Heard of Enyouth?
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This is the kind of mentality of singaporeans, we are smart enough to know some things are wrong, but we could do little to stop it or change things, therefore we have developed this whiny, complaining attitude. I think largely is becoz of the way our society works, we are heavily regulated. Just to lodge a complain, we have to make so much effort and go thru so much channels. We dont have the privilage of employing lawyers that allow us not to pay unless they win the case. This is of coz a simplified example. There's pros and cons to the way our society works. but it certainly has developed our kind of attitude, complain complain and more complain
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Then I feel, what the point? We have to change ourself, as we are responisble for our own life...Originally posted by leddy:This is the kind of mentality of singaporeans, we are smart enough to know some things are wrong, but we could do little to stop it or change things, therefore we have developed this whiny, complaining attitude. I think largely is becoz of the way our society works, we are heavily regulated. Just to lodge a complain, we have to make so much effort and go thru so much channels. We dont have the privilage of employing lawyers that allow us not to pay unless they win the case. This is of coz a simplified example. There's pros and cons to the way our society works. but it certainly has developed our kind of attitude, complain complain and more complain
Is heading down to Commercial Affair such a difficult thing? That work! I have seen before, just like how they work on SkyBiz... -
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hi guys, I think the reason why we participate is because many people just want to voice out our opinions. this is a free forum after all. well i think that if things are so easily solved by going to the authorities why are there certain companies still out there in operation? this is a place where they can view the general opinion abt certain companies and judge for themselves. also for people who have doubts abt what they are doing so they can approach people like you for advice what
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ysl,
going to the authorities cannot solve everything. It's like we know using exotic animal fur products is environmentally unfriendly and threatening the existence of these already endangered creatures. As long as ppl want to buy such products, proaching continues whether or not it is illegal to do so.
If more ppl understand the detrimental effects that MLM companies bring, ppl will be resistant in joining them, without ppl joining them, these companies cannot survive, and thus their numbers could be reduced. I understand that as long as they are ppl who desires to get rich quick, such companies will exist. but as long as we can create an awareness, share our knowledge and educate ppl bout it, ppl will be able to make an informed decision. It is this awareness we are trying to create here.
Not that mlm cannot make u rich but alot of ppl enter without making an educated decision, and therefore went in blindly and got burnt which is why they are here to vent their frustrations and share. Creating an awareness for ppl is infact more effective than going to authorities and expecting them to solve the problem for u. -
I will go check it out. It's Enyouth right?? No longer AMH liao hor?? So i jus find the full name of Enyouth and name of the co. which did the certification.Originally posted by HENG@:dun mind me clarify a bit. can i have amh's full company name and the name of the co. which did the certification? thanx. -
Yo, Can tell me more about it??? Cos the SDMs brag that car fund will be between 1000- 2000. DM share is 500 - 1000 and SDM share is 2000Originally posted by boytoy:no concrete proof unless u join and work all ur way to DM and see the management yourself...
ever wonder y so many SDMs, DMs and pioneers left AMH (ENY Old name)?
i believe those who went to the marketing plan, they will teach u how to get 5 figures pay.... the truth is.. even their SDM dun get close to 5 figures....
alot of things are not stated to newcomers.... car is actually 2nd hand.... car fund 600-800, DM share 300-400..... but I'm sure your fren will say all SDMs get 5 fig pay check... can't blame ur frens there oso... cos they might not know it too...
to be fair to ENY, they pay up on time, u get the stock, u dun need to go the headcount road (purely recruitment)
juz sharing my exp there... -
For those who work in Enyouth before, Please share your experience with us. Especially from those senior ppl.... Actually i also wondering.. Why the company been setup for 6+ years and only got like 10 SDM.
What are the reasons that the ex SDM leave for goods???
Doggy Share more!!!!!!!!!! -
If you think the authorities can't slove the problem, then I can tell you from my point of view - they WORK! I have seen how they crack down on SkyBiz, Gold Coin, etc. First, you really need to report to them, then, they will have their way to get proof. People don't dare to stand out because they think the authorities can't do much. Now, if this company, example A start to have less sale, what they do is always change a name and move to new place, like this, they can always stand in the market for about 3 years.Originally posted by leddy:ysl,
going to the authorities cannot solve everything. It's like we know using exotic animal fur products is environmentally unfriendly and threatening the existence of these already endangered creatures. As long as ppl want to buy such products, proaching continues whether or not it is illegal to do so.
If more ppl understand the detrimental effects that MLM companies bring, ppl will be resistant in joining them, without ppl joining them, these companies cannot survive, and thus their numbers could be reduced. I understand that as long as they are ppl who desires to get rich quick, such companies will exist. but as long as we can create an awareness, share our knowledge and educate ppl bout it, ppl will be able to make an informed decision. It is this awareness we are trying to create here.
Not that mlm cannot make u rich but alot of ppl enter without making an educated decision, and therefore went in blindly and got burnt which is why they are here to vent their frustrations and share. Creating an awareness for ppl is infact more effective than going to authorities and expecting them to solve the problem for u.
I have been in NM for many years - near to 9 years. I have also been burn before, wasted Ten and Ten of thousands of dollars, till the time all my friends and family members nag and say I'm stuipt. I don't have a high formal Edu - only Sec1 and even did not complete it, so, you can see how easy I'm their target. But in my mind, I know NM works. So, beside like just nagging and vex my anger here and there, I started to take action whenever I came across any 'Praymind' company because it is illegal for anyone to get involve with this kind of companines. Also, I learn from Industry expert about true NM.
Is all the hard work that I have walk, till where I am today. And I'm happy to say that now, even if I join any company, all my friends and family will be more than happy and sign under me and work with me because, I no longer just nag, as this will not solve the problems. And the most important is that I have make some very great friends in this industry who are all very successful and very well-known.
So, for everyone down here, you think - Do you just want to nag, or will you really want a success in this trade? Do yuo want to be different from others who just nag or the one who take action? In actual fact, NM is about 100 years history, how many actually know it? The choice is all yours, and I'm just here to help, as I really wish to see more successful networker been born in Singapore, not always only in USA, UK, Japan, etc. -
ok then. astral amg (aka Enyouth now) became very rich from 2000 onwards due to the massive in take of students. A lot of them were gullible china students from polys. The SDM who started this wave, his name is lee boon keat, ntu student who was one of the early pioneers. though low profile, he was featured in the papers and the distributors made use the newspaper article to recruit even more students. I mean, even a graduate will join, what about you? his results in school were pretty good too, it all adds to the tee up. Also, another group under kim leng brought in many ah bengs and lians, forming a beng-lian association
so they have 2 target groups - one is those who want to make good with little education, one is those who have education but wants success in another way.
However, it seems like kim leng was about to run off to Nuskin and he conspired to do it secretly. that was what i heard from the top people. funny thing is lee boon keat was the first to leave before him. his group vanished overnight. then of course AM started (da du zhen - firing poison needles at him) to 'bulletproof' the remaining distributors. then was followed by kim leng. last year, kim leng convinced boon hong and his group to join nuskin. ironic thing was boon hong was no. 1 in whacking kim leng and boon keat for leaving AM but he was the final betrayer
so left max and group and a couple of china girls i believe now. they are apparently still surviving, and many are tricked into thinking that enyouth is a new company
ahhh many details i left out cos got to sleep. but i think that if AM is so good, why would someone like lee boon keat want to leave? he was one of the top (and cleverer) SDMs at that time. also same thing for kim leng (though i know he and boon hong were not happy with each other all the time) and he was 001 at that time. the reasons are very logical and i will reveal them in my next post.
Originally posted by PonderingSoul:For those who work in Enyouth before, Please share your experience with us. Especially from those senior ppl.... Actually i also wondering.. Why the company been setup for 6+ years and only got like 10 SDM.
What are the reasons that the ex SDM leave for goods???
Doggy Share more!!!!!!!!!! -
But can the company allow refund?
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linzhiling u joined mlm for how long?
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There was an internal fight
New branch gonna set up in ClerkQuey
So BoonHong ask Boss Raymond Lim to give Him the Eunos Turf
Raymond said something that isnt so nice to hear
(cant remember but its really not nice)
BH got pissed, they started quarrel.
Anyway you all should know Raymond started the company
But the reason AHM is so successful, isnt because of his innovative ideas
Alot of people (those DM,SDM) fought hard for him
Ofcourse below the feets of these ppl, are the corpes of those who have failed
Anyway back to the topic
Among the DM and SDM, some are BH relatives, or somehow related to BH
So very soon the whole AMH spilt into 2 forces
Obviously if a boss is good, this organization wouldnt be shaken so easily
BH took these ppl and turned to nuskin
The remainding stick to AMH
End of reports, so stop asking why why and why
Nothing wrong with MLM
its the way MLM is conducted by these people
they retort to 'pressurise selling'
The most irritating part of these sales ppl is 'si chan la da'
Amway also an MLM
E-xcel also an MLM
But these 2 sell really good nutrition products (mom eating)
But i hate vitamins products, so always scold my mom for wasting $$
Always tell her "Some people in the past dont eat vitamines, also live till 100 over years old." Lolx..... -
how u know?
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Originally posted by OldAhPek:
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[b]There was an internal fight
New branch gonna set up in ClerkQuey
So BoonHong ask Boss Raymond Lim to give Him the Eunos Turf
Raymond said something that isnt so nice to hear
(cant remember but its really not nice)
BH got pissed, they started quarrel.
Anyway you all should know Raymond started the company
But the reason AHM is so successful, isnt because of his innovative ideas
Alot of people (those DM,SDM) fought hard for him
Ofcourse below the feets of these ppl, are the corpes of those who have failed
Anyway back to the topic
Among the DM and SDM, some are BH relatives, or somehow related to BH
So very soon the whole AMH spilt into 2 forces
Obviously if a boss is good, this organization wouldnt be shaken so easily
BH took these ppl and turned to nuskin
The remainding stick to AMH
End of reports, so stop asking why why and why
Nothing wrong with MLM
its the way MLM is conducted by these people
they retort to 'pressurise selling'
The most irritating part of these sales ppl is 'si chan la da'
Amway also an MLM
E-xcel also an MLM
But these 2 sell really good nutrition products (mom eating)
But i hate vitamins products, so always scold my mom for wasting $$
Always tell her "Some people in the past dont eat vitamines, also live till 100 over years old." Lolx.....
I want to ask OldAhPek. if it is bec BoonHong ask Boss Raymond Lim to give Him the Eunos Turf tat causes the spilt. why would SDM keith tan sold off his car sudd n CA jeff wong sold off his car too n left enyouth this april 05.??? jeff should have left with BH last year to nuskin. whole group of keith group left without joining any MLM company. ans this for me. thanx... -
Originally posted by OldAhPek:
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[b]There was an internal fight
New branch gonna set up in ClerkQuey
So BoonHong ask Boss Raymond Lim to give Him the Eunos Turf
Raymond said something that isnt so nice to hear
(cant remember but its really not nice)
BH got pissed, they started quarrel.
Anyway you all should know Raymond started the company
But the reason AHM is so successful, isnt because of his innovative ideas
Alot of people (those DM,SDM) fought hard for him
Ofcourse below the feets of these ppl, are the corpes of those who have failed
Anyway back to the topic
Among the DM and SDM, some are BH relatives, or somehow related to BH
So very soon the whole AMH spilt into 2 forces
Obviously if a boss is good, this organization wouldnt be shaken so easily
BH took these ppl and turned to nuskin
The remainding stick to AMH
End of reports, so stop asking why why and why
Nothing wrong with MLM
its the way MLM is conducted by these people
they retort to 'pressurise selling'
The most irritating part of these sales ppl is 'si chan la da'
Amway also an MLM
E-xcel also an MLM
But these 2 sell really good nutrition products (mom eating)
But i hate vitamins products, so always scold my mom for wasting $$
Always tell her "Some people in the past dont eat vitamines, also live till 100 over years old." Lolx.....
I want to ask OldAhPek. if it is bec BoonHong ask Boss Raymond Lim to give Him the Eunos Turf tat causes the spilt. why would SDM keith tan sold off his car sudd n CA jeff wong sold off his car too n left enyouth this april 05.??? jeff should have left with BH last year to nuskin. whole group of keith group left without joining any MLM company. ans this for me. thanx... -
nb... u think i detective arh
What i've written is what i know so far
what happened after the big wooha, i got no idea
maybe boss raymond pissed them off too.
who knows
u want to contact TNP and ask ppl to go down for an interview? -
Hi everyone,
just a lil background about how i came to know about enyouth...
I guess i am just one of the fallen "victims". It happened yesterday when i met my friend for a supposedly "catching up" session over dinner. what was painted in mind was a whole lot of ctaching-up to do over dinner at one of the cafes along Clark Q, with the night breeze and all... thats it. Simple as that.
However, the unexpected happens instead.
when i met her, she knows exactly where to eat already.. she was like... hey, let me bring you to a cafe which serves home-cooked food. its really healthy eating and stuffs like that.. so i was thinking.. OK.. why not? so we made our way into a narrow street. Upon entering, i cant help but notice the many expensive and classy cars lined up in proper alignment along the pathways.
I'm just too amused by what i saw... those CARs... in these kinda narrow streets?
Ok.. then nevermind that... she led me into a so called CAfe... and honestly, it didnt appeal to me at all. all i could say was is.... hey... is there a better place than this?...but she was like its healthy eating... so ok... whatever... and we dined.
so, everything was okay... till i realise how interconnected the cafe is to people. i was like... cool... people around seem to know one another. How cool... (only to know that the cafe is somewhat owned by enyouth- thats only after i left the cafe, stepped into the enyouth office... Man, i felt cheated...)
"A" came along and started talking to my friend and i... so i was thinking... such coincidence! so, ok... we all started talking.. but one thing i realise...
A tried to catch my area of interest and from there, zoomed in on whats gonna happen next... perhaps that was what A wanted or have to do in order to help recruit more people.
i tried to ask whats everything about. and all they could give was wait and see. then A continued talking nonstop..
i felt so intimidated because firstly, i have never been into this kind of situation before. Secondly, he goes on and on and on to talk about something which i have absolutely no clue on what the hell is happening. I felt as if i was a lost sheep. Very lost indeed.
Seriously, I feel the approach isnt right.
Right from the beginning, i wasnt even respected. I mean, i have the right to know whats going on. there is no need to beat around the bush.
the whole feeling, or rather, the whole situation is utterly despicable and disgusting, Sorry to say. Really... it puts people off.. at least to me, yes, it did.
then when we reached the office which, doesnt lool like one, A kept talking n talking... and before i knew it, i was shown around, shaking hands with people whom they deemed as respectable, reputable, successful and whatever not.
then i was also told sales is only 30% of the entire thing if i were to join them. The rest are mainly focused in helping oneself to gain experience, expand social networks and all....
But hey.. think of it, isnt sales is like the main aim in order for one to benefit from all the incentives and whatever not given by the company?
i am concerned about whats really going on... i dont know much about enyouth, its background or whatsoever... all i know is that the last thing i ever want is my friend or any other individual to be blinded by the fame and wealth these successful personnels that enyouth has groomed. i just dont want history to repeat itself over and over again-tactics used to lure individuals...
to me, it isnt right at all, right from the start.
To put it bluntly, feelings have been toyed. Friendships are put to a test. There is utterly no respect for the person who has been "tricked" into having dinner, and into the company's premises.
Perhaps my friend has her reasons and perspective into asking me out for dinner. But, i have my own views too. Nonetheless, i value the friendship that stands between us. Though i might feel disgusted about what has happened, i must understand that we are all at a learning stage in enetring the society as adults in a couple of years. So, i bear no grudes against her. Everyone has faults. who does'nt...?
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your situation is like mine. this friend who seldom contact me except when he wants favour like hitch a ride in my car. One day he called me and tok cock, then ask want to meet up or not, go his friend coffeeshop in carpenter street. then i was like what the fuck, go so far some more he and i stay near each other. but nvm since so long never meet up then go lor. I go there liao then i realise it's a scam. sucks lor! ahhaa, of coz i didn't join la.
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i guess so... but what really dissapoint me is that it is actually my buddy... she is the one who met me up... she is the one whom we've been close friends during college days...
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ur friend is probably like my friend, blinded by the promises of riches, just want to hear what is nice and what's not nice. you can only wish ur friend all the best and hope she gains financial independence, which from how i see is damn hard. probably raymond lim will become richer and richer... but not her
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Originally posted by photoshopcs:
I guess people leave various types of vocations for many reasons...not necessarily for totally bad reasons. I mean, in other "normal" jobs, people also jump ship, complain abt welfare, talk bad abt company, dislike their bosses etc.... so i think we shouldn't read too much into this too?
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I want to ask OldAhPek. if it is bec BoonHong ask Boss Raymond Lim to give Him the Eunos Turf tat causes the spilt. why would SDM keith tan sold off his car sudd n CA jeff wong sold off his car too n left enyouth this april 05.??? jeff should have left with BH last year to nuskin. whole group of keith group left without joining any MLM company. ans this for me. thanx... [/b] -
Hi hellodoggy...Originally posted by hellodoggy:ok then. astral amg (aka Enyouth now) became very rich from 2000 onwards due to the massive in take of students. A lot of them were gullible china students from polys. The SDM who started this wave, his name is lee boon keat, ntu student who was one of the early pioneers. though low profile, he was featured in the papers and the distributors made use the newspaper article to recruit even more students. I mean, even a graduate will join, what about you? his results in school were pretty good too, it all adds to the tee up. Also, another group under kim leng brought in many ah bengs and lians, forming a beng-lian association so they have 2 target groups - one is those who want to make good with little education, one is those who have education but wants success in another way.
However, it seems like kim leng was about to run off to Nuskin and he conspired to do it secretly. that was what i heard from the top people. funny thing is lee boon keat was the first to leave before him. his group vanished overnight. then of course AM started (da du zhen - firing poison needles at him) to 'bulletproof' the remaining distributors. then was followed by kim leng. last year, kim leng convinced boon hong and his group to join nuskin. ironic thing was boon hong was no. 1 in whacking kim leng and boon keat for leaving AM but he was the final betrayer
so left max and group and a couple of china girls i believe now. they are apparently still surviving, and many are tricked into thinking that enyouth is a new company
ahhh many details i left out cos got to sleep. but i think that if AM is so good, why would someone like lee boon keat want to leave? he was one of the top (and cleverer) SDMs at that time. also same thing for kim leng (though i know he and boon hong were not happy with each other all the time) and he was 001 at that time. the reasons are very logical and i will reveal them in my next post.
How u know so much ?? u r ex agent from there ..??
SDM Kevin Kong , Eugene also early pioneers from AMH . they also leave AMH with boon keat to join NTI ..
now only left kevin kong 1 of his downline SDM Andrew Tay still in AMH Aka Enyouth . Heard that Andrew doing very well since the days boon hong , alan , ryan ,and his so call new upline Kevin Tan left Enyouth .
Andrew now driving a porche , living in a condo, he the number 001 top guy in Enyouth now .
Max Mok is number 002 . Poor Max
Heard that more things going to happen there soon ..........
Max will leave or Andrew ?? Andrew forces is bigger than Max , Andrew is senior with 2 star ,same as Max .......
Poor Raymond , more headache for u
Will DW joey come back to help Raymond again ????
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really suprised to hear tat max is onli no. 2 in the the company.. tot he will be no.1 after all the sdm have left. joel still in nuskin rite? dun tink he will go bk .....