockingly, they disappeared.
We gave Ms Heat umpteen chances to explain, but all she wanted was people not to disagree with her. A bit childish isnt it?
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So u mean potentially only a few people survive?Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Yes, I know Benny. What does that have to do with anything? I donÂ’t need to come up with any flawless answers, just those that are relevant to the topic I started and relevent to my own experience in NTI. *chuckles
And I definitely donÂ’t need anyone to help me out in replying anything. Feel free to bombard away with your questions, maybe we can both learn something in the process.
So many people have claimed to have negative experiences in NTI, but I have been here for almost 2 years, and my experience has been very positive. Why is that?
Thats cool too, since the number of failures is the results people submit four figure sums to you during the recruitment exercises.
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Again, i think at least three four forumers already said it.Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:This will be my last post here as I do not want to mess up the thread with unecessary information.
I wish to say that many ppl out there have misunderstood NTI. Some may even provide false facts about NTI. This forum is not under controlled and many are just blashing about what they claimed to know to be true.
I am not stopping them from doing since as they are not from NTI. Those statements by them will definately have no impact on us. Ppl are saying that I keep avoiding their queries and I am just ranting here. Let it be.
As you can see that I am definately not good at words, please forgive me for not about to provide all facts. I will leave it to those who are better to comment about NTI in this forum.
But I am able to speak and discuss about it, provided someone is ready for the meet-up again. Again, I welcome anyone to join us so that BMW is not alone and he is not 'cornered' somehow.
Why meet up for stuff you could simply say here?
Some even noted your word contain nuthing but reassurance that you wouldnt recruit people, whereas any other MLM company would say they wouldnt try to sell u any products.
Note your repeated use of the word recruitment.
Also, you didnt answer what people wanted, causing flaming mess, and you didnt want to mess up topic your fren from nti posted.
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well, i didnt quote the part where you already started flaming, as predictedOriginally posted by IamfromNTI:I can see that sardonic humor is probably not very well understood or appreciated by people here. Nonetheless, I do the best I can. If I really am cheating people, I wouldnÂ’t even bother to come clear the air in here, for isnÂ’t there a sucker born every minute? Like I asked in my previous post, friend, of course Singaporeans are not gullible! ThatÂ’s why our sales and membership are still increasing! SoÂ…can you answer me, NTI has been around for 2 years now, and our sales and memberships are still increasing. Is that because people in Singapore are stupid, or not?
now the above post i have problem with
Its well noted many companies will claim they are expanding and growing, and that they are surviving, so it means they are fundamentally a ok?
Not until you release an audited financial statement proving your claims showing that there are repeat sales from same unique personnel. You also. wouldnt us to continue believing the supposedly number of sales are from fools who put in three four figure sums in a hurry and realised they are duped isnt it? You also, did not back your claims that the expansion is not empty too.
Again, spare me the survival part. AMH, a notorious company, hang around for a long time b4 they are put down. Asayo too. And even then, many scams in the past went bust, but not caught.
And i put foward view from other forums in sgforums
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You..ae just repeating what many nti agents have been lambasted here for.Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Thank you for the feedback, Laurence. The very fact that I am in here shows that I am concerned with the number of claims that have been made. I never said that these people were lying. I said that due to the fact that everyone in this forum is using an alternate avatar or persona, it is very easy for anyone to create an account and claim that they were cheated by NTI, right? If there are really so many cases, why have they not come forward to the relevant people or authorities to claim their damages? DoesnÂ’t Singapore have a very fair system of representation for consumers? If NTI really cheated these people of their hard earned money, why have none of them come to NTI to claim their money? Even members of Raffles Town Club can also bring suit against the club when they feel the benefits of the membership were misrepresented.
And since when did NTI ever ask people to invest in a Batam resort?
I would never presume to brush off anyone, after all, everyone deserves a fair chance and itÂ’s my belief that anyone can succeed in any networking company in the MLM industry provided you are willing to put in the effort to learn and not give up the moment you hit your first obstacle. LetÂ’s put things in perspective, thereÂ’s no need for any angst.
regards
You claim again they are false. Like i said, up to you. Thats to me, brushing off people by suggesting they are clone nicks.
And two, you guys play on the weakness of your victims, You guys forgot, most of your charges are younglings, not full fledged adults. I have talked to some of these people, and we had peeps going around trying to get their money back. But oh well, to you, its prolly just another claim.
You forgot that you are a corporation that can use its resources to stamp people down, One good example? Look at the amount of legal threats you guys just dump into this forum. And gosh, most of these people are afraid. Do you realise, among the so many corporate governance issue, only NKF saga was the only one people responded strongly to?
So dont give me again, this why no people go complain kind of thing.
You dont check the history of your president do u? I posted on article last year from ST, where his former company NOP International made sales out of resort membership for a resort that wasnt built. I had nti agents coming in to claim his past didnt matter, he change for the better yada yada
Guess what? That incident was last year, when nti is alredi in operation. I had to spend some time laughing on that too.
Seriously, some of the stuff u said are repeated, and were already argued over. Let just give you some credit. You post more coherently, but otherwise, you are not clearing doubts.
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Firstly, if you are really so paranoid that people in NTI will be so childish as to abuse your phone number, ( rolls eyes ), there is something called PRIVATE NUMBER.Originally posted by I love BMW:firstly, i dont wish to let you guys know my number simply because i dont trust NTI people. simple as that.
secondly, since our only contacts is thru forum then i dont see why you cant contact me thru here.
thirdly, you can always organised another one. in the first place, i didnt agreed to the venue you stated. i already told you before that the venue will change.. wait for further notice.
lastly, how much money JP paid to sgforums?
Secondly, like I said, one phone call, one minute, thats all it takes to make an appointment with a steady person. Who has the time to log on to this forum 24/7 to wait for your reply?
Lastly, If by JP you mean Mr. James Phang, I find it ridiculous to the extreme that you are actually suggesting that we are paying money to sgforums. For goodness sake, grow up lar. -
I also know you are not who you say you are.Originally posted by Lian Jie:i know alot of NTI seniors are in this forums creating multiple clones to act as different people to cover up everything.
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Dont be surprised.Originally posted by IamfromNTI:Firstly, if you are really so paranoid that people in NTI will be so childish as to abuse your phone number, ( rolls eyes ), there is something called PRIVATE NUMBER.
Secondly, like I said, one phone call, one minute, thats all it takes to make an appointment with a steady person. Who has the time to log on to this forum 24/7 to wait for your reply?
Lastly, If by JP you mean Mr. James Phang, I find it ridiculous to the extreme that you are actually suggesting that we are paying money to sgforums. For goodness sake, grow up lar.
Before AMH closes down, when it was still humming along, it advertised on sgforums, resulting in past AMH topics been deleted.
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Good day to you, thanks for your questions. Firstly, may I ask which manager presented to you the idea that it is purely recruitment and not product sales that generates the income for our agents? It is a function of our business plan, that a consumer of NTI products may also take part in our business plan to become not just a comsumer but also a networker, so in essence, when there are more people in your sales team, your income of course rises accordingly. But hear this, once and for all. PRODUCT SALES are the only thing that GENERATES PROFITS and COMMISIONS for our agents.Originally posted by netural:finally got nti guy willing to give detailed answers to our doubt. what i hope iamfromnti to explain is why it seems that nti is just focus on recruitment, cos when presenting plan to prospects, the manager only focus on how the plan can help u earn big bucks by asking people to joined under you.
pls give me detailed answers based on facts on why nti way of earning money is legal. cos it really seems to be just focusing on asking people to find more people to join nti. pls dun give me surface answer like "if not legal, already kena caught by police liao".
in fact i do believe that u can earned money from nti. i think that both the company and the people in it will benefits. but it only provided that the company will not closed down. cos once the company closed down, people at the bottom will not be able to earned back their money.
and one more thing is that when is nti lifetime profit sharing(LPS) starting? cos i was told that it will starts in start of april, but now is already the mid of july. so another doubt will be why nti presentation of plan inculde the LPS when it still not confirmed yet? well... some people do joined just for the LPS, and yet the LPS is still not confirmed.
(Just stating a point. Not meaning to shout.)
Therefore product sales have always been an intergral part of our business plan. It doesn't take much training or explanations to make a product salesman, but it does take some explanation for a new member to understand our business plan, network compensation scheme and percentages of payout.
NTI earn money because NTI is selling products lor. So simple. The business plan is something extra, because I can just sell you a product and treat you as a customer and leave it at that. But the plan is included as a function of our business so that product consumers and customers can also get benefits from helping us retail our products. Accordingly, if you were purely a customer of NTI and just use our products, you would get benefits as and when you have repeat sales as well.
No one can guarantee you that a certain company will not close down or meet with difficulties. Even large, established coporations with decades of history may fold up overnight. After all, it only took the actions of one person to break Barings Bank, WorldCom and Enron just to list a few examples.
What we CAN do is to present to you the road we have travelled as a company and the planning we have for the future, you have to have your own discretion and judge for yourself whether NTI, or VE, or Amway, or Coslab, or any other other company is suitable for you.
Thanks for your concern and enquiry on the LPS function of our business plan. I am glad to announce that details for the LPS portion of the plan has been finalised and will be starting soon.
The rest, I would just like to state that time will prove everything.
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Good day, Laurence.Originally posted by laurence82:How disappointing can this forum be?
From various inputs from nti agents, it seem they dont want the forum to
a) let their victims speak up
b) have various discussion on their operations, which incidentally, they had not answered the points covered in the original threads,
And someone point out to me, except for Iamfromnti which has post rather coherently, which nti agent that came up actually not flame the forumers and turn this forum into a big brouhaha?
Many forumers has alredi noted this point of nti agents, including the various animal clones that came up last year. Not shockingly, they disappeared.
We gave Ms Heat umpteen chances to explain, but all she wanted was people not to disagree with her. A bit childish isnt it?
How can anyone prevent anyone else from speaking up? What I am asking for is not a gag order, just verification of the claims that were made, because there IS a standard of operation in place for the refund of any money gained if NTI agents misrepresented the company. I mean, if really NTI or representatives of NTI cheated anyone, there are proper channels to go to to seek redress, like I said, the law in Singapore heavily favours the consumers as long as they can prove they were unfairly treated.
I did not go through most of the original threads because I did not like to see discussions degenerate into flame wars. Who started it? Pointing fingers will not help. neither will incohorent, impotent ranting in a public forum.
It will not help me make my company a better place, neither will it help those people who feel they have been unfairly treated.
It also helps if people can see both sides of the story and be willing to accept a different POV. How can I have a discussion with anyone if I am only prepared to accept a single point of view, mine?
And what's up with all the name calling? Is that necessary?
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Can you elaborate on how you mean only a few people survive?Originally posted by laurence82:So u mean potentially only a few people survive?
Thats cool too, since the number of failures is the results people submit four figure sums to you during the recruitment exercises.
Hope you enjoy the monies these victims gave you, No wonder for the tightfisted refund policy.
And please, NTI has never conducted recruitment excercises for people to submit any four figure sums.
Any money that a person chooses to invest is used to purchase products, not to go into my pockets.
You see, these are some of those senseless and unproven allegations that I was talking about. My company has refunded people money, what tightfisted refund policy are you talking about?
Case in point. My company has ever refunded people money AND taken back products from distributors who appealed for refund due to compassionate grounds that he needed the money he used to start the business for a family emergency. That is on record.
If anything, my company has a way too lenient refund policy. For example's sake, if today you were to buy a handphone from M1 or a laptop from Apple, can you go back to M1 or Apple the next day and ask for a refund based on the fact that 'your mum needs an operation and you need the cash'?
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Bro, if you wanna talk conspiracy theories, this isn't the best one, man. I ever have people telling me NTI is a scam, cannot do one, cannot earn money one, etc. etc. Then when I ask that since if we have contravened the Multi-level Marketing and Pyramid selling act, why have no representatives from either the Commercial Affairs Division or the ministry of trade and Industry gotten in contact with us?Originally posted by laurence82:Dont be surprised.
Before AMH closes down, when it was still humming along, it advertised on sgforums, resulting in past AMH topics been deleted.
It will not be surprising to see any company sponsoring any discussion forums to shut down negative remarks.
You know what he tell me?
"Because your boss give money to the government, thats why you are allowed to operate".
WALAU!!! when I heard that I laughed until my tears came you know! All this time I was selling aromatherapy, skin care products and obsidian. If by giving money to government I will be allowed to operate a scam company, then I might as well sell drugs, arms or chicks! Profit margin is so much higher! -
Brother, do you have any business experience at all? Do you know that my company is Pte. Ltd. Do you even know what is Pte., Ltd.? I do not have to disclose anything to you simply because bro, I did not issue shares to you, you know? I am a PRIVATE LIMITED company therefore I did not issue shares to you, I did not raise funds from members of the public by releasing an IPO, therefore I do not have stockholders or hold annual general meeting to give an accounting of my financial statements, you know?Originally posted by laurence82:well, i didnt quote the part where you already started flaming, as predicted
now the above post i have problem with
Its well noted many companies will claim they are expanding and growing, and that they are surviving, so it means they are fundamentally a ok?
Not until you release an audited financial statement proving your claims showing that there are repeat sales from same unique personnel. You also. wouldnt us to continue believing the supposedly number of sales are from fools who put in three four figure sums in a hurry and realised they are duped isnt it? You also, did not back your claims that the expansion is not empty too.
Again, spare me the survival part. AMH, a notorious company, hang around for a long time b4 they are put down. Asayo too. And even then, many scams in the past went bust, but not caught.
And i put foward view from other forums in sgforums
yes, a significant number, if not the majority of the Singapore population, expecially the youngs, need urgent neurological surgery.
For goodness sake, don't you find that you are very presumptuous? Can you walk into any Pte. Ltd. company in Singapore and just demand to see their audited financial statements? Seriously, I'd like to see you try that.
And now I see that what is more dangerous than pure ignorance is a little knowledge mixed with the misconception that one knows everything.
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Oh yeah? You guys still need to go 22nd floor to transact? I still thought you guys like to buy points from your RSD and direct purchase the package?Originally posted by IamfromNTI:How do you define selling stuffs in public? We do have product sales, just that as a function of our network marketing plan we go more on referral sales and word of mouth. Our retail shop of course is at No. 1 Shenton Way. Our transaction counter is on the 22nd floor.
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I never claim that anyone is false. I just said, if there is a claim, pls verify it instead of shouting in here, "help, help, I've been scammed!"Originally posted by laurence82:You..ae just repeating what many nti agents have been lambasted here for.
You claim again they are false. Like i said, up to you. Thats to me, brushing off people by suggesting they are clone nicks.
And two, you guys play on the weakness of your victims, You guys forgot, most of your charges are younglings, not full fledged adults. I have talked to some of these people, and we had peeps going around trying to get their money back. But oh well, to you, its prolly just another claim.
You forgot that you are a corporation that can use its resources to stamp people down, One good example? Look at the amount of legal threats you guys just dump into this forum. And gosh, most of these people are afraid. Do you realise, among the so many corporate governance issue, only NKF saga was the only one people responded strongly to?
So dont give me again, this why no people go complain kind of thing.
You dont check the history of your president do u? I posted on article last year from ST, where his former company NOP International made sales out of resort membership for a resort that wasnt built. I had nti agents coming in to claim his past didnt matter, he change for the better yada yada
Guess what? That incident was last year, when nti is alredi in operation. I had to spend some time laughing on that too.
Seriously, some of the stuff u said are repeated, and were already argued over. Let just give you some credit. You post more coherently, but otherwise, you are not clearing doubts.
Just a note: If you claim the victims are clones, be mindful of the supposed lackeys of yours who posted here.
And seriously, young people are not as stupid as you make them out to be, ok? I have downlines from all five polytechnics as well as even NUS and NTU. As an additional clause you have to be 18 anyway before you are allowed to sign up as a NTI distributor.
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I just sidetrack for a moment ar, cos I can't resist. Who on earth uses the word "Younglings"?! Who talks like that? Oh my GAWD, "Younglings"!, hahaha! I can't believe you used that word. I've only heard that word once in my life in a badly scripted movie! "Younglings"!, Wahahaha I can't tahan! ROFL! "Yes, Master Kenobi, I will teach the younglings the ways of the force, please excuse my Jedi Mind Tricks!!" Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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Please lar, bro. There are no conspiracy theories lar. What happened to NOP in the past, seriously, I also dunno all the details. But hasn't that issue been settled a long time ago? Since Mr. James Phang is still alright, no one has litigated or brought suit against him, the people who bought the memberships for the club that was not built were refunded also, right?
And besides, which entrepreneur or businessman in the world have never suffered setbacks or business failures or failed ventures? Are you saying that If I or you or James Phang ever failed even once in our lives, we should go hide in a cave and never try again?
And please lar, I don't have 'lackeys', or 'dogs', or whatever terms you guys have for people in NTI. Such name calling only shows a lack of maturity. All my guys are people who know how to think, not the mindless "Sales Zombies" or brainwashed masses you make them out to be, ok?