ASAYO GROUP IS FULL OF CONMEN!!!
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Serious?Originally posted by Appie:anione know Asayo & Venture ERA related ? -
they are not related.
seem like appie is out to try and tarnish another company name without any facts and logic...
by the way, it is a very CHEAP and EASY way to tarnish another company name... -
Does anyone wants to earn money quickly? We can always run a scam, since our dear Mr Policeman (god, still remembers we have that in primary school) is not clamping hard on scams as we would have like.
Contact me at 1900-Laurence
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Originally posted by Appie:anione know Asayo & Venture ERA related ?
ya. i know they both try to sell the same stuff. but what else? -
Been hearing about this company from a few people.
So any latest update on them? Still the same as before or just getting worse? -
Im new here......was bumming around and happedned to see this website......should have seen this long time ago..Originally posted by WJPG:Asayo is on its way back up..They have gone through terrible times before due to people back stabbing the company(just ask the bosses of DW and Astral Mag)and they have gotten up from the shitty experience stronger than ever...What the other forumers say is a load of bull...They know nuts bout asayo...They say that Asayo's product is overpriced...But do they know that in Japan,they are actually selling JapanLife's(Asayo's parent company)products for a higher price than they do in Singapore..If u really wanna find out the truth just ask a Japanese staying in Japan now and ask him what the prices for Japan Life's products are..Don't be surprised... And Asayo still have to pay for shipment and taxes and stuff...Shouldn't the product be much more expensive here than in Japan?But the truth is they are not..I rest my case...
Just like to share some thoughts on this topic. Was with them for a year or so......initially was fascinated with the idea of making money and owning a own biz...this is what they sell to you pple there....
people there do crazy things......like..
morning meeting everyday......sing their company song
go on stage and talk (say to train your guts)
they even have stupid early morning meetings at some secluded places......organised some "shouting" session in the middle of the night.....
wonder the guy who conducted this still there or not......always dress smartly and put on airs.......
one thing i know about the company and this is why my whole team left the company.......they like to encourage people to "buy sales" meaning part with your own money to reach the sales target.....
while working there......work like mad and no money.....mon-sun and go back late every night.......even gf left me after she saw the change in me.....lucky i left and manage to get her back....
The boss is good at spinning rich ideas for the members in there......he have some loyal people working for him.....powerful talkers (only on Asayo but dun think they can hold their views in the real commercial world)......the boss is the only multi millionaire fellow...the followers just follow him and wanna be like him as he have promised them he will make them milliionaires. pity those blinded followers!!
also their products are really marked up a lot.......stocks delay due to Japan's life does not want to continue giving them stocks as the big boss of japan life does not approve of the selling tactics and the marked up % done by the boss of asayo.
true, its like your own business as what the boss will say since he was an ex-insurance agent with GE life long time ago. But this business just cannot take off......they have been talking about expanding since donkey years. largest place they have is at Aliwal street @ beach road. now also closed down.
think for yourself. worked so hard, long hours but not enough pay. at the end of the day you still need your CPF to buy a flat. this is just not the business to be in. cos you depend on the co for stock.
also i invested a lot in it. but I managed to get the refund back after one of my relatives told them that we are bringing them to court.
its a year wasted there.......but a valuable lesson learned. just lead stable life....but if you are the biz type, try other biz but NOT asayo.
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Wah...sooooooooooooo long i never come here....
Well, so wassup wth Asayo ha? Oh by the way did any of u read an article in the newspaper sometime last wk about a gal who wanted 2 quit school just to go fulltime sell biomagnetic products(wth DW company)? I read that her dad asked for help of police, M.O.M and his daughters' teachers to advise the gal but to no avail.
Hmm...seems that DW gives transport and meal allowance. Asayo got such allowance or not? Anyway reading that article was wat prompted me to 'return' 2 dis forum. Hmm, i wonder if the article is a 'wake up' call for investigations to be made regarding such companies? -
Hi Toto4d,
I believe you were from Dolphin Warriors team when you were from Asayo? *smiles*
I do think that you are very backdated, didn't you know that your "beloved" team leader, Mr Joey Tan has gone out to start his own company called the DW group?
I also believe that only your group practices the "BUYING SALES" technique, but please do not confuse your team's ethics to others. Other groups do NOT believe in this technique. Different leaders of course have different ways to so call "motivate" his staff to achieve his own personal goals. So that goes to show what type of techniques your leader used on you. *laughs*
You speak like an "old bird", *laughs* Mr Bruce and Mr Keith are definitely still in Asayo, they are the people who command my greatest respect because of their intergrity and work ethics. If you really know them well, I think you will not be askng this question anyway. *smiles*
No hard feelings, but I think the reason why you are so upset is because of the way you were handled in your team. But please do not stereotype and make sweeping statements. Thanks and regards. -
Does Asayo practise group system such as donkeywarriors and monkeywarriors, coz we gotta couple of dookies with such names here?Originally posted by Jem05:Hi Toto4d,
I believe you were from Dolphin Warriors team when you were from Asayo? *smiles*
I do think that you are very backdated, didn't you know that your "beloved" team leader, Mr Joey Tan has gone out to start his own company called the DW group?
I also believe that only your group practices the "BUYING SALES" technique, but please do not confuse your team's ethics to others. Other groups do NOT believe in this technique. Different leaders of course have different ways to so call "motivate" his staff to achieve his own personal goals. So that goes to show what type of techniques your leader used on you. *laughs*
You speak like an "old bird", *laughs* Mr Bruce and Mr Keith are definitely still in Asayo, they are the people who command my greatest respect because of their intergrity and work ethics. If you really know them well, I think you will not be askng this question anyway. *smiles*
No hard feelings, but I think the reason why you are so upset is because of the way you were handled in your team. But please do not stereotype and make sweeping statements. Thanks and regards. -
Hi Laurence,Originally posted by laurence82:Does Asayo practise group system such as donkeywarriors and monkeywarriors, coz we gotta couple of dookies with such names here?
In case you didn't realise DW stands for Dolphin Warriors. They just brought the name over to start a company thats all. *laughs*
I am happy to say that Asayo does not have any monkeys or donkeys at all. I have seen their sarcastic remarks towards you and I am glad i wasn't at the receiving end because there would be no end of their nonsense. *grinz*
I wish I can change the title of the subject, because for a fact I do know that Asayo is not full of conmen. My Boss is an upright man but many people do take advantage of his kindness which resulted in such a scenerio today. Is there any way i can do that? -
HiOriginally posted by Jem05:Hi Laurence,
In case you didn't realise DW stands for Dolphin Warriors. They just brought the name over to start a company thats all. *laughs*
I am happy to say that Asayo does not have any monkeys or donkeys at all. I have seen their sarcastic remarks towards you and I am glad i wasn't at the receiving end because there would be no end of their nonsense. *grinz*
I wish I can change the title of the subject, because for a fact I do know that Asayo is not full of conmen. My Boss is an upright man but many people do take advantage of his kindness which resulted in such a scenerio today. Is there any way i can do that?
I suggest you put up a thread on why you think Asayo is good after all. Argue your points, but then again, there are also many people disatisfied with Asayo (i have friends among them), so be prepared to have fellow forumnites coming up to challenge you. Even if people flame, at least you know you got good points. Flaming as you can see, doesnt matter to me already, coz for ntiparis thread, many put up many revealing info, so no matter how the Animal Farm tries to flame, they lose, coz their posts are childish, and without points.
Hmm *rubs chin*, so DW stand for Dolphin Warriors all along. So DW boss is a defractor from Asayo? Heard AMH boss is also from Asayo, from other threads, and VE is from AMH, kinda connected isnt it? My opinion is that either they are disatisfied with the former company, or they see the lucrative profits they can make in this.
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thanks for youe update.Originally posted by Jem05:Hi Toto4d,
I believe you were from Dolphin Warriors team when you were from Asayo? *smiles*
I do think that you are very backdated, didn't you know that your "beloved" team leader, Mr Joey Tan has gone out to start his own company called the DW group?
I also believe that only your group practices the "BUYING SALES" technique, but please do not confuse your team's ethics to others. Other groups do NOT believe in this technique. Different leaders of course have different ways to so call "motivate" his staff to achieve his own personal goals. So that goes to show what type of techniques your leader used on you. *laughs*
You speak like an "old bird", *laughs* Mr Bruce and Mr Keith are definitely still in Asayo, they are the people who command my greatest respect because of their intergrity and work ethics. If you really know them well, I think you will not be askng this question anyway. *smiles*
No hard feelings, but I think the reason why you are so upset is because of the way you were handled in your team. But please do not stereotype and make sweeping statements. Thanks and regards.
Once I left I wanted nothing to do with the company. Anyway Joey's not my beloved team leader.
I am not making a sweeping statement to all the people there. I do know Keith and Bruce. I do respect respect them too. On the whole they are nice people.
Being "manhandled" in the team is one thing. Another thing is the company. How do you explain the delaying n owing of stocks? anyway I already have in mind what your standard answer would be
I just sharing my thoughts. You can perservere there and make it big. They have been around for so long.....so many past good leaders whom I think DEFINITELY will gain your respect just like Bruce n Keith have left the place........
ask yourself......if Bruce n Keith who have been so long in the company and have not made it there yet.......when will it be your turn?
just speaking from a past member view, make sure you dun look back and regret the time you spend at Asayo. the empty CPF accounts and the time wasted there.......I know you will have things to counter this.........its what they taught you people there.......to be positive in your thinking.........dun get negative.........
Its a good practice I know....but just use it at the appropriate time and environment.
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That's what everyone think...........I used to think that Raymond is an upright man.......he's unscrupulous in the way he do business......marked-up the price of the products by a unreasonable high percentage........Originally posted by Jem05:Hi Laurence,
In case you didn't realise DW stands for Dolphin Warriors. They just brought the name over to start a company thats all. *laughs*
I am happy to say that Asayo does not have any monkeys or donkeys at all. I have seen their sarcastic remarks towards you and I am glad i wasn't at the receiving end because there would be no end of their nonsense. *grinz*
I wish I can change the title of the subject, because for a fact I do know that Asayo is not full of conmen. My Boss is an upright man but many people do take advantage of his kindness which resulted in such a scenerio today. Is there any way i can do that?
He's also very superstitious. If he is an upright man, I don't see why so many of his right-hand men in the past left him and I not talking abt Keith.......there are others......
The boss gets richer as he earns from the hard work from his employees/slaves.......and the staff just earns so little from the expensive products that does not sell by themselves.
Your boss is a scheming person......but the normal employee cannot tell.....only those who have worked close to him as past management knows.....
For those top management who stayed on.....I could only say.....they have fallen too deep to unroot themselves from the boss......just like the way the new people cannot think clearly and is always thinking that those who care for them do not want them to succeed...which in actual fact its not true.....those who care wants to help them from falling deeper.......
Well I am not discouraging anyone from joining or leaving......you can join if you want, you can stay in there if you want, you can think of getting rich if you want......but at the end of the day....just dun looked back and say no one reminded and tried to help you......
take a step back and look at other sales people doing other sales......look at their remuneration.....look at their environment.....talk to some friends/ relatives in business....ask them how the company is run....the pay/commission structure...be objective, dun get personal.....hear them out and see for yourself what a mess you are getting into....not to mention hot soup!!! -
Dear Toto4d,Originally posted by Toto-4D:That's what everyone think...........I used to think that Raymond is an upright man.......he's unscrupulous in the way he do business......marked-up the price of the products by a unreasonable high percentage........
He's also very superstitious. If he is an upright man, I don't see why so many of his right-hand men in the past left him and I not talking abt Keith.......there are others......
The boss gets richer as he earns from the hard work from his employees/slaves.......and the staff just earns so little from the expensive products that does not sell by themselves.
Your boss is a scheming person......but the normal employee cannot tell.....only those who have worked close to him as past management knows.....
For those top management who stayed on.....I could only say.....they have fallen too deep to unroot themselves from the boss......just like the way the new people cannot think clearly and is always thinking that those who care for them do not want them to succeed...which in actual fact its not true.....those who care wants to help them from falling deeper.......
Well I am not discouraging anyone from joining or leaving......you can join if you want, you can stay in there if you want, you can think of getting rich if you want......but at the end of the day....just dun looked back and say no one reminded and tried to help you......
take a step back and look at other sales people doing other sales......look at their remuneration.....look at their environment.....talk to some friends/ relatives in business....ask them how the company is run....the pay/commission structure...be objective, dun get personal.....hear them out and see for yourself what a mess you are getting into....not to mention hot soup!!!
I can't help laughing when I saw your reply. You really do sound like a disgruntled employee. No worries, I have done my research and analysis before I decided to join Asayo. I was "invited" to Astramag before going to Asayo once, but I refused to join tjhem because of their "buying sales" technique. Regarding the increase in prices, do you know that a can of coke actually cost 10 cents to 20 cents? How much do you actually pay for when you buy it in the coffee shops? 1 dollar? Isn't that a 1000% increase? I think no one bothers because the drink cost peanuts. By comparing the market value of oour goods to the other marketing firms, I believe that the quality and price of ours are second to none actually. Take a look around, you will see what I mean. *smiles*
I do feel that you are very biase in your claims about Mr Raymond, because your claims has no basis at all. *smiles* Do you mean to say that being superstitious makes a person bad? I think many will agree that this claim is kind of dumb? As for being upright, in what ways do you think that Mr Raymond is not? He could have easily solved the goods problem by introducing low quality goods like some marketing firms around, but he refused. Doesn't that show his intergrity? I would like to add that being upright doesn't mean that your men will not leave you. Didn't it strike you that his right hand men might not share his values? They could have left because they are unwilling to face the problems together with him? They want to live a more relax life with other companies? They feel that defection is best way to save their own skins? *smiles*
As for your claim that the boss gets richer while his employees slog. Isn't that the case for ALL companies? Have you seen any bosses in the insurance line running for sales? Do you see Bill Gates designing software now? *laughs* But I am certain that you don't know the amount of stress and pressure that he is facing. In the past when there were stock problems, who do you think is the one sweating his guts out to produce the goods for his employees to pass to their customers. It is of course him, it's his companny for God's sake! Frankly I do feel that from your comments, you are a person who only thinks in your own perspective. As a former employee of Asayo, I thought you would have more in you to analyse and differeniate the rights and wrongs, instead of pushing all the blame to Boss and the company.
As for sinking deeper, I know what you mean. I have many telling me about the difficulties of the job but never have i thought that they do not want me to succeed, no one n the company has ever told me this anyway. I think only your Dolphin Warriors team practice such an analogy. *laughs*
Toto4d, I will take a step back and analyse the situation now, but I also do hope that you can take a step back and analyse the past. Is it right to pass such comments and defaming the person who has been so kind? I hope that you do not stereotype everyone just because of the way you were handled in Dolphin Warriors. It doen't make much sense. *smiles*
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cool down. all are selling the same products~!!
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Keke, read jemo05 points, although I can't comment on the situations in Asayo, coz I have not encountered them yet, the points jemo05 made on the pricing of products, and 'boss of all companies earning from customers' mirrors my sentiments.Originally posted by Alex Wong:cool down. all are selling the same products~!!
As people speaks agains direct selling, Bill Gates and Sim Wong Hoo are laughing all the way to the bank, and no one is complaining. A complete package of Windows XP cost $999 on my last visit to Sim Lim, making people resorting to pirated version of XP.
a) People dont complain much about overpricing in retail stores, lest checking their effectiveness or quality. 5 people (if i am not wrong) died from smoking Centuri brand of cigarettes, and its still selling in retail shops.
b) When they do complain about direct selling, equally they engaged in unethical ways, by buying pirated vcds and music cds. Not only is the boss losing money (poor guy deserve his profits coz of his effort in bringing out products we want), the jobs of the people in the music, movie industry are at stake.
c) Why would XP, or even Nomad Jukebox be expensive? The quality, the effort towards inventing and producing them etc etc definitely increase the price of their products. What gave them an edge over other 'similar' products in the market? These factored in on the price of the products. Does adding the term 'MLM' or 'direct selling' mars the goodness of these products. Remember, direct selling is the marketing technique, not the QC of the products. As for the safety and pricing, unethical manufacturing practices and obnoxious pricing are prevalent in a lot of companies, retail or otherwise. The boss of companies that are putting products on the retail shelves are laughing at our stupidity as we speaks against direct seling.
d) The main point I emphasise is will people put in effort to research what they think is right to back their facts? I discussed this with wuming78 at another thread. Misconceptions are prevalent, coz many people will rather put it off. "Criminal!' they will cry, instead of looking it up. No wonder people will write books like "Thing You Thought You Thought You Knew' to put off the silly myths and misconceptions.
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Jem05, does Asayo even bothers about its customers' interest??
My uncle bought 2 pillows from Asayo April last year, and it seems to take ages for the goods to arrive!!
Are you going to tell me that this is common?
Asayo only gave reasons and more reasons to delay the goods when being asked about the goods.
My uncle demanded for a refund after a month of waiting for the goods as he felt something is fishy.
He only managed to get back one pillow's refund around late September last year from this Jack Soh.
This Jack Soh has apparently left the company and the new guy who took over, Richard Chong, issued the next cheque (refund for the second pillow) to my uncle late November last year. Again after numerous calls made to the company.
But it bounced when my uncle went to bank in the cheque!!
And Asayo didn't even bothered to call my uncle to explain the matter!!
I think Asayo owe its customers a hell lot of apologies!! And REFUNDS!!! -
Hi Zabel,Originally posted by Zabel:Jem05, does Asayo even bothers about its customers' interest??
My uncle bought 2 pillows from Asayo April last year, and it seems to take ages for the goods to arrive!!
Are you going to tell me that this is common?
Asayo only gave reasons and more reasons to delay the goods when being asked about the goods.
My uncle demanded for a refund after a month of waiting for the goods as he felt something is fishy.
He only managed to get back one pillow's refund around late September last year from this Jack Soh.
This Jack Soh has apparently left the company and the new guy who took over, Richard Chong, issued the next cheque (refund for the second pillow) to my uncle late November last year. Again after numerous calls made to the company.
But it bounced when my uncle went to bank in the cheque!!
And Asayo didn't even bothered to call my uncle to explain the matter!!
I think Asayo owe its customers a hell lot of apologies!! And REFUNDS!!!
Cool down, I know what and how the customers are feeling. It's true that we owe the customers numerous apologies regarding the delay in stock. I won't deny this fact nor will I try to protect or cover this fact.
But for a fact is we have stopped the importing of pillows since last year. We have instructed all agents to try their best not to sell any pillows since last year. Unless the customer is prepared to wait, then we will order the pillows. As you said, the agent left the company, it's very difficult to track the sales and goods for customers once the agent leaves. That's why it took such a long time.
We know that customers will not be able to understand this fact, that's why we do our best to refund our customers. I can assure you that such matters will not occur ever. *laughs* Wonder when did I become the Aunt Agony of angry customers anyway. I hope for your understanding and your uncle has received his refund, I suppose the matter has been settled? No point pulling out such settled matters anymore right?
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what do u mean by it doesn't matter anymore? it does matter! how can your company give us the assurance that it wont happen again? the customer definitely dont wish to sue the company to court over some products...
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Hi Alex,Originally posted by Alex Wong:what do u mean by it doesn't matter anymore? it does matter! how can your company give us the assurance that it wont happen again? the customer definitely dont wish to sue the company to court over some products...
Maybe I phrased my reply wrongly that you misunderstood my meaning, but I did not say it does not matter anymore right?*laughs*. Please don't misquote me, it can be fatal to a certain extent. What I meant was that the company recognise the mistake and his refund has been given. And how the matter will not arise anymore is how the stock problem has been rectified and the firm instructions given to the employees. It is considered case closed and solved for Zabel's point of view? Isn't it not?
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sigh*Originally posted by Jem05:Hi Alex,
Maybe I phrased my reply wrongly that you misunderstood my meaning, but I did not say it does not matter anymore right?*laughs*. Please don't misquote me, it can be fatal to a certain extent. What I meant was that the company recognise the mistake and his refund has been given. And how the matter will not arise anymore is how the stock problem has been rectified and the firm instructions given to the employees. It is considered case closed and solved for Zabel's point of view? Isn't it not?
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asayo not only own 1 person stock.. but is a hell lot of people out there..... seem like you going to explain non stop. -
*laughs*Originally posted by Alex Wong:sigh*
asayo not only own 1 person stock.. but is a hell lot of people out there..... seem like you going to explain non stop.
Alex, when I came into this forum, I had no intention of posting anything. But there were so much bull and misunderstanding that I registered immediately to try explain matters. but I won't be explaining about the stock matters anymore. Our company had a problem, so now we have to clear the mess, it's only right we do so. *smiles* -
thats true that you are facing internal problems.. you dont have to explain too much..we surely understand.
anyway, public forum is meant for bullshiting.. so you dont have to take my words so seriously. -
this problem have been around for a few years already........along the way it had lost the faith of many customers...and words spread. who would want to buy from a company and get stocks after a long wait......Originally posted by Jem05:*laughs*
Alex, when I came into this forum, I had no intention of posting anything. But there were so much bull and misunderstanding that I registered immediately to try explain matters. but I won't be explaining about the stock matters anymore. Our company had a problem, so now we have to clear the mess, it's only right we do so. *smiles*