THINGS TO SAY TO GET MLM RECRUITERS OFF YOUR BACK
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I have been in Insurance before, my relative is in real estate. It is not only similiar, it is mlm. Tell me which part isnt? I'm not expert but i look at it from another perspective. You guys seemed to closed minded then u don see the big picture. I don have to say how many years of experience i worked. I done many kinds of marketing. Enough of experience for me to say this. I understand more about MLM and business than YOU... go read up more pls...
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Do you think I'll pay interest?Originally posted by Bel:I think lending with compounded interest is no problem to them -
Do you think they will lend?Originally posted by Nelstar:Do you think I'll pay interest? 
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MLM is a godamn marketing and distribution channel, not organisational structure and design...
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this is getting crazy... so many theory on mlm.
aiyah... can earn money can already lah... dont have to talk so much.
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Actually, IMHO, the more accurate term to use is "pyramidal in nature"
a lot of stuff are pyramidal in nature... like every job... the stock market etc...
OK, in a job...maybe you have: 1 CEO
3 General Managers
10 Middle Managers
100 workers
In this simple diagram... can see that the bottom is large,and the top is narrow? just like a pyramid.... and like a pyramid, the top (ceo) gets the most money while the bottom (workers) gets peanuts compared to him...
It's like this; it's a force of nature... an inevitable consequence of capitalism.. where the boss gets the most...similarly, that's how mlm company operates... however, normal jobs are legal because they do have a legitimate service/good to offer, at a reasonable price....(most do)... -
One of the biggest lies that MLMers tell is that all business structures are also MLM.
This lie is designed to confuse people with the most minimum of information, the triangle, so the ignorant end up thinking that MLM is also traditional business. Those who study business and strutures in depth will note significant differences and not be taken in. Unfortunately the majority of the people are still conned by this lie. -
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pray do tell us the difference, o holy one....wahahha -
ai ya wad buissness no pyramid onez.... sure got someone at the top and alot of kechick people down there... still the same pyramid... i belive if wan to join find a company with reputation and see thier company profile 1st... find out how the get thier product and wads thier financial situtation...
mlm my dad tot me to say away from are
1. those that dont produce the raw materials themseves (cos thier prices can go up and down depending on thier supplier)
2. those that owe bank alot of money or nvr pay on time one...
3. those that dont produce thier own goods and got no patents (china everything also can copy if their is no law on it)
4. those that anyhow say easy to make money... dun need to work...
5. those that kenna law suit before
6. those that mus pay a starting fee
other than that my dad's highly recommend that i do it... hahaz... less risk than wad he and my mum did in the past... SHARES PROPERTIES AND BUISNESSES!!!! hahaz help them earn alot but also lose alot... anywayz heard my cus doin some mlm.... bloody idot still in poly final year but bought a brand new bm liaoz... kns... i oso want... but i lz... go out and jio ppl not my cup of tea... sit in office do work or do project ahh that my cup of tea.... -
Below are some important differences:
One of the key differences is that traditional business structure is designed to be fixed and stable while MLM structure must be continuously expanding. One limits its triangle hierachy while another must keep recruiting all the time.
The traditional structure seeks to be profitable through stability in the company but MLM structure must keep growing to be profitable and pay its distributor, yet it is this continuous need to grow that makes it ultimately doom to fail.
Another very important difference is that in the traditional business, it stands and speaks for you, gives you all sorts of benefits and welfare, employs top lawyers and protects you when anything goes wrong, in MLM, you sign the form before you join the company where you clear the MLM company of all charges and release it of all responsibilities should anything go wrong...make you "independent".
You want the MLM company to get a lawyer to protect you? Wait long long...
In traditional business, the management and direct supervisors can limit and control what the sales people do and say, the internal business results is mostly stable and controlable, problems can be managed, sales results can be tested and forcast, etc... a steady brand and quality is slowly built over the years.
In MLM structure, the MLM company has got no say over what the distributors or salespeople do in reality.
Back to the clause of "independence", since they have made you independent, they don't know what the salespeople do outside or how they do the recruitment and sell the products. The whole organisational structure is built on high unpredictability, the larger it expands, the more it becomes risky, uncontrollable and unpredictable as time goes by.
Thats why you keep hearing of MLM companies opening and closing now and then, opening up branches then closing down the old ones, move from places to places, gets suddenly popular now in this month and then in next month gets cursed like nothing by the public and ex-distributors. This is a truth for an MLM company. (Check out this whole MLM forum for example...)
The longer the MLM company has been around, the more the complains and mistrust of the people. When the name is new, people don't trust it well. When the MLM is an old one, people will have somehow heard of increasing disatisfactions and complains with that MLM company. The MLM companies are trapped in between this two opposing sets of issues. -
I'll keep repeating the same lines as many times as the MLMers have been repeating how to get rich fast theory.Originally posted by Bel:Do you think they will lend?
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One of the key differences is that traditional business structure is designed to be fixed and stable while MLM structure must be continuously expanding. One limits its triangle hierachy while another must keep recruiting all the time.
Non MLM company that dont seek growth and expansion? An MLM company that seek continual sales through expanding customers base, not just distributors network. Your statement is quite flawed, and I am sure its just your own personal feelings.
The traditional structure seeks to be profitable through stability in the company but MLM structure must keep growing to be profitable and pay its distributor, yet it is this continuous need to grow that makes it ultimately doom to fail.Another very important difference is that in the traditional business, it stands and speaks for you, gives you all sorts of benefits and welfare, employs top lawyers and protects you when anything goes wrong, in MLM, you sign the form before you join the company where you clear the MLM company of all charges and release it of all responsibilities should anything go wrong...make you "independent".
Wrong again. Customers sue the company and manufacturer if there are products problem, So far, has any agent in SIngapore been sued for selling faulty products? In cases of misrepresentation, any non MLM company would protect their employees? Think again. While the laws of agencies protect any contract in case of misrepresentation, the next minute you would find the employee will be booted out of the company for poor performance. Sad, but true.
You want the MLM company to get a lawyer to protect you? Wait long long...In traditional business, the management and direct supervisors can limit and control what the sales people do and say, the internal business results is mostly stable and controlable, problems can be managed, sales results can be tested and forcast, etc... a steady brand and quality is slowly built over the years.
Its obvious from this point you have never attend any training or hardly observe and match training and sales presentation.
In MLM structure, the MLM company has got no say over what the distributors or salespeople do in reality.Back to the clause of "independence", since they have made you independent, they don't know what the salespeople do outside or how they do the recruitment and sell the products. The whole organisational structure is built on high unpredictability, the larger it expands, the more it becomes risky, uncontrollable and unpredictable as time goes by.
So far, big companies like Amway and Nuskin have not shown this problems.Thats why you keep hearing of MLM companies opening and closing now and then, opening up branches then closing down the old ones, move from places to places, gets suddenly popular now in this month and then in next month gets cursed like nothing by the public and ex-distributors. This is a truth for an MLM company. (Check out this whole MLM forum for example...)
Its true though, but sounds like the kopitiam in sg always open and close due ot low profitability. So, i should not venture into F & B business?
The longer the MLM company has been around, the more the complains and mistrust of the people. When the name is new, people don't trust it well. When the MLM is an old one, people will have somehow heard of increasing disatisfactions and complains with that MLM company. The MLM companies are trapped in between this two opposing sets of issues.
Its not that I want to openly oppose your views, but it still does not state why MLM fails. Period.
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Non MLM company that dont seek growth and expansion? An MLM company that seek continual sales through expanding customers base, not just distributors network. Your statement is quite flawed, and I am sure its just your own personal feelings.
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In non MLM, the phases of running a business can be different, some need to sell off part of their business to scale down, some need to hold off expansion, some need to await restructuring, etc. In MLM, the key direction is almost always expanding all the time. It is not just personal feelings it is just simple real business strategies.
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Wrong again. Customers sue the company and manufacturer if there are products problem, So far, has any agent in SIngapore been sued for selling faulty products? In cases of misrepresentation, any non MLM company would protect their employees? Think again. While the laws of agencies protect any contract in case of misrepresentation, the next minute you would find the employee will be booted out of the company for poor performance. Sad, but true.
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Correct, get booted out is another thing. That is due to poor performance and other incompetencies. But since you work for the company, the company is legally obliged to protect you and give you various benefits. Whether it happens in real life or not is not the purpose of the discussion here. But you tend to find that companies that care for the employees and salespersons, tend to have more loyalty from the people.
In MLM, when customers sue the MLM company. The MLM pushes the responsibility away to the distributer because it is independent and all those clauses. For example, in the urgency to get a sale, the MLMer tells a customer that a facial product will remove all pimples on all skin types within 3 days, and yet after one week the pimple increases. The MLM company will say they don't know what the MLMer says to the customer, and washes its hands. Guess who the customer has to look for?
This is the same as some MLMer who promises new recruits that they will be millionaires in a short time, maybe 3 years or less. By then, if you don't get it, if you sue, you think the MLM company will help that MLMer? Other issues can be wrongful claims, use of lawyers letter to show that they are legitimate, etc, etc...
The key point is, as an MLMer, if you are sued, will the MLM company protect you?
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In traditional business, the management and direct supervisors can limit and control what the sales people do and say, the internal business results is mostly stable and controlable, problems can be managed, sales results can be tested and forcast, etc... a steady brand and quality is slowly built over the years.
In MLM structure, the MLM company has got no say over what the distributors or salespeople do in reality.
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Its obvious from this point you have never attend any training or hardly observe and match training and sales presentation.
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How many of these trainings have you attended yourself?
You might want to read the last sentence of mine again before you assume too much. In reality, in reality do every MLMer behave the same way? The companies can try to make people behave like robots but it is different when it comes to practice.
The MLM company might motivate you and "brainwash" you into full control, then until someone wakes up and realise it is a lot of manipulation. So in reality, which is scarier, to be brainwashed into following exactly what they want you to do or to wake up and realise you have been manipulated?
You have that choice.
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So far, big companies like Amway and Nuskin have not shown this problems.
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Really? So they are fully controllable? No dropouts to replace? In this case, since both are MLM companies, both this companies should by now be the largest companies in the world and the whole world would have signed up with them by now.
It is also quite rare to be able to do MLM well. Both might be the exception than the norm. For every one MLM company that works, there are thousands that does not survive and goes out of business. -
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Thats why you keep hearing of MLM companies opening and closing now and then, opening up branches then closing down the old ones, move from places to places, gets suddenly popular now in this month and then in next month gets cursed like nothing by the public and ex-distributors. This is a truth for an MLM company. (Check out this whole MLM forum for example...)
The longer the MLM company has been around, the more the complains and mistrust of the people. When the name is new, people don't trust it well. When the MLM is an old one, people will have somehow heard of increasing disatisfactions and complains with that MLM company. The MLM companies are trapped in between this two opposing sets of issues.
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Its true though, but sounds like the kopitiam in sg always open and close due ot low profitability. So, i should not venture into F & B business?
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Nope, the rational is not like that. We can also say that trafficking drugs is illegal and has death penalty, then why are there still others who keep doing it?
The point is that no matter what anyone says, MLM type of making money is here to stay, one MLM will die, then someone will start another new one. (sounds familiar?)
For F and B or kopitiam business, the problems they face are different because of the differences in the business models they chose. For example, Food Junction, Kopitam, theirs is slowly build through consolidating the food stalls and marketing over the long number of years, building prominence in the customers' eyes.
However in MLM companies, the set of problems are different. If they don't expand, they die off, if they expand, they get bad publicity and complains, and other problems.
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Its not that I want to openly oppose your views, but it still does not state why MLM fails. Period.
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Correct, If you read again my postings before, I stated at the beginning that my posting is about the differences between traditional business and MLM, it is a discussion on the differences that arise from different biz models, not on why MLM fails.
So if you want indepth info on why MLM fails. Please read elsewhere.
Without going futher tedious discussion, the main reasons why MLM can fail is due to:
Compensation Plan
The fine line between what is pyramid and MLM
Ethics and integrity issue of distributors
Integrity issue of MLM company and management
Real life Economics
The saturation issue
The mathematical reality of recruitment and its comp plan
the unique characteristics of having MLM as a business distribution method
the atmosphere of the MLM company
Product overclaim
Over priced
The constant need to keep buying
The big difference between theory and reality in practice
The over claiming of dreams and all that elusiveness
The overwhelming complains and legal issues
Realising the Lies of MLM
The "waking-up" of the distributors
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Do i look like i need noobz to tell me about MLM?
Btw, noobz should quote properly and do proper paragraphing when replying.
And, before i forgot, NPNT.... -
wow.. looks like there is someone who needs a wake-up call. need to know the truth of MLM because some find it hard to read simple english. sad, sad...
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sigh, when will another timandra come to debate with me, instead of some noobz...
all those who come with yet another yawnz statements after statements already left liao lor, after i challenged them on lack of arguments, instead of piling shiat after shiat.... -
gosh you really very free har.. looking for debates.
Glad you attain your financial freedom and residual income at such a young age.
I don't know about you... as for me, I am not here to debate, just here to state the truth. Nothing to debate.
You have a good life.
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nope
just as i had a good debate debate with teekh the other day, i emphasised to him, and we both agree, that instead of putting statements after statements, as seen clearly in your posts, best if you can substantiate your answers, no point, like many before you, who simply stating lines as if they are facts..
you cant convince anybody, especially after my observations of the mlm industry, and many other, like the aforementioend timandra,teekh, experienced, stormax and many others, who shows better arguments and knowledge, and they are mlmers as well as non mlmers.... -
Like what I have said before, I am not here for a debate. A debate takes too long and too tedious for me. If you want to debate, I am sure there are superb debators here.
I am here just to state the truth of MLM, I am not here to convince people nor to debate. Those who sincerely want to ask maybe I can share a bit but it is really tedious to go into debates. Not my cup of tea.
With whatever I state about MLM, it is the truth. So the statements are the way life works. You can don't bother if you want to.
Those who see will understand, those who cannot then its their own choice.
Me, just tell the truth. Nothing much to debate or convince people.
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Selective perception...cant help you man, you sound like Christian evangelists, who think they are the truth, know the truth...
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Don't we all function via selective perception in a way. Both you and me... you select, I select. Just that I select whatever best represents the truth, researched and proven. I make some statements about it, and that's it. Some will listen and understand, some will not. I am OK with it.Originally posted by laurence82:Selective perception...cant help you man, you sound like Christian evangelists, who think they are the truth, know the truth...
well, too bad....
Don't think I can help you with what you select too... you evangelise for MLM, thats your choice.
You might be looking for a debate, but I am not.
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I like to look at both perspective, instead of saying " What i say is the truth, if you dont believe, you are in your dream world yada yada..."
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Of course, you think I never look at both perspective? I did. But I am not into convincing people. I just state and go. You can always ignore me... I never bother to say you are in a dream world... too tedious for me.Originally posted by laurence82:I like to look at both perspective, instead of saying " What i say is the truth, if you dont believe, you are in your dream world yada yada..."
Anyway, speaking of dream world, perhaps you might want to examine the mechanics of why MLMers are always drawn into the dream world.
You can take this and others to discuss with your debating friends. Enjoy yourself.