NTI PARIS GOOD OR BAD?
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By the way, i was cheated more than $10k.
If you really must join a mlm, please skip this co.
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Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:
Yes, I agree with you that there will still be crime but if the practise is illegal, why do we have an association in Singapore? There must be something that people does not understand or misuse it.
I don't consider myself smart. But I will be here to clarify any doubt if need be. Whether it's a terrible mistake or not, I consider myself a lesson learnt. Afterall, if there are people out there who have proven that they can earn big bucks, why don't I give myself a chance?
It's a [b]small investment afterall compared to those thousands of dollars to set up a business. Logical?
Why don't I give it a shot while I am still young, rather than wasting my time here to fight with people about what so BAD about MLM 24/7?[/b]
I can tell you that 80% of the ppl in NTI will have this mindset...
Juz a question for you...how many employees does NTI has now? Let's say erm...300...ok?
2millions of adults..1million aged between 16~28....how much do you think you can get from this 1million Singaporean? -
Given the current economic situation, even if an investment is smaller than providing capital to set up a retail shop, or other biz, it doesnt mean its totally ok for u to throw in that four five figure sum.
Most of the agents are teens as well.
Taking risk is good, but smart people take calculated risks, not bashing into an adventure thinking the world is beautiful for ya.
Look at most of the reply by nti agents, not people who support nti.
There are still no defence to the reasons why application to join is processed way faster than application for refund.
Other companies can boast well of their products and services, which serve as the main focus for the core of their revenues.
But nti? If telling me products is secondary, and that its a good investment opportunity which basically rely on continual flow of people throwing money into that pool of money for uplines to dip their hands into, its bloody illegal.
Some people raise points in the original topic, why the exact same products are selling at half price elsewhere, for example, in Taiwan, and why it was manufactured in Taiwan, than France as they claimed?
For the past one and half year, there is no reply to these points and more.
People just coming into and bullshiat their way about backstabbing, bravery and other rhetorics that only want to appeal to the emotion, but irrationality of people. -
BUT you already have the mindset that only positive reply comes from NTI agent. It cannot be anyone else.
Isn't it logical that only those who are in the F&B line will know how it works? Likewise for other business.
If you are not in the MLM business or from the company, whatever you post here is only base in your personal judgement!Of course, if we know that whatever post here is untrue, logically we will want to clarify!
Just imagine, if I say that your GF is a flirt just because I FEEL and my IMPRESSION of her is that! Do you think it's fair? Unfair right!
Remember, people will only say about how bad the company is, how they are being trick to join the company. But please, did anyone point a knife at their neck? Afterall, it's THEIR $. Do you think it's easy to trick people $?
Also, there are rules in every business, did they follow the rules? If they didn't earn anything out of it, please ask them what have they done? There's no free lunch in this world. -
Originally posted by dcx:
To survive anywhere, we must be positive. You may be right that most of us feel this way.
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I can tell you that 80% of the ppl in NTI will have this mindset...
Juz a question for you...how many employees does NTI has now? Let's say erm...300...ok?
2millions of adults..1million aged between 16~28....how much do you think you can get from this 1million Singaporean?
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Think about it, if you think that you are fail in your business, do you think you have the confident to do well? Of course, we must be positive! Even if we fail, there's noting to lose. We can always earn back the $ from somewhere else.
If you are thinking of doing big, and you are not willingly to invest in that few K, please stay under employment forever.
Please go around and ask those businessman, how much $ have they lost before they start earning big bucks. -
Contradiction----Lost money n been tricked is a two different thing...Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:To survive anywhere, we must be positive. You may be right that most of us feel this way.
Think about it, if you think that you are fail in your business, do you think you have the confident to do well? Of course, we must be positive! Even if we fail, there's noting to lose. We can always earn back the $ from somewhere else.
If you are thinking of doing big, and you are not willingly to invest in that few K, please stay under employment forever.
Please go around and ask those businessman, how much $ have they lost before they start earning big bucks.
One thing to note also, not every businessman succeed.
What's wrong being under employment? Being a Director or Manager of any companies is an honest job. Not trying to say that NTI's doing some "dishonest" thingy, but ever thought of why so many ppl (including those who had joined NTI or any simliar compaines) are regretting n felt that they've been cheated or tricked?
Well...you may say that it's becoz they did not earn $$$ n that's y they're "saying grapes're sour"...
Also, if you're thinking of doing something big n earn big bucks, y not you invest in shares? 50-50 in shares...chances of working so hard to see big bucks under NTI's very slim compared to shares.
Not saying that you'll fail in working with NTI, but then, it's still up to you to decide what you want...money's not easy to earn, but easy to be tricked becoz of greediness....
Btw, i've known a few businessmen who're bosses...two of them had their companies public listed in the main board. What's their recipes? Hardwork n high IQ ( Smart )...
I believe you still do not have a clear vision of what NTI's doing...i believe you strongly believe in NTI is becoz of the ways they manage n talk to their employees...how's & what's the company's prospects? (Do you think that you're able to make ppl believe in NTI when the ratio of ppl against NTI is 1:5? or manye even worse...) If that's so, do you think you can succeed in NTI? Also, how long do you intend to give yourself a grace period to see your success in NTI?
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Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:
hMz...do you think by doing this such as giving out such comments will let ppl have a good impression of NTI? I believe by doing so, NTI'll never going to be a good name to ppl outside...what ppl may feel that NTI's just trying to make money n turn their employees into very successful ppl...but then...what's NTI's products? Are they selling products or promoting their scrolls of success? It beats me.....
BUT you already have the mindset that only positive reply comes from NTI agent. It cannot be anyone else.
Isn't it logical that only those who are in the F&B line will know how it works? Likewise for other business.
If you are not in the MLM business or from the company, whatever you post here is only base in your [b]personal judgement!Of course, if we know that whatever post here is untrue, logically we will want to clarify!
Just imagine, if I say that your GF is a flirt just because I FEEL and my IMPRESSION of her is that! Do you think it's fair? Unfair right!
Remember, people will only say about how bad the company is, how they are being trick to join the company. But please, did anyone point a knife at their neck? Afterall, it's THEIR $. Do you think it's easy to trick people $?
Also, there are rules in every business, did they follow the rules? If they didn't earn anything out of it, please ask them what have they done? There's no free lunch in this world.
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You dun prove your products in these ways...i mean, majority of ppl's impression of NTI's not good already, and so, y shld you wanna argue with them? You shld be selling ur products instead of trying to revive the name of NTI into good impression.
Remember, it's a sales job...you need to have sales...and lots of sales to be earning big bucks n successful....make ppl trust ur products n not the company..that's what i do not see most NTI's employees are doing...they're arguing or rather debating that how good is NTI doing...
What i've seen in LPS, every NTI employee at LPS's doing circles & lines....all the SIR thingy & etc....but hey...where're the products? As a consumer, i'm more interested in your products rather than to know how you make your money thru these money-making plans n recruiting ppl.... -
nothing wrong with mlm... is just NTI MANAGEMENT that is very wrong!
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Sometimes, people like to bluff themselves. Ms Pickly Heat, you are obviously bluffing yourself. The reason alot of ppl have complained and expressed their regrets in joining this company is because there really is something fundamentally flawed about this company or rather about the concept of MLM.
There are many business or companies out there which also been complained about but I've never seen so much with MLMs. It's like everywhere I go, ppl are always complaining about them.
MLM is not your business, neither does it give you a chance to be business man. You are only selling products or recruiting ppl to join you, where the f can u gain any business knowledge or experience? You are no better off from a salesman in Sony Gallery. How much of a businessman does that make you?
Telling you that mlm gives u a chance at business is like talking with my asshole. Have you gained any knowledge of the laws associated with doing business? What about understanding the economy and what about the global economy? Do you know how to read a company's financial statements? Can you develop any level of understanding about the health of the company thru it's financial statements? Do you know where your company stands in terms of the local economy? Do you know how to valuate your company? What are the risks your company is exposed in terms of long-term debts? How vulnerable is it to a recession? Does it have any durable competitive advantage? If you are the owner of ur business, you should at least know a little of what I've mentioned. Only an employee need not necessary to know about such things.
At the end of the day, you are just an agent for the company, selling or recruiting and gaining comission from the sales of the products. What is worse is that you probably work as hard or even harder than a salesman in sony gallery, and you dont have a stable income like him. If you spend some effort to learn how businesses and economies work, you will find there are many more creative, interesting and profitable way of doing business. And MLM ultimately only benefit the top guy or the owner of the company. YES the owner of the company... that is his business.... not yours. He's the one with the business knowledge and resources, so what if this mlm company doesn't work, he can always start another one and start the whole process again. you are the one losing out. If deep in your heart, you have totally no doubts about NTI or the concept of MLM, then good luck to you..... hope you find financial independence..... -
*clap clap*Originally posted by leddy:Sometimes, people like to bluff themselves. Ms Pickly Heat, you are obviously bluffing yourself. The reason alot of ppl have complained and expressed their regrets in joining this company is because there really is something fundamentally flawed about this company or rather about the concept of MLM.
There are many business or companies out there which also been complained about but I've never seen so much with MLMs. It's like everywhere I go, ppl are always complaining about them.
MLM is not your business, neither does it give you a chance to be business man. You are only selling products or recruiting ppl to join you, where the f can u gain any business knowledge or experience? You are no better off from a salesman in Sony Gallery. How much of a businessman does that make you?
Telling you that mlm gives u a chance at business is like talking with my asshole. Have you gained any knowledge of the laws associated with doing business? What about understanding the economy and what about the global economy? Do you know how to read a company's financial statements? Can you develop any level of understanding about the health of the company thru it's financial statements? Do you know where your company stands in terms of the local economy?
At the end of the day, you are just an agent for the company, selling or recruiting and gaining comission from the sales of the products. What is worse is that you probably work as hard or even harder than a salesman in sony gallery, and you dont have a stable income like him. If you spend some effort to learn how businesses and economies work, you will find there are many more creative, interesting and profitable way of doing business. And MLM ultimately only benefit the top guy or the owner of the company. YES the owner of the company... that is his business.... not yours. He's the one with the business knowledge and resources, so what if this mlm company doesn't work, he can always start another one and start the whole process again. you are the one losing out. If deep in your heart, you have totally no doubts about NTI or the concept of MLM, then good luck to you..... hope you find financial independence.....
Well said...well said....
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Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:
Another NTI whiz kid just came out of PSC. A word of advice for you - spend your quality time recruiting MORE people than posting ur comments here. you at least will get more sales there. There were many like you, advocating for NTI religiously, but then in the end registered a new nick and shot nti to kingdom come. go read all the previous posts on nti. Nti DOES NOT represent mlm - the way they operate people already know. Many of us we say based on the facts that occur - ALL nti people are like that. If talking about black sheep, then all of them are.
BUT you already have the mindset that only positive reply comes from NTI agent. It cannot be anyone else.
Isn't it logical that only those who are in the F&B line will know how it works? Likewise for other business.
If you are not in the MLM business or from the company, whatever you post here is only base in your [b]personal judgement!Of course, if we know that whatever post here is untrue, logically we will want to clarify!
Just imagine, if I say that your GF is a flirt just because I FEEL and my IMPRESSION of her is that! Do you think it's fair? Unfair right!
Remember, people will only say about how bad the company is, how they are being trick to join the company. But please, did anyone point a knife at their neck? Afterall, it's THEIR $. Do you think it's easy to trick people $?
Also, there are rules in every business, did they follow the rules? If they didn't earn anything out of it, please ask them what have they done? There's no free lunch in this world.
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u are rite. it's not easy to trick ppl, but there's always ppl who get tricked.Originally posted by Ms Prickly Heat:Remember, people will only say about how bad the company is, how they are being trick to join the company. But please, did anyone point a knife at their neck? Afterall, it's THEIR $. Do you think it's easy to trick people $?
y do you think there are always cases of ppl getting scammed every now and then.
saying nti a scam is maybe an exaggeration, after all they are not breaking any law (at least not tht i am aware of).
but the one thing i despise is their "hard-sell" tactic or watever it's called. -
Obviously u have never read what is called "breaking the law in spirit"Originally posted by sampanboi:u are rite. it's not easy to trick ppl, but there's always ppl who get tricked.
y do you think there are always cases of ppl getting scammed every now and then.
saying nti a scam is maybe an exaggeration, after all they are not breaking any law (at least not tht i am aware of).
but the one thing i despise is their "hard-sell" tactic or watever it's called.
Altho upfront they are legal having products to sell, they are illegal in the sense, up till now, unlike even AMH, they focus very little on products.
Lots of emphasis on the so called investment opportunity which requires people to throw in money into the pool, and the effort in recruiting people mainly to do such thing.
This was what s888.com was charged with. CAD said they didnt break the law technically, what the franchising system over emphasised was on recruitment, thus making it pyramid like, hence they were said to be breaking the law in spirit, but not to the letter.
Another aspect is their tight fisted policy on refunds. Virtually everyone has very little chances of getting refunds, altho provisions for cooling off period has been stated clearly in the MLM Act. -
now tht u mention it, makes sense
i agree with u on tht
the products is more or less just a facade.
when i was there they emphasise more on "providing opportunity for the young," "learn biz in a sheltered environment," blablabla..
they seem to be using tht as a selling point, and it's working quite well i must say, especially on the vulnarable young adults like myself...
then once they're in, they'll be "trapped" and will have to drag more ppl in if they wan to earn back their money... -
Originally posted by leddy:MLM is not your business, neither does it give you a chance to be business man. You are only selling products or recruiting ppl to join you, where the f can u gain any business knowledge or experience? You are no better off from a salesman in Sony Gallery. How much of a businessman does that make you?
Telling you that mlm gives u a chance at business is like talking with my asshole. Have you gained any knowledge of the laws associated with doing business? What about understanding the economy and what about the global economy? Do you know how to read a company's financial statements? Can you develop any level of understanding about the health of the company thru it's financial statements? Do you know where your company stands in terms of the local economy? Do you know how to valuate your company? What are the risks your company is exposed in terms of long-term debts? How vulnerable is it to a recession? Does it have any durable competitive advantage? If you are the owner of ur business, you should at least know a little of what I've mentioned. Only an employee need not necessary to know about such things.
At the end of the day, you are just an agent for the company, selling or recruiting and gaining comission from the sales of the products. What is worse is that you probably work as hard or even harder than a salesman in sony gallery, and you dont have a stable income like him. If you spend some effort to learn how businesses and economies work, you will find there are many more creative, interesting and profitable way of doing business. And MLM ultimately only benefit the top guy or the owner of the company. YES the owner of the company... that is his business.... not yours. He's the one with the business knowledge and resources, so what if this mlm company doesn't work, he can always start another one and start the whole process again. you are the one losing out. If deep in your heart, you have totally no doubts about NTI or the concept of MLM, then good luck to you..... hope you find financial independence.....
...straight onto the dot...that's the whole prob and crapz with NTI. They didn't tell me about their products nor do they show any intention to tell. They talk about how you can become rich, and how they are expanding, but they cite no figures to substantiate. Looking at their financial statements and balance sheets are definitely out of question. All they want to do is to charm their way to capture your heart and your money, just like how a guy could do to a gal to bed, even when he could be a jerk afterall. I can't believe how they have the cheek to suggest that I put >$1k into them(when they obviously knew I'm an NSF), when I know nothing about their company nor their products, besides their 'great' compensation plan, and all the sweet but shallow talks.
It makes totally no business sense. No real businessmen in his right mind would put his money into a company when he doesn't even understand the products they sell, how much sales are they making, their financial health, their prospects, their future plans, etc, besides shallow and crude knowledge such as 'you have to take risk to reap rewards', blah blah blah
"Never invest in a business you cannot understand."
"It is optimism that is the enemy of the rational buyer."
"The ability to say "no" is a tremendous advantage for an investor."
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I'm friend of YSLYSL. He been busy. Anything can email to his address directly, and not down here. He only do reply in his personal email.Originally posted by antking:Yslysl, u seem to know a lot abt mlm, how about Amway, please tell us more.
Ok, Amway had been around for many years, and many think that Amway is the Grandfather of MLM which in fact is not true. There is another company which started much early than Amway. In total, Amway is not a bad company. They have open the China market with a very grand office. But by getting into, you need to have a passion on some of their products. -
So far i see that MLM is a bad industry as a lot of u say the top earns the most.. haiz... maybe i should look for other companies? Or is there another way to generate a 2nd source of income?
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Those who say that ONLY the TOP earn the most is wrong. In actualy fact, as what I know, YSLYSL was a pioneer in one of the Top MLM Company, however, some of his downlines earn more than him.Originally posted by Cazz:So far i see that MLM is a bad industry as a lot of u say the top earns the most.. haiz... maybe i should look for other companies? Or is there another way to generate a 2nd source of income? -
Sometimes, long post doesn't answer your questions. Many time a short reply is enough, enough to answer the main objective.
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Originally posted by Neutrend:
PRECISELY! I LOVE WAT U SAID! GO READ '' HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE'' !
Sometimes, long post doesn't answer your questions. Many time a short reply is enough, enough to answer the main objective.
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~ SPECIALLY FOR Laurence82 AND THE OBVIOUS 1~ -
Pls don't damage that book! is a very good book to apply the things u learn in anything where humans are around! Best book to be ready for the work society!
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EXACTLY! Pls go read '' HOW TO WIN FREINDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE''!Originally posted by mlmsupporter:Pls don't damage that book! is a very good book to apply the things u learn in anything where humans are around! Best book to be ready for the work society!
~SPECIALLY FOR LAURENCE82 AND NEUTREND~ -
Ok, thank you... haha beside that do you have anymore to say? by the way, nti is really not a business, a business like they say, it has freedom in term of time and working style. here don't have. still in nti there is boss, huh you will feel wtf? i thought i started this business i am my own boss but why still got boss and i have to greet them like a dog? ok well becasue this is not a business. ok, see, they like to call you guys go down frequently and say "this is a very important meeting" everyday. since everyday it is important, whats is the important so important? everyday important, it will end up just like a normal day
and nti indeed is not a mlm they call it the ilm (infinately level marketing) they are acting like a 3 year old kids and treating you guys like a three year old kid
"if nti really have no payout limit will it go bankrupt? will lar! if a company will go backrupt will you join? no lar!"
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PLS READ '' HOW TO WIN FREINDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE''!Originally posted by Neutrend:Ok, thank you... haha beside that do you have anymore to say? by the way, nti is really not a business, a business like they say, it has freedom in term of time and working style. here don't have. still in nti there is boss, huh you will feel wtf? i thought i started this business i am my own boss but why still got boss and i have to greet them like a dog? ok well becasue this is not a business. ok, see, they like to call you guys go down frequently and say "this is a very important meeting" everyday. since everyday it is important, whats is the important so important? everyday important, it will end up just like a normal day
and nti indeed is not a mlm they call it the ilm (infinately level marketing) they are acting like a 3 year old kids and treating you guys like a three year old kid
"if nti really have no payout limit will it go bankrupt? will lar! if a company will go backrupt will you join? no lar!"
Don't join... how is this? sounds familiar? -
Ekk, i get it now... you are some publisher from dunno what company, you are trying to sell your books right? nope sorry i am not interested, maybe you can try selling in ebay or amazon.com, here is no place for you...
Here is a dangerous place! whahaha
I think next time you should repharse and say "GO BUY 'HOW TO WIN FREINDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE'" i think it will be more presuadsive. salesman do until this kind of standard.. wha! it is really amazing, just look like some desperate people wanted to get their books promoted.
GOOD LUCK