ASAYO GROUP IS FULL OF CONMEN!!!
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Enough said *smiles* Not going to get into a slugging match with you. But for the part about sweet talking.... since WHEN?! You can go ahead and post whatever you want.Originally posted by Nameless:Haha, aren't you stupid? can't people fake their age? of cos pple will defend their own company, look at the advertisements, they are all saying good about certain things, and here you are.. Don't act as if u r very clever or trying to sweettalk like what others do.. i pity u instead, being in a company yet u don't know that u've been cheated.. poor thing, poor thing..
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yea!! i totally agree with ya, Experienced.
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Dude, I did admit I am from the comapny for starters.Originally posted by Experienced:After reading many messages, I can tell that this Asayo Company is really smart. With all the money they earned earlier, they can easily employ some people to keep an eye on this forum and defend themselves as soon as any message against their interest is posted, and say they are not staffs or supporters of Asayo but just neutral and speak some fair words..... Ha, ha......haven't we learned of these tricks from books or movies ?
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*laughs* I realised that you use the word. "heard", so I assume that isn't a fact which you claim to be so? Another factless claim I suppose..Originally posted by Experienced:Facts and Findings on Asayo:
On the Company and the Boss:
Heard from Japan that this Company is still owing their Japanese supplier, Japan Life a lot of money, in millions SGD !! The Japan cannot do much about it because if Asaya declare bankrupt, they will not get a single cents. Furthermore, their sales in Japan has dropped drastically ever since their top R & D people left them and Japan Life's products now manufactured in China is also a great setback for them. Anyhow, if the boss can get away with owing agents commisiions and stock without being handled by the law or got beaten up, one must say, he is really something. Even the worse criminal has his close friends and supporters, so there is no surprise if there are people who speak for him(the boss).
On the Products and its Pricing:
One reason of their sales drop is because their products are very much over-priced. Their products have been trying to enter the Malaysia market but failed. There are so many other suppliers' products proven to be better and yet much lower in price. Of course, they can defend by saying even kopitiams drink, eg a glass of barley may cost 5 cents the most and yet mark-up for 20 times.
Consumers are no longer stupid. The latest versions of magnetic bed pads that come with BAE and tourmaline fibre are selling for half their prices, naturally, Japan Life will not do well now.
On the agents and customers:
If the agents or customers are unhappy and yet do nothing about it, I must say they are "stupid" themselves. Why don't they take their evidence and go to the police ? If there is no evidence like statements or credit notes, why did these people still pay them or work for them ? I heard they recruit mostly young people who are naive, just like DW and these people normally can be easily sweet-talked and forget it fast.
Conclusion:
a) Someone take some evidence and report to the police or Ministry and complain on them;
b) More effective will be through the papers like the DW case recently;
c) Someone get some people to beat him up, unlikely in Singapore,
d) Everyone should tell all their friends about this Company, their attitute, product and practice so that they close faster and less people will get hurt in future. This will be the most effective method, just like network marketing.
Regarding the BAE beds? Are you talking about those sold at Mustapha? I have seen their beds, true, they are made of tomaline fibre, but there ain't any magnets in them!
Another baseless fact is you claim that our company hires kids to work for us like DW. I can assure you that you are very and gravely wrong. You will never be able to find a 16 year old kid in our company. The youngest we have would be at 19 for girls.
I realised that you keep using the words "I HEARD". so if thats what you heard why do you still put the title facts and findings? Don't you think you are misleading people? *smiles* For a fact, Asayo has been around for 14 years! If there is really something wrong with our company, I think we don't need you to tell us what to do. *smiles* Why don't you try reporting our company to the newspapers? Instead of telling people what to do? Unless........ *laughs* you and everyone knows what I mean.
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Originally posted by Experienced:Facts and Findings on Asayo:
On the Company and the Boss:
Heard from Japan that this Company is still owing their Japanese supplier, Japan Life a lot of money, in millions SGD !! The Japan cannot do much about it because if Asaya declare bankrupt, they will not get a single cents. Furthermore, their sales in Japan has dropped drastically ever since their top R & D people left them and Japan Life's products now manufactured in China is also a great setback for them. Anyhow, if the boss can get away with owing agents commisiions and stock without being handled by the law or got beaten up, one must say, he is really something. Even the worse criminal has his close friends and supporters, so there is no surprise if there are people who speak for him(the boss).
On the Products and its Pricing:
One reason of their sales drop is because their products are very much over-priced. Their products have been trying to enter the Malaysia market but failed. There are so many other suppliers' products proven to be better and yet much lower in price. Of course, they can defend by saying even kopitiams drink, eg a glass of barley may cost 5 cents the most and yet mark-up for 20 times.
Consumers are no longer stupid. The latest versions of magnetic bed pads that come with BAE and tourmaline fibre are selling for half their prices, naturally, Japan Life will not do well now.
On the agents and customers:
If the agents or customers are unhappy and yet do nothing about it, I must say they are "stupid" themselves. Why don't they take their evidence and go to the police ? If there is no evidence like statements or credit notes, why did these people still pay them or work for them ? I heard they recruit mostly young people who are naive, just like DW and these people normally can be easily sweet-talked and forget it fast.
Conclusion:
a) Someone take some evidence and report to the police or Ministry and complain on them;
b) More effective will be through the papers like the DW case recently;
c) Someone get some people to beat him up, unlikely in Singapore,
d) Everyone should tell all their friends about this Company, their attitute, product and practice so that they close faster and less people will get hurt in future. This will be the most effective method, just like network marketing. -
First of all, I did not attack your personally, question or pre-judge your character. All I asked were questions relating to Asayo. Therefore, for you to claim that I'm living in my own world is uncalled for. Why do you think I'm interested to get into a SLAGGING (not slugging) match with you?Originally posted by Jem05:Seriously, I do not wish to get into a slugging match with you. *smiles* But I would like to make things clear, I did not SAY that Asayo has not taken any action, we actually did, but is there a need to publicise this? Sometimes, I do think your questions are very indepth but sometimes I do think that you are living in your 'own' world. You do make everything sound so simple. "Just report it to the CAD." you say, what makes you think that we haven't. Even if we had, how would you know?
I think you haven't got our predicament right, when I said NO DOWNPAYMENT INSTALLMENTS, it meant that these people are actually fighting for positions, they would record the sales and just pay for the first installment. But in actual fact, there is never this sale in the first place. That is how Asayo suffered losses.
Another thing is when you sue a person, the best return would be collecting your damages. Am I right to say that? Somehow for a fact, we do know that the people do not have the money. What is the point of sueing until the person goes to jail, no one and I mean NO ONE benefits from this?
The idea of reporting this fraud to the CAD is to bring them to justice. So, can you clarify once and for all if Asayo ever reported it to the CAD? Do you know this information first hand or did you hear it from your team manager?And your point about agents pulling off the same trick? Duh! Of course the comapny has taken measures to curb some rubbish from happening. There isn't any no downpayment installments anymore, installment goods must have at least a deposit before there is any follow up action.
So you are saying that there are still installment purchases but there's no need for any downpayment? Isn't a deposit the same as a downpayment??And the part about Asayo making promises after promises. Did Asayo promise you anything? How do you know that there are many people angry? You say Asayo owes your relatives goods, I feel any Tom, Dick or Harry can just post this question to tarnish our name. To put it bluntly, I have this huge suspicion that you are from a rival company who wants to do more damage to Asayo. Your credibility is so different from Zabel, at least he can name me the agent who sold the goods. But you? You just keep harping on the fact that Asayo owes you goods. Well I can say that too. *smiles*
It was my relatives and close family friends that bought from Asayo. They made FULL PAYMENT for their goods and Asayo have not delivered in full for months. I am here to voice their concerns as they do not access the internet. Yes, Asayo promised them that their goods will be delivered several times but failed on every ocassion. They are all discussing what their next cause of action (legal, etc...) will be. I do not need to worry about my credibility here. It's Asayo that's worried about their credibility now. If not, all these won't exist. I also do not have to name names here. You know for a fact that Asayo still owes its customers goods and also their sales staff their commission. Is this right?
And no, I'm not from a rival company. I do not think that this bio-magnetic therapy stuff is worth its high costs in the first place.Why do I say this? When I asked you how you know that Asayo has a coffeeshop under the office, no reply about that. When I asked you for your cousin's name, no reply about that. Prove me wrong if you can, I will do my best to check it out for you.
I have Asayo's address and it's not difficult to find it. It's located opposite the IRA office in Novena and you can see it from the main road. The office is right above a pub and a coffeeshop. So what's so surprising about me knowing that?? Anyone who passes by that road can notice that.
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Guys Guys,
When I don't reply fast, you guys ask what happened to the loyal supprters of Asayo. But when I do reply fast, you say I am excited!
God! What does it take to please you guys? *sighs* Well, for Experienced, if the company has not offended you in any way, why are you so 'excited' for it to close down. *ponders* Well, maybe I should check out your BAE goods yah? Interesting infact.
As for Nitr0, Well, I can't say much about or should I say I have no idea of your relatives legal procedures. We shall further confirm about that when we do receive anything from your side yah?
I told you guys before, I had no intenetion of posting anything at all in the first place. But I saw one reply which was absolutely absurd which cementedmy place here as a Aunt Agony. But the questions never seem to cease, or should I say most questions are very much repetitive or somewhat similar.
Btw, Nitr0, I like the word slugging rather than slagging *laughs*. You know like, "slug it out?" I maintain my stand, I ain't here to make enemies, I am just here to clairfy some untruths which are really absurd. *smiles* -
Oh! I forgot about Nitr0 questions.
Reagarding reporting those cases, I personally know that action and reports have been carried out to deal with these people.
Secondly, I think you did not really understand the scenerio. You are right that deposit and downpayments are the same. In the past, there is such a thing as No DOWNPAYMENT/DEPOSIT installments. But to curb with the previous problems, we decided to to implement a downpayment based installments system. No action will be taken if we do not receive the downpayment.
Regarding your cousin's case, I am sure he understands our company's system very well. I think you should go ask him for further details actually. *smiles*
Well Nitr0, I hope I have answered your questions. I did not know why I was kind of worked up in my previous replies, maybe I thought you were just trying to pick an arguement. Nevermind about that. *smiles*
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hey man.. relax!
i think we should stop critising asayo.
asayo is declining...whats the point to argue?
i think we should focus on more important thing and not asayo.
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Oh Richard Chong is still there.......one of the better salesman there...I knew him.....he is a nice guy...if he still cannot settle the refund for you, it may not be his fault....most likely its the company's fault.Originally posted by Zabel:quote]I hope for your understanding and your uncle has received his refund, I suppose the matter has been settled? No point pulling out such settled matters anymore right? [/quote]
I wish it was settled but the truth is, it's yet to be settled!
I wish that Richard Chong guy will settle the refund soon since Jack Soh had resigned![/quote]
Jack Soh resigned?? surprise surprise....a very dedicated and motivated agent, always full of drive....always used to say that he quitted his regular SAF job to join Asayo....but in the end still left....guessed he may not have fill his pockets after so many years with Asayo....
agents out there........ask yourself after a few months....what is happening to your wallet/purses?? why aren't they growing at all?? maybe starting off a business will not earn you much but please give yourself some time to call it quits if you are not earning. Dun keep to that belief that they instill in you that you must persist on. Jack Soh persisted but after so long still resigned. If anyone has drive it is Jack.....wondered if he left cos he had made his millions from Asayo....a dream of most agents in the company......
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Aiyoh i quoted sumtin but forgot 2 write my comments. Anyway, wat i'm gonna say is for any networking company in general; i not pointing fingers @ Asayo. If u r the customer and u feel that u have been patient enuf wth the company's excuses of why the products u order are yet to be given to you(though u made full payment oredi), etc, please just go make a report to the relevant authorities. Please dont keep thinkin "Oh the agent whom i ordered thru is my niece/nephew/etc lah, nevermindlah, i'll wait a bit more. Why would my relative want 2 cheat me?"
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Erm.... Actually Richard Chong is our accounts clerk. *smiles* I don't know, maybe there was another Richard Chong in the past, but the current Richard Chong does accounting for us at the moment......... Jack Soh was also in our admin department in the past. Maybe they also do sales in the past I guessOriginally posted by Toto-4D:Oh Richard Chong is still there.......one of the better salesman there...I knew him.....he is a nice guy...if he still cannot settle the refund for you, it may not be his fault....most likely its the company's fault.
Jack Soh resigned?? surprise surprise....a very dedicated and motivated agent, always full of drive....always used to say that he quitted his regular SAF job to join Asayo....but in the end still left....guessed he may not have fill his pockets after so many years with Asayo....
agents out there........ask yourself after a few months....what is happening to your wallet/purses?? why aren't they growing at all?? maybe starting off a business will not earn you much but please give yourself some time to call it quits if you are not earning. Dun keep to that belief that they instill in you that you must persist on. Jack Soh persisted but after so long still resigned. If anyone has drive it is Jack.....wondered if he left cos he had made his millions from Asayo....a dream of most agents in the company......
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lol... so many twist and turn suddenly..
so who is speaking the truth??
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No need to say more......sooner or later people inside there will regret ever joining that company....and will feel so naive to have believe what they say, stayed on with them and promoting the company.
Most who left all feel that way.........no one ever left that company a happy person, but after they left, they are a happier person.
should hand it to the speakers and brainwashing inside.....you may not agree its brainwashing but after you leave the company...you will understand the basic fact that you were brqinwashed and do not believe what people in the past have told and warn you about Asayo!!
Sales executives/ ASMs and SMs....carry on dreaming about making it big....one day your dream will burst so bad that you wonder if you can go back time and relive your life again............but again its not your fault, its Asayo's fault........
to all anti-Asayo forumers, we shouldn't say much against them anymore. Asayo will use this to their advantage.....they will tell the agents that on the way to success, many people will not share their thinking as most people do not have the thinking of a entrepreneur...only the lesser % of people have. So they will tell them to ignore those who tell them "bad" things which will hamper their route to success.......
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Asayo Simply Juz Rox! Dunno why
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I was an ex-Asayo employee...and they totally screwed my life up...At one point of time I was 101% behind them...But all those in Asayo are liars..They give you false hopes and dreams..They use psychology on you...Guys please listen to me....Call it quits before you regret what you've done...
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seem like the company betray them.
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I guess many companies are like that too. Instead of really training them, they only give false hopes and dreams. Education is an important thing for long term no matter where are you, in job, biz or MLM.
Yet sometimes the problem lay with the person and not the company.
Until the person is clear and look from a wider prespective, it's hard to tell them to look at your angle.