City HArvest Church also MLM ?
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okok. anglican is protestant. protestant is christian. so anglican is just a denomination under the christian faith. just like city-harvest is a denomination of its own under the christian faith. u get the picture?Originally posted by weidev:erm... but my comparisons are based on catholic and christians cos my life is like revolve ard these two onli...
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hmm... let's face it... maybe there has been complaints but those have been played down by those many counsellors... since CHC started the reputation has nt been veri gd... personal experience here...Originally posted by harder boy:very true. but amazing he can charm about 10,000 members into giving up their hard earned money to enable him to live in condo and drive sedans, and not one of these 10,000 minds complains or protests...
in one way, this pastor kong indeed is admirable...
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er... so the conclusion is:Originally posted by devoid05:okok. anglican is protestant. protestant is christian. so anglican is just a denomination under the christian faith. just like city-harvest is a denomination of its own under the christian faith. u get the picture?
i'm comparing catholic n christians... nt other faiths.
the head pastor of the church can get money from the church as long as he wants to do it, as long as he is not stopped and as long as there is no evidence to stop him... yea? -
It is the other way round, by enjoining MLM to religion, it is borrowing the emotional frenzy caused by inspirational talks and boo-haa. Nothing unique actually, religion has been sued for many puroses including politics, etc etc. To serve in the name of God depends on whom do you serve, and to follow the leadership roles would depends on whom are those leaders.
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yes. tts wad i've been trying to say all along.Originally posted by weidev:er... so the conclusion is:
the head pastor of the church can get money from the church as long as he wants to do it, as long as he is not stopped and as long as there is no evidence to stop him... yea? -
haiz... sadded world...Originally posted by devoid05:yes. tts wad i've been trying to say all along.
MIE SHI BA~~~
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Hi all,
Beware of a new coy called CosLab. They are cheaters as well. The top guys (Steve & Kelvin) are from NOP as well. Even the management level are from NOP. THEY ARE OUT TO CHEAT PEOPLE AGAIN.
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praise the Lord, I had never thought bringing in new member to church can make money!Originally posted by Cindyfeh:hmm...
May be ... May be.... we can use really copy the MLM way and build a church and be richer than ....!
The ranks goes like this:
Arch Pastor
Senior Pastor
Junior pastor
Pastor undergrad
Senior Cell group leader
Cell group leader
Assistant cell group leader
Normal member
A person starts as a normal member by contributing 10% of his salary every month. That is an initial membership fee.
Each new paying member he brings in, he will recieve 2 % (out of the 10%). He will be promoted to Assistant CG leader when he recruited 10 members or his total monthly pool (total of what he and his recruits contribution) reaches $X.
Of course other than getting some income from recruiting people, he can also go about selling the music cd and sermons.
For me, my church friend bring their family and friend because they wish they can be touched by the message and be saved into eternal salvation.
As for the 10% monthly contribution, it's obtain by God's people according to the bible, they call it tithe (in any form of offering; financial, service, time etc) as in bring in first fruit of their harvest to God, and it's stated in the bible, that we tithe to Jesus, but in this world the church received on behalf of Him.
My church don't ask new member to tithe openly, whoever wish to tithe will have to register with the church and get more material on the topic before start tithing.
While the service offering (giving after service) is up to the congregation how much they want to give. Most offering and tithe are collected for church expenses, including staff salary (which include pastors also). Pastors have all the right to collect reasonable salary since they are the one giving spiritual food to the congregation. But promoting church member according to how many members they bring in/monthly pool? it's like sales man hitting quota every month! How strange??
As for selling tape/CD.. we put it under the ministry arm instead of personal gain, so what every profit (hardly because they are selling it at almost cost price) goes back to church mantainence. -
Anyway, it's God's money we are talking about, whatever happen between the pastor and the money, is between him and God and God will deal with him if the money is misuse...Originally posted by devoid05:yes. tts wad i've been trying to say all along. -
like wad i said in my earlier posts.Originally posted by ft021:Anyway, it's God's money we are talking about, whatever happen between the pastor and the money, is between him and God and God will deal with him if the money is misuse... -
Regarding the issue of Catholic parish priests, they do rotate every few years.
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btw ,to clarify, spreading the gospels may seems somewhat MLM like in method,depends on argument, but pls do not label churches as money makings scams straightaway...they are not
however, with regards to CHC, even if the whole bloody thing is scam, it still does not resemble mlm (well at least to me) coz, the money donated doesnt go to the people themselves
u can say the one person convert another, and that person convert yet another, but i prefer to call it 'spreading the gospels' -
Good explanation!Originally posted by laurence82:btw ,to clarify, spreading the gospels may seems somewhat MLM like in method,depends on argument, but pls do not label churches as money makings scams straightaway...they are not
however, with regards to CHC, even if the whole bloody thing is scam, it still does not resemble mlm (well at least to me) coz, the money donated doesnt go to the people themselves
u can say the one person convert another, and that person convert yet another, but i prefer to call it 'spreading the gospels'
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lawrence82, i advised you not to speak blindly. although im not a christian, i feel that u're insulting their religion and their faith. so please stop it and have some respect for others. learn to respect others pls
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since when did i speak against the christian faith?
worse, that post which i spoke up for christians is just two posts above ur post..
u didnt ever bother to read and just hantam onli rite?
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Long time since i never vist this forum. Still alot of gossip whether is true or fake. Don't think high society or successful people have time to gossip around. Haha. I love coming in to this forum as able to see alot of comments that people not happy, grumble or being both director and actors here. How true all this can be? Think mature enough people will understand. Why let your fingers do the talking, do direct approach to them! Slap them hard on the face and demand for an explaination. If it's true! No point telling stories or invent new stories.
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church dont force u to donate or brainwash you to donateOriginally posted by shade343:One member brings in 2 members. Those 2 members like the church, then they covince 4 other ppl to come in. they dont get paid for they believe that each member they bring in is a service to god. Thats what I think. Someone correct me If Im wrong.... -
No need to spam topics just to get your message across lar....