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>>>>posted by leddy:
she too deep into nti liao, and she paiseh to tell us she made a mistake. she probably how lian to too many ppl until if she now admits that nti is a mistake, she's dont know where to put her face. plus she cheated many friends n relatives, if she admits nti sucks, she would be labelled a cheater... so dont be too hard on her okiE? ..............
you really beat me to saying this....arrghh.
but i shall add on...Miss Prickly Heat probably kena fucked big time by all her frens , family and relatives for fooling them into this.
the how lian and arrogant part is confirmed truth. (go read my LIFE CYCLE OF A TYPICAL MLMER thread if it is still around). she must have snubbed those ppl who try to pull her out. so now there's no turning back for her, but to soldier on aimlessly, and one thing for her to do is to DRAG OTHERS DOWN INTO THE MUD WITH HER.
its like she was dumped on her wedding day, and now she goes around breaking up couples and families.
am i correct Miss Prickly Heat???
ok lah, i shall not be too hard on her........ -
for Miss Prickly Heat
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1) Mr X gets enticed into joining MLM.
He persuades people around him (including YOU) to join him in a new business opportunity,quoting the need to have dual income, need to have entrepreneur spirit, need to change mindset..... He will also quote big and prominent names and corporations and say they are into MLM also...names like Bill Gates, IBM, Microsoft, Nike etc.....
He also claims that his MLM company is the best, with the best product, best mgmt, best team, best remuneration structure.
bankers, lawyers, heart surgeons and 747 pilots have joined this company.
top men in this company drives Porsche, lives in 2 bungalows etc....
He also mentions why things like why work for 40 years and retire for 10years. why not work for 10 years and retire for 40 years.
2) Mr X stops bothering you, taking it that you are hopeless and stubborn and ignorant.
Off he goes on his new "business" venture.
typical paraniod questions thrown at you in the heat of frustration trying to
convince you includes:
i) pyramid selling? can you explain to me what exactly is pyramid selling and the difference between pyramid selling and MLM????????
ii) you not interested then you ask so many questions for what???!!!!!
iii) if I answer this question of yours, you agree to buy and join???, then???!!!!
You will see him approaching people in all scenarios from a wedding banquet, a drinking session, a mahjong session, lunch, Incamp training etc.....
3) Mr X having been rejected by the numerous people that he approaches, now complains to you, and starts to bad-mouth those who reject him, labelling them as no ambition, kiasi, no entrepreneurship and so on. But notice that he will not mention a slight hint of the MLM business he is involved in to you, even if you ask him. Vague answers will be given like new way, new business, new concept of selling.
4) Mr X now having failed considerably to make good on his MLM business, now makes a call to you, asking casually if you are interested in joining his business venture. at most, he will mention the product itself,(magnetic mattress, health food, gold coin) but not the MLM company name itself.
5) Mr X could have approach his MLM upline trying to refund the product, but this will not be made known to people whom he had approached. Whether the refund is successful or not, only Mr X knows, (I would see this as something being done BACKSTAGE, away from the audience)
6) Mr X now still stuck, keeps to himself and stop mentioning the business. this is where the embarassment part comes into play. Extreme embarassment meaning he has shown to you so much faith, hope and promise in the thing at the very beginning and now it has failed him entirely and make him so lost. still he presists and refuses to admit its not working, for saving face sake,
7) so once in a while Mr X unleashes it again,"how would you like to join me in my business."
and the name Robert Kiyosaki is probably a standard dish being served in this whole banquet.
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so Miss Prickly Heat, which stage are you in now?? 7? -
Who the fuck the Robert Kiyosaki, I've read 8 books from his Rich Dad series, it's a waste of time, teach you nothing but MLM MLM MLM MLM.
http://www.johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html
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Anyway, the fact that it's a top selling business book(ie Rich Dad) infer nothing about its quality.
If it's a storybook, like Harry Potter or Da Vinci Code, the fact that it's a best-seller still have some relevance because it's because people like the writing style or the fact that the story have the ability to excite the readers, giving joy in the process. No prior knowledge or experience is required.
However when it comes to books on business and finance? Who are the ones who buy the books to make it a best-seller? Yes, it's the newbies! So are the opinion of newbies regarding to business and finance books reliable? Of course not! The guide to such books only has relevance only when people who judge them are familiar with this field (ie business leaders, CEOs, etc).
Anyway, IMHO, only the first 1/3 of Rich Dad is relevant, but VERY SHALLOW. The rest is plain nonsense and long-windedness....I seriously doubt the credibiliity of Kiyosaki. Yes, he may be rich, because people who hype and buy his 'business' books made him rich. Not because he was rich from doing business in the first place. Haha...how ironical and paradoxical...because selling his 'business' books is also a form of business...
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err, maybe robert is real good. but nti people simply like to link it with them, like bill gate. so shamless. they was thinking to use books like rich dad poor dad, ESBI, 1 minute manger, etc to bluff people
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Good morning! I am back!
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ms prickly heat u got msn? can pm me?
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Seriously, you guys can say whatever you want to me, 'suan me' but I will still stand-by my belief. The more you try to distort the facts, the more happy I am. I am here to stay so that ppl will see our true colours. The more you try to argue with me, the more misleading statements you guys will post here. Ppl there have eyes and they can see.
Dun write to me any long posts, I am not interested to read. Usually I will skip. Too straining for my eyes.
My family members, my friends are not ashamed of what I am doing. I am proud to do wat I am doing now. I have never cheated their $. These are all your claims not mine.
Lastly, at least I am following what a millionaire is doing now, maybe I have the chance to earn big bucks. No doubt that the failing rate is higher but at least I've tried.
Unlike our expert here, ask yourself how much are you taking home per month? If you continue to do what you are doing now, don't expect yourself to get rich in the future. Dun even think of that.
I am no newbie to network marketing and direct selling in fact I am in this line for at least 5 years. I've seen successful cases and failure too!
Cut those crap.
Doing MLM is not a sin. Most of you agree that there are bad eggs. Perhaps, like most says, we have too many youngsters in NTI. Thus the lack of maturity and perservance. They gave up themselves, we never give them up. There's noting wrong with the company. Only something wrong with the ppl doing it. -
Basically no one here is against MLM...you noe what i mean? So, what does MLM means to you in the 1st place? Many ppl have different knowledge abt MLM....perphaps you can state ur views in what MLM's?Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:Seriously, you guys can say whatever you want to me, 'suan me' but I will still stand-by my belief. The more you try to distort the facts, the more happy I am. I am here to stay so that ppl will see our true colours. The more you try to argue with me, the more misleading statements you guys will post here. Ppl there have eyes and they can see.
Dun write to me any long posts, I am not interested to read. Usually I will skip. Too straining for my eyes.
My family members, my friends are not ashamed of what I am doing. I am proud to do wat I am doing now. I have never cheated their $. These are all your claims not mine.
Lastly, at least I am following what a millionaire is doing now, maybe I have the chance to earn big bucks. No doubt that the failing rate is higher but at least I've tried.
Unlike our expert here, ask yourself how much are you taking home per month? If you continue to do what you are doing now, don't expect yourself to get rich in the future. Dun even think of that.
I am no newbie to network marketing and direct selling in fact I am in this line for at least 5 years. I've seen successful cases and failure too!
Cut those crap.
Doing MLM is not a sin. Most of you agree that there are bad eggs. Perhaps, like most says, we have too many youngsters in NTI. Thus the lack of maturity and perservance. They gave up themselves, we never give them up. There's noting wrong with the company. Only something wrong with the ppl doing it.
The issue here would be rather not against MLM, but NTI alone...and of coz, some similiar "MLM" companies like NTI. -
I know that you are an ex-agent from NTI...and I knew that you are not doing your job there and therefore not earning single cent. Why flame here?Originally posted by dcx:Basically no one here is against MLM...you noe what i mean? So, what does MLM means to you in the 1st place? Many ppl have different knowledge abt MLM....perphaps you can state ur views in what MLM's?
The issue here would be rather not against MLM, but NTI alone...and of coz, some similiar "MLM" companies like NTI.
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you claim yourself to have 5 years experience? lol...
oh dear... thats the reason why i doubt NTI. NTI produce this kind of standard people...
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Originally posted by teekh:
the reason why RK is rich isnt because of his book sales, he has already retired as a millionaire before he wrote the books, at the age of 47. His road to prosperity was real estate, trading and building businesses, which is why his books are widely recognised and acclaimed.
Anyway, IMHO, only the first 1/3 of Rich Dad is relevant, but VERY SHALLOW. The rest is plain nonsense and long-windedness....I seriously doubt the credibiliity of Kiyosaki. Yes, he may be rich, because people who hype and buy his 'business' books made him rich. Not because he was rich from doing business in the first place. Haha...how ironical and paradoxical...because selling his 'business' books is also a form of business... [/b]
The reason why people associate this name to MLM scams is because lots of unscrupulous MLM companies are making use of his name to attract customers. More often than not, these companies claim that they follow the teachings of RK and even integrate his wisdom in their 'training' programmes. However, these companies totally ignore the fundamentals of RK's theories, thwarting them to their advantage and misleading their customers with it.
Heh, once there was this person from DW who told me that i'd be as successful as Robert Kiyosaki one day if i work hard in his company. I asked him who is Robert Kiyosaki, guess what? he told me that RK the world's most successful businessman. Then i asked him, "what did RK trade in?"
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haha...u're too over-confidence....i was even older than NTI...NTI wasn't even born yet when i joined...If i did not quit, i'm ur upline's upline's upline's upline's up up up up.....UPLINE. In simple, pioneer.Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:I know that you are an ex-agent from NTI...and I knew that you are not doing your job there and therefore not earning single cent. Why flame here?
Is it because you are 'useless'?
The reason y i quitted is not becoz i dun earn $$$ there, as a matter of fact, NTI dun pay me...the ppl whom i recruited pay me $$$..it's becoz of its products & the ways ED uses that i dun trust....
For your info, many younsters & ppl in ED (NTI) dun use their brains...all of them can tell you the same stories, draw the same circles n lines, using same tactics to talk over you (Not to buy their products, but to join them in their Money-making plans => Wrong tactics & moves)...All are the same....never use brains....uplines say what, they juz follow....in simple, no leadership, no business mind, no creativity....well...how to make big bucks if you contain none of these, at least....
Have you gone for any training?
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Talking about boost the enthusiam is actually having a course like PSC.
And little girl, what is psc? well it is pilosophy of success course...
What does this course does?
they will be acting so serious that 'scares' you off
1. JP will come into the stage in first floor and talk about some dugs like 100 university students how many become successful at the age 55 and how many of them are not successful
2. after the stupid talk they will let you guys played a game, from what manger to BDM, you must cross over some distance and do a unique actions while you walk. after you are in the other side, you must do another unique actions back again, any repeated actions will have to redo, this time is BDM to BRM.
3. you will have some cheap skate lunch after this and here is the main physco arrived, if this one they can't physco you, you are safe!
Listen up, jp will give each one of them who attend the PSC a piece of paper, the conent of the paper is actually some 'success words' and you really have to shout about it! so difficult you know? shout until your throat have blood but they still say your effort is only 50%. This is a scam here! it won't boost you voice but actually a brainwashing process! they need you to shout to 100%, which is totally impossible. One of their manger say actaully that one is a fraud because no one can have 100% effort, such with a light background music is a simple hypostise to make you loyal to JP only! Meanwhile, your upline will give some crocodile tear and come inside to push you to shout, they will act until so pethetic like mother died, come inside and keep physco you. If you cried, you are gone.
4. after is will be some stupid game that divide 100 of you into groups of 4, and will collect $5 from each of you. than you guys will be chained up and whoever goes through the hoola hoop fastest, they will win the price. soooo stupid...
5. after the dinner, everythings ends, you guys wil seat around and hear jp story, this is where he say on of his eyes is blind
The second day
1. some stupid talks again
2. after the stupid lunch, you all have to shout again! so stupid you see? you will feel wtf? thoart is already so painful still have to shout? this time is 2 by 2, everyone will queue in either rows, 3 ausher will stand opposite you, everyone need to run towards them in a sequence and shout at them. oh my god... if you didn't cry you cannot pass this stage. the main point is just to put some tears and then you are over.
3. then stupid dinner some
4. now is the final + intensive brainwash + physco + hypotise, you people have to arrange the chair in pairs, the light is off, there is some background music and someone is talking over the mic in a very light tone. he will say things that will greatly rise your emotions, remember don't cry and don't think hard about his speech, just sleep inside there.
5. after that many people is thrown around like some mad ass, they will shake hand in a whole group, rather unhealthy.
such a course will have: 1 marker pen, one blank A4 notebook, 2 sets of lunch and dinner... how much it cost? $0.05? $0.10? $0.50? NO it is $100, if anyone is interested, pay my $10 can already, i conduct for you. -
haha...i've attended those kinda "courses" years ago conducted by ED n some agents...most vivid course i can remember most is the 1st one.Originally posted by Neutrend:Talking about boost the enthusiam is actually having a course like PSC.
And little girl, what is psc? well it is pilosophy of success course...
What does this course does?
they will be acting so serious that 'scares' you off
1. JP will come into the stage in first floor and talk about some dugs like 100 university students how many become successful at the age 55 and how many of them are not successful
2. after the stupid talk they will let you guys played a game, from what manger to BDM, you must cross over some distance and do a unique actions while you walk. after you are in the other side, you must do another unique actions back again, any repeated actions will have to redo, this time is BDM to BRM.
3. you will have some cheap skate lunch after this and here is the main physco arrived, if this one they can't physco you, you are safe!
Listen up, jp will give each one of them who attend the PSC a piece of paper, the conent of the paper is actually some 'success words' and you really have to shout about it! so difficult you know? shout until your throat have blood but they still say your effort is only 50%. This is a scam here! it won't boost you voice but actually a brainwashing process! they need you to shout to 100%, which is totally impossible. One of their manger say actaully that one is a fraud because no one can have 100% effort, such with a light background music is a simple hypostise to make you loyal to JP only! Meanwhile, your upline will give some crocodile tear and come inside to push you to shout, they will act until so pethetic like mother died, come inside and keep physco you. If you cried, you are gone.
4. after is will be some stupid game that divide 100 of you into groups of 4, and will collect $5 from each of you. than you guys will be chained up and whoever goes through the hoola hoop fastest, they will win the price. soooo stupid...
5. after the dinner, everythings ends, you guys wil seat around and hear jp story, this is where he say on of his eyes is blind
The second day
1. some stupid talks again
2. after the stupid lunch, you all have to shout again! so stupid you see? you will feel wtf? thoart is already so painful still have to shout? this time is 2 by 2, everyone will queue in either rows, 3 ausher will stand opposite you, everyone need to run towards them in a sequence and shout at them. oh my god... if you didn't cry you cannot pass this stage. the main point is just to put some tears and then you are over.
3. then stupid dinner some
4. now is the final + intensive brainwash + physco + hypotise, you people have to arrange the chair in pairs, the light is off, there is some background music and someone is talking over the mic in a very light tone. he will say things that will greatly rise your emotions, remember don't cry and don't think hard about his speech, just sleep inside there.
5. after that many people is thrown around like some mad ass, they will shake hand in a whole group, rather unhealthy.
such a course will have: 1 marker pen, one blank A4 notebook, 2 sets of lunch and dinner... how much it cost? $0.05? $0.10? $0.50? NO it is $100, if anyone is interested, pay my $10 can already, i conduct for you.
haha...yealor...all those shoutings...haha...everyone's shouting except me, everyone went to the stage to prove to everyone n the instructors that he wan to be successful...shout until really no voice still muz die die shout so as to make everyone agree that he has the determination to be a successful person. Haiz...see until that guy/girl shoout until wanna faint liao then all agreed. kns...haha....
Btw, i'm the only one whom didn't go up to the stage to do those thingys...haha..all rushed to the stage except me...haha...i was left alone sitting on the chair watching them chiong to the stage...haha...guess what...i kenna "AIM" by all the instructors n those "chiongsters".
I mean, do you need to shout to prove to others so that you can be successful?
1) Y would i wanna prove to you guys that i'll be successful?
2) Y would i need to shout? Sounds so idiotic...
3) I see that all are followers rather than leaders.
Skip the rest of contents of the course..the final episode was again to prove to your groups n instructors that you wanna be successful. Again, shoutings, agressiveness, ppl kenna drag out, ppl crying...blah blah blah~
My turn to prove....haha...all surrounded me n pushed me ard saying that i won't succeed n chased me to go home...haha..becoz i juz stood there n juz tell them softly that i'll be successful n will be even more successful that anyone of them. haha.....wah seh....all buey song n keep pushing me again n again, my session was even less than 5mins n James Phang & his RHman(A milllionaire) came up to me n congratulate me that i've graduated the course. Shook my hands & hug me...
Guess what, i'm the only one whom graduated without doing any shoutings...
haha...all of them shouted n cried juz to get graduated from the course...what for manz....To be successful is to use your brain, not your shoutings n agressiveness....
That's what i told JP & the millionaire when i wanted to go home during half of the course. Guess what did the two of them said? They told me that i'm the special one out of the rest of them and i was like the two of them when they were young. haha...the two of them even told me that when everyone chiong to the stage to prove everyone that they wan to be leaders n be successful and i was alone sitting down there, they already spotted my ability n potentials....blah blah blah~
haha...so...tell me...what have you learnt from those courses huh???